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Dhfan4life, Honey Bun
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Jan 09, 2015 10:14AM
Oh I know it. Just I'll be in vegetable like state there after for a little while.
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I wish I wasn't working that day, otherwise I'd be more than happy to participate. =)
Not sure how much reading you have to do for work. But hey to some extent I think that could count for a few hours. May not be the most fun reading but a way of participating lol.
I get to read for an hour ... on my lunch break. =)
Even better. You found your loop hole Charlotte. ;)
Charlotte wrote: "I get to read for an hour ... on my lunch break. =)"I read at lunch too, and before I go to work and when I come home from work and in the evening and at night and on the weekend, public holidays.
I used to be able to read at lunch when I was in school. Can't try that at work now as I only get like 30 mins and if I'm lucky and the damn time clock is working like it should I can even get to enjoy the 30 mins.
:( sorry to read that Cherale, I have only 30 min too but still get to read while eating. Nothing comes between me and my books, NOTHING. I swear.
Ya know, with my time frame at work that should really push me more than anything to get my e-reader set up and working. Cause for sure prior to getting the job I used to always carry a book with me to interviews and read company notes and chapters to the place and even while waiting if there was time. So maybe that will be another resolution, get the e-reader working!
You still can take a book with you, I do! Yes I have my kindle with me 80% of the time but if I am reading a book, I will take it and read it whenever I can. And... You know Murphy's Law, right. When I have to go somewhere (like SA Transport for car registration, Medical Centre to visit my GP etc) and I don't have something to read I sit there for hours waiting. If I have a book I usually get really pissed off because I have much less to wait and therefore less time to read. It's true, I swear, honestly. XD
Oh I know I could. But I swear at most of these schools as organized as they are for the kids, they seem to be just as UNorganized for their administrative staff. I swear I went to one place they barely could tell me where I could put my coat and lunch box. Nearly had to guide it out of another side secretary one day, by saying maybe I don't know, stop me if this is too much to ask, but I could use your fridge to put my lunch in there? And wait is that coat rack available to subs to use over there? So to imagine taking a book and them likely not having a clue where it wondered off to if it doesn't fit into a coat pocket or something would wig me out immensely. Besides that, I just would hate to take something too leisurely to a work spot and have them think I'm not being professional, ya know? But yea I've taken plenty of books other places for sure. Definitely the doc's office and jury duty as long as they make you wait you need a book and a lunch sometimes.
So here is something I never thought to consider before. Possibly because I'm not that religious. But I thought this would be a interesting question to pose after coming across this thread-http://christianchat.com/bible-discus...Do YOU think romance novels are sinful?
HAHA, yea pending which ones you are reading I guess. Most especially if there is a quivering member or a "love tunnel" is involved.
I don't sin on very many other things so I will take this. Christian believes do vary as much as you can find different Christian religious groups. Just the big TWO, protestant and catholic, are so different already that it gets really confusing once you venture into all the splinter groups and the variations and sects and their beliefs.
I'll second that. Cause if romance novels is the biggest sin we have going, then I'll be more than happy to take it.
LMAO probably! depends on if its just that, romance or not, and the book in general. lmao but yeah what manuela said
I still don't get what sin it could be. I mean they are just books. And in romance novels, even the cheesiest of ones, there is somebody falling in love, having some babies and getting married, and riding off into the sunset. If anything it's Disney for grown ups. Sure might be some different variations of the tale and a few extra naughty perks along the way. But really how sinful can it be reading a book about love between two fictional characters?
Ok let me give you the sin 101 here. Love making (or as we call it S-E-X) is for procreation ONLY!!! Not for fun like dolphins do.
Dhfan4life wrote: "I still don't get what sin it could be. I mean they are just books. And in romance novels, even the cheesiest of ones, there is somebody falling in love, having some babies and getting married, and..."They burned books for less!!!
That question made me think! No, they are not sinful as long as you do not allow them to take over your life and remember that they are just make believe!
Manuela wrote: "Ok let me give you the sin 101 here. Love making (or as we call it S-E-X) is for procreation ONLY!!! Not for fun like dolphins do."
pretty much. sex is just such an openly spoken about topic and done kind of thing now in matters of "wants" and doing things to make urself happy rather than for procreation. im not a super religious person and have my own opinions, etc. so i wont shun certain things, etc. but ure very right that sex is for procreation only as far as sins go. and thats a belief that isnt just in the christian religion either. its in others too.
Well when you bring dolphins into it, nothing but that "You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals" song jumps into my head Manuela, lol.Burned and banned for less indeed. Which is still very sad I think. Sure we can't all think alike all the time. But banning knowledge of any kind just does more harm than good.
Good point Veronica. I think the same could be said for folks that take reading the romances to the level of an addiction.
I hear you both on the sex is for procreation aspect too. But here's another question. Would one say it's more sinful to have sex for fun/non-procreation purposes, or to engage in marital sex(with your own spouse of course) and never wish to procreate?
Is sex only for procreation? I do not think so. Everything in moderation I say and when was sex classified as sinful?
I think right around the time men discovered they had a outward hanging appendage and other dangly bits and started thinking they could rule the world.
Ha! Ha! men! what simple creatures they are. We let them think that they are in charge and we do anything we we want sex included.
Usually how it works. ;)
A proper Biblical view of sex means it's NOT just for procreation. It's the ultimate way for a husband and wife to show their love to each other. The Song of Solomon is all about sex, and it has nothing to do with having kids. It's all about two people who are betrothed (engaged) delighting in each other's bodies and looking forward to the day when they're married and can take utter delight in each other.As to whether or not romance novels are sinful, you'll get as many answers as there are types of churches. Personally, I do believe for me that some romance novels it would be a sin to read them. A proper Biblical view of sex is that it's reserved for a husband and wife ONLY. All other partaking in sex is a sin.
In some ways, romance novels show us what sex is SUPPOSED to be: all about taking physical delight in the person you're married to.
As to whether or not it's a sin for a Christian to read them, that line is going to be different for every Christian. My line is erotic heat levels or anything that's all about the sex instead of the relationship and what's happening outside the bedroom.
I agree if there is no relationship leading to the sex then that is just porn in written form but aren't all romance novels like this? or are there other kinds of romance novels.
Well given there are various sub genres of romances, from historical to Christian. I think there are some twists where there starts out to be a regular couple going to approach the aisle and then the chick find someone or something more meaningful or better to go after than the marriage.Like for this book-
I know the main character was engaged and set to marry someone. But once she found her ideal wedding dress and was doing research on it and the history behind it, she seemed to wake up and realize she was marrying the wrong guy. Can't recall though if she married someone else though.And I know for the most part, with the historical ones somebody is set to be engaged. But yea usually end up exploring things further with someone more dashing, debonair, more lands, and becomes their new hubby. But yea typically the goal is to be married in those. But I think that is more product of our history and treatment of women during those times, as much as for religious reasons too.
Whenever religion enters the situation things get complicated and distorted and confusing!The main purpose of romance novels is a form of escapism
and if there are historical and cultural references thrown in then it becomes interesting. But nothing beats the great real romances like Anthony and Cleopatra,Napoleon and Josephine (before his mistresses) Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton (dirty and gritty) ah the paths to romance.
I will tip my hat to that one and agree Veronica. As well as add to thine ownself be true. If it feels wrong to you, don't do it. If it feels right, pending on what it is, it's between you and God at that point. But I'll keep my escapism. And come to think of this topic, I think if I ever meet another author I'll see if I can get them to write in one of my books, that they are my #1 sinner, lol. That would be a hoot.
I have heard about these couples time and again Veronica. Even read a Cleopatra book or two. But I still don't get what was so epic about them. Do enlighten the young'in over here.
In the case of Napoleon and Josephine,Napoleon fell hard and fast it was said that while he was at war he would write love letters to her and some of them were crazy to say the least;This is when he begs Josephine to join him in Milan "I shall be alone and far away.But you are coming,aren't you? You are going to be here beside me,in my arms,on my breast,on my mouth?Take wing and come,come.....A kiss on your heart,and one much lower down,much lower!It was even said that when he knew was coming home he would tell her not to wash so that he could 'taste the essence of her!'
That was a time when men were men and his letters were sensual and real.( I would blush if any one wrote letters like that to me!)
Anthony and Cleopatra there's were a romance of political origins the that turned into a full blown scale romance that changed the course of history as we know it today. She used Caesar to get to the throne of Egypt and she used Anthony to keep it but the story about them was tragic,passionate and treachery (on both sides)
that should wet your appetite a bit!
Romance spans an incredible range. I don't like stories where it's all about the sex. I read for the growing relationship, and that's the kind of romance I write. I don't read them for the sex because that does nothing for me.Christian romances are a whole 'nother breed of romance. I used to write them, and got fed up with all the restrictions and things I wasn't allowed to do, so I did what's known in the Christian market as crossing over. Best decision I ever made.
Christian romances are very formulaic, more so than even Harlequins. There's a very rigid set of expectations, and a massive part of the readership of Christian romances nitpicks to find things to be offended about. A Christian romance writer who crosses one of those lines WILL get crucified by readers. Loudly and publicly. There will likely even be letters written to the publisher and books thrown in the trash or burned.
I used to read nothing but Christian romance, preferably historical. But I got sick of them, and I got sick of not being able to find what I wanted, which was strong heroes who, at the very least, get 50% of the POV time. That's an almost impossible thing to find in Christian romance.
Rachel wrote: "Romance spans an incredible range. I don't like stories where it's all about the sex. I read for the growing relationship, and that's the kind of romance I write. I don't read them for the sex beca..."Christian romance? what is that? can you give me some names of authors?
Veronica wrote: "In the case of Napoleon and Josephine,Napoleon fell hard and fast it was said that while he was at war he would write love letters to her and some of them were crazy to say the least;This is when h..."Dude I don't even blush but I think I just did at that Napoleon part of things. Historical dirty talk is rather kinky still today I suppose, haha. And funny you mentioned him Veronica. I have a historical fiction book I'm going to be reading about his court so to speak-
Yea, I read about the political aspect of Cleo and Antony and Caesar. Although I took it as more of a story of a woman desperate to do what she could for her home. I still feel sad that much of what happened to her children was a bit lost to history though.
Wow, that sounds kind of rough there Rachel. More power to you for crossing over. Nothing like being limited in what you wish to convey and express. But to write the publisher and all that? That is just too much.
Veronica wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Romance spans an incredible range. I don't like stories where it's all about the sex. I read for the growing relationship, and that's the kind of romance I write. I don't read them f..."Only one I know is Rachel Hauck.
Dhfan4life wrote: "Veronica wrote: "In the case of Napoleon and Josephine,Napoleon fell hard and fast it was said that while he was at war he would write love letters to her and some of them were crazy to say the lea..."I think that you have opened a new reading avenue for me: real historical romances!
Yes, writing to the publisher. Or writing a blog post calling out an author for using words like boobs and junk.I'll give you some names of ones I enjoyed when I read them. The Christianity and faith threads tend to be very strong.
Rachel Hauck writes more romantic than straight romance. For contemporary, check out Susan May Warren and Ronie Kendig. Ronie's faith threads are more subtle, and she writes awesome military heroes. Her Discarded Heroes series is one of my all time favorites.
For historical, Tamera Alexander, Roseanna M. White, Julie Lessman's O'Connor series, both of them. First book is A Passion Most Pure and it goes free a couple times a year. Roseanna's Culper Ring series is phenomenal.
For cozy mystery, Cynthia Hickey. For romantic suspense, Lynette Eason and Terri Blackstock. Terri's best series are Newpointe 911, Cape Refuge, and the Restoration series.
What we're used to with Black Dagger Brotherhood and DH, with 20+ books, does not exist in the Christian market.
Roseanna and Ronie are ones I still read, even though I don't read much else. I'm Roseanna's fashion consultant, and Ronie leans toward hero dominant novels and she's not afraid to push boundaries and portray reality. Her third book in Discarded Heroes got her a lot of pushback and negative reviews, because Canyon and Dani have sex and she fades to black as Canyon is undressing Dani and sliding his hands up her thighs. I don't think it's a coincidence Canyon is one of my favorite heroes, and that book is one of my top 10 favorite books ever.
Dhfan4life wrote: "Veronica wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Romance spans an incredible range. I don't like stories where it's all about the sex. I read for the growing relationship, and that's the kind of romance I write. I ..."Just had a look: Not for me!
And that's fine, Veronica. Christian romance has a very specific type of woman it's aimed at. I'm no longer that type of woman.
Dhfan4life wrote: "I think right around the time men discovered they had a outward hanging appendage and other dangly bits and started thinking they could rule the world."Roflmao
Rachel wrote: "A proper Biblical view of sex means it's NOT just for procreation. It's the ultimate way for a husband and wife to show their love to each other. The Song of Solomon is all about sex, and it has no..."That is so pretty of you to find that. But then most of the Romance novels I read are sin as most of the couples even if they get married in the end have premaritual sex.
That leaves only Barbara Cartland and I can tell you, reading her is quite boring. The hero kisses the heroine right at the end for the first time and nothing else happens. LOL
I prefer reading and writing about real life, with all its disasters and hangups, to having to force myself to read or write a sanitized version of the world that has never existed and never will.
Rachel wrote: "And that's fine, Veronica. Christian romance has a very specific type of woman it's aimed at. I'm no longer that type of woman."Sorry to read that, Rachel, nothing wrong with women who read different stuff, but then we all develope and change.
I started off reading romance when I was in my teens but in those days the language was more bloomy and a lot was just hinted at while nowadays a lot of the books read like manuals (slot A into B, move A in an in-and-out motion, use fingers or tongue to rub C etc.).
I might have started this conversation pretty much with my tongue in cheek as I am reading everything and don't care if it is smut (you may class that as Porn) as long as the characters are strong and have room for development. I don't think sex is a sin but that is me and my personal view. I read what I want as I am a woman born in the 20th century and we are now in the 21st and noone should dictate to anyone else what to do and so on (as long as I don't infringe on someone else with it).
i read a good christian romance book when i was younger but i have no idea who the author was or the title. idk i just remember not even knowing they had more specific genres like that at the time
Veronica wrote: "Dhfan4life wrote: "Veronica wrote: "In the case of Napoleon and Josephine,Napoleon fell hard and fast it was said that while he was at war he would write love letters to her and some of them were c..."Well actually more than real historical romances, but history come alive I think. As some of the historical fiction stories I've read so far have a bit of romance in there but also about a particular point in time too where something significant went down with even more significant historical features.
are two of which I really love.
Rachel wrote: "Yes, writing to the publisher. Or writing a blog post calling out an author for using words like boobs and junk.I'll give you some names of ones I enjoyed when I read them. The Christianity and f..."
Dude, I swear the more I learn about different things. All I can say is I'm just glad there is something for everyone out there. And we can all grow and learn as we go along.
Totally agree with you, Dh!Now that I'm caught up on DH and Psy-Changeling I'm thinking about finally trying Black Dagger Brotherhood. I want another long series I can get lost in.
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