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Why I don't like this book
Bella was totally falling for Edward. No matter how surprised she was finding Edward watching her sleeping, she happily accepted the idea. I asked my 14-16 years old nieces about that. They both have the same happiness having the man they love caring about them to that level. It's creepy but more young fans out there agree with that part.
sends the wrong message to teens.
Natalie wrote: "Josephine wrote: "100 Reasons Twilight Sucks.1-It is too copied off Jane Austen’s books. I hate that. Although JA also sucks...
2-The actors at the movies SUCK. Why can’t people get that when th..."
JANE AUSTEN ROCKS!!!!!
Idk if i woke up and found a guy watching me i'd freak, even if i loved him. what if you were drooling or something? lol
Natalie wrote: ""Kelsey wrote: "I understand that it is well written, but why does Bella have to be all depressed and trying to kill herself just to hear his voice? Sorry for all of you people who are obsessed... :..."Yeah that's definitely not healthy... She should see someone about that
But that's what she's trying to do already, to see Edward...
Lena wrote: "Idk if i woke up and found a guy watching me i'd freak, even if i loved him. what if you were drooling or something? lol"yes! that would totally freak me out!!
I think its so freaking romantic how they express there love. If the man i couldnt live without watched me sleep to protect me, it would b a beautiful thing! lol
well, seeing as how he could read minds, i'd rather he sit outside my window or something! he'd know if someone was coming, right?
But where'd be the fun in having a protector if he doesn't come inside? :D
i think he secretly just wanted to rape her
Lena wrote: "well, seeing as how he could read minds, i'd rather he sit outside my window or something! he'd know if someone was coming, right?"lolol...he'd b taking jacobs job
Victoria wrote: "i think he secretly just wanted to rape her"I think it was the opposite! He wanted to sit there gazing at her and not touch. She wanted to tear his clothes off.
Has anyone else seen Vampires Suck? where they make fun of this movie? some of the comments on here remind me of that movie.
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Lena wrote: "Victoria wrote: "i think he secretly just wanted to rape her"I think it was the opposite! He wanted to sit there gazing at her and not touch. She wanted to tear his clothes off.
Has anyone ..."
I couldnt even watch Vampires suck, it bothered me too much that they were making fun of it lol.
and yes ur right she wanted him..bad lol
Kelsey wrote: "I understand that it is well written, but why does Bella have to be all depressed and trying to kill herself just to hear his voice? Sorry for all of you people who are obsessed... :)"i absolutely agree...i will admit i loved it at the moment but then i realized just how idiotic it was.
i absolutely agree...i will admit i loved it at the moment but then i realized just how idiotic it was."Well put. The books are very absorbing. Stephanie Meyer may not win any critic's awards for writing, but she can tell a story, that's for sure.
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Jay wrote: "Oh, how I hated these books. Read them to see what the fuss was about and disliked Bella from the beginning. She has no personality, there is literally nothing interesting about this character. She..."O, good Lord, thank you. Can. Not. Handle how bad this was. Disturbing and ridiculous with not a single character with anything approaching either depth or common sense. It just was frightening to me that anyone could look at this creepy, possessive mutual obsession and see any kind of admirable romance.
I am sorry. I genuinely do not want to offend anyone. But, please girls, if you wake up and someone has broken into your bedroom to watch you sleep SINCE FIRST MEETING YOU, that is not adorable, sweet, or protective. That is someone who desperately needs a restraining order.
P.S. Stephanie Meyer, having your main character read classic literature does not make her suddenly a "deep" or "thoughtful" character. It makes her another high school student.
Please give your characters real personalities. Desperation is not a personality trait. It's just sad.
Calli wrote: "I am sorry. I genuinely do not want to offend anyone. But, please girls, if you wake up and someone has broken into your bedroom to watch you sleep SINCE FIRST MEETING YOU, that is not adorable, sweet, or protective. "It is indeed weird. But I think the fans out there, the Twilighter and Twihard disagree with lots of us.
Calli wrote: "Jay wrote: "Oh, how I hated these books. Read them to see what the fuss was about and disliked Bella from the beginning. She has no personality, there is literally nothing interesting about this ch..."I agree with absouletely everything you said. If i woke up to find someone watching me in my from, regardless to whether i loved them or not, i would still find it really creepy.
God, Bella has no personality, reading classics doesn't mean anything. Her character is the dullest person I have every had to read about.
Lena wrote: "Victoria wrote: "i think he secretly just wanted to rape her"I think it was the opposite! He wanted to sit there gazing at her and not touch. She wanted to tear his clothes off..."
Actually it's made quite clear that Edward is a more moral person than Bella, so yeah, if, then the other way around.
Edward had as it was already a mortal fear (that would be immortal in his case I guess, tee-hee) of being condemned in the after life for being a vamp, not likely that he would feel up to commit another sin.
i heard Vampires Suck, well SUCKED. Also, I think Bella was just a teenager. SHE WANTED SEX! THAT DOESN'T MAKE HER LESS MORAL, THAT MAKES HER HUMAN! He wanted sex, he just thought it would kill her. Not to mention if they had had sex before she graduated then she would have had the baby sooner. And she would have still been living with Charlie. She HAD to wait (by 'she' I meant Stephanie Meyer) or else everything would have been complicated.
Sophie wrote: "SHE WANTED SEX! THAT DOESN'T MAKE HER LESS MORAL, THAT MAKES HER HUMAN!"She wanted sex but didn't want to consider the implications for neither her, nor Edward, nor anybody else, that makes her less moral.
Though, I also agree that she's just a teenager, which comes down to the same. :)
Gerd wrote: "Natalie wrote: ""Kelsey wrote: "I understand that it is well written, but why does Bella have to be all depressed and trying to kill herself just to hear his voice? Sorry for all of you people who ..."That is not what i meant. She should see a psychiatrist (excuse my spelling)
Wow! I thought new moon was great; I guess you would of have to experience some of the emotions Bella went through to truly understand her obnoxiousness, etc. She was never trying to kill herself she was trying to never forget. Just imagine finding someone you care so much for and then one day there gone; you didn't see it coming and sure as hell wasn't prepared for it...how was she suppose to feel. Please explain, just curious.
At Kelsey: I've read this book a few times and I never thought she was clingy...in love but not clingy. If you think about it she never was clingy to Edward becuase especially in new moon becuase she had an attraction to Jacob and you see that further in the remaining books.
twilights awful. oh i also heard 'vampires sucked' was a bad movie, idk i pretty much hate twilight, would it be funny?is it worth seeing?
Victoria wrote: "twilights awful. oh i also heard 'vampires sucked' was a bad movie, idk i pretty much hate twilight, would it be funny?is it worth seeing?"
I heard it is really really really REALLY dirty
it was not that dirty. some gross-out humor, pretty dumb but it had it's funny moments. if you like to make fun of twilight, you'd probably like it!Lena
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Amanda wrote: "I think that the role of Bella is great because its different. If you think about it, and compare her roll in the twilight saga, to any other Vampire novel; not only is the book so unique in itself..."I'VE READ IT. And I thought it sucked.
Victoria wrote: "Sophie wrote: "i didn't like this book because it was so deppressing. she was soo pathetic. 'How Bella Sucks Without Edward' would have been a good name. Or maybe 'Bella is Suicidal When She Doesn'..."AWW. What about my epic list?
Thewrittenword wrote: "To Josephine - don't you think 100 is a bit dramatic??"No, rather light.
Kelsey wrote: "I understand that it is well written, but why does Bella have to be all depressed and trying to kill herself just to hear his voice? Sorry for all of you people who are obsessed... :)"If you were deeply in love with someone and then they just randomly up and left your life, I think you'd be depressed. At least for a little while.......
Lena wrote: "it was not that dirty. some gross-out humor, pretty dumb but it had it's funny moments. if you like to make fun of twilight, you'd probably like it!Lena
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Yeah so, really really gross
Out of the four books, this is my least favorite. There's no real antagonist in this book.
ahaha the list was my very favourite list of how stupid twilight is!!!! :P. and the longest!! i dont think i could ever actually spend the time to write the million reasons why i hate twilight xD
I begin to think that Meyers did that to oppose a strong female lead and focus on something bigger but she messed up a little trying to appeal to the public. Maybe she meant for Edward to help Bella grow and help her become a more confident , strong woman . all these of course are speculations.
Maria wrote: "I begin to think that Meyers did that to oppose a strong female lead and focus on something bigger but she messed up a little trying to appeal to the public. Maybe she meant for Edward to help Bell..."Did I miss something? Edward did the opposite. He never, ever acts like he wants a strong, independent or confident woman. Ever.
I can't figure out this character no matter how much I try
Lena wrote: "Maria wrote: "I begin to think that Meyers did that to oppose a strong female lead and focus on something bigger but she messed up a little trying to appeal to the public. Maybe she meant for Edwar..."Lena wrote: "Maria wrote: "I begin to think that Meyers did that to oppose a strong female lead and focus on something bigger but she messed up a little trying to appeal to the public. Maybe she meant for Edwar..."
Yeah , but I question , why wouldnt he want a stronger more independent and confident woman?
So you're saying that SM meant to do that originally but ended up not having Edward help Bella become strong?
Tyne, you make a good point about the Jacob/Bella/Edward development. I know these books were poorly written because everyone says so. The truth is, I read these books about 5 years ago and honestly never noticed bad writing. But then, I didn't care much about poorly written books as long as they sucked me in. Now, I'm afraid to go back and reread because I've become quite an avid and discriminating reader and I know I would hate them. My point is, a lot of people don't care about bad writing as long as the story is engaging. I'm not sure most kids notice horrible writing. I do agree that someone (crit group, editors, etc) should have helped fill some of the holes in these books.
Lena wrote: "The truth is, I read these books about 5 years ago and honestly never noticed bad writing. But then, I didn't care much about poorly written books as long as they sucked me in. Now, I'm afraid to go back and reread because I've become quite an avid and discriminating reader and I know I would hate them."I wouldn't be afraid to reread them, Lena. I read them for the first time a year and a half ago, when I was already an avid and discriminating reader. They were incredibly enjoyable. I think one of the things that is especially charming about the Twilight books is Meyer's ability to show the relationships between the characters in small ways. It reminds me a lot of the Harry Potter books that way.
About the writing, I see nothing particularly bad about it. Personally, I prefer a lot of imagery and description in my reading and tend to gravitate towards novelists who are also poets (Mauriac, Dillard), but I've never found a YA book that uses much imagery. For that reason, I could not call the writing good, but I think it's on the level with other YA books.
It's stupid to cry over a guy for that long... Ya maybe you can be sad for a day or even a few days but at least let the people around you help you! She is lucky Jacob cared enough to help. I would have given up after about a month.
At Bella's age I knew what I wanted and have been happily married since, I wasn't a sullen teen and seriously have issues with a book that allows its prime female figure in the book so obsessed and basically ruled over by a guy..this isn't what true love is about!!! Compromise and fights happen, but having an everlasting love takes work, and one person certainly doesn't control the other. My biggest pet peeve with these books besides the lack of a strong female character who knows her own mind is that it gets compared to some of the great romance classics out there..this book is not Romeo and Juliet!!!
Interesting book, I kept reading though Breaking Dawn was a drag.. urgh I sort of had to push myself to read it.The whole book is very depressing and depressing-type stories aren't my cup of tea. It's okay to have books like these, but I personally don't like them. There are tons of books out there that are depressing on a way worse level (and sick) like The Handmaid's Tale and the depressing 1984, although these are depressing books everyone seems to treat them like a bloody pot of gold! While everyone bashes on Twilight for being too depressing but then look at the books I just mentioned!
Personally I think this book is better than it's proceeder Twilight and the movie was better acted too. Twilight isn't the Best Series I've read and I wouldn't take it too seriously even if Bella was trying to kill herself.
It's very clear that this series is intended for Teenagers anywhere between the age of 12-18 or 17 maybe.
What teenage girl isn't self centered like Bella is ? It's not surprising that she would be too depressed and thinks the world revolves around her, remember your first break up ? You probably thought the world was at an end especially if your BF is the one breaking up with you.
Bella comes as annoying and obnoxious but I think people are too harsh on her because as I said earlier this book is intended to teenagers and moms.
Four words:I don't like Twilight!
Personally, I think this is the WORST book out of the whole series. It just makes women look like they NEED a man to survive. Bella just annoyed me, I swear I could've just went upto her and slapped her. Seriously, jumping off a cliff? Why the hell? I know you love Edward but just.move.on.I think Bella in general is a bad role model for your girls. Whats she saying? That you should go try kill yourself so your ex boyfriend has sympathy for you and takes you back? In real life, that boy will just think you are seriously mixed up in the head.
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