Martin, George R.R: A Game of Thrones (buddy read revisit) Start Date: December 2, 2013 [A Song of Ice & Fire #1] - revisit Sep 12th, 2015 - revisit May 2017 **REVISIT** June 2018

[✿Claire✿]

Sarah's Questions for Chapter Eddard (12) through Chapter Sansa (15)
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1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's mother. What do you think of this new development? If Wylla is Jon's mother then who was Ashara to Ned? Could it be that he had more than one affair?
I think Robert only suspects that Wylla may be Jon’s mother, perhaps he isn’t Ned’s son but another member of the family’s who he is protecting. And maybe Ashara is a link to them or another daughter he has who stayed with the mother.

2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you?
It doesn’t because I’d suspected she had been treated something like that, however, it may lead to clues to Jon Snow’s parentage. Although it possibly shows the depths his son (? Slightly confused by the relationships, I need to make a family tree!!) Viserys may go to to reach his goals.

3. Ned advises Robert that "no one man should hold both the East and West". Do you think this could be foreshadowing something? Or is it just advice?
I think it’s both a premonition but also very sensible advice, it’s putting a lot of power in the hands of one person, something that usually ends badly.

4. Does it surprise you to find out how Jaime Lannister got his nickname of Kingslayer? Also, what about Ned finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne?
It doesn’t surprise me that a Lannister betrayed a king for his own end, but him sitting on the throne doesn’t bode well for Robert

5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you?
It’s an interesting idea, an alternative punishment which has a similar effect.

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister?
I think it does give the impression of being greedy and power hungry and suggests that, if there was the chance, a Lannister would sit on the throne.

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion?
It’s an interesting bond, one that may be good for both or which may be used for ill, depending on how loyal they are to their respective families. Tyrion may also succeed in driving Jon further apart from his family.

8. Who do you think the man was, who was sent to Bran's room? Who do you think sent him? Why?
I think he was a criminal, given a chance at ‘redemption’ by attempting to murder Bran, probably on behalf of the Queen or Jamie.

9. Many have shown dislike for Theon Grayjoy, how do you feel about him being allowed to hear what Catelyn has to say about the Lannisters?
I’m not sure it’s a good idea, it may be that he will betray the family in the future.

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark?
I think it may be to do with her being a woman and therefore not being ‘in charge’ as that is seen to be a position for a man. It may also be that she isn’t completely comfortable with the cold surroundings she’s found herself living in. Or, she didn’t want Robb to go and gave him a reason that meant he couldn’t leave.

11. Is it significant that the "wilder" children look like Starks and the "tamer" children look like Tullys? Why?
I think that Ned is more carefree while Catelyn has been brought up with a strong sense of what is proper and this is reflected in the natures of their children.

12. What do you think about the fight between Arya and Joffrey? What kind of repercussions do you think will follow?
I don’t think things will go well for Arya, Joffrey and the Queen (and the rest of the Lannisters) will continue to hold a grudge against her and the rest of the Starks.
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Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 16 (Eddard) - Chapter 19 (Jon)
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1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.
I didn’t think that Micah would be killed although I think the Hound probably saw it as sport and fun rather than strictly necessary. I think Nymeria will reappear at a key point, probably to save Arya in the future.

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?
I think it was probably a very premonitious dream, whether he remembers everything and whether he will be believed is a different matter.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place?
I’m not sure if Tyrion is as involved with his sibling’s plans as the other Lannisters are, it’s possible he really was interested in the Wall and its function. Either that or they are interested in what is the other side.

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought?
I wonder if it is a set up, he seems too bitter and full of self preservation to be sending a killer.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home?
I’m not sure if it was a good idea, she has potentially left Winterfell undefended when it needs to be.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?
I think it probably means that it will be getting cold as winter approaches, that the current season of Robert’s reign may be coming under threat and the atmospher is changing. For all of that, people should be prepared for what lies ahead.

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?
I think he may come to regret it for a while as it is harsher than the idealised view he had of it.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon?
I think his advice was good, maybe harsh but what was needed to make Jon see why he has no friends there.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do?
I think he’ll bide his time and cause problems for Jon in the future.

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?
I think he possibly is trying to toughen Jon up with the side effect of separating him from his family.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?
I think he’s going to be involved but he is also a ray of hope, much as the thought of summer is during winter.
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[Steven]

20 (Eddard) to 23 (Daenrys)
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1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt . Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount?
I think it's at least that much in debt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lannisters have emptied it! :P

2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him?
I think he's a very weak king. He got his crown and then lets others do as they please.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably?

He's either terribly bitter with her and playing the Starks because of it, or he's genuinely fond of her still and helping them. Of course, I haven't decided yet which I think is going on.

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request?
Oh yeah, I think they've become complacent.

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war?
I was wondering why he went there. I still am not sure.

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him?

Hmmm, I dunno if he will go after him or not. That's a good theory. I'm trying very hard to focus on the NOW in the story, and less on the WHERE IT'S GOING... just because I have a feeling I'll be wrong with my assumptions or guesses.

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile?
I think Sansa will be as hateful as ever for a while, and then they will all go through some hardship, and Sansa will NEED Arya.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree?
I think it's good of Ned to encourage her to follow her heart, rather than force her into a box she clearly doesn't want to be in.

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command?
I hate her brother. SO MUCH. He is definitely going to stir up more trouble... and I can't wait to see him get what's coming to him.

I have a feeling over the course of the books, Dany will be a big deal.

10. Man, looks like the eggs might just turn viable. Are we going to see dragons? Does this have any significance more with Dany as the one who might "Wake" the dragon? Such an interesting possibility, isn't it?
Definitely.

11. And looks like Dany is pregnant (As an aside, so soon???). What will be the significance of the baby? And with the dragon egg on the other side as well?

I keep telling myself it's a different world... but I struggle with the fact that she is now 14 and pregnant. Harsh world.

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[✿Claire✿]

Vi's Questions for Chapter 20 (Eddard) to Chapter 23 (Daenrys)
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1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt . Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount?
I think that as the money appears to have been handled really badly, it might be more or might be less, but it certainly sounds like it is well and truly in debt.

2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him?
I’ve not got a handle of him yet, he may have been a great man but I think he has become cowardly and afraid of his wife and her family.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably?
Littlefinger may think of Catelyn favourably but it is less likely he thinks of Eddard that way, which may make him dangerous.

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request?
I think Mormont sees things the rest of the people don’t, he knows what it is like, and it appears most people other than the Night Watch (and even them to some extent) have forgotten the terrors behind the wall. His request is sensible but is likely to be ignored

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night watch if in case of war?
Tyrion’s a bit of an enigma, I can’t work out his motivations for doing things, although he does seem to have a rappor with Jon

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him?
I suspect Ben is with the Others or dead and Jon will eventually follow to try and find him, something I think will be important to the story development.

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile?
I think Sansa will never forgive Arya, she idolises Joff too much (I’m not sure why, he seems repulsive to me!) and she’ll blame Arya for not being perfect as she is and therefore causing the death of Lady.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree?
I wasn’t surprised, I think Ned understands that she’s not going to agree to be a ‘proper’ lady and that teaching her defence may be the way to teach her the discipline she needs. I think he also regrets that his father refused to allow his sister to ‘dance’, something which may have led to her death (if she was unable to defend herself).

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command?
I think Dany is going to be brilliant, I wouldn’t be surprised if she tries for the throne herself but she’s finally shown her brother that she’s not a weakling to be pushed around and that he may have made a mistake marrying her off to Drogo. I think her taking control of the last scene may lead to a change in the relationship with her husband, she’s proving she’s the right choice as his Khaleesi.

10. Man, looks like the eggs might just turn viable. Are we going to see dragons? Does this have any significance more with Dany as the one who might "Wake" the dragon? Such an interesting possibility, isn't it?
I think there’s definitely a link between the dragon eggs and her dream, so who knows, it will be an interesting development.

11. And looks like Dany is pregnant (As an aside, so soon???). What will be the significance of the baby? And with the dragon egg on the other side as well?
The baby will be the link between the Khal and Khaleesi but it might also provide her brother with an weak point.

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Yay! I'm up to date, now to try and read the next bit today so I can keep up!! :)

[Steven]

24 (Bran) - 27 (Eddard)
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1) Were you caught up in Old Nan’s story about the last hero? Do you think there are still children of the haunted forest in the far North? How do you think Old Nan’s version of story ends; happy like Bran believes?
I was interested... I wish we could have heard the end of it all the way! I think that the "children" will come back to play a part in the story at some point -- maybe with Jon/Ben's tale.

2) Why do you think Tyrion designed the saddle for Bran? Does his doing so assure you that he had nothing to do with the attempted assignation on Bran?
I dunno. No judgments this early, though I like Tyrion.

3) Why did the direwolves respond to Tyrion with such hostility? Summer was the first to start growling; what is the significance of that? Did this change your mind about Tyrion’s ulterior motives?
That does make me wonder!

4) Any doubt as to which Robert was Jon Arryn was asking for on his death bed? Do you think he was poisoned, and if so, by whom? If it was by Queen Cersei, why did she leave the castle instead of assuring the deed was done and/or no information passed from Lord Arryn to the King Robert?
I think he was poisoned. By the Lannisters. Because he found out that Robert's next heir isn't who everyone thinks it is.

5) What did you make of Sansa & Arya’s dreams of Bran?
I honestly must have missed them having dreams!?
I'll have to look back at this part and see it again.

6) What was your first impression of Samwell Tarly; did it change any after hearing his life story? Did you agree with Jon’s thought that “it took a queer sort of courage to admit to cowardice”? What was the meaning of Jon’s dream of Winterfall?
I felt pity for him. What an awful story. I agree though, for someone to say they are a coward is usually harder than to attempt to pretend not to be.

7) Were you surprised Jon had Ghost partaken in straightening Rast out by leaping onto his chest? “Remember, we know where you sleep.” Impressed he used that variation on Donal Noye's words of advice? How close a bond has been formed between all these youths of the Night’s Guard?
Not in the least. Ghost is part of Jon now! I think a group of the boys has gotten close. Those loyal to the jackass arms-master might not be close with them though :P

8) What will be the consequences of Lord Stark giving up some of his own household guard to serve the Watch?
That could come back to bite him -- he probably needs protection from the devious Lannisters.

9) Who holds a vital piece of the puzzle for Lord Stark: Ser Hugh (formally Lord Arryn’s squire) or Lord Stannis (the king’s brother)? Who is more likely to part with this information?
I think Lord Stannis AND Ser Hugh know things that they need to share.

10) What is the significance of the lineage book Lord Arryn was reading?
To indicate that Arryn had realized that Robert's heir apparent wasn't the true person who should claim the throne next.

11) I can’t write better questions than what we ended with: “What had Jon Arryn wanted with a king’s bastard, and why was it worth his life?” Well, except to ask, which king’s bastard? (I mean which king, Robert?)
See my answer to #10.

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[Teresa]

24 (Bran) - 27 (Eddard)
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1) Were you caught up in Old Nan’s story about the last hero? Do you think there are still children of the haunted forest in the far North? How do you think Old Nan’s version of story ends; happy like Bran believes?
I agree with Steven, I wish we could have heard the ending of this fairy tale. An no, I don’t it will be a happy ending.

2) Why do you think Tyrion designed the saddle for Bran? Does his doing so assure you that he had nothing to do with the attempted assignation on Bran?
So far, he has consistently looked out for misfits, and I think Bran now fits that category. I am thinking more and more that he had nothing to do with the attempt on Bran’s life – he seems to survive with his wits and I think any plot he would devise would not easily lead back to him like the dagger did.

3) Why did the direwolves respond to Tyrion with such hostility? Summer was the first to start growling; what is the significance of that? Did this change your mind about Tyrion’s ulterior motives?
I think they were sensing the hostility of their owners. Yet, they definitely acted as if he were a threat.

4) Any doubt as to which Robert was Jon Arryn was asking for on his death bed? Do you think he was poisoned, and if so, by whom? If it was by Queen Cersei, why did she leave the castle instead of assuring the deed was done and/or no information passed from Lord Arryn to the King Robert?
Definitely poisoned by the Lannisters to remove his influence from the King. Although, I don’t think it helped them to have Ned instead. If Jon Arryn had an inkling about the danger to the King, I think he is the one he asked for because it would be in his nature to pass on the warning. It is strange that the Queen allowed this meeting to take place. Perhaps she was trying to distance herself from the whole thing?

5) What did you make of Sansa & Arya’s dreams of Bran?
Steven – I missed this too! I am listening to parts of this as books on tape and perhaps I got distracted? I will have to go back in the book as well…

6) What was your first impression of Samwell Tarly; did it change any after hearing his life story? Did you agree with Jon’s thought that “it took a queer sort of courage to admit to cowardice”? What was the meaning of Jon’s dream of Winterfall?
I suspect that he will be a key to Jon’s future. He will become the catalyst to Jon building a band of brothers with the other boys sent to serve in the Night Watch. And, I suspect he will end up not being such a coward after all.

7) Were you surprised Jon had Ghost partaken in straightening Rast out by leaping onto his chest? “Remember, we know where you sleep.” Impressed he used that variation on Donal Noye's words of advice? How close a bond has been formed between all these youths of the Night’s Guard?
I think it is a sign that Jon will now act more as himself. He has definitely matured and learned and, as above, I think he will be the leader that makes this band of boys act as brothers.

8) What will be the consequences of Lord Stark giving up some of his own household guard to serve the Watch?
It leave his more vulnerable now, but may pay off when whatever is coming from the North happens.

9) Who holds a vital piece of the puzzle for Lord Stark: Ser Hugh (formally Lord Arryn’s squire) or Lord Stannis (the king’s brother)? Who is more likely to part with this information?
I think they both likely have information, as well as Robert himself. Seems like Lord Stannis will be the best source because he can protect himself. If the squire left the service and protection of the Arryn’s he will be less likely to want to talk.

10) What is the significance of the lineage book Lord Arryn was reading?
There is clearly some question as to lineage. Perhaps the book notes another Targaryen heir?

11) I can’t write better questions than what we ended with: “What had Jon Arryn wanted with a king’s bastard, and why was it worth his life?” Well, except to ask, which king’s bastard? (I mean which king, Robert?)
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[Steven]

28 (Catelyn) - 31 (Tyrion)
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1. What did you think of Catelyn this time around? Do you think she did the right thing or should she have talked to Tyrion before having him taken into custody?
Still don't like her. I'm biased against her now. Gonna take a lot for me to like her. Well, she's so far been unconcerned with "the right thing" so not really surprised she didn't consider talking to him first.

2. Do you believe Tyrion about never betting against his family? Did your opinion of him change? Do you believe him?
Yes, his family is wily and deceitful and good at the game. I think he really didn't have anything to do with Bran's attempted assassination.

3. Did what Tyrion say make you think less of Littlefinger?
No, I had already assumed this about Littlefinger as it was. Of course, I'm assuming pretty much everyone has ulterior motives at this point, other than the children... let me rephrase that... the Stark children.

4. Sansa looks like Catelyn did when she was younger. She was receiving a lot of attention. Do you think Littlefinger would ever do anything to her? His attention seemed a little creepy to me. Anyone else think so too?

His attention weirded me out as well. He's a creeper.

5. Did you think Prince Joeffrey would escort Sansa to her room? Do you think her opinion of him changed any because he didn't?

No. He is only part of the Lannisters' plans, and his relationship with Sansa is part of it as well. He probably IS jealous of the pretty knight guy (Loras? Can't remember his exact name off the top of my head) just because Sansa is betrothed to him and is HIS, not because he wants her.

6. Why do you think the Queen was so upset? Is it because she likes to be the center of attention? Started picturing Snow White's step mother. I got a "Mirror, Mirror on the wall...." vibe.

I think the queen is manipulative.

7. Did you get a little nervous about Sansa being alone with the Hound?

I did! But it turned out, he was teaching her a valuable lesson about appearances and realistic views on life, as well as about making assumptions about people's roles, etc. I think they'll end up having a bond of sorts.

8. What did you think of The Hound's story about Ser Gregor?

Gregor appears to be a wild and crazy guy.

9. Did you suspect the young knight that died would be the one Eddard wished to speak to?
I didn't realize that was who died at first, but I am not surprised. Silence is easiest to gain with death -- guaranteed no talkie.

10. If Littlefinger is lying do you think Eddard's in more trouble than you previously thought?
Yes, I do. But I've thought he was in too deep since the moment he agreed to go... honestly, since the King showed up at Winterfall and the direwolf symbolism.

11. Varys' information was interesting. What do you think Ned will do with the information? Sounds like someone may be trying to kill the King. Anyone else wonder why after the King spilled his wine they were so insistent he have more? Could someone be trying to poison him or am I just getting a little wild with my thoughts?
I'm wary of everyone now. Seriously, I trust very few people's motives.

12. Do you think Catelyn is more likely to listen to Tyrion since he saved her?
Perhaps. You'd think so... but we're talking about Catelyn here. :P

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[Renee]

Chapter 24 (Bran) - Chapter 27 (Eddard)

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1) Were you caught up in Old Nan’s story about the last hero? Do you think there are still children of the haunted forest in the far North? How do you think Old Nan’s version of story ends; happy like Bran believes?
That was a scary story, I wanted to know what happened. I'd like to think the children of the forrest saved him. I think the children of the forest are still around in the far north.


2) Why do you think Tyrion designed the saddle for Bran? Does his doing so assure you that he had nothing to do with the attempted assignation on Bran?
Tyrion is good with his mind, and that was something he could do to help Bran, as he had promised Jon he would. He said he has a soft spot for cripples and bastards. Tyrion doesn't know that he is a suspect or that they think Bran's fall wasn't an accident or that his dagger was found, so he wouldn't be trying to cover up anything.

3) Why did the direwolves respond to Tyrion with such hostility? Summer was the first to start growling; what is the significance of that? Did this change your mind about Tyrion’s ulterior motives?
The wolves would have sensed the tension in the room and Summer is very protective of Bran. I don't know what Tyrions motives are, I don't trust him, though I do like his character.

4) Any doubt as to which Robert was Jon Arryn was asking for on his death bed? Do you think he was poisoned, and if so, by whom? If it was by Queen Cersei, why did she leave the castle instead of assuring the deed was done and/or no information passed from Lord Arryn to the King Robert?
I assumed he was asking for the King to tell him what he has found, but I don't know if he told him the truth. Maybe someone else did the poisoning to protect Cersei.

5) What did you make of Sansa & Arya’s dreams of Bran?
I missed this bit to. Teresa, I was listening to an audiobook too and get distracted sometimes.

6) What was your first impression of Samwell Tarly; did it change any after hearing his life story? Did you agree with Jon’s thought that “it took a queer sort of courage to admit to cowardice”? What was the meaning of Jon’s dream of Winterfall?
Feel more sorry for Samwell after hearing his story. It's true, most cowards are too cowardly to admit to cowardice. Like Tyrion's advice to Jon, Samwell has taken on the label of coward so no one else can hurt him with it.

7) Were you surprised Jon had Ghost partaken in straightening Rast out by leaping onto his chest? “Remember, we know where you sleep.” Impressed he used that variation on Donal Noye's words of advice? How close a bond has been formed between all these youths of the Night’s Guard?
Not surprised, He tried all other methods of manipulation first, then turned to a bigger threat. You have to be tough on the wall and Jon seems to be developing his leadership skills.

8) What will be the consequences of Lord Stark giving up some of his own household guard to serve the Watch?
Less men to protect him if something were to happen, which is more likely if the people involved realise he is poking around into how Jon Arryn died.

9) Who holds a vital piece of the puzzle for Lord Stark: Ser Hugh (formally Lord Arryn’s squire) or Lord Stannis (the king’s brother)? Who is more likely to part with this information?
I think they both do. They will probably find the knight first as a tourney is about to begin and Lord Stannis is away.

10) What is the significance of the lineage book Lord Arryn was reading?
It will have some information about the leneage to the throne ( I've read this before and I know what it reveales, but I won't say)

11) I can’t write better questions than what we ended with: “What had Jon Arryn wanted with a king’s bastard, and why was it worth his life?” Well, except to ask, which king’s bastard? (I mean which king, Robert?)
See question 10.
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[Lisa Kay]

@ Kimberly

CH 24 – 27 (Qs 1-3 only)

#1 - I like your comparison to Old Nan’s stories (view spoiler)[and the Brothers Grimm. (hide spoiler)]

#2 - Wise woman, you.

[Lisa Kay]

@ ✿Claire✿

Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)

#4 - True, it does show that and well as Jaime's (view spoiler)[passion and obsession for his twin. (hide spoiler)]

#9 - Ah!

[Lisa Kay]

@ Steven

24 (Bran) - 27 (Eddard)

#2 - Who are your favorite characters so far?

#5 - There are a lot of dreams in this series. We eventually started marking them.

#7 - Oh, he is a jackass, isn't he?

[Lisa Kay]

@ Teresa

24 (Bran) - 27 (Eddard)

#2 - (view spoiler)[Good point about the "misfit" label. (hide spoiler)]

#10 - Wooo. Nice.

#11 - I think they are, to some extent. They are just a ways away.

[Lisa Kay]

@ Renee

24 (Bran) - 27 (Eddard)

#2 - Good point, unless he's thinking ahead, which is is prone to do.

#6 - It's true, most cowards are too cowardly to admit to cowardice. - Yes, I liked that, too. There are a lot of nice quotes in these books.

[Lisa]

Argh- Due to illness and work I was a little behind with reading and posting, but now I am back. I decided to just start with what was for today since it was stressing me out to do the rest. Hopefully that is ok. I must say that I am really enjoying this book and am definitely drawn in. I was worried having watched season 1 and 2 of the HBO series I would know too much. Sometimes that is true, like with Bran's fall and what Lord Arryn was finding out, but now that I am further into the book I find myself getting into the suspense and intrigue and excited to read more to find out what happens.

Chapter 24 (Bran) - Chapter 27 (Eddard)
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1) Were you caught up in Old Nan’s story about the last hero? Do you think there are still children of the haunted forest in the far North? How do you think Old Nan’s version of story ends; happy like Bran believes?
Old Nan’s story was getting interesting, especially since the land north of the wall is so mysterious and dangerous. We know from the very beginning that something evil is happening up there and people are going missing/being killed. But who are these evil beings and how did they come to be? Whether the story ends happy… I don’t know. I sort of think of the children as being the predecessors to the people south of the wall… or maybe they became the people that live north of the wall that are not the Others.

2) Why do you think Tyrion designed the saddle for Bran? Does his doing so assure you that he had nothing to do with the attempted assignation on Bran?
I think that Tyrion designed the saddle because Jon asked him to speak to his brother. I do not know if this assures me that this action makes me think he had nothing to do with the attempted assassination of Bran. On the contrary, it could have been that he was pressured by Jamie, who was questioning his loyalty, to arrange the assassination attempt. The attempt failed though and perhaps now Tyrion feels awful and guilty about it and is trying to make things right. Or, since Bran survived perhaps Tyrion has some new found respect and is starting to think that these Starks have more power and play in the future than his evil brother and sister.

3) Why did the direwolves respond to Tyrion with such hostility? Summer was the first to start growling; what is the significance of that? Did this change your mind about Tyrion’s ulterior motives?
This did make me question Tyrion’s motives. I don’t know why but I want Tyrion to be good and not such a bad guy. Maybe because he seems to have been mistreated much of his life and I like to root for underdogs. Or maybe I am not liking Jamie or Cersei at all and so one Lannister has to not be bad… Animals do however seem to know the truth about a person’s character and motives better than humans do. Then there is the fact that Tyrion is a Lannister, and perhaps the direwolves know that the Lannisters are not good for the Starks. I can’t wait to read the rest of the book, and the next books, to find out where Tyrion goes.

4) Any doubt as to which Robert was Jon Arryn was asking for on his death bed? Do you think he was poisoned, and if so, by whom? If it was by Queen Cersei, why did she leave the castle instead of assuring the deed was done and/or no information passed from Lord Arryn to the King Robert?
I was very much thinking that Jon Arryn was asking for King Robert on his death bed, but then it did not seem that he passed on any information to the King. Unless he was too far gone by the time the king came and so while he was trying to tell the king that he knew about his other women and the children, the King was instead taking this information as more of a reminiscing of past times of fun with the King going to brothels and bedding all sorts of women and running about the town. I do think that Lord Arryn was murdered, poison seems the most logical by the way he died… but who did it I am not sure. Sure, Cersei could be behind it, getting some servant to deliver the poison. I think she probably left the castle to put as much space between her and the deed as possible to erase any suspicion. Hmmm… seems kind of like when Bran was almost assassinated.

5) What did you make of Sansa & Arya’s dreams of Bran?
I was just thinking that they were the dreams of children, sweet and hopeful.

6) What was your first impression of Samwell Tarly; did it change any after hearing his life story? Did you agree with Jon’s thought that “it took a queer sort of courage to admit to cowardice”? What was the meaning of Jon’s dream of Winterfall?
My first impression of Samwell was that he was not going to last long on the Wall. I was also just not impressed by how much he was crying and sniveling, but then I have to remember that these are 14-15 year old boys that are now in some cold, cruel place and far from the comforts and warmth of their home. His life story was interesting and it did make me have a little more respect for him. Growing up he knew who he was and what he liked and didn’t like, but unfortunately it did not fit with what his father wanted him to be. He never tried to be someone he wasn’t, he knew he liked music and hated killing. It also just tears at you to have a parent be so cruel to their child just because they are ‘different’.
I do agree with Jon that it takes some courage to admit to being a coward. So many times people that are cowardly act out with fear and hate becoming bullies or just weird and awful people. Samwell admitted that he knew he was cowardly despite how he might get teased or punished, especially since the culture in this book is for boys/men to be tough and wield swords and want to fight in battles (makes me think of Arya asking he father if someday she could be councilor or build castles…)

7) Were you surprised Jon had Ghost partaken in straightening Rast out by leaping onto his chest? “Remember, we know where you sleep.” Impressed he used that variation on Donal Noye's words of advice? How close a bond has been formed between all these youths of the Night’s Guard?
Wow, these boys have become tight. It makes me happy since it seems that the Night’s Guard is weakening and that perhaps some of it is less camaraderie. I also think it will increase their chances of survival if they are ever out on the other side of the wall. In the very beginning those three men on patrol north of the Wall did not seem very close, or even have much respect for each other. I don’t know if they would have survived had they had respect and communication, but I am sure it would not have hurt. I was not surprised Jon used Ghost to help straighten Rast out. We found out earlier that many of the other boys were afraid of the direwolf, and Ghost is such a close friend and extension of Jon that it makes sense he would be part of the group.

8) What will be the consequences of Lord Stark giving up some of his own household guard to serve the Watch?
I know it won’t be good for the Starks. It will perhaps make the others on the Council and maybe even the King think more highly of him since he is helping out in a time of need, but I worry that the Starks might actually need those guards. Also, where will the guards’ true alliance be? They are for Ned Stark, but they are serving the King and protecting King’s Landing…

9) Who holds a vital piece of the puzzle for Lord Stark: Ser Hugh (formally Lord Arryn’s squire) or Lord Stannis (the king’s brother)? Who is more likely to part with this information?
Argh. I am not sure who will have the most information. Having read some ahead I think that Ser Hugh had some good information as he was killed at the Tourney… but then again the Hound did allude to the fact that his brother, the Mountain, is ruthless and most definitely not knightly (so maybe he just saw a weakness and could not help but kill the poor squire). I think that Stannis will have some information, even if it is just by being the King’s blood (genetics).

10) What is the significance of the lineage book Lord Arryn was reading?
Since I have seen the first season of the HBO series, I can’t answer these next two questions pretending I don’t know what happens. :(

11) I can’t write better questions than what we ended with: “What had Jon Arryn wanted with a king’s bastard, and why was it worth his life?” Well, except to ask, which king’s bastard? (I mean which king, Robert?)
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[Lisa Kay]

@ Lisa

24 (Bran) - 27 (Eddard)

#2 - Ah! Interesting thought process.

#3 - With regards to the direwolves (view spoiler)[and the Lannisters, that is what I thought (hide spoiler)].

#7 - Yes, I liked the part where (view spoiler)[Jon used Ghost to help straighten Rast out. (hide spoiler)]

[Steven]

Hmmmm... I like Daenerys, Bran, Arya, Jon, Eddard, and Tyrion.

I don't care much for Catelyn or the other Lannisters, Sansa, the Hound, Littlefinger, and Daenerys' brother, and the Spider... Though Sansa and the Hound bonding could make me like them a little bit if done right. Perhaps he will be her new direwolf? Lol

The rest, so far, I'm ambivalent towards.

I love the direwolves especially!

[Lisa]

Here is the second part since I am apparently a loquacious person.

Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 28 (Catelyn) - Chapter 31 (Tyrion)
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1. What did you think of Catelyn this time around? Do you think she did the right thing or should she have talked to Tyrion before having him taken into custody?
I think she was a little rash in her actions, and I do think she should have talked to Tyrion first. But, then again she is a mother and through the initial chapters it does seem that Bran is a favorite of hers. What mother truly thinks rationally when their child was put into such danger? Ser Rodrick was also quite wary of anyone knowing they were not at Winterfell and perhaps Catelyn also thought to take Tyrion into custody so that he could not go informing others that they were on the King’s Road.

2. Do you believe Tyrion about never betting against his family? Did your opinion of him change? Do you believe him?
I do believe him about never betting against his family, just because I think he knows how tenacious they are and how they will do anything to get what they want. I still hold out hope that he is not that bad of a guy.

3. Did what Tyrion say make you think less of Littlefinger?
Not really, but I didn't have a very high opinion of Littlefinger going into this chapter. The icky way he was with Sansa, the tales of when he wanted to have Catelyn's hand and what happened, and just the way he is always described with his pointy little beard- just seems evil.

4. Sansa looks like Catelyn did when she was younger. She was receiving a lot of attention. Do you think Littlefinger would ever do anything to her? His attention seemed a little creepy to me. Anyone else think so too?
His attention was really creepy. We know that Littlefinger has a brothel, so he might make some more advances that push the limits, but then again I feel he is just a like a creepy uncle that you don’t really like but thankfully never does anything truly bad.

5. Did you think Prince Joeffrey would escort Sansa to her room? Do you think her opinion of him changed any because he didn't?
At first I was thinking that the Prince would escort Sansa to her room, perhaps be a little gentlemanly. But then he was himself and so my opinion of him as a sniveling little weasel was strengthened. It also makes me think that he was somewhat forced to be nice to her and pay her all that attention at the banquet- perhaps his mother put him up to it after Sansa received that rose.

6. Why do you think the Queen was so upset? Is it because she likes to be the center of attention? Started picturing Snow White's step mother. I got a "Mirror, Mirror on the wall...." vibe.
I feel I missed something... or the queen always seems upset so I kind of dismissed it.

7. Did you get a little nervous about Sansa being along with the Hound?
I was a little nervous at first, but then again I didn’t think he would actually hurt her as that would jeopardize his job.

8. What did you think of The Hound's story about Ser Gregor?
Umm… scary! It also seems a little foreboding, like perhaps Ser Gregor will do another horrendous thing in the future, perhaps even to one of the Starks.

9. Did you suspect the young knight that died would be the one Eddard wished to speak to?
Not at first, no.

10. If Littlefinger is lying do you think Eddard's in more trouble than you previously thought?
Yes, I think that Eddard is in great trouble in King’s Landing. I don’t know who he can trust. Between Cersei and all the Lannisters in the city, Varys, Littlefinger…. So many people that could be watching him and waiting to make their move.

11. Varys' information was interesting. What do you think Ned will do with the information? Sounds like someone may be trying to kill the King. Anyone else wonder why after the King spilled his wine they were so insistent he have more? Could someone be trying to poison him or am I just getting a little wild with my thoughts?
Hmm, so far I am not thinking that he is going to be poisoned. I was thinking that trying to give him more wine was just to make him more incensed to fight in the Tourney. The more drunk they could get him the easier it would be to make sure that he would get stubborn and really demand to be allowed to fight. Also, if he were hung over the next day during the fight, who could say that he would have a good chance of winning or fending off an attack.

12. Do you think Catelyn is more likely to listen to Tyrion since he saved her?
I hope so. I still don’t think that Tyrion was really behind the attack on Bran. I also think that Tyrion has a lot of information about his brother and sister and perhaps other dealings in Kings Landing that could benefit Catelyn and Eddard.
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[Lisa Kay]

Steven wrote: "I love the direwolves especially!"

Yes, they are why I picked up the book.

[CassieV]

Sigh...my book is on hold at the library so I can't renew it :(. Guess I'll have to catch up with you guys once I can get my hands on another copy. Grrrr! These books are just too popular, lol!

[Amanda]

Chapter 24 (Bran) - Chapter 27 (Eddard)

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1) Were you caught up in Old Nan’s story about the last hero? Do you think there are still children of the haunted forest in the far North? How do you think Old Nan’s version of story ends; happy like Bran believes?
I think there could be any manner of things in the haunted forest. Her story probably wouldn't have ended happily.

2) Why do you think Tyrion designed the saddle for Bran? Does his doing so assure you that he had nothing to do with the attempted assignation on Bran?
I think he feels bad for Bran and also connects with him because he is now a misfit like Tyrion. I think he also knows that his brother and sister had a hand in his injury and he was trying to make up for it somehow.

3) Why did the direwolves respond to Tyrion with such hostility? Summer was the first to start growling; what is the significance of that? Did this change your mind about Tyrion’s ulterior motives?
I'm not sure....they must know something. But they didn't react that way in the days before Tyrion left Winterfell, only when he returned from the wall.

4) Any doubt as to which Robert was Jon Arryn was asking for on his death bed? Do you think he was poisoned, and if so, by whom? If it was by Queen Cersei, why did she leave the castle instead of assuring the deed was done and/or no information passed from Lord Arryn to the King Robert?
Probably the king, to let him know what he knows. Maybe Cersei wanted to be away from the castle in case anyone should wonder if she had a hand in it?

5) What did you make of Sansa & Arya’s dreams of Bran? I think it is interesting that suddenly the Stark children are experiencing these type of dreams/visions.

6) What was your first impression of Samwell Tarly; did it change any after hearing his life story? Did you agree with Jon’s thought that “it took a queer sort of courage to admit to cowardice”? What was the meaning of Jon’s dream of Winterfell? I liked Sam and I agreed with Jon's thought about his 'cowardice'. I think Sam will end up being a good friend to Jon and a level head.

7) Were you surprised Jon had Ghost partaken in straightening Rast out by leaping onto his chest? “Remember, we know where you sleep.” Impressed he used that variation on Donal Noye's words of advice? How close a bond has been formed between all these youths of the Night’s Guard?
I wasn't surprised. He and Ghost are much closer than man and wolf, so he would definitely want Ghost there with him. Also, I'm not sure Rast would have been quite as frightened if it was only Jon there. The youths of the Night Watch have grown a lot closer. They are very much like the brothers the Night Watch has always said they'd be.

8) What will be the consequences of Lord Stark giving up some of his own household guard to serve the Watch?
It wasn't very wise. Now he has less men to protect himself and his household.

9) Who holds a vital piece of the puzzle for Lord Stark: Ser Hugh (formally Lord Arryn’s squire) or Lord Stannis (the king’s brother)? Who is more likely to part with this information?
I think Lord Stannis because he was there with Jon Arryn when he had been making his inquiries. But I think Ser Hugh might have been more likely to part with the info.

10) What is the significance of the lineage book Lord Arryn was reading?
We all know Robert wasn't the only man Cersei was having sex with...

11) I can’t write better questions than what we ended with: “What had Jon Arryn wanted with a king’s bastard, and why was it worth his life?” Well, except to ask, which king’s bastard? (I mean which king, Robert?)
I think Robert's bastard will play a big part in what it to come because of Cersei and her aforementioned infidelity.
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Chapter 28 (Catelyn) - Chapter 31 (Tyrion)
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1. What did you think of Catelyn this time around? Do you think she did the right thing or should she have talked to Tyrion before having him taken into custody?
She should have talked to him, but I don't think she was thinking clearly. I still don't think much of her, though I understand she is trying to do what she thinks is best. But she just woke up the lions.

2. Do you believe Tyrion about never betting against his family? Did your opinion of him change? Do you believe him?
Yes, I think I believe him. And I can understand why. They will do anything to win and he knows it. I think he is just smart to realize that.

3. Did what Tyrion say make you think less of Littlefinger?
That would be impossible, as I think Littlefinger is the lowest of the low. But it made me glad that someone told Catelyn.

4. Sansa looks like Catelyn did when she was younger. She was receiving a lot of attention. Do you think Littlefinger would ever do anything to her? His attention seemed a little creepy to me. Anyone else think so too?
Yes, very creepy. I think she needs to watch out, or Littlefinger will twist things around until he can have her. I think he looks at her and sees her mother, but Sansa is in an awkward position and doesn't have the protection her mother had.

5. Did you think Prince Joeffrey would escort Sansa to her room? Do you think her opinion of him changed any because he didn't?
I thought he would because I think the only reason he was paying her so much attention was because the Knight of Flowers had been drawing her interest. So I thought he would take her to her room to continue the gallant act.

6. Why do you think the Queen was so upset? Is it because she likes to be the center of attention? Started picturing Snow White's step mother. I got a "Mirror, Mirror on the wall...." vibe. I don't know. She certainly seems to like attention, but I don't think she likes to appear anything less than under control.

7. Did you get a little nervous about Sansa being along with the Hound?
I did get nervous at first, but I think the Hound has his own sort of code of conduct.

8. What did you think of The Hound's story about Ser Gregor?
Poor guy. No wonder he is so angry all of the time. And to be disfigured and reviled for life because he was a child who dared to take his brother's toy...so very sad. I find it curious that he was telling Sansa, though.

9. Did you suspect the young knight that died would be the one Eddard wished to speak to?
No, not until he was told.

10. If Littlefinger is lying do you think Eddard's in more trouble than you previously thought?
Oh yes, very much in trouble. Why would he trust Littlefinger? Has he learned nothing while in King's Landing? Ugh.

11. Varys' information was interesting. What do you think Ned will do with the information? Sounds like someone may be trying to kill the King. Anyone else wonder why after the King spilled his wine they were so insistent he have more? Could someone be trying to poison him or am I just getting a little wild with my thoughts?
I think he keeps everything too close to his chest. He is taking too long to tell Robert, and he'll pay for it. Either trying to poison him, or trying to keep him drunk and off his guard.

12. Do you think Catelyn is more likely to listen to Tyrion since he saved her?
You would think so, but she doesn't seem to be very good at listening. Hopefully she'll start to think a little harder about her accusations now.
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[Teresa]

Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 28 (Catelyn) - Chapter 31 (Tyrion)

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1. What did you think of Catelyn this time around? Do you think she did the right thing or should she have talked to Tyrion before having him taken into custody?
I think she jumped in too quickly, but she had to make a quick decision, so I don’t know if I would have done better. She was at least clever in how she did it.

2. Do you believe Tyrion about never betting against his family? Did your opinion of him change? Do you believe him?
This actually comports with my thoughts of him. I have suspected he would not go against his family all along, although it made me worried this is what pit him against Bran. I do believe him.

3. Did what Tyrion say make you think less of Littlefinger?
Somehow, I had not suspected that Littlefinger put this particular plot into motion, but now I very much suspect he is working with the queen – although just as likely to betray her for his own benefit too. Seems to enjoy the politics of the whole thing.

4. Sansa looks like Catelyn did when she was younger. She was receiving a lot of attention. Do you think Littlefinger would ever do anything to her? His attention seemed a little creepy to me. Anyone else think so too?
Had not picked up on this, but I think Sansa may find herself in the center of much intrigue.

5. Did you think Prince Joeffrey would escort Sansa to her room? Do you think her opinion of him changed any because he didn't?
I did, although I thought he may try to take advantage of her when he did. I would hope that her opinion of him would change, but she should have changed her opinion already, so who knows. At least it change of the Hound.

6. Why do you think the Queen was so upset? Is it because she likes to be the center of attention? Started picturing Snow White's step mother. I got a "Mirror, Mirror on the wall...." vibe.


7. Did you get a little nervous about Sansa being along with the Hound?
I did at first as he seems to hold he in particular contempt.

8. What did you think of The Hound's story about Ser Gregor?
Definitely changed my opinion of him.

9. Did you suspect the young knight that died would be the one Eddard wished to speak to?
Did not see that coming, though I probably should by now! Makes Lord

10. If Littlefinger is lying do you think Eddard's in more trouble than you previously thought?
If Littlefinger is working with the Queen, then it is best Ned not listen to him and he is probably in danger. However, I still think Littlefinger would play both sides, and Ned is already suspicious of him, so it could turn out ok.

11. Varys' information was interesting. What do you think Ned will do with the information? Sounds like someone may be trying to kill the King. Anyone else wonder why after the King spilled his wine they were so insistent he have more? Could someone be trying to poison him or am I just getting a little wild with my thoughts?
I am not sure there are “wild thoughts” that can surpass Martin’s. I think there will ultimately be an attempt to kill the king, if this was not one yet.

12. Do you think Catelyn is more likely to listen to Tyrion since he saved her?
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[Lisa Kay]

@ Amanda

24 (Bran) - 27 (Eddard)

#2 - Really!?

#3 - I'm trying to remember if I noticed this back when I first read it.

#10 - Very true!

#5 - Very interesting!

[✿Claire✿]

Lisa Kay wrote: "@ ✿Claire✿

Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)

#4 - True, it does show that and well as Jaime's [spoilers removed]"

Just a bit (about the spoiler!!)

[Vicky]

Finally got some reading done, this month has been crazy busy. I'm still a little behind, but I'm catching up fast! :) I'm skipping a few questions since I'm ahead of things and have some information that makes earlier questions irrelevant.

Prologue through Chapter 3(Daenerys)
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1. Many fantasy stories have a "medieval" feel. They incorporate elements that seem or are very fitting to the medieval time period. Why do you think authors do this?

I think it has to do with both the magical romanticism and the barbaric feudality of the medieval time. Especially for an epic fantasy, I think the mysticism of the medieval period is really a necessity - putting magic in a more advanced/civilized/present day setting turns it into a whole different monster (not that I don't love a good urban fantasy, but they are very different things!). The feudal setting with clans and power struggles - especially at the level that Game of Thrones employs these things - would be difficult to translate to a more advanced time.

2. Tolkien was asked many times how WWII affected his writing of The Lord of the Rings. Was it allegorical? Tolkien always insisted that it wasn't. That being said, does Martin "mean" anything by setting the North vs. the South? Those things obviously "mean" something to us- the Civil War, North and South Korea, Vikings, etc.

I don't really see Game of Thrones being the North vs. the South. I think there are more than two players in this game and I don't necessarily feel as though the Starks - thous isolated - are devoid of friends in the Southern families.

3. For some reason, many epics start with an execution (or perhaps a death/murder). What is the author's purpose in doing that?

I think it's different for every author/book. In GoT it seems like a good way to give us some insight into the honor that Ned holds himself to and how hands on he is as a lord, and I think it sets up some interesting dichotomy when we find out that Robert Baratheon is more of a hands-off type of king.

4. Does the direwolf, and her pups, appearance foreshadow anything? What do you make of the pups numbering the exact amount of Stark children?

Most definitely foreshadowing and I think it's definitely significant that each Stark child gets a direwolf.

5. The orphan is a powerful literary symbol. Especially historically where one's birth determined career, marriage, etc. Orphans are free to, sort of, create their own destiny. What, if anything, will Dany (Daenerys) choose to do to break with her "destiny"?

I don't think Dany is a typical orphan. While orphaned by her parents she is still very much being controlled by her brother, I think she will have to break those ties before she can choose her own path in the world.
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4(Eddard) - 7(Arya)
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1. We now know what was so significant about how the direwolf was killed. The fact the antler was the means of death suggests the King, whose symbol is an antler, must somehow cause the death of Eddard (aka Ned) leaving his children orphans. The question is should this be seen as a warning as to what could happen or a prophecy of what is to come? What do you think? Knowing what could happen can the outcome be changed?

This is definitely an omen, but I'm not sure if it's avoidable or unavoidable. I also wonder if the antler specifically means the King or if it means someone of house Baratheon (Cersei, for instance).

2. Knowing how close the King and Ned were do you think Catelyn was right to encourage her husband to become the King's Hand?

I think she makes valid points in her encouragement. There are definitely pros and cons to taking the position - but I think that it was the right decision to become the Hand.

3. Do you think Jon Snow's jealousy of his siblings tureborn siblings will cause trouble in the future?

I don't think Jon is jealous of his siblings. I think he, for the most part, has a solid relationship with them.

4. Were you surprised that Catelyn would ask that Jon either go with her husband or become one of the brother's of the Night's Watch?

Not really. I think she has tolerated Jon's presence for Ned's sake and I don't think it's strictly fair to leave a reminder of his unfaithfulness behind to taunt her when she will already be in an emotional state due to the loss of her daughters.

5. Wall are usually put up for a reason. Any ideas as to why the Wall was put up thousands of years ago? Do you suspect it had something to do with the Others? What do you the the Others are?

I would definitely suspect it has something to do with the Others (is anyone else getting a LOST vibe here?), what they are... I'm not sure.

6. What do you think of Tyrion's advice to Jon? "Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armor yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you."

I love this advice, I think it's definitely something Jon should take to heart.

7. What character(s) do you find the most interesting so far?

Tyrion and Arya.

8. Thoughts on why the Lannisters would want to get rid of Jon Arryn and then foster his son?

Definitely a power play. House Arryn has held titles for hundreds of years, fostering Robin Arryn could put these titles in reach of the Lannisters without them having to strictly usurp them.
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Bran(8) - Daenerys(11)
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1) Before you found out what happened, were you apprehensive about Bran climbing all over Winterfall, especially when you discovered he was crawling the outer walls fraught with loose mortar? Did his direwolf cub’s growl cause you to have a sense of impending doom?

I think there is a TON of foreshadowing that this will not end well. It is mentioned many times that Bran is a good climber, Bran never falls, etc, etc - so I was definitely expecting something untoward to happen.

2) Did it take you long to figure out who the man and woman were whom Bran overheard? Did you surmise both their identities at the same time, or just one?

I had read up to this point before, so I knew who they were.

3) We learn from their dialogue that these two wished the King ill; did you think eavesdropping was an effective way to learn this? “That frighten cow shared Jon Arryn’s bed.” What do you deduce from this statement?

I think eavesdropping is the most effective way to learn about this at this point in the story. I'm obviously not sure what Martin has in store for these characters in later books, but it seems like Jamie and Cersei are definitely up to something - giving us point of view characters and a more direct reveal of their plan would probably ruin the suspense of what is happening and who is really involved.

5) Were you surprised Tyrion slapped Prince Joffrey not once, but twice? What do you think his reasons were for emphatically insisting Prince Joffrey put aside his contemptuous attitude and seek out Lord and Lady Stark?

Not at all! I love Tyrion. I think he's the kind of person who calls it like he sees it - and Jeoffrey looks like a twerp, he deserves it.

6) How much do you think Tyrion knows about the secrets of Queen Cersei and her twin, Ser Jaime, the Kingslayer?

I would not be surprised if Tyrion knows what is going on with his twin siblings, but I would be surprised if he was in their confidence. We know that Cersei is not fond of Tyrion, though Jamie is. It will be interesting to see how this triangle plays itself out.

7) How did you feel about Jon Snow defying Catelyn in order to say good-bye to Bran? Why do you think she told him about her prayers?

I'm glad that he stood up to her. I see Catelyn's side of things in regards to Jon and the pain he causes her, it was mentioned that it is uncommon for a Lord to bring his bastard into his own home, so she probably has some resentment towards him for being constantly in her face where another such lady would not have to see their husbands bastard every day.

I don't think she meant to tell him about her prayers, so much as she was loosing it and babbling.

8) Forget Viserus’ brooding boorishness at the wedding; to me, Magister Illyrio seems overly invested in Daenerys’ behavior. Are his reasons of a pedantic, prurient, or purely solicitous nature?

I don't trust him. I think he's definitely pulling strings. Viserus seems to be controlled by vengeance and would thus be exceptionally easy to manipulate.

9) Are the three dragon eggs gifted to Dany by Magister Illyrio still viable? If so, does he know this? Are his actions and gift-giving consistent with his moral nature and personality?

Since I've seen the commercials, I'll skip the first part of the question. :P

I think Illyrio has some idea that they might be viable, or perhaps a hope that they are. He's definitely plotting something.

10) Looks like Khal Drago can only communicate to Daenerys with one word, but he uses it effectively, no? Comments.

I adored this scene. I thought it was an interesting approach to breaking the language barrier between the two of them.
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[Lisa Kay]

@ Vicky

Bran(8) – Daenerys(11)

#5 - So, Tyrion is one of your favorite characters?

#6 - True; very interesting triangle.

[Kimberly]

Chapter 28-Chapter 31: Qs 1, 2, 4, 8, 12
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1. What did you think of Catelyn this time around? Do you think she did the right thing or should she have talked to Tyrion before having him taken into custody?
I do think she did the right thing. All signs pointed to Tyrion being the assassin. What else would a mother do?? Tyrion is a good sport about it anyway - he seems to understand the reality of the situation and is oddly compliant.

2. Do you believe Tyrion about never betting against his family? Did your opinion of him change? Do you believe him?
Tyrion is probably the most clever of all of the characters. He's intuitive and reasonable and realistic about the motives of his kin. He knows just how intent on "winning the game" the Lannisters are.

4. Sansa looks like Catelyn did when she was younger. She was receiving a lot of attention. Do you think Littlefinger would ever do anything to her? His attention seemed a little creepy to me. Anyone else think so too?
Yes - super creepy. Littlefinger is obsessed with Catelyn - especially from when they were younger. I can see him convincing himself that young Sansa is in fact young Catelyn, and thus deserving of his romantic affection. The only thing I can hope for is that this attraction will not go anywhere but will cause Littlefinger to protect Sansa from Joffrey.

8. What did you think of The Hound's story about Ser Gregor?
I'm very curious why he shared this dark secret with Sansa. She doesn't, as of yet, appear like someone with a backbone. I can't understand his motivation. I hope that it gives Sansa a sense of purpose, other than just being a ladylike little ornament.

12. Do you think Catelyn is more likely to listen to Tyrion since he saved her?
I'm optimistic about this relationship. I'm not sure she'll "listen" to anyone - but I do think that these two players fostering some trust between them is a good alliance.
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[Kimberly]

Chapter 32-35, Qs 3, 6
Chapter 36-39, Qs 1,5, 6
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3. Did you agree with Eddard declining the office of the King's Hand?
YES! That took a lot of strength for him to be able to do - but he has high morals and isn't willing to veer from what he believes to be the right path. It is a shame that his decision to decline didn't make it's way to the distant shores...

6. Gah! More death. Were you surprised that Jamie didn't kill Eddard? I think we'll see a lot more bloodshed before the book is done.
No - but more from an author's point of view than from a storyline point of view. Eddard can't die. From a storyline perspective, however, Jamie knows that killing some "lesser" people sends a message of his fierceness, while killing Eddard could attract a war.

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1. How's your perception of Dothrakis? What do you think of them as a civilization?
They're barbaric but in a very rational manner.

5. Tyrion took a very bold chance. What do you think he was trying to achieve?
Tyrion, such a clever man. He is working the system to get out of trouble without having to disclose anything. His words are all carefully selected - he says something like, "I did not participate in the murder of Bran" - but since Bran didn't die, he wasn't actually murdered. Tyrion has given up nothing.

6. Bah, Robert is soo not on my like-list. Now he wants Ned back as the Hand. What do you think of this?
I'm pleased with this decision. Ned has sense and doesn't pander. Robert needs him. I happen to like Robert - he's just impetuous and immature and he will benefit from Ned's thoughtfulness.

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[Kimberly]

I'm curious - is anyone planning to group read Book #2 in January? I'm debating whether I will go straight to it or wait a bit...

[Amanda]

I'm going to start book #2 in January. I don't think I could wait another month to start it!

[Teresa]

Had several Christmas tasks and some house cleaning for a Christmas party that were all condusive to listening to audio books, so I got a bit ahead!

Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 32 (Arya) - Chapter 35 (Eddard)

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1. Found all of Ayra's training to be interesting and fun. Were you surprised her father did not believe what she heard even after he found out Daenery's was pregnant?
He brushed it off much too readily. He should have recognized enough pieces fit with the book and the bastard and then the pregnancy that she heard something, even if it was filtered through the mind of a child.

2. Who do you think the two men were? I thought the one might be the Hound and the other might be Tywin, the Queen's father. He's still alive, right?
It sounded like they were working with the Targaryens, so I would assume someone originally connected to their family. I guess I just assumed these were not family memebers themselves, but perhaps stewards or the like for the original king that are still loyal.

3. Did you agree with Eddard declining the office of the King's Hand?
I think he should have spoken with the king privately, as he did before when Robert wanted to participate in the tourney. Then it may not have come to this. He can make a bigger difference if he is close to the king, and will likely be in danger now, as he senses.

4. Do you think Catelyn was wrong for going to see her sister? Why do you think she didn't travel back the same way she came?
I think this was smart. Avoid being caught before she decided what to do with Tyrion, and gives her the chance to get first hand account from her sister.

5. What is with going to see all the King's illegitimate children? I still can't figure this one out. Though I'm disliking Robert more and more.
I didn’t understand the motivation behind this either. Perhaps it will be a later plot point.

6. Gah! More death. Were you surprised that Jamie didn't kill Eddard? I think we'll see a lot more bloodshed before the book is done.
I think Eddard ranks high enough, and has been close enough to the King that killing him would be dangerous. So, he just killed his men instead. (hide spoiler)]
 
Vi's Questions for Chapter 36 (Daenerys) - Chapter 39 (Eddard)

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1. How's your perception of Dothrakis? What do you think of them as a civilization?
It is interesting to see this other culture. In some ways, they seem less advanced, while in others they are very forward thinking. I like that Dany is expected to be strong.

2. Do you think Robb is correct in agreeing with Greyjoy's decision to call the banners? Do you think the Starks (well, some of them) can trust Greyjoy?
I think Greyjoy has ulterior motives. But, it make sense to call the banners at the point their lord is taken unfairly. I just hope it works out for Robb.

3. Did the men have some reason in coming so close to Winterfell?
Seems strange.

4. With all the events that are taking place now, do you agree that Catelyn was wrong in going to Lysa place?
I still think it made sense at the time. Had she known her sister was changed and would not be helpful, I assume she would not have gone. At least she knows now.

5. Tyrion took a very bold chance. What do you think he was trying to achieve?
I think he was manipulating those around him to give himself a chance at least to get out. I think he was also banking on Catelyn not allowing him to be killed if it came to that.

6. Bah, Robert is soo not on my like-list. Now he wants Ned back as the Hand. What do you think of this?
He seems fickle, but at the same time it is better to be on his side than against him. The Lannisters are not openly defying him – at least not yet. (hide spoiler)]

[Renee]

Me too Teresa

Chapter 28 (Catelyn) - Chapter 31 (Tyrion)
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1. What did you think of Catelyn this time around? Do you think she did the right thing or should she have talked to Tyrion before having him taken into custody?
If she talked to him first he would deny it anyway, but it was a rash move.

2. Do you believe Tyrion about never betting against his family? Did your opinion of him change? Do you believe him?
I believe him, I still like his character.

3. Did what Tyrion say make you think less of Littlefinger?
Didn't think much of Littlefinger in the first place but like him even less now.

4. Sansa looks like Catelyn did when she was younger. She was receiving a lot of attention. Do you think Littlefinger would ever do anything to her? His attention seemed a little creepy to me. Anyone else think so too?
Don't trust him. He has that creepy uncle feel like Lisa said.

5. Did you think Prince Joeffrey would escort Sansa to her room? Do you think her opinion of him changed any because he didn't?
I was expecting him to escort her, he had been so charming that night. I thought he was starting to mature a bit, but no. Opinion went back to where it was - spoilt brat.

6. Why do you think the Queen was so upset? Is it because she likes to be the center of attention? Started picturing Snow White's step mother. I got a "Mirror, Mirror on the wall...." vibe.
Cersei loves to be the centre of attention and in control.

7. Did you get a little nervous about Sansa being along with the Hound?
He is a bit scary, but I didn't think he would hurt her.

8. What did you think of The Hound's story about Ser Gregor?
I believe the story. What a tradgic bullied childhood he had.

9. Did you suspect the young knight that died would be the one Eddard wished to speak to?
Yep. Perfect twist, adds well to the suspense.

10. If Littlefinger is lying do you think Eddard's in more trouble than you previously thought?
I think Eddard is in the middle of a lot of trouble.

11. Varys' information was interesting. What do you think Ned will do with the information? Sounds like someone may be trying to kill the King. Anyone else wonder why after the King spilled his wine they were so insistent he have more? Could someone be trying to poison him or am I just getting a little wild with my thoughts?
How far do these Lannister plots go...

12. Do you think Catelyn is more likely to listen to Tyrion since he saved her?
No, I think she is stubborn.
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Chapter 32 (Arya) - Chapter 35 (Eddard)
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1. Found all of Ayra's training to be interesting and fun. Were you surprised her father did not believe what she heard even after he found out Daenery's was pregnant?
Love the water dancing. I think Eddard always looks for the positive rather than negative. It might pay for him to be a bit more cynical though.

2. Who do you think the two men were? I thought the one might be the Hound and the other might be Tywin, the Queen's father. He's still alive, right?
Not sure, maybe.

3. Did you agree with Eddard declining the office of the King's Hand?
No. He should have either never taken it on in the first place or stuck with it.

4. Do you think Catelyn was wrong for going to see her sister? Why do you think she didn't travel back the same way she came?
Lots of people at the inn heard where she said she was going so any rescue party would go the wrong way. It was a clever ploy.

5. What is with going to see all the King's illegitimate children? I still can't figure this one out. Though I'm disliking Robert more and more.
They all look like Robert, so all the claims seem legitimate even if the children aren't.

6. Gah! More death. Were you surprised that Jamie didn't kill Eddard? I think we'll see a lot more bloodshed before the book is done.
Eddard is a Lord, Jamie killed the lower ranked men. Killing Eddard in cold blood like that would have started a war.
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Chapter 36 (Daenerys) - Chapter 39 (Eddard)
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1. How's your perception of Dothrakis? What do you think of them as a civilization?
They have a complex culture and nomadic lifestyle. I find them fascinating, but would rather live in a castle.

2. Do you think Robb is correct in agreeing with Greyjoy's decision to call the banners? Do you think the Starks (well, some of them) can trust Greyjoy?
If war is coming, it is best to be prepared.

3. Did the men have some reason in coming so close to Winterfell?
I think everything in this book has a reason, not sure what though.

4. With all the events that are taking place now, do you agree that Catelyn was wrong in going to Lysa place?
She has stirred up a bit of trouble by taking Tyrion.

5. Tyrion took a very bold chance. What do you think he was trying to achieve?
He's trying to find a way to get out as he knows no one will be able to get in to save him.

6. Bah, Robert is soo not on my like-list. Now he wants Ned back as the Hand. What do you think of this?
I think he needs Ned. He isn't a very good leader.
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Chapter 40 (Catelyn) - Chapter 43 (Eddard)
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1. I now suspect Littlefinger is one of the men Ayra saw talking in the secret passage of the castle. His beard is pointy, and they talked about him having rings (page 440). Anyone else think so? Still unsure of his motives. Tyrion did say Littlefinger was out for Littlefinger. Maybe it's all for personal gain? Any thoughts?
Ooo, yes. Starting to think that Littlefinger is up to something in particular, not just general court intrigue.

2. I agree that Lysa is a bad influence on her son and he should be fostered. She seems slightly unbalanced. Anyone agree or disagree? She seems consumed by hate. I'm suspecting something more happened than just her husband being poisoned. Any ideas?
She only had one son and he is sickly, She lost many others so I think this had made her obsessive and unbalanced.

3. Loved that Jon tried to convince them to use Sam in another capacity and stop the torture of his training. Do you think they'll take his advice? I kept hoping he'd go home.
I don't think he should go home, his father doesn't want him there. I hope they move him into a non combat role, every role is important to keeping things running.

4. Tyrion's story of his first wife was shocking and sad. Do you think she really was a whore or do you think they would do that to her because she was undesirable for a wife of a Lannister? I kept struggling between the two scenarios. I'm guessing she was hired.
I think Jamie set up the meeting, but I like to think that she really did fall in love with Tyrion and he did experience real love. The way his father broke it up was brutal though and would only have hurt more if the marriage was fake, then there would be nothing good to hold onto.

5. Tyrion is as smart as a whip. Did you think he'd be able to talk his way out of being enslaved? I guess he knows what drives people, but you also have to have some finesse in order to accomplish a change in thought.
I think he can talk his way out of anything. They can't kill him off yet, he's such a great character.

6. I guess a medieval type tale isn't complete unless the villagers are pillaged? What do you think about all the chaos associate with the Lannisters? Do you believe it is the dastardly deeds of Jamie and his Motley crew?
Lannisters seem to be behind everything bad so far, why not this too.
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[Moderators of NBRC, Challenger-in-Chief]

Please let us know when/if you all want to start in January. Discussion for A Clash of Kings is here. Thanks!

[Steven]

32 (Arya) - 35 (Eddard)
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1. Found all of Ayra's training to be interesting and fun. Were you surprised her father did not believe what she heard even after he found out Daenery's was pregnant?
Nah, unfortunately, it seems not many people take Arya seriously -- yet (in my opinion, they WILL).

2. Who do you think the two men were? I thought the one might be the Hound and the other might be Tywin, the Queen's father. He's still alive, right?

I think one is the guy from across the narrow sea that is watching over the Targaryens... ummm... Illyrio? They talked about his jewels and his nice clothes and it implied it was him, in my opinion. Or maybe Littlefinger?

3. Did you agree with Eddard declining the office of the King's Hand?
Yes, I think Eddard is in over his head, what with the evil Lannisters and the arrogant and ignorant king!

4. Do you think Catelyn was wrong for going to see her sister? Why do you think she didn't travel back the same way she came?
Well, they would have expected her to go that way, so she was saving her own hide. Ummm, I think going to see her sister has caused more drama for her to have to handle.

5. What is with going to see all the King's illegitimate children? I still can't figure this one out. Though I'm disliking Robert more and more.
He can't keep his wanker in his pants, and it's pretty obnoxious, especially because he can't expect loyalty from people when he treats them all as objects for his enjoyment/pleasure/use. I don't care for him.

6. Gah! More death. Were you surprised that Jamie didn't kill Eddard? I think we'll see a lot more bloodshed before the book is done.
I dunno what to think of this whole mess!

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36 (Daenerys) - 39 (Eddard)
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1. How's your perception of Dothrakis? What do you think of them as a civilization?
I like them. I think for "savages" they seem to have some good qualities, and at least seem to have traditions that respect their history and their families, etc.

2. Do you think Robb is correct in agreeing with Greyjoy's decision to call the banners? Do you think the Starks (well, some of them) can trust Greyjoy?
Not sure about Greyjoy. And not sure about Robb's decisions. He's awfully young.

3. Did the men have some reason in coming so close to Winterfell?
I dunno, but they weren't smart to do so!

4. With all the events that are taking place now, do you agree that Catelyn was wrong in going to Lysa place?
I think Catelyn is missing some very important opportunities to help her family by focusing on her sister and Tyrion. Both Eddard and the Winterfell group still need her.

5. Tyrion took a very bold chance. What do you think he was trying to achieve?
I think he was trying to save his own neck -- and hopefully put these captives in their place.

6. Bah, Robert is soo not on my like-list. Now he wants Ned back as the Hand. What do you think of this?
I think Robert is unwise. He's blind to what's going on around him, focusing instead on having fun and sleeping around. I think long-run, it's going to bite him and those he loves in the proverbial ass.

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[Mirliz]

I have been terribly behind on the reading and then I haven't had time to sit down and post my replies to the questions. But now I thought I would try to do some catching up on that.

That being said, I really like this book and I'm totally hooked by now!

Prologue through Chapter 3
(view spoiler)[1. Many fantasy stories have a "medieval" feel. They incorporate elements that seem or are very fitting to the medieval time period. Why do you think authors do this?

I think that by setting a story in a medieval time period where science and technology hasn't progressed as much as in our modern times, you have more freedom to give magical explanations to all sorts of things. That time period being so long gone in itself makes it magical to us - or at least to me.

2. Tolkien was asked many times how WWII affected his writing of The Lord of the Rings. Was it allegorical? Tolkien always insisted that it wasn't. That being said, does Martin "mean" anything by setting the North vs. the South? Those things obviously "mean" something to us- the Civil War, North and South Korea, Vikings, etc.

I can't really see how this is about North vs. South.

3. For some reason, many epics start with an execution (or perhaps a death/murder). What is the author's purpose in doing that?

I believe it is a way to establish the feeling of brutality and tough times that is usually very central in epics. It is also a good way to catch the interest of the reader.

4. Does the direwolf, and her pups, appearance foreshadow anything? What do you make of the pups numbering the exact amount of Stark children?

That's totally foreshadowing. And I'm certain that there is a purpose to the number of pups, I don't think that it's only symbolic.

5. The orphan is a powerful literary symbol. Especially historically where one's birth determined career, marriage, etc. Orphans are free to, sort of, create their own destiny. What, if anything, will Dany (Daenerys) choose to do to break with her "destiny"?

So far I can't see how she will be able to break free. Her brother has so much influence over her. (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 4 - 7
(view spoiler)[1. We now know what was so significant about how the direwolf was killed. The fact the antler was the means of death suggests the King, whose symbol is an antler, must somehow cause the death of Eddard (aka Ned) leaving his children orphans. The question is should this be seen as a warning as to what could happen or a prophecy of what is to come? What do you think? Knowing what could happen can the outcome be changed?

I really can't make up my mind about that yet. It could be that it will happen and nothing can change that, or it could be that it's just a warning and the outcome can be changed if those involved work towards that other outcome. It could really be either one of them.

2. Knowing how close the King and Ned were do you think Catelyn was right to encourage her husband to become the King's Hand?

I can see why she did it. He will be in the middle of everything that happens and might have a chance to influence the king and his council.

3. Do you think Jon Snow's jealousy of his siblings tureborn siblings will cause trouble in the future?

I couldn't really see that he is jealous of them. I got the impression that he loves them a great deal. However, he wishes to be as accepted as they are.

4. Were you surprised that Catelyn would ask that Jon either go with her husband or become one of the brother's of the Night's Watch?

No, I wasn't at all surprised. The fact that Ned has taken care of his bastard son shows that he is very fond of him - or of the boy's mother. With Ned gone, Catelyn doesn't want to take care of a child that reminds her of her husband's affair, so I see it as a rather understandable reaction.

5. Walls are usually put up for a reason. Any ideas as to why the Wall was put up thousands of years ago? Do you suspect it had something to do with the Others? What do you think the Others are?

I think it might have to do with the Others (although I have no idea what they are), but there could also be another reason.

6. What do you think of Tyrion's advice to Jon? "Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armor yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you."

I think it's good advice.

7. What character(s) do you find the most interesting so far?

I really like Jon, and I also find Tyrion interesting. I can't seem to get if he's one of the "bad guys" or one of the "good guys" and that always makes me extra interested in those characters.

8. Thoughts on why the Lannisters would want to get rid of Jon Arryn and then foster his son?

No real thoughts on this. I guess they wanted Arryn out of the way for some reason and then make sure they could turn his son into "one of them".

9. Sounds like Rhaegor did something to Ned's sister. Any thoughts on what that was?

Maybe he was responsible for her death? (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 8 - 11
(view spoiler)[1) Before you found out what happened, were you apprehensive about Bran climbing all over Winterfall, especially when you discovered he was crawling the outer walls fraught with loose mortar? Did his direwolf cub’s growl cause you to have a sense of impending doom?

I wasn't that apprehensive about him climbing, but when his direwolf growled, that's when I knew something would happen.

2) Did it take you long to figure out who the man and woman were whom Bran overheard? Did you surmise both their identities at the same time, or just one?

It took me some time to figure it out, I guess towards the end of that conversation. But then I realized who both of them were at the same time.

3) We learn from their dialogue that these two wished the King ill; did you think eavesdropping was an effective way to learn this? “That frighten cow shared Jon Arryn’s bed.” What do you deduce from this statement?

All I get out of this is that they want power.

4) Since Bran is a POV character in this story, it would be surprising if he died so early in the story; therefore, what condition do you think he will be in after the push? (Any comments about the push?)

My first thought when he fell was, he's gone. But then I realized he would probably live. However, I dare not guess in what state. Memory loss, completely broken, paralyzed - or miraculously recovered more or less completely? No idea.

5) Were you surprised Tyrion slapped Prince Joffrey not once, but twice? What do you think his reasons were for emphatically insisting Prince Joffrey put aside his contemptuous attitude and seek out Lord and Lady Stark?

No comments except that he deserved it.

6) How much do you think Tyrion knows about the secrets of Queen Cersei and her twin, Ser Jaime, the Kingslayer?

I can't say. He could very well know much about it, but choose not to interfer and mind his own business. Or he could actually know nothing about it. No idea.

7) How did you feel about Jon Snow defying Catelyn in order to say good-bye to Bran? Why do you think she told him about her prayers?

I was glad that he defied her. He loves his half-siblings and most of them love him, he did the right thing to say a proper good-bye to Bran. But I'm not so sure why she told him about her prayers.

8) Forget Viserus’ brooding boorishness at the wedding; to me, Magister Illyrio seems overly invested in Daenerys’ behavior. Are his reasons of a pedantic, prurient, or purely solicitous nature?

I'm suspicious of Magister Illyrio. He probably made his own secret deal as well.

9) Are the three dragon eggs gifted to Dany by Magister Illyrio still viable? If so, does he know this? Are his actions and gift-giving consistent with his moral nature and personality?

I believe they are still viable, but I'm not sure if he knows or not.

10) Looks like Khal Drago can only communicate to Daenerys with one word, but he uses it effectively, no? Comments.

He does. I slightly changed my mind about him throughout the chapter, it will be interesting to read more about him later. (hide spoiler)]

[Steven]

40 (Catelyn) - 43 (Eddard)
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1. I now suspect Littlefinger is one of the men Ayra saw talking in the secret passage of the castle. His beard is pointy, and they talked about him having rings (page 440). Anyone else think so? Still unsure of his motives. Tyrion did say Littlefinger was out for Littlefinger. Maybe it's all for personal gain? Any thoughts?
Yeah, it's a very strong chance it's him. I don't care for him, especially his strange interactions with Sansa and how he comes across as a major creeper.

2. I agree that Lysa is a bad influence on her son and he should be fostered. She seems slightly unbalanced. Anyone agree or disagree? She seems consumed by hate. I'm suspecting something more happened than just her husband being poisoned. Any ideas?
I think she loves her son very much, but I agree that she has SNAPPED! OOOOh, maybe something else happened? I dunno. She definitely cray cray.

3. Loved that Jon tried to convince them to use Sam in another capacity and stop the torture of his training. Do you think they'll take his advice? I kept hoping he'd go home.
I really like Jon Snow. He's one of the viewpoints I enjoy reading the most, along with Tyrion, Arya, and Eddard (thus far). Oh, and Daenerys.

4. Tyrion's story of his first wife was shocking and sad. Do you think she really was a whore or do you think they would do that to her because she was undesirable for a wife of a Lannister? I kept struggling between the two scenarios. I'm guessing she was hired. I wouldn't put it past them to do that... but what a sad story. I have a feeling that Tyrion loved her greatly, and that his loyalty to his family is shadowed by his constant reminder that he will bring things back around to those who deserve it (a point he's made quite a few time)... and I think that includes his siblings and father.

5. Tyrion is as smart as a whip. Did you think he'd be able to talk his way out of being enslaved? I guess he knows what drives people, but you also have to have some finesse in order to accomplish a change in thought.
If anyone could, it's Tyrion haha. He's pretty entertaining... great character.

6. I guess a medieval type tale isn't complete unless the villagers are pillaged? What do you think about all the chaos associate with the Lannisters? Do you believe it is the dastardly deeds of Jamie and his Motley crew?

I wouldn't put it past them... but I also wouldn't put it past those who are scheming... like Littlefinger and the Spider.

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[Teresa]

Lisarenee's Questions for Chapter 40 (Catelyn) - Chapter 43 (Eddard)

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1. I now suspect Littlefinger is one of the men Ayra saw talking in the secret passage of the castle. His beard is pointy, and they talked about him having rings (page 440). Anyone else think so? Still unsure of his motives. Tyrion did say Littlefinger was out for Littlefinger. Maybe it's all for personal gain? Any thoughts?
I agree that he may have been one of those men. I think he has decided he can make it higher up the ranks by siding with the Targaryans, but has the Lannisters as his back up. Frankly, I think he would betray anyone for a better deal.

2. I agree that Lysa is a bad influence on her son and he should be fostered. She seems slightly unbalanced. Anyone agree or disagree? She seems consumed by hate. I'm suspecting something more happened than just her husband being poisoned. Any ideas?
I think it would be stressful to have the hand as your husband, particularly if you go to court with him. Perhaps this has just worn on her as well. But she does seem almost dillusional in her hatred.

3. Loved that Jon tried to convince them to use Sam in another capacity and stop the torture of his training. Do you think they'll take his advice? I kept hoping he'd go home.
I thought this was a great moment in his journey to become a great leader. He sees Sam’s positive attributes, and also figures out how to manipulate the situation to help Sam.

4. Tyrion's story of his first wife was shocking and sad. Do you think she really was a whore or do you think they would do that to her because she was undesirable for a wife of a Lannister? I kept struggling between the two scenarios. I'm guessing she was hired.
Because Martin makes a point earlier to mention that brothels will provide a virgin for the right price, I think she was a whore. It was a very twisted end to the marriage that sadly makes sense for this family.

5. Tyrion is as smart as a whip. Did you think he'd be able to talk his way out of being enslaved? I guess he knows what drives people, but you also have to have some finesse in order to accomplish a change in thought.
I think he could talk himself out of anything!

6. I guess a medieval type tale isn't complete unless the villagers are pillaged? What do you think about all the chaos associate with the Lannisters? Do you believe it is the dastardly deeds of Jamie and his Motley crew?
I think it is part of the plot to get the Targaryans back in power. The attacks are more obvious than I would expect even from the Lannisters, so I think it is meant to pit these two houses against each other, hopefully to drag others into the war. Ultimately, this would leave the Lannisters without any backup come war time with the Targaryans. (hide spoiler)]

[Mirliz]

Chapters 12 - 15
(view spoiler)[1. We've had a lot of speculation about Jon's parentage. Robert was with Ned the year he was away and mentions Wylla - Jon's mother. What do you think of this new development? If Wylla is Jon's mother then who was Ashara to Ned? Could it be that he had more than one affair?

Of course Ned could have had more than one affair, but I don't think it's very likely. But I could be wrong, I am usually very bad at realizing what characters really are like. Still wondering about those two women and their connection to Ned.

2. We finally find out that Rhaegar did rape Lyanna. Does this change anything for you?

It didn't surprise me, and I can't say it really changed anything for me.

3. Ned advises Robert that "no one man should hold both the East and West". Do you think this could be foreshadowing something? Or is it just advice?

At this point I think it's just advice, and good advice.

4. Does it surprise you to find out how Jaime Lannister got his nickname of Kingslayer? Also, what about Ned finding Jaime sitting on the Iron Throne?

Not at all surprised about any of it. He seems power-hungry to me.

5. What do you think about the young boys called "Rapers" being taken to the Wall? Does it shock you?

It doesn't shock me. It seems like a way to get rid of unwanted persons from the society without killing them off, pretending that they will do something useful. (I say "pretending" since I have the feeling that not many people believe the people on the Wall are really useful.)

6. Does this sentence say anything important about the Lannisters? "The Lannisters took what was offered" (120). Think about it in reference to what Ned said about Jaime sitting on the throne. Does it change anything about Jaime Lannister?

It just makes me more certain of their hunger for power. Whatever is in their reach, they will take it, whether or not it is theirs to take - that's the feeling I get from them.

7. What do you think of the bond between Jon and Tyrion?

I like both of them, or at least I'm interested in both of them, and I just hope that the bond between them will turn out to be something good, not something bad.

8. Who do you think the man was, who was sent to Bran's room? Who do you think sent him? Why?

I have no idea who that man was. I believe he was sent to make sure the secret about the Lannister twins isn't revealed, but then he must have been sent by someone who knows about that...

9. Many have shown dislike for Theon Grayjoy, how do you feel about him being allowed to hear what Catelyn has to say about the Lannisters?

I don't have an opinion of him yet.

10. Even after 15 years Catelyn does not consider herself to be a Stark. She tells Robb to stay at Winterfell because "there must always be a Stark at Winterfell" (137). Why do you think Catelyn chooses to exclude herself from being a Stark?

In one way, I think she meant there needs to be a male Stark there to rule. But in another way, I think she still thinks of herself as an outsider because she has stronger bonds to her own blood - obviously - and that is most important to her. That, and her own children.

11. Is it significant that the "wilder" children look like Starks and the "tamer" children look like Tullys? Why?

It might be significant, but for now I just think it's a bit amusing.

12. What do you think about the fight between Arya and Joffrey? What kind of repercussions do you think will follow?

I think it will result in something bad. (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 16 - 19
(view spoiler)[1. Gah! They killed Lady and then Micah. I thought Micah would get off with just punishment not death. Did anyone see that coming? Wonder where Nymeria is? I love how the wolves are so smart.

Nope, didn't see that coming. I think it was way too harsh, both killing Lady and murdering Micah like that. Neither of them deserved what they got, but by now it's clear that this will be a book full of evil and death.

2. Thoughts on Bran's dreams before he woke up? Do you think he'll remember everything? Do you think it was a dream or will he now see things? Could he have the same powers as Varys whom Catelyn referred to as a spider?

It was a very interesting dream, I think. As for how much he will remember, only time will tell. My hope is that he will have some kind of strange powers from now on, that would add a nice touch to the story.

3. Do you think the Lannisters went to the wall so they could keep an eye on Bran's situation without being obvious? Why did they go to the wall in the first place?

I would like to think Tyrion has nothing to do with the attack towards Bran, and that he just has his own secret reason for going to the Wall. Maybe he just wanted a chance to spend more time with Jon?

4. After hearing about the Dagger being Tyrion's do you suspect he's more involved with his siblings plans then you may have previously thought?

I still hope it's some kind of trick to make him suspicious, and that he doesn't have anything to do with it.

5. Do you think Catelyn was wise to leave home?

Wise, or not wise... I don't know.

6. So what are your thoughts on the mantra "Winter is coming"? What do you think it means? Could it be another way of saying be prepared?

It definitely sounds like a way of saying "Be prepared for harsh times and bad things happening".

7. Do you think it was a mistake for Jon to come to the Wall?

Actually no, I think he has a part to play in all this and that his place might very well be on the Wall.

8. Initial thoughts of Donal Noye and the advice and the information he gave Jon?

I haven't made up my mind about him yet, but I think his advice was good. It's better to make friends than enemies in a place like that, where you might have to rely on the people around you one day.

9. Jon made an enemy. That cannot be good. Any thoughts on what Ser Alliser will do?

I guess Jon will be attacked by him in one way or another, however I don't think Ser Alliser would risk doing anything really bad to him - without making it look like an accident of course.

10. Do you think Tyrion is a "nice" guy or is he hoping to turn Jon against his family?

No idea, but I hope that he isn't a "bad" guy. I would like if he has his own agenda which isn't intended to really hurt anyone but keep the peace, and I hope that he won't turn Jon against his family.

11. Bran named his wolf Summer. Does this mean he'll have something to do with them getting through whatever terrible events are coming?

That would be nice symbology. (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 20 - 23
(view spoiler)[1. The treasury is more than 6 millions in debt. Did that surprise you? What do you think are its implications? Do you think that it is really 6 million in debt or was it made out to be to that amount?

Not that surprised, but a little shocked that it might be that much in debt. In reality it could very well be either more or less, but I am certain the debt is huge.

2. Based on the chapters so far, what is your opinion of Robert? Were you able to get a handle on him?

I feel like he is a character that doesn't want to get too involved in complicated situations, he would rather turn a blind eye to things than having to step in and do something about a situation. He just wants peace and quiet in his kingdom and a good adventurous life.

3. Do you think the Starks were wise in trusting Littlefinger? Does Littlefinger still think of Catelyn favorably?

I think it is risky for them to trust anyone at all, but I don't yet have an opinion of Littlefinger.

4. Do you think that the North and the Wall with its beyond is being taken too lightly? Due to the long summer, have people forgotten about it? What do you think of Mormont's request?

Yes, I think it is being taken too lightly and that people don't care about it as much as they should do.

5. Tyrion's leaving the watch. Have you any idea/theory behind Tyrion's journey? Is it to analyze the strength/weakness of the Night Watch if in case of war?

I have no idea what's on his agenda, but I'm curious to find out.

6. Jon seems to have heeded Tyrion's and Donal Noye's advice. And after Bran's news, he seems to have matured a bit. We also learn that Ben is also missing. And Jon's statement also seems to be some kind of omen. Has anything happened to Ben? Will Jon have to go after him?

I'm not sure that Jon will be sent after him, but I'm glad to see that he has matured. I think he will play an important part in the story, whatever part it will be.

7. Ned's advice to Arya is full of wisdom. Arya seems to understand that but what about Sansa? Will Arya and Sansa ever reconcile?

I'm afraid they won't reconcile, but I hope they will. Although it might have to come to something really bad or dangerous before they do.

8. I was surprised when Ned had Arya taught "dancing" lessons. Were you surprised? Looks like this will shape Arya and Sansa's future. Agree or Disagree?

I wasn't surprised, but I was also very happy about it. Arya will always be the way she is, and Ned is wise enough to see that she will keep doing what she wants no matter if she has permission or not. I guess he realizes it's better if he allows it in secret than forbidding her.

9. Oh Boy, I knew Dany would be ass-kicker if only given the chance. And Vicious had got what was coming to him. What do you think of that incident? Do you think that Dany will have a greater role as time goes on? Especially given the last scene in the chapter where Dany takes command?

Finally she shows some power! I definitely think she will have a greater role in the future.

10. Man, looks like the eggs might just turn viable. Are we going to see dragons? Does this have any significance more with Dany as the one who might "Wake" the dragon? Such an interesting possibility, isn't it?

I really hope there will be dragons!

11. And looks like Dany is pregnant (As an aside, so soon???). What will be the significance of the baby? And with the dragon egg on the other side as well?

If the baby wouldn't turn out to have some importance to the story, there wouldn't be a baby, in my opinion. As for what will happen with Dany and her baby, I can't guess. (hide spoiler)]

[Mirliz]

Chapters 24 - 27
(view spoiler)[1) Were you caught up in Old Nan’s story about the last hero? Do you think there are still children of the haunted forest in the far North? How do you think Old Nan’s version of story ends; happy like Bran believes?

I did think the story was interesting and I would have loved to hear the ending. But however much I wish for a happy ending, I think it's a sad one.

2) Why do you think Tyrion designed the saddle for Bran? Does his doing so assure you that he had nothing to do with the attempted assignation on Bran?

It doesn't assure me of anything, however I hope that he didn't have anything to do with it, and that he designed the saddle just because he feels sorry for the boy and wants to be useful.

3) Why did the direwolves respond to Tyrion with such hostility? Summer was the first to start growling; what is the significance of that? Did this change your mind about Tyrion’s ulterior motives?

Sadly, this made me think that maybe he actually had something to do with Bran. However, maybe the wolves just felt that he is a Lannister?

4) Any doubt as to which Robert was Jon Arryn was asking for on his death bed? Do you think he was poisoned, and if so, by whom? If it was by Queen Cersei, why did she leave the castle instead of assuring the deed was done and/or no information passed from Lord Arryn to the King Robert?

I think he was poisoned, but I have no idea by whom. I would like to think the Lannisters were directly involved, but I don't know how they would have been. And I don't know which Robert he was referring to.

5) What did you make of Sansa & Arya’s dreams of Bran?

Not sure.

6) What was your first impression of Samwell Tarly; did it change any after hearing his life story? Did you agree with Jon’s thought that “it took a queer sort of courage to admit to cowardice”? What was the meaning of Jon’s dream of Winterfall?

My first impression of Samwell was that he didn't seem to fit there at all, and it didn't change much after I knew his story. I felt a little bit sad for him, having a childhood like that, but still I don't...feel much for him. However I do agree that it takes some courage to admit that you're a coward. It will be interesting to see what happens to him later on.

7) Were you surprised Jon had Ghost partaken in straightening Rast out by leaping onto his chest? “Remember, we know where you sleep.” Impressed he used that variation on Donal Noye's words of advice? How close a bond has been formed between all these youths of the Night’s Guard?

Not that surprised, no. There are strong bonds between the children and their direwolves, and I kind of expect the wolves to be a lot involved in the lives of the children, helping them out. And it seems to me that there are already bonds being formed between the youths. Maybe not so strong yet, but I think they will be important in the future.

8) What will be the consequences of Lord Stark giving up some of his own household guard to serve the Watch?

Obviously he will be more vulnerable to the Lannisters and their allies, but it might prove to be a wise decision if something actually happens at the Wall.

9) Who holds a vital piece of the puzzle for Lord Stark: Ser Hugh (formally Lord Arryn’s squire) or Lord Stannis (the king’s brother)? Who is more likely to part with this information?

I think that both of them hold vital information, but it might be that Ser Hugh is more likely to part with that information.

10) What is the significance of the lineage book Lord Arryn was reading?

Obviously it does have some significance, but I fail to see it.

11) I can’t write better questions than what we ended with: “What had Jon Arryn wanted with a king’s bastard, and why was it worth his life?” Well, except to ask, which king’s bastard? (I mean which king, Robert?)

Well, that is indeed a good question, and I don't have an answer. I just want to keep on reading to eventually have the answer given to me! (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 28 - 31
(view spoiler)[1. What did you think of Catelyn this time around? Do you think she did the right thing or should she have talked to Tyrion before having him taken into custody?

I think it would have been wiser to talk to him first, but I guess she just wants to be able to get him under her control so he can't go and hurt her children more.

2. Do you believe Tyrion about never betting against his family? Did your opinion of him change? Do you believe him?

Yes, I believe him about that. He is too clever to do that, since he knows them so well.

3. Did what Tyrion say make you think less of Littlefinger?

I haven't thought much of him to start with, but this made me like him even less.

4. Sansa looks like Catelyn did when she was younger. She was receiving a lot of attention. Do you think Littlefinger would ever do anything to her? His attention seemed a little creepy to me. Anyone else think so too?

Well, I hope he doesn't do anything to her, but I think she will get a lot of attention.

5. Did you think Prince Joeffrey would escort Sansa to her room? Do you think her opinion of him changed any because he didn't?

Actually I did think he would escort her, but then I just felt like a fool because I thought so - of course he wouldn't do that. I hope her opinion of him changed.

6. Why do you think the Queen was so upset? Is it because she likes to be the center of attention? Started picturing Snow White's step mother. I got a "Mirror, Mirror on the wall...." vibe.

Probably just because she likes to be the center of attention.

7. Did you get a little nervous about Sansa being along with the Hound?

A little nervous, yes, but at the same time not. And I wanted to get to know him more.

8. What did you think of The Hound's story about Ser Gregor?

It was terrible and sad, and gave me a better understanding of him.

9. Did you suspect the young knight that died would be the one Eddard wished to speak to?

Yes, I did. It seemed kind of obvious.

10. If Littlefinger is lying do you think Eddard's in more trouble than you previously thought?

Yes, definitely. I always thought he was in much trouble.

11. Varys' information was interesting. What do you think Ned will do with the information? Sounds like someone may be trying to kill the King. Anyone else wonder why after the King spilled his wine they were so insistent he have more? Could someone be trying to poison him or am I just getting a little wild with my thoughts?

Yes, I believe someone is trying to kill the king, but not with poison. That would be too suspicious if the same persons killed Jon with poison. As for Ned, I think he should tell the king.

12. Do you think Catelyn is more likely to listen to Tyrion since he saved her?

I hope she will, but I'm afraid she won't listen good enough. (hide spoiler)]

[Kimberly]

Chapter 40-43, Qs #3 & 4

(view spoiler)[
3. Loved that Jon tried to convince them to use Sam in another capacity and stop the torture of his training. Do you think they'll take his advice? I kept hoping he'd go home.
Jon knows what it's like to be ostracized and he definitely has a soft spot for the underdog, so to speak. I think he is far more intuitive about people than other characters in this book. Most others are selfish where Jon is kind. Sam isn't cut out for fighting and brutality - some people just aren't. It's a shame Sam's family wrote him off so completely. In a way it's a blessing that he has Jon and the other "brothers" to form a quasi family connection with.

4. Tyrion's story of his first wife was shocking and sad. Do you think she really was a whore or do you think they would do that to her because she was undesirable for a wife of a Lannister? I kept struggling between the two scenarios. I'm guessing she was hired.
I absolutely believe she was hired and that the whole event was a ruse to trick Tyrion. This story made me very sad. I can understand his deep rooted desire to remain aloof towards them until he may seek his revenge. Tyrion is not respected by his family, despite his overwhelming sincerity and intelligence when compared to the rest of that lot. Heartbreaking really...

(hide spoiler)]

[Steven]

44 (Sansa) - 47 (Eddard)
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1) Does Septa Mordane have reason to be upset that Lord Baelish/Littlefinger overheard what Sansa said her father’s decision regarding Ser Loras? (BTW, I think Lisarenee is right; he’s a little creepy now, stoking her face like that; do you? Though I did like what he said, “Life is not a song, sweetling.”) Comments. Of course... Littlefinger will take any advantage he could get, the creeper.

2) Seems like Sansa has fully succumbed to revisionist history and also a bit of arrogance. Do you think she will make a good queen? What did you think of her dreaming of Lady?
Umm, no. She's not smart -- she's too focused on pleasure and comfort, and less focused on reality. She should be dreaming of Lady... and she should be mad at the queen for forcing Lady's death.

3) Interesting that Sansa brought clarity to Lord Stark by seeing Prince Joffrey by his true sigil. Still, now that her direwolf is dead, do you see her as more than just an observer? Or just someone unprotected?
I dunno... I have never felt that she was going to be actively involved in anything important... besides being a pawn or a stepping stone.


4) Where you surprised Lord Stark desired to confront Queen Cersei with her sins b/f speaking with King Robert? What of his choice of location; did that have any impact on her speaking the truth? It didn’t seem to affect her propositioning him. Comments.
Yes... what a moron! Now she knows he knows, she knows he's a threat to her power, and she was obviously cunning and treacherous enough to handle Arryn... what was he thinking? Of course, being completely alone made her dare to speak the truth -- she has all the power of the Lannisters behind her, and all he has is his honor forcing him to behave the way she knows he will. But she offered because had he accepted, it would have played well for her.

5) Did the horse heart eating gross you out as much as it did me (which was a lot!)? Were you ever in doubt of her keeping it down? Does the dosh khaleen’s prophesy reassure you of the safety of Dany’s baby? Were you surprise that Dany and Drogo made love in front of witnesses? Does this make her more Dothraki?
Yes, it was GROSS! Ummm, I'm less surprised that they "did it" in front of the crowd and more surprised that it mentioned how many thrusts it took for it to finish (and that it was so few, considering his ravenous sexual appetite mentioned before). I think she's been accepted by the Dothraki, yes.

6) Were you worried about Dany and her baby when Viserys threatened her with his sword? Were you surprised with his "crown of gold"?
No, I wasn't worried. The Dothraki would protect her... and her Kahl proved that by killing(?) Viserys (about damn time, I hated him soooo much, the little worm) and thought he got what he deserved.

7) Oh, man! I thought when Lyanna was saying “Promise me, Ned,” in his dream we were finally going to get a few answers or clues as to Jon Snow’s paternity. Where are you on this speculation?
Umm, I didn't connect that at all to Jon Snow's lineage. Especially considering right now we know his Paternity (or we're assuming Eddard is telling the truth, and if he wasn't, then the direwolf prophetic thing was off base.

I thought it more him dreaming of her making him promise to protect Robert and his true heirs.

8) What were your observations and conclusions about King Robert's fight with the boar?
I think it was definitely forced... and he was basically murdered... an arranged accidental death.

9) Do you think Ned should have told Robert about the parentage of Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen? Do you think his decision a wise one?
I think he should have, but I don't know if at that point Robert would have believed it, or been able to handle it.

10) Do you think Ned’s letter will reach Lord Stannis? Is so, any idea what will happen?
I doubt it. ANd if it does, there will be a HUGE war! (which I'd wager is definitely going to happen anyways)

11) What do you think of Litterfinger’s advice? Does this make you doubt it was him that Arya overheard? Was he just testing Lord Stark’s resolve? Or is he just keeping his finger in every pie and/or stirring the soup with it?

Dunno about if it was him or not... but I think he's manipulating everyone while finding the best person to back for his own gain.

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[Mirliz]

Chapters 32 - 35
(view spoiler)[1. Found all of Ayra's training to be interesting and fun. Were you surprised her father did not believe what she heard even after he found out Daenery's was pregnant?

Not as much surprised as disappointed. As much as he loves her and does for her, I hoped he would at least listen to her and not just brush her off like that. I wish he realizes it before it's too late.

2. Who do you think the two men were? I thought the one might be the Hound and the other might be Tywin, the Queen's father. He's still alive, right?

Ah, I'm so bad at guessing who-is-he games... I have no idea who the men were.

3. Did you agree with Eddard declining the office of the King's Hand?

Half-half. I understand him wanting to get out of there, he is needed back at home. But at the same time, it is good to have him there as the King's Hand, having the possibility to look for answers more easily, even though he is in danger at the same time.

4. Do you think Catelyn was wrong for going to see her sister? Why do you think she didn't travel back the same way she came?

I think it was a clever way to escape anyone following her, and I think she needs to meet her sister in person again. At first I thought it was a good idea, but when I saw the reaction that met her, I'm afraid there will be a lot of drama...

5. What is with going to see all the King's illegitimate children? I still can't figure this one out. Though I'm disliking Robert more and more.

These children are some important parts of the puzzle, but that's all I get. I don't get why or in what way, but I'm curious to know.

6. Gah! More death. Were you surprised that Jamie didn't kill Eddard? I think we'll see a lot more bloodshed before the book is done.

No. Eddard is still too close to the king. Killing him openly like that would be too risky. (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 36 - 39
(view spoiler)[1. How's your perception of Dothrakis? What do you think of them as a civilization?

I kind of like them actually. Yes, they are barbaric and have some strange ways, but on the other hand they have a strong sense of what's right and wrong, and how things should be done - according to their customs.

2. Do you think Robb is correct in agreeing with Greyjoy's decision to call the banners? Do you think the Starks (well, some of them) can trust Greyjoy?

I hadn't made up my mind about Greyjoy before. I still haven't quite made it up yet, but I feel a bit nervous when it comes to him. I want to be able to trust him, but I'm not sure that I can.

3. Did the men have some reason in coming so close to Winterfell?

I don't know.

4. With all the events that are taking place now, do you agree that Catelyn was wrong in going to Lysa's place?

Going there has indeed created more drama and trouble, but she went there with good intentions - to get help and answers and straighten things out.

5. Tyrion took a very bold chance. What do you think he was trying to achieve?

I think he was trying to save himself, first and foremost, and as he stood on the brink of death anyway he could as well risk it all. I like his cleverness!

6. Bah, Robert is soo not on my like-list. Now he wants Ned back as the Hand. What do you think of this?

I don't like it. Robert just forces him to stay so that he himself doesn't have to deal with all the trouble in the kingdom on his own - or at all.
He does need Ned - but Ned is of no use to him if he doesn't even listen to him. (hide spoiler)]

[Steven]

48 (Jon) - 51 (Sansa)
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1) Did you expect Jon to keep his role in Samwell’s assignment a secret?
I figured he would. I mean, what would telling Samwell do other than destroy that confidence boost of being chosen? I am more stunned that he was passed over for a ranger. But I guess I should have realized he had leadership potential (even if the annoying weapons master thought it was his revenge idea lol)

2) Do you think Samwell’s taking his vows with Jon before the heart tree will strengthen their friendship?
I think so... but I think Jon and Sam have bonded already.

3) If the the reason behind Mormont assigning him to the stewards was as Samwell stated, why was Ser Alliser smiling?
Because Alliser views it as just desserts, not realizing that it's got potential leadership written all over that opportunity. Alliser isn't the brightest :P

4) Do you feel Lord Stark should have said something about Prince Joffrey’s paternity when he called the small council together?
I think it might have been wise. He's not playing this game well... and it's going to fulfill Cersei's prophetic line about playing the game.

5) Ohhhhh…Litterfinger is truly a viperous snake! Did this surprise you? What are your thoughts about Janos Slynt? Will there be repercussions for Ser Barristan, the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, for his slight hesitation?
Not even a little about Littlefinger. I knew he was slime.

6) Did Arya learn enough from Syrio to survive and make it back to Winterfell? Will she be reunited with her direwolf on the way home?
I think she'll run into Nymeria. I think she can make it home. But what will be there when she gets there?

7) Sansa! Will she ever get a clue? Can you see her parroting reflected in what other courtiers say in from of Queen Cersei? Where you as appalled as I was that she had revealed their planned departure to Queen Cersei?
No, she's a stupid... well, I'll skip the word I want to use. She is SO.... ugh!!! I dislike her so much. She's selfish, and ignorant, and oblivious, and gullible, and has betrayed her family.
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[Mirliz]

Chapters 40 - 43
(view spoiler)[1. I now suspect Littlefinger is one of the men Ayra saw talking in the secret passage of the castle. His beard is pointy, and they talked about him having rings (page 440). Anyone else think so? Still unsure of his motives. Tyrion did say Littlefinger was out for Littlefinger. Maybe it's all for personal gain? Any thoughts?

He may be one of those men, yes. As far as I'm concerned, he only cares about himself and would do anything to get to where he wants to. Including switching sides whenever it suits him, or even playing both sides at once. He's clever, but in a scary way.

2. I agree that Lysa is a bad influence on her son and he should be fostered. She seems slightly unbalanced. Anyone agree or disagree? She seems consumed by hate. I'm suspecting something more happened than just her husband being poisoned. Any ideas?

It's possible something else also happened, but not necessarily. I think losing your children until you've only got one left, and then losing your husband would be enough to drive you insane (like she seems to have become) if your mind is just a little weak. I feel bad for her son, though, he would be better off being fostered than being overprotected and fussed over by his mother.

3. Loved that Jon tried to convince them to use Sam in another capacity and stop the torture of his training. Do you think they'll take his advice? I kept hoping he'd go home.

I also loved that he did that! And I sincerely hope they will do as he asks. I like Jon more and more, it seems like he cares so much for others.

4. Tyrion's story of his first wife was shocking and sad. Do you think she really was a whore or do you think they would do that to her because she was undesirable for a wife of a Lannister? I kept struggling between the two scenarios. I'm guessing she was hired.

Oh, I hadn't thought about the second possibility. But I still think it was the first scenario, that she indeed was hired. It's a very sad story and I felt so bad for him.

5. Tyrion is as smart as a whip. Did you think he'd be able to talk his way out of being enslaved? I guess he knows what drives people, but you also have to have some finesse in order to accomplish a change in thought.

His words easily put him in danger, but he talks himself out of danger just as easily. I believe he could talk himself out of pretty much any situation!

6. I guess a medieval type tale isn't complete unless the villagers are pillaged? What do you think about all the chaos associate with the Lannisters? Do you believe it is the dastardly deeds of Jamie and his Motley crew?

It's a possibility, of course. But there are so many plotting characters around, I don't know quite what to believe at this point. (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 44 - 47
(view spoiler)[1) Does Septa Mordane have reason to be upset that Lord Baelish/Littlefinger overheard what Sansa said about her father’s decision regarding Ser Loras? (BTW, I think Lisarenee is right; he’s a little creepy now, stroking her face like that; do you? Though I did like what he said, “Life is not a song, sweetling.”) Comments.

I don't know, I mean the more things and gossip he knows, the more he can meddle in things. So in a way, maybe she's right to get upset.

2) Seems like Sansa has fully succumbed to revisionist history and also a bit of arrogance. Do you think she will make a good queen? What did you think of her dreaming of Lady.

I don't think she would be a good queen at all. She is way too shallow - all she cares about is how everyone looks and dresses and behaves. She lives in a world of dreams where you can only be good if you are handsome and beautiful, and if you don't look good, then you aren't a good person either. And she just wants to enjoy herself, enjoy "the good life". No, she wouldn't be a good queen, not unless she changes.

3) Interesting that Sansa brought clarity to Lord Stark by seeing Prince Joffrey by his true sigil. Still, now that her direwolf is dead, do you see her as more than just an observer? Or just someone unprotected?

I do see her as someone unprotected, actually. All her siblings still have their wolves, and they have been saved by them. Now if Sansa would get in trouble, Lady isn't there to save her. Still, I can't help blaming Sansa somewhat for what happened, since she didn't tell the truth about what happened that day.

4) Where you surprised Lord Stark desired to confront Queen Cersei with her sins b/f speaking with King Robert? What of his choice of location; did that have any impact on her speaking the truth? It didn’t seem to affect her propositioning him. Comments.

Surprised, yes. I don't see why he wants to reveal how much he knows and put himself and his family at more risk. But I do believe he chose a good place for them to talk about it.

5) Did the horse heart eating gross you out as much as it did me (which was a lot!)? Were you ever in doubt of her keeping it down? Does the dosh khaleen’s prophesy reassure you of the safety of Dany’s baby? Were you surprise that Dany and Drogo made love in front of witnesses? Does this make her more Dothraki?

It didn't gross me out as much as I thought it would. I think she has become much more accepted by the Dothraki by now, because she makes such an effort to follow their traditions and learn their ways. I believe they respect her for that. As for the prophecy, I don't put my trust to prophecies. I don't think the baby is automatically safe just because there's a prophecy.

6) Were you worried about Dany and her baby when Viserys threatened her with his sword? Were you surprised with his "crown of gold"?

I wasn't that worried, just a little bit. I knew the Dothraki would protect her, I was just afraid Viserys would do something before the Dothraki could reach him. The crown of gold was a fitting way for him to go. I never liked him and he deserved what he got and more.

7) Oh, man! I thought when Lyanna was saying “Promise me, Ned,” in his dream we were finally going to get a few answers or clues as to Jon Snow’s paternity. Where are you on this speculation?

Where I am? I'm totally lost. I want to know what Lyanna meant, and I want to know more about Jon, and I want to know more about Ned's past. I'm getting way too curious!

8) What were your observations and conclusions about King Robert's fight with the boar?

I felt like it was too good timing, and it felt set-up. Robert is easy to fool and easy to trick into traps. It wouldn't surprise me if this was indeed a murder in disguise. Now I'm worried about Ned and the rest of them.

9) Do you think Ned should have told Robert about the parentage of Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen? Do you think his decision a wise one?

I would have liked Robert to know the truth, but I still think Ned made the right decision not to tell him in this situation. If I had a dying friend I would probably do the same - let him die with peace in his mind, instead of filling him with anger and sorrow.

10) Do you think Ned’s letter will reach Lord Stannis? If so, any idea what will happen?

I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the letter didn't reach him, that would just make the story even more complicated and uncertain.

11) What do you think of Litterfinger’s advice? Does this make you doubt it was him that Arya overheard? Was he just testing Lord Stark’s resolve? Or is he just keeping his finger in every pie and/or stirring the soup with it?

I still believe he only cares for himself and gladly joins forces with whoever allows him to gain the most. I would gladly not see much of him at all... He creeps me out. (hide spoiler)]

[Kimberly]

Chapters 48- 51

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1) Did you expect Jon to keep his role in Samwell’s assignment a secret?
I did. Jon is not the sort of person to want accolades for helping others. He does want to be recognized, but for his own merit - not for being generous. Jon, if he is ever able, will make a fine leader some day.

2) Do you think Samwell’s taking his vows with Jon before the heart tree will strengthen their friendship?
Definitely. They are truly brothers now.

3) If the the reason behind Mormont assigning him to the stewards was as Samwell stated, why was Ser Alliser smiling?
As in The Karate Kid, the lessons one is getting are not always apparent at fist glance. Wax On. Wax Off. Dear Jon.

4) Do you feel Lord Stark should have said something about Prince Joffrey’s paternity when he called the small council together?
Of course I want Cersei to be exposed - but I gather that Ned is keeping this card for a future play.

5) Ohhhhh…Litterfinger is truly a viperous snake! Did this surprise you? What are your thoughts about Janos Slynt? Will there be repercussions for Ser Barristan, the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, for his slight hesitation?
Oh, isn't he awful?! I have to admit that I loved his line: "I told you not to trust me." Because, in all fairness, he did. It was a splendid one-liner.

6) Did Arya learn enough from Syrio to survive and make it back to Winterfell? Will she be reunited with her direwolf on the way home?
She's incredibly strong-willed. From the series, I know where she's going so I can't say more about that - but she is one clever little spunk.

7) Sansa! Will she ever get a clue? Can you see her parroting reflected in what other courtiers say in from of Queen Cersei? Where you as appalled as I was that she had revealed their planned departure to Queen Cersei?
Sansa is definitely confused about where to place her loyalties. She's causing irreparable damage with her carelessness.

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[Renee]

Chapter 41 (Sansa) - Chapter 44 (Eddard)
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1) Does Septa Mordane have reason to be upset that Lord Baelish/Littlefinger overheard what Sansa said her father’s decision regarding Ser Loras? (BTW, I think Lisarenee is right; he’s a little creepy now, stoking her face like that; do you? Though I did like what he said, “Life in not a song, sweetling.”) Comments.
I thought that Septa Mordane was concerned that anyone heard Sansa speaking against her father, as that's disrespectful and not what a lady would do.

2) Seems like Sansa has fully succumb to revisionist history and also a bit of arrogance. Do you think she will make a good queen? What did you think of her dreaming of Lady.
I think Cersei would be happy for her to marry Joffrey and become the next Queen as she would be easy to groom and manipulate. I don't think she would be a strong fair Queen, and not sure if she is observant and clever enough to play the games of intrigue.

3) Interesting that Sansa brought clarity to Lord Stark by seeing Prince Joffrey by his true sigil. Still, now that her direwolf is dead, do you see her as more than just an observer? Or just someone unprotected?
I don't think she is protected by the direwolf any longer, but maybe she may become protected by the lion.

4) Where you surprised Lord Stark desired to confront Queen Cersei with her sins b/f speaking with King Robert? What of his choice of location; did that have any impact on her speaking the truth? It didn’t seem to affect her propositioning him. Comments.
I think he wanted to see her reaction to confirm what he thought before he took it to Robert. The godswood was a good private place to confront her, but I don't think it being a holy place had ant affect on Cersei as she doesn't follow the old gods.

5) Did the horse heart eating gross you out as much as it did me (which was a lot!)? Were you ever in doubt of her keeping it down? Does the dosh khaleen’s prophesy reassure you of the safety of Dany’s baby? Were you surprise that Dany and Drogo made love in front of witnesses? Does this make her more Dothraki?
It was easier to read than watch on tv. I wasn't sure if she would keep it down as I first read it, I know I couldn't now, let alone when I was pregnant! As I read on and realised the significance and the practice she had done, I knew she could do it.

6) Were you worried about Dany and her baby when Viserys threatened her with his sword? Were you surprised with his "crown of gold"?
He was angry and drunk enough that I was worried he would stab her in the stomach before her guards could stop him. I liked how the Khan never broke his promise, just twisted the meaning of the words.

7) Oh, man! I thought when Lyanna was saying “Promise me, Ned,” in his dream we were finally going to get a few answers or clues as to Jon Snow’s paternity. Where are you on this speculation?
I think she Lyanna is Jons mother and they are just teasing us with clues.

8) What were your observations and conclusions about King Robert's fight with the boar?
They were planning to "accidently" kill him in the mellee, so I think this was the backup plan. Get him really drunk on a hunt a long was from home and let him get himself killed. Similar to what Samwell's father had threatened him with.

9) Do you think Ned should have told Robert about the parentage of Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen? Do you think his decision a wise one?
I think Robert was too far gone to be able to do anything about it anyway, so let him die in peace.

10) Do you think Ned’s letter will reach Lord Stannis? Is so, any idea what will happen?
Not in time if at all.

11) What do you think of Litterfinger’s advice? Does this make you doubt it was him that Arya overheard? Was he just testing Lord Stark’s resolve? Or is he just keeping his finger in every pie and/or stirring the soup with it?
Lord Baelish has his little finger in everything he can reach.
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Chapter 48 (Jon) - Chapter 51 (Sansa)
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1) Did you expect Jon to keep his role in Samwell’s assignment a secret?
I thought he would, it does more for Samwell's confidence to think he was chosen on his own merits.

2) Do you think Samwell’s taking his vows with Jon before the heart tree will strengthen their friendship?
Yes. Now they will be working closer together too.

3) If the the reason behind Mormont assigning him to the stewards was as Samwell stated, why was Ser Alliser smiling?
I think he will be groomed for leadership, and I don't think Ser Allister realised this.

4) Do you feel Lord Stark should have said something about Prince Joffrey’s paternity when he called the small council together?
Yes. I also think he should have taken Renly's offer and got in before Cersei.

5) Ohhhhh…Litterfinger is truly a viperous snake! Did this surprise you? What are your thoughts about Janos Slynt? Will there be repercussions for Ser Barristan, the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, for his slight hesitation?
There is Lord Baelish's little finger in all the pies, getting paid by everyone and playing them off against each other.
@Kimberly, loved that one liner too.

6) Did Arya learn enough from Syrio to survive and make it back to Winterfell? Will she be reunited with her direwolf on the way home?I think she did and she will. I like her.

7) Sansa! Will she ever get a clue? Can you see her parroting reflected in what other courtiers say in from of Queen Cersei? Where you as appalled as I was that she had revealed their planned departure to Queen Cersei?
She is a spoilt petulant child. She is still very young and malleable, so it depends on who influences her most as to how she will turn out.
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[Steven]

52 (Jon) - 55 (Catelyn)

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1. Did anyone expect the dead men to come back to life? I did. Does that mean I've seen too many horror movies? Oh yeah, I totally expected it, especially after the Prologue action.


4. Did they say if anyone besides Jon survived? There was another zombie that he didn't deal with. Wonder what happened to him...but do I really want to know???????
I want to know more as well!

4. Anyone else thinking Catelyn is a bad mom? Why is she not going home to her two youngest kids? I understand her brother's in trouble and her father is dying, but she has kids. I can't fathom being away from my kids that long.
Not a Catelyn fan, and this didn't help. Seriously... go home to your VERY young kids already!

5. Interesting that Rob's first reaction to Sansa's letter was "What's wrong with that girl." and not "They must have forced her to write this." What do you think?
I'd react the same way. Sansa is selfish, oblivious, and slow. Don't like her at all.

6. Bran's statement about Sansa loosing her Wolf makes me wonder how close those wolves are tied to the children. Seems like there could be another story just about that.
I'd read it. I love the direwolves. Sansa losing her wolf seemed representative of her losing her Stark-ness?

7. Speaking of Bran, I feel so bad he can't be healed. I kept hoping he could. He's struggling so much with what he can do and what he would have been able to do. Any thoughts?
Yeah, that makes me sad too.


10. Dany and her husband were almost poisoned. Did you think it odd that Ser Jorah thought the wine was tainted? Could he have set it up to persuade Kahl Drago to wage war on the Seven Kingdoms?
Didn't think of that... but that's an interesting theory.

11. Do you think that Dany and the Starks might become allies?
Hmm, I would love that... except Eddard was part of the team that took down her dad's reign and killed him. :P

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[Steven]

56 (Tyrion) - 59 (Catelyn)
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1. We now know that the mantra of the Lannisters is "Hear Me Roar." What is your opinion of it? I think it is not all that inventive or great.

I think we know where Katy Perry got her inspiration for Roar.

2. Tyrion is finally back home. What did you think of the interaction between him and his father? I'm not feeling the love.
No, there is no love lost between the two.

3. Anyone wondering how Tyrion's newly formed motley crew will effect the games (game of thrones that is), or do you think Tyrion's father will kill them? Could insisting that Tyrion was theirs until they were compensated lead to their downfall?
I think Tywin doesn't care, but welcomes the numbers.

4. Bronn saved Tyrion's butt, but it sounded like Tyrion didn't have a high regard for him. He brought up the fact he'd changed sides. Anyone surprised by this? Not really, Tyrion says what's on his mind a lot.

5. Sansa. What can I say? Anyone else like to smack some sense into her? Anyone else surprised she is still considered engaged to the young King? Do you think he likes her? I was a little confused by it until I read Eddard's chapter.
I. HATE. SANSA. SO. MUCH.
She's not even smart enough to see she's being used. Or that she's in danger.

6. I must confess, I was a little afraid to read chapter 58. I didn't see any other Eddard chapters. I feared our relationship with him had come to an end. Anyone else relieved it wasn't? Do you think he'll cave in because of Sansa?
I think we've still got a long part of the book left without Eddard's name on any more chapters.

7. So as I and I believe a few others of you suspected, Catelyn didn't fully believe herself a Stark. I'd think that after 5 children and several more years of being married to her husband she'd have felt she was a Stark. Anyone else think she really had a problem with her husband's infidelity? Could that be the reason?
Yeah, well, how she treated Jon indicated she clearly had a problem with Eddard's infidelity. But to be fair, a brand new arranged marriage doesn't really strike me as something solid. Maybe he had actual feelings for Jon's mother.

8. What did you think of the agreement Catelyn reached with Lord Frey? That was an awful lot to ask for passage.
It was. I think it was way too much.

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[Renee]

Chapter 52 (Jon) - Chapter 55 (Catelyn)

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1. Did anyone expect the dead men to come back to life? I did. Does that mean I've seen too many horror movies?
They didn't seem naturally dead, and with all the white walker references and the intro I wasn't surprised.

2. What did you think the hand going down the throat was looking for - soul or heart? CREEPY!
Not sure. Eeeeeek.

4. Did they say if anyone besides Jon survived? There was another zombie that he didn't deal with. Wonder what happened to him...but do I really want to know???????
Didn't say at this stage, but I think we will find out soon. I don't want Samwell to die yet.

3. Was anyone surprised that so much time had passed? I didn't think it'd been a full year.
I hadn't realised it was that long, but everyone is travelling everywhere on foot, it takes longer to organise things like war.

4. Anyone else thinking Catelyn is a bad mom? Why is she not going home to her two youngest kids? I understand her brother's in trouble and her father is dying, but she has kids. I can't fathom being away from my kids that long.
The kids are safe in a castle with a nanny and lots of other adults to protect them. I think Catelyn is wanting to prevent any threat making it back to Winterfell. In this culture, lots of kids that age would be fostered out and wouldn't see their parents for years on end anyway. I don't think I could leave my kids that long though.

5. Interesting that Rob's first reaction to Sansa's letter was "What's wrong with that girl." and not "They must have forced her to write this." What do you think?
He's just looking at the words and not what is between the lines. Inexperience compared to his mother, and probably knowing how superficial his sister is.

6. Bran's statement about Sansa loosing her Wolf makes me wonder how close those wolves are tied to the children. Seems like there could be another story just about that.
I like the Direwolf bits. From the wat Jon'swolf is reacting, they might be a defence against the white walkers.

7. Speaking of Bran, I feel so bad he can't be healed. I kept hoping he could. He's struggling so much with what he can do and what he would have been able to do. Any thoughts?
I don't think he will be physically healed, there doesn't seem to be that kind of magic/miracles in this book. But I think he will gain more strength.

8. Looks like raising the banners was a good choice on Robb's part. I still don't like him going to war.
He's very young, but I have high hopes for him.

9. So there is a dilemma is getting the father more important than trying to defeat the Others. Which do you think they should have done first?
The Others don't seem to be an immediate threat, so they are dealing with what is real and now. I think the others will cause lots of problems in the future.

10. Dany and her husband were almost poisoned. Did you think it odd that Ser Jorah thought the wine was tainted? Could he have set it up to persuade Kahl Drago to wage war on the Seven Kingdoms?
Word had been sent that there was a bounty on Dany's head. Ser Jorah was one of the people they were offering pardon to if he killed her, so he may have been given this message and then been suspicious of others .

11. Do you think that Dany and the Starks might become allies?
If Dany gets these dragon eggs to hatch, then the dragons and the direwolves might need to get together to defeat the white walkers.
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[Mirliz]

Chapter 48 - 51
(view spoiler)[1) Did you expect Jon to keep his role in Samwell’s assignment a secret?

Yes, I did expect that. He didn't seem like he wanted any glory for thinking about Sam that much, and maybe he just didn't want to have Sam feeling like he would owe Jon for the rest of his life or something...

2) Do you think Samwell’s taking his vows with Jon before the heart tree will strengthen their friendship?

I don't know, maybe. But I can't see why that specific choice would strengthen it. I think they will become closer friends either way.

3) If the reason behind Mormont assigning him to the stewards was as Samwell stated, why was Ser Alliser smiling?

Maybe because Ser Alliser actually doesn't know the real reason behind that decision, and is just happy to see Jon disappointed for not becoming a ranger as he wanted? Let's see who is smiling in the end...

4) Do you feel Lord Stark should have said something about Prince Joffrey’s paternity when he called the small council together?

Yes, I think that would have been wise of him.

5) Ohhhhh…Litterfinger is truly a viperous snake! Did this surprise you? What are your thoughts about Janos Slynt? Will there be repercussions for Ser Barristan, the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, for his slight hesitation?

It didn't surprise me in the slightest. I was just sad to see that Eddard did fall into his trap eventually.

6) Did Arya learn enough from Syrio to survive and make it back to Winterfell? Will she be reunited with her direwolf on the way home?

She has certainly learned a lot, and it will help her a great deal. Hopefully all the way back to Winterfell. And I hope she will be reunited with Nymeria.

7) Sansa! Will she ever get a clue? Can you see her parroting reflected in what other courtiers say in from of Queen Cersei? Where you as appalled as I was that she had revealed their planned departure to Queen Cersei?

When I read that she had told Cersei about their departure, I just felt like banging her head into something, hopefully getting rid of some stupidity and making space for some sense. I can't believe how selfish and childish she is - and how easy to fool! Ugh! (hide spoiler)]

Chapters 52 - 55
(view spoiler)[1. Did anyone expect the dead men to come back to life? I did. Does that mean I've seen too many horror movies?

Uh, yeah. That was too obvious it would happen. It was still scary though.

2. What did you think the hand going down the throat was looking for - soul or heart? CREEPY!

I didn't want to think about that! I just wanted to keep on reading to leave those monsters behind.

3. Did they say if anyone besides Jon survived? There was another zombie that he didn't deal with. Wonder what happened to him...but do I really want to know???????

It didn't say, but I do want to know, quickly. Sometimes I hate the cliffhangers in this book! Having to read about so many other characters before getting to know "what happened next" will drive me nuts some day, lol!

4. Was anyone surprised that so much time had passed? I didn't think it'd been a full year.

I was a little surprised at first but then I realized it made sense, what with all the travelling and Bran getting so healthy and strong again, and Jon getting to take his vows. Nothing of that would happen in the blink of an eye.

5. Anyone else thinking Catelyn is a bad mom? Why is she not going home to her two youngest kids? I understand her brother's in trouble and her father is dying, but she has kids. I can't fathom being away from my kids that long.

I guess she thinks that they are safe where they are, and she better help out with getting rid of the danger that could come threatening them later on if she doesn't do anything about it.

6. Interesting that Rob's first reaction to Sansa's letter was "What's wrong with that girl." and not "They must have forced her to write this." What do you think?

I think it's sad he doesn't know his sister well enough to recognize if she has written the letter on her own or if it's been dictated for her. Still, he knows how selfish she is and obsessed with beauty and the court and all that, so I can't really blame him.

7. Bran's statement about Sansa loosing her Wolf makes me wonder how close those wolves are tied to the children. Seems like there could be another story just about that.

I definitely think there's some special bond between the children and their wolves. That's why I hope so badly that Arya will be reunited with hers now. They seem to be extraordinarily strong and able to protect their children.

8. Speaking of Bran, I feel so bad he can't be healed. I kept hoping he could. He's struggling so much with what he can do and what he would have been able to do. Any thoughts?

I do feel sad for him. Still, I hope he will realize how strong his mind is (or could be), and that there are things he can do and think about that others can't. Hopefully he will find his place in the world before long and realize that he can make a difference too, even though he's not a knight.

9. Looks like raising the banners was a good choice on Robb's part. I still don't like him going to war.

I don't like that either, but I kind of agree that he didn't really have a choice. Yes, he could have sent someone else to command the army, but he is the heir and needs to earn the respect of the men around him. They need to see him as a man, not a boy, and sadly I think this is one of few good ways to achieve that.

10. So there is a dilemma - is getting the father more important than trying to defeat the Others. Which do you think they should have done first?

Getting Eddard is what's more important right at this moment. That's the immediate problem. However, I think the Others will become a real threat before long, and probably they will not be able to get to the North in time to stop them from becoming a danger to the south side of the Wall.

11. Dany and her husband were almost poisoned. Did you think it odd that Ser Jorah thought the wine was tainted? Could he have set it up to persuade Kahl Drago to wage war on the Seven Kingdoms?

I...hadn't thought about that possibility. But of course it's plausible. Or as Renee said - he could have received that letter and been suspicious of others getting the same message and trying to go through with it.

12. Do you think that Dany and the Starks might become allies?

Oooh, now that would be something! But then she would have to convince Eddard that she's not evil as her father, and she would have to forgive what he was part of. And he would have to convince her that he wasn't part of the plan to kill her and her baby. Hm, tricky... (hide spoiler)]

[Amanda]

Finished Game of Thrones! I don't have time at the moment to answer the questions, but I absolutely loved the book! I hope everyone else is enjoying it as well :).

[Steven]

I finished it last night and am gonna finish the question sets at work tomorrow. sooooo good!