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Bryan "They call me the Doge" wrote: "I had a hard time with that one. I can't say I got much out of it."
After reading Worstward Ho then reading your reply, I am starting to wonder if "that one" for me might just be read "Beckett".
After reading Worstward Ho then reading your reply, I am starting to wonder if "that one" for me might just be read "Beckett".

Ha! Me too, probably, though I did find some of the stage adaptations interesting. There was a series a few years ago that filmed all of Beckett's plays--the one I remember the best was Waiting for Godot and another one which was just a mouth speaking a monologue. I can't really say that I 'got' them, but I thought I came closer than if I was just reading it on the page.
Luís wrote: "My experience was very personal. With "Waiting for Godot", for me, it was a truly funniest experience. "...."
Waiting for Godot is my favorite of his. I wish it was on the list in place of some of the ones that are.
Waiting for Godot is my favorite of his. I wish it was on the list in place of some of the ones that are.

If on a winter's night a traveler by Italo Calvino - 3 stars - My Review
I apparently didn't note that I finished To the Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf earlier this month. Not an easy read but worth it.
I've just finished Matigari by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o and The Grass Is Singing by Doris Lessing, two novels set in Africa.
I didn't like Matigari as much as I did his The River Between. This was my 1st Lessing and it was excellent.
I've just finished Matigari by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o and The Grass Is Singing by Doris Lessing, two novels set in Africa.
I didn't like Matigari as much as I did his The River Between. This was my 1st Lessing and it was excellent.


Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie - 3 stars - My Review

Pastoralia by George Saunders.
Saunders is well known for his short stories which have won many awards. He was only on the 2006 Boxall list and then was dropped. Interestingly, his debut novel Lincoln in the Bardo was a New York Times bestseller and won the Man Booker prize in 2017.
Saunders is well known for his short stories which have won many awards. He was only on the 2006 Boxall list and then was dropped. Interestingly, his debut novel Lincoln in the Bardo was a New York Times bestseller and won the Man Booker prize in 2017.

Yeah, the one Pynchon I read was strange too. But did you like it?

How this novella ended up on Boxall’s list of books to read before you die, I don’t know. These books make me question my own intelligence- am I just “stupid” and don’t “get it” or is this novella just really horrid? I found the characters extremely unlikable, which likable characters isn’t a prerequisite for a good book, but I couldn't get past their unlikeableness, but I also found them confusing as well. Like I mentioned it's either me and the fact that I thought myself to be more intelligent than I actually am, or it could be that this story really just sucks. Who knows haha. Here’s hoping I can pick a better book to conquer on this list next time...

Finished The Diaries of Jane Somers: The Diary of a Good Neighbor and If The Old Could by Doris Lessing.

weird is a non-sense word. I think that's more than that."
That depends on context, though; weird is also a subgenre, as in, 'weird fiction', so it is already applied without disparagement, to literature.
Meanwhile, I finished The Color Purple by Alice Walker. Absolutely loved it.

Yeah, the one Pynchon I read was strange too. But did you like it?"
Very good question, I'm not quite sure did I like it or not. Some parts made me laugh, but some parts made me just confuse. I do want to read more of him, though. So it wasn't awful.


Vernon God Little by D.B.C. Pierre
What to say -- this is some very dark humor. The first part of the book is narrated by Vernon Little, a 16-year-old student who has witnessed a horrific school shooting. His narration in Part 1 reflects the mental trauma he has suffered and how he is dealing with the event with little help from the adults around him. Part 2, still narrated by Vernon, is much more calm and easier to follow. Though dealing with a very difficult subject, Pierre skewers American culture -- particularly the media's rush to judgment, our obsession with food, media bias, and more. Though I felt like abandoning the book at several points, I kept on and it is an addictive read -- the ending is worth the persistence.
What to say -- this is some very dark humor. The first part of the book is narrated by Vernon Little, a 16-year-old student who has witnessed a horrific school shooting. His narration in Part 1 reflects the mental trauma he has suffered and how he is dealing with the event with little help from the adults around him. Part 2, still narrated by Vernon, is much more calm and easier to follow. Though dealing with a very difficult subject, Pierre skewers American culture -- particularly the media's rush to judgment, our obsession with food, media bias, and more. Though I felt like abandoning the book at several points, I kept on and it is an addictive read -- the ending is worth the persistence.

You did better than me then. I tossed it after the first chapter.

You make some very good points- it very likely just wasn't my cup of tea, though it is always very frustrating to find it difficult to understand the point of a book on this list when the reason it's on the list is that it's so widely regarded/enjoyed/respected. You almost assume that you MUST like everything on the list even though logically you know, especially with how extensive it is, that statistically it's just not possible. I think another important consideration that we must remember, is that a lot of the books were written in different time periods and we must also try to adapt our brain and not compare it and expect it to follow today's standards- that is one consideration that I must continually remind myself of when tackling this list as it's also probably very likely why I have an easier time getting into and reading more of the current releases from the 80s through today. I've lived through those decades and thus have a better understanding of the world in which they were written so to speak...

On the subject of Miss Lonelyhearts, I thought it was the closest thing to Dostoyevsky anyone in America ever got to, or, at least, that I ever read. That doesn't mean a person ought to like it though. That's one thing about a list this big--no one's going to like everything on it. I'd probably vote out at least half of what I've read of it so far.
I just finished Never Mind by Edward St. Aubyn, the first of the Patrick Melrose books. it is not on the list but it will eventually lead me to Mother's Milk. Very dark humour.

On the subject of Miss Lo..."
Very valid points on Miss Lonelyheart, I haven't made my way over to Dostoevsky yet so now I'm curious to see my thoughts when I read some of his...It's easy to assume that since these are books that everyone should read before they die, that we SHOULD like/enjoy them all, but the sheer number of books on the list plus revisions, not to mention all the many different personality types in this world, we must remember that that just isn't going to be the case (as much as it frustrates me haha)

Here's another thought on the "you must read and enjoy and love these 1001 books".
Many of these books were written in languages that are not your own. When you read one of those, you are probably reading a translation and some, if not a lot, of the spirit will be lost in that.
One example is The Devil to Pay in the Backlands vs Grande Sertão: Veredas. I am currently reading it, and while I am enjoying it immensely, I have come to understand that it was added to the list due to it's regard in Brazil and in the colloquial mode and nuisances of the Portuguese in which it was originally written. And that it may not (or may) have been added to the list if it had been written as translated in English. It has been heralded as the "Brazilian Ulysses".
I don't know if there is a translation of Ulysses to Portuguese, but is it possible that it could be translated and yet still keep all that is special in it? I don't know. But if not, I could imagine a Brazilian reading his/her Portuguese edition of Ulysses and wondering why in the heck it was added to the list.
Many of these books were written in languages that are not your own. When you read one of those, you are probably reading a translation and some, if not a lot, of the spirit will be lost in that.
One example is The Devil to Pay in the Backlands vs Grande Sertão: Veredas. I am currently reading it, and while I am enjoying it immensely, I have come to understand that it was added to the list due to it's regard in Brazil and in the colloquial mode and nuisances of the Portuguese in which it was originally written. And that it may not (or may) have been added to the list if it had been written as translated in English. It has been heralded as the "Brazilian Ulysses".
I don't know if there is a translation of Ulysses to Portuguese, but is it possible that it could be translated and yet still keep all that is special in it? I don't know. But if not, I could imagine a Brazilian reading his/her Portuguese edition of Ulysses and wondering why in the heck it was added to the list.

It very obviously has been translated into Portuguese, both European Portuguese and its Brazilian counterpart.
Surely you did not think that Ulysses would not have been translated into Portuguese by now?
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