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Olivia "So many books--so little time.""
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Yikes, only trivial amounts of fantasy before Lord of the Rings? I'm not sure what numbers would be considered trivial, but there were 65 books in the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series alone and most came before LOTR. There were 25 more lined up to go in the series and that was just the tip of the iceberg. Most of the authors in the series had multiple other novels that could have been included. There's so much of it, I doubt I'll be able to read as much as I'd like to. A lot of it is in the public domain now and you can get it on the Gutenberg Project website for free as eBooks. I think my favorite pre-Tolkien fantasists so far are William Hope Hodgson and Lord Dunsany.

I just read War With The Newts last year. It was a lot better than I expected it to be. A very interesting read.

I really enjoyed Colony when I read it. I don't know if I'd put it anywhere near the top of my list of favorite stand Aline's, but it got me reading more Ben Bova when it came out.

Over decades. How long does it take for 65 fantasy works to be released today?
David wrote: "only trivial amounts of fantasy before Lord of the Rings? I'm not sure what numbers would be considered trivial, but there were 65 books in the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series alone and most came before LOTR. ..."
It's worth noting that the "Ballantine Adult Fantasy" imprint was created by Ballantine after they had phenomenal success selling "The Hobbit" & "Lord of the Rings". They used that imprint to mostly re-print pre-LotR fantasy (novels and shorter works) by Lord Dunsany, William Morris, Lin Carter, Pratt, de Camp, et al. (and even tossed some Shakespeare and Tennyson poems into some anthologies :)
Most of those were written pre-LotR. Most (except the Shakespeare :) were out of print when Ballentine began. It's fair to say the pre-LotR Fantasy section at the bookstore was pretty thin before LotR.
Edit: How did a Stand-Alone SciFi list get on to Fantasy history?
It's worth noting that the "Ballantine Adult Fantasy" imprint was created by Ballantine after they had phenomenal success selling "The Hobbit" & "Lord of the Rings". They used that imprint to mostly re-print pre-LotR fantasy (novels and shorter works) by Lord Dunsany, William Morris, Lin Carter, Pratt, de Camp, et al. (and even tossed some Shakespeare and Tennyson poems into some anthologies :)
Most of those were written pre-LotR. Most (except the Shakespeare :) were out of print when Ballentine began. It's fair to say the pre-LotR Fantasy section at the bookstore was pretty thin before LotR.
Edit: How did a Stand-Alone SciFi list get on to Fantasy history?

I'm not sure that's a fair way to look at it if you look at how many books & how stories were published. Many were published as serials in magazines. A lot more books are published every year now due to technology, population, leisure time, & such. Quality is another aspect to look at. I imagine 90% hasn't endured in any age.

It's also important to note that LOTR was built from some of the tropes set down in some of those books. It is also true that fantasy had been relegated to the category of children's fiction before LOTR despite the number of works that had been written without children in mind. But most adults wouldn't entertain it as appropriate fiction. LOTR made fantasy OK for adults to read the same way Harry Potter later made YA OK for adults to read.
And yeah, this is pretty much a divergence from the main subject here. Sorry to anyone who didn't enjoy the tangent. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program. . .

Which is the only stand-alone SF books I've read since I last posted on this topic 0:)



I guess this is where we get into people's definition of stand alone. For me it means there are no sequels or prequels, not just that it holds up as a novel on its own. I always saw Merchanter's Luck as a direct sequel to Downbelow Station, so in my mind, it doesn't qualify.
These days, if a book gets enough readers, it's almost a guarantee there will be a sequel or a prequel in a year or two, even if it wasn't planned as a series to begin with. So, there are a lot less stand alones than there used to be.

I read Heavytime & Hellburner last year; those two definitely need to be read together (or at least Heavytime first) but they don't really feel like prequels that need to be read before Donwnbelow, even though there's at least one character who appears in both Hellburner & Downbelow Station.

And while I'm updating the Fantasy list, I thought of some recent stand-alone scifi...
The Circle,
The Girl with All the Gifts,
Saturn Run,
Aurora,
Dark Orbit,
The Water Knife,
The Heart Goes Last,
Planetfall
Recent stand-alone scifi novels that happen to have sequels (you don't have to read)...
The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet,
The Circle,
The Girl with All the Gifts,
Saturn Run,
Aurora,
Dark Orbit,
The Water Knife,
The Heart Goes Last,
Planetfall
Recent stand-alone scifi novels that happen to have sequels (you don't have to read)...
The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet,

It's set in the future when the human race has died out all but a small ship of several hundred thousand. They find a terraformed planet but there are complications due to the animals which have evolved there. I won't say too much more than that, but I really enjoyed and admired the way in which the author developed the alien culture and explained it. Wonderfully imaginative.

Actually, just realised there is another book supposedly so I guess not stand-alone... How did I go all these years without realising there was another book? Anyway I'll leave this here anyway cause its a great book haha

Oddly I've read To Say Nothing of the Dog but haven't read Doomsday Book, at the time I also didn't know there was a series.


I don't know if it was the same with To Say Nothing of the Dog, but Doomsday Book didn't really leave any loose ends. It wasn't a book that left me hanging or made me think there must be a sequel and the ending was pretty perfect from what I remember (its been a long while since I read it now though). Looked it up though and apparently the other two books don't involve the same characters or story line (other than being about time-traveling historians), so I guess you could still call these stand-alone novels since they aren't dependent on one another. Certainly Doomsday Book can be read on its own.
As much as I loved that book for some reason I never read more of her. Really should apparently!
NekroRider wrote: "Looked it up though and apparently the other two books don't involve the same characters or story line.."
Blackout & All Clear are a duology, one story divided into two books. And it would be a very good idea to have read Fire Watch, Willis's first novella of the Oxford Time Travelers, before starting Blackout. They do have some characters in common (e.g. Mr. Dunworthy, and even Doomsday Book's Kivrin in a minor role.)
Blackout & All Clear are a duology, one story divided into two books. And it would be a very good idea to have read Fire Watch, Willis's first novella of the Oxford Time Travelers, before starting Blackout. They do have some characters in common (e.g. Mr. Dunworthy, and even Doomsday Book's Kivrin in a minor role.)


I did however read Three Men in a Boat by Jerome K. Jerome in advance of reading Willis' book. How could I not when the author's first and last name was the same :)

I did howeve..."
https://www.goodreads.com/series/5298...

& I just got a copy of The Wrong Stars by Tim Pratt, which looks like fun & is, as far as I can tell, a stand alone

Kenna grew up rough, mostly living belowdecks on transport ships, though he's heir to a noble family called to discover & live by their own Inevitable Truth. He finds himself feeling at home for the first time in the kitchen of the Sol Majestic -- but there's a chance the restaurant, critical to the economy of its space station, may go under even as the staff prep for a once-in-a-lifetime feast
In some ways, the sci fi elements of the story--I'll leave you to discover the secrets of the Escargone--are bells & whistles (I could imagine a similar tale set in an ordinary kitchen), but what delightful bells & whistles they are
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