Sapphique (Incarceron #2) by Catherine Fisher → Start Date: June 10th, 2013

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

lol Why are you?!?!

I'm stressing over maybe moving
and with spending so much time on that, I didn't read a lot today..so I'm trying to catch up :)

[Vicki]

LOL I'm up because I have so much happening around me throughout the day. We went to the village in town today and shopped some and ate a late lunch. It was our last day here together. After everyone is in bed I read. At home I'll have more time to read. LOL

[Vicki]

I got through ch. 23 and I am so excited that (view spoiler)[ Finn "remembers" if that is real. I wonder how this will come to play with them taking off on the horses. And where did Finn's gun come from? I thought he had swords. LOL What about Keiro being Sapphique's apprentice? Do you think Keiro will turn out to be better than we thought? (hide spoiler)]

If I make anymore comments before I get home tonight, they'll be generic or I'll simply type SPOILER.

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

no worries. I'm on chapter 27 so I think we'll be on the same chapters at the same time :D yay!

Have a safe drive!!!

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

I have always thought Keiro was better than he portrayed himself.
I'm so glad he stayed with Attia. I don't think he is as mad at Finn as he thinks. I just think he needs his anger to fuel him going...I think he's jealous but secretly a little glad Finn is out - he just wants out too.
LOL I love that he dressed like a pirate from the children's nursery!

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

and I just have to add

I love Attia. she is just amazing and strong woman.
she has been through SO MUCH and has just fought, tooth and nail, to survive

and she is still feisty but level headed
I hope Keiro swallows his pride and finally sees her as an equal. She is so kickass! LOL!

[Vicki]

Ditto on ALL your comments!!!!! I LOVE Attia!!!!

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

OMG YAY!!! Chapter 26 Go Steel Wolves!!! WOOHOO!!!!

and chapter 28!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

OMG!!!!

(speechless!!!)

[Vicki]

I can't read your spoilers but I am almost finished with Chapter 26!!! I'm trying to read as far as I can before I have to drive. Lol

It's SOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

I removed the spoiler tags! lol

[Vicki]

Lol so the Steel Wolves make us happy? Lol

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

OMG I just finished it

I can't wait until you are done! I have so many questions!!!

let me know when you're home! LOL! so much to talk about!!!!!

[Vicki]

I've been driving but I got finished with ch 28. OMG!!!! I LOVE when Keiro tells Casper he's is worst nightmare!!! What a way to end the chapter!!!

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

I know, right?!?! So many things to love about Keiro!!!!!!!!! He's cute in his spunky bad boy ways lol

[Vicki]

Sorry I didn't get back to this thread last night, but by time we dropped off our granddaughter, picked up our dog from boarding, went to the store for a little food since we left our house with none since we were going for two weeks, picked up a fast food meal at 10:15 and got home and ate, I fell sleep until 3:30 AM, woke up and watched 2 episodes of the Bachelorette and went to bed at 6:00. LOL Got up again at 8:30 to go to an appointment that ended at 11:20, then went to IHOP for breakfast/lunch. So here I finally am. Of course, at 3:30 I am already babysitting for 2 grandkids, but we really need to go to Costco to get some real groceries. Guess that won't happen till tomorrow.

Okay, WOW!!! SO Much happened in the last few chapters, almost too much!! I am so glad that Jared is (view spoiler)[Sapphique. That was a pleasant surprise (hide spoiler)] That makes sense to me. How about you?

I love that even though due to some of the responses from some of the characters we can't be (view spoiler)[100% sure that Finn is Giles, I still think that he is. And however big the kingdom is, he has it and Claudia will be Queen. I knew that bitch Queen Sia was in on it!! (hide spoiler)]

If I understand it correctly, everyone is basically (view spoiler)[happy and will have/get what they want. They can live in either world, and most likely the two worlds will merge. (hide spoiler)]

I am SO glad that the Queen and the Pretender (view spoiler)[ admitted their scheme! (hide spoiler)]

I am going to give it 5 stars even though I still am unsure of some things. I think that was obviously the author's plan because nothing in life is black and white and clear cut (or at least few things).

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

okay, lol sorry, I didn't get a notification so didn't see this update from you :) yay!

Okay, so
Jared - do you think he really was the first Sapphique?? Or that he gained that knowledge from the library and then was able to find a way to take on a new body and become Sapphique???

ha! that was my big big question!!! Do you think Giles is Finn??
I agree. I think he is. I think the dad asked her not to ask him because he didn't want to confess the "sin" or wrong he did against Giles, not that he didn't do it.
but I hate that she questioned it
but WOW, it kept throwing me how much Finn lied!!! Who knew how skilled he was with words and that he learned to tell so many lies for protection....

Ugh, I know it's wrong but I'm so glad time caught up with Sia. SOMETHING needed to be done about her. She was cruel and I'm glad she got her just dues!

And what do you think??? Which one was Incarceron? Which one was the small charm on a watch band?? It sounded like Incarceron (the prison) wasn't really on the watch band if they just crawled out into the other room? Did you get that feeling too? I was so confused and yet totally sucked in! LOL!

I absolutely loved this one.

I like to believe that Attia and Keiro ultimately got together and that Keiro and Attia helped them rule the worlds :)

[Vicki]

I am in agreement with everything that you said, but I'm not so sure about Incarceron. I still can't picture it being a little cube. I still didn't get that part of it and just chalked it up to "fantasy" genre. LOL

I do think that Jared was the first Sapphique, which makes sense as to why he was so invested in finding the portal and knowing what was going on.

I thought the same thing about Claudia's dad. I think he is smug and likes to have the upper hand, but I had confidence in Finn being Giles the entire time. I was going to be TICKED if he wasn't! LOL

Sia, yes, I got "my" revenge and was so happy to see her go out like that!!! So glad she was exposed and everyone knows that she's a liar, manipulator, and totally evil.

Okay, I guess I missed something because I don't understand your question about which was Incarceron. What did I miss? Was there another Incarceron? LOL I guess I was more confused that I thought. LOL BUT as you said, I LOVED it anyway!!

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

well, Incarceron was 'supposed' to be the perfect world. it was made when the world was crumbling and everyone thought Incarceron was a kind of a paradise.

only the inner circle knew that it wasn't...it was a prison

but.....when Incarceron drained the power to make the body BOTH words lost power - the magic that was in Claudia's world drained and the building and the people were shown to be old and crumbling....the only power and structure left were the poor...which is where they were headed at the end. Because they were used to using candle light and living with no windows and other "fancy" things.

So, those in Claudia's world were living the proposed fantasy....the perfect world but it wasn't real....and it crumbled when Incarceron crumbled.

But then they talked about the Stars so I assume the stars ARE real and Claudia's world is the "real" but I think it's really....a prison within a prison.

I think it's like Jared/Sapphique said. Maybe claudia's world is ALSO just a charm on someone's stopwatch. And there is another world out there.

How crazy is that to think?! phew! this one is complex ;p

[Vicki]

I went to Fisher's website and was reading through her Q&A section and found this:

Is Jared a reincarnation of Sapphique or his resurrection without any memory or did he come from the Prison with his memory erased or Jared really is Sapphque pretending not to know him and having hallucinations and that the body of the Prison was just based on him? If Jared is not related at all to Sapphique, then how come they look alike? Please make a third book! Will there be any chance that you'll be writing a novella about Jared or Keiro, perhaps?


Wow. Tricky. Jared and the Prison have merged to create something we could call Sapphique. They both have all their memories and personality. I just wanted this idea of a conflated being. Jared does look a little like the way Sapphique is described, but I didn't think of him as a reincarnation, though now you mention it, it's possible...

No plans for novellas at present though, as I'm writing the Chronoptika set.

[Vicki]

P.S. Maybe we already knew but I forgot, there IS a movie coming out on Incarceron but it won't be this year.

[Vicki]

Another that will help:

Hello, Ms. Fisher! I'm a very big fan of your books Incarceron and Sapphique, and with all due respect, may I ask how Jared was saved in the end? The question entered my mind after seeing a question which you answered with a phrase saying "Jared is saved." And is Jared really Sapphique or Sapphique only like a host for the Prison and another person to inhabit? Thank you!


I think I meant that Jared is saved from his illness which would have killed him very soon. Now he and the prison share a body, and that dual natured creature is Sapphique.

It seemed a good way of bringing both of them what they needed at the end of the book.

[Vicki]

This one doesn't show the question, but here is the answer:

I don't think Jared will have lost his identity- he's a strong-minded man. As for his vision of Sapphique, maybe it was delerium, maybe Sapphique spoke to him... who knows.

The key that unlocks the heart is love. It also runs the universe, according to the Dante quote at the start of the book.

[Trisha, lives on coffee]

wow!!! okay, so Sapphique...he has to be real at one time. because he appears in everyone's visions

but he's always flying. ugh, so many unanswered questions. maybe one day we WILL get book 3 :D

don't miss my post on Message 68 :D we were posting at the same time lol

[Vicki]

Trisha wrote: "well, Incarceron was 'supposed' to be the perfect world. it was made when the world was crumbling and everyone thought Incarceron was a kind of a paradise.

only the inner circle knew that it wasn'..."

Haha! I guess there is quite a bit we will never know/understand completely. Even Fisher in her answers says things like, "I think I mean" and "It isn't clear, so you can feel free to think what you want."