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What is your favourite way vampires are portrayed? Name the book! *MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS!*
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I really loved Nora Roberts' "Circle" trilogy. The first book is "Morrigan's Cross." Of course, I'm a huge fan of hers anyway.
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Phoebe wrote: "I like the vampires from the Drake Chronicles, they're cool :)"they are very cool! who is your favorite?? mine is either Logan or Connor!!!!
Bill wrote: "Grace wrote: "Twilight totally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"Diane wrote: "Twilight vampires and Anne Rice's vampires are my favorites."
Since there are no vampires in Twilight, you both need to fix your r..."
We get it, you don't think twilight vampires are vampires. You've said it often enough.
I don't share your view.
Diane wrote: "We get it, you don't think twilight vampires are vampires. You've said it often enough."I don't think anything of the sort. I KNOW it. I've even given proof that Twilight contains zero vampires. Ignoring me or downplaying me doesn't change facts.
Bill wrote: "Diane wrote: "We get it, you don't think twilight vampires are vampires. You've said it often enough."I don't think anything of the sort. I KNOW it. I've even given proof that Twilight contains ..."
Agree to disagree.
I would love for people to share my view of vampires but I'm generally okay with them having different opinions.
If you're territorial about the term vampire that's your problem. If you're bothered that not everyone shares your views on "vampire facts" then that's your problem.
Diane wrote: "Agree to disagree. "Why? I'm right. Period. Don't like it? I don't like gravity, but I don't argue against it.
Diane wrote: "Bill wrote: "Diane wrote: "We get it, you don't think twilight vampires are vampires. You've said it often enough."I don't think anything of the sort. I KNOW it. I've even given proof that Twili..."
You know... just because you paint a horse white and black doesn't make it a zebra. This applies to fiction as well, particularly Twilight in this case.
Haven't we been through this before? Lots of vampires, lots of deviations. Even in old mythology and in other cultures. A lot of authors have deviated from the traditional model as well.
If you have a problem with people thinking you're wrong, then so be it.
@Delirate: Zebras are real. And I'm sure there is a good and universally accepted meaning and list of characteristics.
Vampires are not.
Diane wrote: "Haven't we been through this before? Lots of vampires, lots of deviations. Even in old mythology and in other cultures. A lot of authors have deviated from the traditional model as well.
If you h..."
Obviously zebras are real. My point is that just because you paint a horse black and white, it doesn't mean that it's a zebra. It's still a horse. Where in that post did I not say that zebras aren't real?
The problem with Meyer's interpretation is that her lore overlaps way to closely with faeries. But of course, ignore this for the sake of your fangirl-clouded judgement.
Deliriate wrote: "Diane wrote: "Haven't we been through this before? Lots of vampires, lots of deviations. Even in old mythology and in other cultures. A lot of authors have deviated from the traditional model as ..."
I'm just saying your comparison isn't exactly a good one and doesn't necessarily apply.
With what? The sparkling?
Not all faeries/fairies sparkle. I haven't read about blood drinking fairies. Or fairies made of marble.
If a vampire was blue skinned, would you suggest the author label it as the creatures from avatar? Or aliens?
Diane wrote: "Deliriate wrote: "Diane wrote: "Haven't we been through this before? Lots of vampires, lots of deviations. Even in old mythology and in other cultures. A lot of authors have deviated from the tra..."
Or maybe you refused to acknowledge it.
But, true there aren't any blood drinking faeries. Of course not all faeries sparkle. But, they do spend an awful lot of time in the forest molesting animals. <-- sarcasm, btw.
Actually, lol.. I should have researched it some more. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_do_fai...
Here you go.
Deliriate wrote: "Diane wrote: "Deliriate wrote: "Diane wrote: "Haven't we been through this before? Lots of vampires, lots of deviations. Even in old mythology and in other cultures. A lot of authors have deviat..."
Can't give any more twilight vampire /faerie comparisons? (other than that poor joke?)
You know what creatures also drink blood? Vampires. I don't get your point, unless twilight vampires have overwhelmingly similar traits to faeries.
Deliriate wrote: "As well as this page:http://web.singnet.com.sg/~yisheng/ho..."
Great to know vampire and faeries mythology overlap a lot. I'm kind of surprised at similarity of the spirit forms of these creatures, but that's cool.
Also the "Fanged, clawed, and with pointed fangs and blood red eyes" fairie (BARGUESTS), doesn't this share similarities with non-twilight vampires?
Should we call them faeries as well? haha
Diane wrote: "A lot of authors have deviated from the traditional model as well."Here's the kicker, though: None of them have deviated from the leech's feed on humans. Ever.
They may feed on their blood, their life force, their sexual energy... but it's always human.
ALWAYS .
So, again (and I'll hammer this point each and every time it comes up, because it's fact, regardless of how you and all the other fangirls try to shrug it off):
There are NO vampires in Twilight. None. Zero. Zilch.
Bill wrote: "Here's the kicker, though: None of them have deviated from the leech's feed on humans. Ever.."
Anne Rice's vampire chronicles, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, The elder scrolls, Dark Shadows, Supernatural, Underworld, Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter.
So clearly there are a lot of Vampires that can feed on animals.
Diane wrote: "Bill wrote: "Here's the kicker, though: None of them have deviated from the leech's feed on humans. Ever.."
Anne Rice's vampire chronicles, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, The elder scrolls, Dark Shado..."
Rice's vampires all fed on human blood. Strike one.
Buffy's vampires fed on humans. That's why she hunted them. Strike 2.
I played the Elder Scrolls games. Funny... I seem to recall needing to kill NPCs in order not to die.
http://uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Vampirism
http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Vampirism...
Strike 3.
You're arguing with someone with extensive knowledge of vampires. It's like arguing with gravity: You are going to lose.
Here is the list I referenced from, feel free to browse. List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fictionStrike 1 rebuttal:
Louis fed on rat blood for a time.
Strike 2 rebuttal:
There was a time when Buffy fed Spike animal blood.
Also worth noting as stated in Vampire_(Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer)
"Like all vampires, those of the Buffyverse live on a diet of blood (preferably human, though that of other mammals will do)."
No rebuttal three since I haven't played it and I really don't want to research it.
There are also other examples you didn't mention.
My own book (see my author page.) I got really tired of useless vampires and ones who whined about "Oh, I'm young and immortal, boo hoo hoo" when they weren't low-functioning monsters. I do enjoy Betsy, queen of the vampires as she's very low-complaint and funny.
I like the Moroi and Dhampires in VA but the Strigoi aren't all that menacing. They kinda suck as evil vampires (no pun intended).I loved the vamps in Lost Boys and Blade. And I'm really starting to like Klaus in TVD.
Of course, if you want to go beyond the 'standard' vampire legends i.e. burning in sunlight/stake through the heart etc. and look at the psychological side of things then the best vampire if all time is...
Hannibal Lecter.
make no Mistake..Bram stoker's DRACULA!!! You can NEVER replace the original manuscript & idea however much following century rips off it or evolves it to their own versions!! However..after all that time..best idea describing vampires have come out in Japanese mangas..so 'Blood-The Last vampire','Blade series' & even Anne Rice's 'Interview With A Vampire'(hated the movie..didn't live up to the book)
Diane wrote: "Here is the list I referenced from, feel free to browse. List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fictionStrike 1 rebuttal:
Louis fed on rat blood for a time.
Strike 2 rebuttal:
There was a time w..."
Louis tried to feed on small animals, but they weren't satisfying him. Rice strongly hinted that part of the feeding involved taking life force or emotions, so the best he would ever be able to do was subsistence... eventually, he would have ended up like Lestat at the start of the second book.
Wikipedia is a bad source, and if you look at the top of that article, it flat-out says it has serious issues.
Selene points out that the blood they live on is synthetic human blood, and suitable for transfusions. Not sure what that was trying to prove.
I've never watched Dark Shadows (movie or TV show), so I won't comment of how Barnabus Collins feeds. It was a soap opera, so it likely has the same factual errors that Twilight has.
I haven't read many vamp books (besides Twilight-months of my life I will never get back) but I have seen 'Interview with a Vampire' and thought it was pretty good. I like vamps being portrayed as what they really are (don't hate me); monsters. Because that's what they are, although VERY interesting to read about. If you're going to write about them, might as well make it crazy, wild, sadistic and ruthless!!
Bill wrote: "Diane wrote: "Here is the list I referenced from, feel free to browse. List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fictionStrike 1 rebuttal:
Louis fed on rat blood for a time.
Strike 2 rebuttal:
The..."
From http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire and http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire
Vampires (also known as Vampyrs and as Van-Tal in the dimension Pylea) are soulless demons that can only exist on Earth by leaving their own dimension and possessing human corpses. They are hybrids, and are thus despised by other, "purer" demon species. They are well-known for feeding on the blood of mammals, particularly humans.
From http://vampirechronicles.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire
Feeding
They need blood, but in some cases not every night (David Talbot suggests most "newborn" vampires must drink heavily every night, himself included). Human blood is preferred as it is more nutritious and tastes the best, but animal blood can also be drunk.
From http://underworld.wikia.com/wiki/Ziodex_Industries
The company is said to manufacture synthetic plasma and has been leading research in the cloning of blood, which, by the time of Underworld, the Vampires drink instead of cattle or human blood.
Your statement in reply to my "A lot of authors have deviated from the traditional model as well." was "Here's the kicker, though: None of them have deviated from the leech's feed on humans. Ever."
NO AUTHORS EVER. As you can see you can't prove that because some authors have and, I suspect, will write about vampires that don't necessarily need to feed on human blood.
Also I forgot to mention that Twilight has some non-"vegetarian" vampires. You pointed out that vampires feed on human blood, well there are vampires that do that in twilight, so your statement that "there are no vampires in twilight" does not quite make sense with your reasoning.
S.L.J. wrote: "Of course, if you want to go beyond the 'standard' vampire legends i.e. burning in sunlight/stake through the heart etc. and look at the psychological side of things then the best vampire if all time is...Hannibal Lecter.
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Ah I didn't think of it that way. Good choice.
Using fan wikis to prove a point.Yeah... this conversation is over. I win.
Bill wrote: "Using fan wikis to prove a point.Yeah... this conversation is over. I win."
You didn't prove anything. You pointed out I use wikis but used wikis to prove your Elder Scrolls point. UNOFFICIAL ELDER SCROLL PAGES.
You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. But you're welcome to go right ahead and stop embarrassing yourself.
Preying on humans? Yeah, that's kind of the point of vampires.
Preying on humans and preying on animals are not mutually exclusive activities. I think people are just being nit-picky now.
Whether or not people consider animal blood drinkers a type of vampire, I don't particularly care. Opinions are opinions.
The Vampire Diaries by L.J Smith
I loved the way vampires were being portrayed in the Vampire Academy series. ;D
Kahlan wrote: "I loved the way vampires were being portrayed in the Vampire Academy series. ;D"
Me too. :)
Me too. :)
Vampire Academy because you can really see how they fit in with our world and truely kept secret but walking among us.I also like the whole concept of the school, powers, and how you're turned in the House of Night series
Just because I never get to spike the ball in the end zone...Contrary to what Hollywood would have you believe, most vampire lore agrees that a leech doesn't need to kill to feed. Therefore, certain stories reference leeches keeping tame humans around for feeding purposes. Those people are referred to as "cattle."
Hey, look... that Underworld reference talks about... cattle... which basically proves my point for me!
OH... and there's a difference between using a fan wiki to prove lore, and a game wiki referencing game mechanics. Learn the difference for the next time you wish to call me a hypocrite, sore loser.
Jennifer wrote: "My own book (see my author page.) I got really tired of useless vampires and ones who whined about "Oh, I'm young and immortal, boo hoo hoo" when they weren't low-functioning monsters. I do enjoy..."I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be rude but don't you think that's a bit snobby. Since you are saying YOUR book is the best.
Diane wrote: "Opinions are opinions. ""I *like* Vampires" is an opinion.
"Vampires are portrayed as x y and z in literature" is a statement of fact and interpretation.
"I *like* the way Vampires are portrayed in Twilight" is an opinion.
The Twilight Vampires are not vampires according to the way most people have understood or written about the term" Vampire" for a couple of hundred years" Is also a statement of fact and interpretation.
"I *like* the fact that Stephanie Meyer has redefined the concept of Vampires" is simply stupidity.
Vampire AcademyBloodlines
Morganville Vampires
"None of them have deviated from the leech's feed on humans. Ever."Is presented as fact but is actually not. If you're proclaiming victory over not actually proving that then you look absolutely ridiculous.
To win aforementioned argument you'd actually need to prove your point, that's kind of the whole deal. Prove that no authors ever have portrayed vampires that deviated from the norm of drinking human blood.
"there's a difference between using a fan wiki to prove lore, and a game wiki referencing game mechanics"
LOL @ this. Sounds like "My wiki is better than your wiki." Despite that fact that both are maintained by mods and can be edited by fans.
"Vampires vary greatly in description" is a fact.The only defining characteristic of vampires that is present in all portrayals is that they feed life essence or blood. This is also fact.
Preying on humans is the point of vampires is an interpretation and an opinion.
sookie stackhouse novels!
Diane wrote: " Sounds like "My wiki is better than your wiki.""...which it is. Are you seriously suggesting that a website respected for its information on The Elder Scrolls games is less reliable than a fan wiki?
I just verified the info on vampirism in my Oblivion strategy guide, by the way. I also infected my Skyrim Nord with vampirism via console commands, and verified that you cannot feed on anything other than NPCs. I got the console commands from the UESP wiki, by the way.
Seriously... you can play the sore loser to your heart's content, but it will not make you any less wrong.
Bill wrote: "Diane wrote: " Sounds like "My wiki is better than your wiki.""...which it is. Are you seriously suggesting that a website respected for its information on The Elder Scrolls games is less reliab..."
Oh look, so insulted for the comparison. The fact of the matter is that fanwikis have dedicated mods and can be edited by fans. Crey for the injustice oh frustrated self proclaimed winner.
Also I found out that not only Spike drank animal blood at a time, Angel did too. Also Harmony. Only saw the Spike part but you can check with whatever sources to verify this.
Still waiting for you to disprove anyone wrote about vampires who drank animal blood. Since you know, you said no authors did this.
Did I ever say a vampire never drank animal blood? Nope. I said they all drink human blood. Every one of them. They all live on it.Who doesn't drink human blood? Edward and his family.
Ergo, Edward and his family are not... are not... ARE NOT... vampires.
I can do this all day long, loser.
Diane wrote: "A lot of authors have deviated from the traditional model as well."Bill wrote:
Here's the kicker, though: None of them have deviated from the leech's feed on humans. Ever.
They may feed on their blood, their life force, their sexual energy... but it's always human.
ALWAYS HUMAN. That was your point. But some vampires can feed on animal blood too so your point doesn't really hold.
Bill wrote: There are NO vampires in Twilight. None. Zero. Zilch.
There are vampires in twilight who do feed in human blood. Sooo....
??? LOL
Bill wrote: I can do this all day long, loser.I can't; I have a job sorry.
Vampire Diaries love how there fangs pop out
