The ending we need to seriously break it down

[Lauren]

I am REALLY curious about that. They must be feeling pretty lost -- not because of the ending, or the fan reaction. Because the whole book takes the story in a totally different, and pointless direction. It's not really a cohesive story. How are they going to make a movie series with this?

[Haley]

maybe they will rewrite the book for veronica roth....haha

[Haley]

i mean rewrite the movie, lol

[Lauren]

I really can't see how they do anything but rewrite the whole story. If nothing else, the book was BORING. They spend the whole time sitting around the airport, for pete's sake. Maybe they'll come up with a whole new story for the movie, and then release a novelization tie-in for the movie ... and we can buy that and pretend it's the real Allegiant book!

[Haley]

Lauren wrote: "I really can't see how they do anything but rewrite the whole story. If nothing else, the book was BORING. They spend the whole time sitting around the airport, for pete's sake. Maybe they'll co..."

haha good idea. Allegiant was a big disappointment. Insurgent was my favorite of the three books.

[P.C.]

Melody wrote: "Callie wrote: "I feel that it's very disappointing that Tris died because she was shot. I felt that she was on top of the world because she survived the death serum, when it was guaranteed that it ..."

I am a huge fan of Veronica Roth and all the books. I feel that Tris had to die as well. I agree that if she had lived it would have been "too unbelievable". Yes she survived the death serum, barely, but in the end if she had lived it would have caused another genetic war. She was too powerful. Also, all the books were tragic it kept to the theme of that world she created and it was more realistic. In books everything wraps up in a nice package with a happy ending, but reality doesn't always work that way. I liked the way it ended in a way because it gave the world she created a soul and reality. I hated that Tris died because I felt so bad for Tobias, but in a way she kind of put that on herself. I always saw Tris as self destructive, and I felt bad for Tobias. Caleb should have died because he was the one that betrayed everyone that he loved. It is upsetting that Tris died but that is also the reality of life, nothing ends all wrapped up pretty with a bow.

[Lauren]

Why exactly was Tris so powerful? The death serum is meant to kill anyone, genetically pure or damaged, but she was surviving it ... just because the story said so, because she was always able to resist serums if she really wanted to and so resisting the death serum proves that she really didn't want to die? Great, but WHY is she able to resist all the serums just by sheer force of will? Why is she an anomaly even among the GP? Why was this never addressed or explored, since we're getting all science-y in this book? And why, if David is so bent on studying these people, would he kill her? I don't have a problem with Tris dying, as I've said all over the place here, but the way it was set up and how and why it happened was too stupid.

[P.C.]

I believe it ties back to Divergent, in the first book she was able to manipulate the simulations, just by sheer will. This was not doable by anyone else even Four.

[Lauren]

Being able to resist and manipulate simulations was part of what made people Divergent. All the Divergent were able to do that, and apparently even non-Divergent anomalies like Four could do it too. But why is she also able to withstand the death serum that even the Divergent aren't supposed to survive? Why can she still lie under the strongest truth serum that's supposed to still work on the Divergent? She's different even among Divergent people. Why? She can resist by sheer will unless on some level she wants it to work? Divergence is apparently a scientific thing but she has some kind of psychological power over it that other people don't? How? They never explain that. I'm getting a headache by the Jesus metaphor that Veronica keeps beaning me in the head with.

[L]

Haley wrote: "haha.....i wonder what the people who are making the movies are thinking now"

LMFAO I could just hear the sound of their jaws dropping to the ground now.

[Jeanelle]

At least dying from the death serum would be less stupid than dying from getting shot by some silly scientist. Plus, it would make the death serum actually scary. When she introduced the death serum, she made it seem all scary and with no escape from it. Then Roth just HAD to make it that Tris isn't affected by the serum. I mean, I didn't want Tris to die, but the way she died was pathetic.

[esthermarie]

The point is not how she dies though, the point is that people do die, even the important ones that we're attached to. And there was always the possibility that Tris wouldn't be affected by the serum, whereas a gun will always be able to kill her, no matter how unglamorous. And her death wasn't pathetic. She stopped a bunch of deluded people from erasing the memories of an entire community of people and continuing their experiments. That's pretty heroic, and in keeping with her core of bravery, selflessness, and strength of will.

[Grace]

I hated how Tris had to die at the end but I can see why Veronica had to end it that way. She needed it to happen that way so that Tris proved to herself that she could still be selfless. Kinda like how peeta said he wanted to die as himself in the hunger games Tris died as selfless person that she first was when she left Abnegation or she at least finally got to be that selfless person that she wanted to be. If that makes any sense. I also hate that Uriah had to die but like a few people before me said, Tobias needed that extra motivation to confront his emotions in the end. Tris's death also made things more realistic because not everyone can live in a war and let's be honest here. If Tris didn't give up her life for her brother the Tris in Allegiant wouldn't have been the same as the Tris in the other two books.

[Ashley]

I understood why tris died, but the ending still needed more details tris there would make more scents

[Hannah]

The enter explanation for the factions, the GPs and GDs, the experiments, all of it, was lackluster. My mind had created this special scene that when they finally left the city there'd be this glorious sort of "Ta-da!" type orchestra music and confetti would rain down. Instead it was like half deflated balloons and crickets chirping in the background. Anyway, I totally feel that Tris's death had been hinted at for the first two books. It shows how no one is safe from war, and because of it there can't be a happy ending. It was noble, but I feel like it was sort of unceremonious. I think it was unnecessary, and I feel like it could have been done much more delicately. Like when Tris survives the death serum, it's phenomenal, you think it's going to work out, but no, just as an extra kick in the balls, she gets taken down by FREAKING BULLETS.

[Lauren]

Actually, the entire point of Tris's death, and how it was set up in the other books, was to show what the real meaning of true sacrifice was. By Roth's explanation of Tris's story and the theme, it would appear that her death had nothing whatsoever to do with the setting of the story and the unfairness of war.

[Sylene]

Hannah wrote: "The enter explanation for the factions, the GPs and GDs, the experiments, all of it, was lackluster. My mind had created this special scene that when they finally left the city there'd be this glor..."

Hannah, I totally agree! The whole stupid GD/GP thing felt like a desperate author's attempt to keep you reading, but honestly, I can bluntly say that I didn't care what happened to anyone outside the fence. I would have liked it better if they'd all stayed in their little factions and just developed a new faction for the Divergent, and it was like FREEDOM. The plot outside of the fence...I didn't like it. And I know, right? BULLETS? Have her jump off a cliff or something; BULLETS are just so ANTICLIMATIC! And in some part of me, as a fellow writer, I can understand why she had to die, because the trilogy was all about real sacrifice, but in the HUMAN part of me, I'M DYING INSIDE! Like, I was imagining the whole "we're both broken but we'll still survive, with each other's help" ending, but then...
Wow. Just...wow. I wasn't really happy, although it kind of makes sense. I just felt like...you should never violate that rule, never kill off the main character, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE SPENT 3 BOOKS BUILDING HER CHARACTER UP, unless you like WARN the reader in a prequel or something then go back and build it up so the reader's not wanting to kill the author. And SOME BOOKS can do that - Romeo and Juliet, prime example. But it's been LABELED AS A TRAGEDY - NOBODY WARNED ME ABOUT SCI-FI!!!

[Madeline]

I love this series and its characters so much that I was crushed when Tris dies. I just had to set down the book for a little bit and collect myself. I couldn't believe it. Tris, Divergent. Tris, so amazing and kind and selfless and brave and strong. The series had so much potential, and I was dissapointed by Allegiant. I never thought that this is where the plot would go. It was still a good story, and I love how Veronica writes, but it was a lot duller than the first two. I wish it would have gone in a different direction with a happier and more satisfying outcome.
I did really like Tris's speech about self-sacrifice and all that, though. Her thoughts were really powerful and important at the end.

[Sherri]

I get the sense that everyone is equally disturbed by this book on many levels - from patchy character development, to odd plot choices, to seemingly unnecessary deaths. However, I think it would be shallow or simplistic of us to assume that VR made these choices lightly. I am quite certain that her and her advisors had many discussions about what made the most sense for the story she wanted to tell and why she felt like this was the right ending. Really, we are just voyeurs - experiencing the story she crafted. Wouldn't it have been less powerful if she felt compelled to write something to satisfy the fans? The fact that we are so connected to these characters tell you something about her storytelling gift. It is not a bad thing to cry when reading a book. Recent examples - Fault in your stars and Me Before You. Heck, George Martin kills half the characters in his book. You quickly learn to adjust and simply enjoy the narrative or quit reading. I guess my message is respond as you will to the story, but maybe give the writer a bit of credit. At the very least, you can recommend the first two books to friends.

[Lara]

Popsgrub wrote: "What I hated is that it went
I am brave and will save my bro. YAY
I might die NOO
I take the serum NOO
I survive YAY
Its looking good. Nothing can stop me YAY
Gets shot WTF
Sees mom peticly and st..."

I love the way you broke it down!
I HATED the ending.

[Lara]

Sylene wrote: "I read like 5 posts and have decided that it's necessary that I say something.
I think that Veronica Roth had something with the society.
Did she NEED to make an "outside the fence" area? She could..."

I totally agree! I loved the first book; the second was good, too! But Allegiant ruined it all! My heart is broken, damn it! WTF happened in this book?!?! I understand that Roth wanted to give it a deeper meaning by giving us all a lesson.However, during the process she shuttered my dreams. I was looking forward to this book and it ended up being a disappointment.
In the first book Tris was strong. I looked up to her. In the second book she was weak. In the third one, I could not recognize her anymore. Same with Tobias. He was a strong man in the first and second novels and he became unrecognizable in Allegiant! He became a scared man; not acting like himself. To me, personally, the third book had nothing I enjoyed reading about. It was always depressing. I wish Roth had written an extraordinary, awesome trilogy. This trilogy almost became my favorite until she finished the third book.

[Lila]

Everyone is complaining about the ending, but I loved it. I thought for once, it was unpredictable. Death happens all the time. Sure, I loved Tobias and Tris together, but sadly this is reality. He'll eventually be fine and fall in love again. The author ended it perfectly, and I love the fact that I felt emotionally attached to the series.

[Amy]

These are totally my thoughts as well. I am okay with Tris dying at the end, but I thought the purpose was not worth her death because it is only resetting some of the important people. She should have fought to share the history of GP war with the country instead. And I don't think it is good to reset the memories of people, but it not worth dying for to reset a few other people.

Loredana wrote: "I personally think her death was unnecessary, and it was just a plot point to make the story realistic when it really wasn't needed. I also feel like the whole conflict between the GD's and GP's wa..."

[Ashley]

I have no idea how their gonna put her death in the final movie. It happened so quick, and I can't re-experience that. Do you think they MIGHT keep her alive for the movies sake?

[Jackie]

I totally agree with you guys I cant even think about it without getting a weird feeling in my chest like i cant breathe. I feel weird about Tris friend and Tobias being the only ones left and how she she smiled at him I just hope Tobias dies like an old man with Tris being his only love. I think it's on;y fair enough.

[Katherine]

Okay so everyone keeps saying she died to make it realistic. No, this book is FICTOIN. It has things in it that could br genetically impossible, but a person dying makes it realistic! NO. but i am cleary pissed off by the ending and not simply because Tris died after almost dying about half a million times! but the fact that her dying felt like (even though it made a big impact) that the impact just wasnt big enough. Not for her to die. I put a lot of time into reading those books and i fell in love with Tris and Tobias. The fact that she dies and he is left alone kills me because it does nothing for the book, except make me feel like reading any of it was a waste of time. And people keep saying it was so strong for her to die she is a women and she gave her life and she is a hero. GUESS WHAT Tris already was a hero! In many ways and she did not have to die to prove that point. I just dont understand how you can like that ending.. or stand up for it. As a charater she deserved so much more than what VR gave her. Which is realistic in life, but this is a fictional book it obiviously wasnt wrote to be real or even seem real. Because the only thing real about it was that even normal people can be bad. . I mean please tell me you agree. Did any of you feel any sense of closure with that book because i feel like i ended it with fresh open wounds. Of your going to kill the whole reason the book was even good VR make your reasoning a little better oh and dont have her almost die every chapter. Sorry to rant like this but im so annoyed with VR.

[Susan]

Lauren wrote: "I thought the new GD/GP conflict was the biggest misstep and what contributed to making me feel like my Kindle must have downloaded the wrong book, because the plot just went off a million miles aw..."
I don't agree about the GD/GP conflict. I think it served to show that while Tris and the others escaped (or overthrew) one dystopian world they didn't find a new world that was necessarily better. The struggle continued, just with a different focal point. Once that conflict was put in play, it spelled the end of the Tris/Tobias relationship. While I think Tris would have been able to discount any "difference" between the GDs and the GPs, I don't think Tobias could get over it. He has shown that he was always troubled about his "differences" (when he thought he was Divergent and with his conflicted family situation), and the fact that Tris was genetically perfect would have plagued him. Tris had to die in order to free Tobias from his nagging (if misplaced) feeling of inadequacy. Tobias has learned much from Tris and there is hope for him to be happy someday, but the world he and the others are in now is not appreciably better than what they left. It's just that this time they know more about how society has manipulated them and what to be aware of in the future. If you think about it, Tris is in a much better place.

[Lauren]

The GD/GP conflict was not believable, not properly fleshed out, and made no sense either in its own right or in conjunction with the rest of the story and the more insular world of the factions being revealed as a governmental attempt to fix the GD/GP issue on a genetic level. None of it made any sense as a story, and the ridiculously heavyhanded allegories that Roth shoved into the story through this, the overt moralizing about prejudice and class systems that was so trite and shallow and misguided I just had to laugh, ugh. I was reminded of a stand-up act I heard once where the guy makes fun of "that deluded white person" who pretends to know what a black person goes through. To paraphrase something from a review I read a while back: "Genetic purity" is a phrase no upper middle class white woman should ever write about. All of it made this book feel like a chapter out of a different series; it took too much of a sharp left turn from the themes and messages of the first two books.

And come on now, Tobias being revealed as a "GD" was a plot device contrived to inject conflict between the two of them, to put him on "the other side" of the new and already-contrived GD/GP story so we'd have one of our leads/narrators on either side of the issue, to justify the use of the dual narrator gimmick that, truthfully, was only introduced because the main narrator was going to die before the end of the story. That was the real only reason Tobias's narration was added to the story, but Roth attempted to craft another way to use it as long as she "had" to do it. It didn't work, because the storyline was too contrived just as an excuse to be there.

I agree Tobias learned much from Tris and I'm sure he'll find happiness someday, but I disagree that Tris had to die in order for him to be free of his so-called inadequacy (you say misplaced; I say contrived). That's just not true, and that was not at all what her death meant, for the story, for him, for them, for anything. Her death really had nothing to do with anyone but herself, and this is the truth that Roth herself has explained. It was about Tris's own character "growth," and no one else's.

[Andi]

Lauren, I was just reading your comment about how ridiculous it is that Tris can just somehow magically resist the death serum. I mean, I can buy her being able to manipulate the simulations but there's just no way that I buy her somehow overcoming a poison that's meant to kill you.

Without using like magic or something but I'm pretty sure that's not the explanation Roth was going for here. Guess it doesn't really matter since most of this nonsense was hand-waved anyway.

Also, if book's reason for Tris being able to survive the death serum is her divergence, why the heck did David have to inoculate himself against the death serum then? If we take "divergence" to be "normal" as the book suggests, then David also should have been able to resist the death serum as well.