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Feb 23, 2013 04:18PM

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I like it when they do normal things like using the toilet or vomiting after a really bad fight, it makes them likable (more human). -Right now I am just thinking of Zsadist changing Nallas nappies and I'd love to witness that one ;)- sorry, different writer and series, lol.
In SKs books I was surprised that after quite a few books where the daimons were portraied as evil and soulsucking (which they are) that she turned around and showed where they were coming from. Indroduced us to apolite society and explained why some turned evil to survive (it can't be good to die at 27 the way they do). It used to be all black and white and now it is plenty shades of grey.
I like that the DHs are individuals and sometimes don't like each other either. Can't be all sunshine all the time and it makes them more realistic.

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But I was meaning in general really. As I keep coming across people in different groups that read PNR or even UF stories and they keep talking about how unrealistic a particular sequence or scene is in a book. And I'm just sitting there thinking A) it's fiction and B) why seek out realism at all in a very fantastical story period? Especially as reading is supposed to be relaxing and a fun escape. Why the need to read about characters dealing with bills they can't pay? Or someone getting beat up or something else.
All that stuff aside though. I do expect a certain level of realism in my heroines. I get the author can't pin down just so how all women are in one heroine. But at the same time, I also don't WANT to see a heroine being too far fetched. As in accepting any kind of treatment from a super domineering alpha male character. I can't stand that the heroine has no back bone to say get your hands off me. If he is trying to distract her with sex.
Or even worse when the author writes in the story that sex is a cure all for everything. Character is losing their mind, have sex. Character is feeling weak, have sex. Heroine or hero is asking too many questions, guess what? Have sex as a distraction. I don't know how most are living their lives but sex is not the answer to everything. Nor is it a band aid either.

The sex thing is kindo cool but I haven't come across a male yet that does that. Usually they are too distracted with other shit to do so (even hubby doesn't get the hint that if he would do more sex he could get away with more shit than he actually is). How I envy those heroines that get laid like 4 or 5 times a day ROFL.

I guess it is a matter of perception really. But I've definitely seen some of that behavior in the current Singh book I'm reading a a couple of other works. It's really annoying. And nothing wrong with getting it on so often. Just when you do not much else in the book and it's not a erotica story or something. Then yawnfest.



Unfortunately I have met some air heads in real life, and I assume that's what they were based on. They live, they breath, they get through life and I wonder how?!?

The reason that I love reading books from genres other than contemporary (i like historical romance, PNR, fantasy and YA) is because I love how authors are able to whisk me away from all the realities in my life. That for a brief moment while reading, I can forget about how crappy the traffic is or how utterly annoying my co-worker can be.
That said, realism in fantasy books, at least to me, means that readers can connect with the character on an emotional level. I get that how writers think they need to write about characters absolutely drop dead gorgeous and insanely rich. But what I can't forgive is writing TSL heroes/heroines who happens to be the savior of the world because sheer twist of fate.
This is the reason why I like tormented characters. Experiencing pain, loss and betrayal, I don't think it can get any real than that.




For me, I would have to say when I used to be a member of a group on here that read all kinds of books from historical fiction, contemporary romance, paranormal romance, etc. I would pretty much read outside of my genre at least a couple of times a month. As there also used to be birthday reads that other people would recommend and sometimes it would be a short, light, funny contemporary story. Or sometimes it would be a really moody, emotional, tear-jerker Novel. And actually led me to breaking up the monotony of PNR and UF books.
I will say the genres that lures me away the most lately is erotica, m/m stories, most historical fiction over Egyptian history or to do with some of the older Kings and Queens of England, some Contemporary Romance, and even a few YA reads as well. Although not as many of those have intrigued me like they used to when I was in my teens. But every so often there is a few I just gotta try out.
So what about you guys?






That's funny you mention Highlanders Jessica. I may not can read the stories on them. But I admit some of those book covers are tasty for sure. ;)



I havent read anything in the Women's murder club series tho, gotta look those up





My best friend and I both read each other books and have very similar taste in reading. We use a "compared to the Highlander Series" scale to rate our books when we're recommending a book to each other. Truly, KKM's Highlander series is a standard to live up to.

My ideal hero is has a heart of gold and a tortured past. Looks are only important in so much as he's hot, really big and hot. He has to be quirky, charming and dangerous.
My ideal heroine is harder to spell out. She THINKS! She doesn't ask for help from some man and then throw herself into danger anyway, based on some notion that he's only protecting her because she's a girl. Oh, I'm not against a feminist heroine per se, I just want one smart enough to choose her battles and turn those she's clearly unsuited for over to someone who is. She's sensible and uses what resources she has at her disposal. If strategy is her forte, that's what she does. If fighting is her style, ditto. If she has to show a bit too much leg to get ahead in the game, she'll do that too. She's just too smart to be so proud that she'd act foolishly trying to make some point. In other words, she's confident of her worth as a woman and a person, and doesn't have a thing to prove to anyone, least of all the hero. That's my ideal heroine.
Funny how I'm much more picky about my heroines than my heroes. I think it's because it's their skin I'm sort of sinking into when I read a romance, and I like for it to be at least like-able skin.

In turn too, I would love to see more heroes accepting the heroine's own strength. And not feel like she has to be protected all the time just because she is a woman. Yes, for the most part women are the fairer sex and most times the weaker one physically. But when the heroine has a kick ass plan, be man enough, hero, and go with it. Don't slack off and get uber macho, beat on your chest protecting her or even doing the whole distract her with sex thing. Nothing annoys me more than when that happens.

Dhfan4life wrote: "So for our first question of the day. I'm curious to know, as a reader, how much realism do you expect in your stories? Meaning do you expect the hero and heroine to have more traits like an ordina..."
If I wanted reality I would be reading non-fiction! Although I don't want dirty diapers to smell like roses I think one description would give the gist!

But yeah, a man comfortable enough and secure enough to let a "girl" lead every now and again is sexy. But I don't blame the men when they get all Neanderthal really. "Protect female" is a biological instinct in some very good men out there. So I don't get to ticked off with them.
I recently read an interesting discussion about whether we give more leeway behavior wise to paranormal heroes because of how they are portrayed as rather animalistic with a big emphasis on instincts and predatory drives and that sort of thing. It sort of gives them an excuse to be so very primal and possessive. It also gives the heroines an excuse to put up with such behavior.
It gave me something to think about. I probably do let paranormal heroes get away with a lot of Neanderthal behavior and still find them sexy.

Interesting discussion you read Robbie. And I would have to agree. I give some leeway to paranormal characters on some level. But to a certain extent, even I can't stand it after a while. A bit too caveman for me and I have to quit the series. Just not as fun.

Exactly, my point. It's fiction and fun. No need to overly expect too much realism in fiction when there is going to be a certain surreal level of fantasy and rules the characters live by to get by in THEIR world. Just cause it looks like our's on some level, still doesn't mean it's ours.


are we going to be immortal if we didn't inherit the original sin? oh and i don't know if i remember it correctly but isn't it that original sin is removed or pardoned when we get baptized?

I was shooting for typical 7 deadly sin variety, sin. But this original sinning stuff seems a bit interesting. I feel like I should know it. But I don't think I do. So laymen's terms ladies if ya don't mind. What is it? And does it involve Jesus?



And sorry for not posting a new question of the day. I totally went to bed early and didn't get back on here. So new question of the day is about connecting with former classmates or co-workers through social media.
Would you or have you ever connected with any old classmates through any form of social media? And how did it go (who found who first?, great experience, not so great experience, or avoided it at all cost)?

I have to say thus far I'm just shocked in general that he has even remembered me, to even consider this a good, bad, or indifferent experience really. I'm also debating if it would really be worth it to connect with him or not. His title associated with his message said he works with the Target store group. So not sure if he could be a networking connection for a job there maybe. Or if it would be one of those situations where you just connect to someone and see how each other turned out after so long a time and nothing but shooting the breeze comes from it. Which to say isn't a positive in it's own right. But not like we were besties in school way back when either. Hmmm.


what are challenge threads?

Challenge threads essentially just make reading more interesting. Like for instance I was thinking of creating one where readers can pick out books that start with the letters of their favorite DH character's name. Set a start and end date on it. Could be a interesting way to check out other books fellow members are reading as well, add new ones to our TBR lists if they are good, and in general add a little more activity to the group.
Oh and a example of the challenge thread I was just talking about, would be something like.
Start date March 1st, 2013-Finish date May 1st, 2013
V-

A-

L-

E-

R-

I-

U-

S-

So see, you would list your reads. Complete your reads and people can talk about what they think of the books and so forth.
I've even seen a few challenge threads where you find particular things in the cover or the title. Like say there is a list of items to find like, apple, car, hat, feather, then people that participate in that particular challenge they find those items in various books. I know there is a group on the site devoted to nothing but challenges. So not sure if anybody is really all that interested in doing more of them if they are already joined in that group or others that have them.

I'd love to have a challenge thread.
Now to answer that last question. Back when myspace was huge (it always takes me a while to jump on the social networking thing) I joined and only really talked to long distant relatives and my friends. I had no real idea how the site even worked, I didnt even have a profile picture for about a year. Out of the blue a girl I use to be friends with in elementary school in a whole nother state contacted me. I thought it was crazy that she still thought of me and wondered how she knew it was me. She said my name (I have a unique one) and bday seemed right. It was cool for a week and then she stopped talking to me which was fine because there were other ppl I was closer to. Then I sent her a message to see how she was doing one day and not a minute later she posts on her status that she needs to delete ppl she no longer talks to and has no reason to converse with. I was like "whaaaat??". I learned my lesson and deleted her and made my profile private. I still do that to this day with social sites. I don't want just anyone looking me up like that again

Shari-amor wrote: "That sounds mad cool DhFan.
I'd love to have a challenge thread.
Now to answer that last question. Back when myspace was huge (it always takes me a while to jump on the social networking thing) I..."
I know that feeling, but I don't try to take anything that happens on social webpages for serious. If someone is whining about too many requests of gameing or that people bully or similar, I just unfriend them. On most social sites you can block people or delete them from your site. Keeping everything private is a good solution, Shari. After I read an article about what people can use your info for (identity theft and similar), I went through all my privacy settings and blocked off a lot. I ignore friend requests if I don't know the people and if I can I try to find out why they want to be friends with me (happened of fb as one of my friends is a gamer and his game buddies always look for new members). I don't really have trouble with old schoolmates though, they are all nice and civilized. :)

And nope, I was going to add a new folder and come up with a few different threads. Also if any of you guys had ideas for challenges could add those too in that folder. But my question about if you guys actually wanted to have a thread or two for them WAS the question of the day. I just wanted to see if anybody had interest in those or not around here. As there are some groups already have them going and I didn't want to over burden anybody here with them.
I say it's a good policy in general to set all social accounts to private. Unless you are in a familiar enough setting where you don't feel like someone would take your personal I.D. and all that. And normally I wouldn't mind if it is someone I have talked to more actively over the years. But the randomness of someone I haven't seen since elementary still is odd. I talked to another friend about it and he said the former classmate sounded kind of desperate if he was reaching out after this long of a time and we haven't had any other association. To which I concur that it feels the same to me. So I just deleted his email.

I'd love to have a challenge thread.
Now to answer that last question. Back when myspace was huge (it always takes me a while to jump on the social networking thing) I..."
Sorry to hear that person did you that way Shari. I hate when someone acts so interested to reach out. And then they turn snippy like that. I agree with Manuela, you can delete and block folks in various social networking situations. But still on a personal tip when you are thinking you are re-building a rapport with someone and to get cold-cocked like that. Is not only rude but a bit hurtful too.
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