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message 3751: by [deleted user] (new)

Sarah wrote: "I would like to complain that my son is setting up Skype so he can chat with Kitten."

Oh for joy, he said sarcastically. Just what we need heterosexual teen phone sex on Skype. Of frumptious day. Don't any of you have sexually active nice gay boys to tell us about their love lives? Sigh. What a sad lot.


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Aves Raggiana (avesraggiana) | 200 comments Sarah wrote: "Sorry, my son is upstairs chatting with his friend, Kitten. I believe her full name is Your Sex Kitten. I would like to complain that my son is setting up Skype so he can chat with Kitten. "

If I had a son chatting to “Your Sex Kitten”, I would have had a big, mega, major, bellowing, blow-the-house-down, obliterating, nuclear Dad attack! NO WAY!!! Not in my house! At least that’s what I say now, but that's because I’ve never had children.

But I do know this, that’s exactly what my Dad would have done had he caught any of his two sons doing that. Not only would he have walloped us across the back of our heads, sending us flying across the room, he would have also unplugged the computer and thrown the whole thing out of our second floor bedroom window… my father was not a man to be trifled with and even though my younger brother and I grew up to be slightly taller and much stronger than him. we never dared brook his disapproval.

Your son has no idea how lucky he is to be allowed access to women like Your Sex Kitten, and to be growing up at a different, more permissive time.


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Aves wrote: "Sarah wrote: "Sorry, my son is upstairs chatting with his friend, Kitten. I believe her full name is Your Sex Kitten. I would like to complain that my son is setting up Skype so he can chat with Ki..."

when he was in high school, I caught him sending nude photos of himself to another internet friend, Cyber Sex Whore. I swear I am not making up these names. I had a bit of a breakdown, took his computer apart with a screwdriver and hid pieces of it around the house until I calmed down. It took about 2 weeks before I realized there was nothing I could do but make things worse. It took him about an hour to find all the pieces of his computer and put everything back together. He has autism, so online friends are probably the only friends he is going to have, other than his mother, who is trying hard to stay calm.

He still tells me what they are getting up to- mostly role playing, and while role playing, he and Cyber Sex Whore got married and had cubs! It appears she is a werewolf. I think she's gone off to greener pastures now and taken the cubs with her. my only grandchildren! Kitten does at least appear to be human, and he sends her virtual gifts of catnip when she has had a rough day. It's not what I had hoped for him but it could be worse.


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Aves Raggiana (avesraggiana) | 200 comments Sarah wrote: "online friends are probably the only friends he is going to have, other than his mother, who is trying hard to stay calm."

Different situation, entirely, and intuitively I knew I was stepping out of line and putting my foot in it when I wrote my last post. I apologise. Truly.

My parents weren’t blessed with children requiring special needs, they got a gay son instead. Like all mothers, mine had hoped that I would give her grandchildren one day, but these days my mum is just happy that I’m sticking around, and looking after her and my dad in their old age. After all, I’ll probably never have a family of my own, so they’re it.


message 3755: by [deleted user] (new)

Aves wrote: "Sarah wrote: "online friends are probably the only friends he is going to have, other than his mother, who is trying hard to stay calm."

Different situation, entirely, and intuitively I knew I was..."


this is what all the moms want, to have sons sticking around so we can enjoy good company! Family is a lovely broad term that can mean so many things. It's funny, when they're babies you plan for them to join NASA and walk on Mars someday, but by the time they are grown up you just want them to be happy! Just that, and it is so much bigger and harder than walking on Mars.


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Roger Kean | 17278 comments Averin wrote: "I detest that when I'm researching something, as in trying to recall the name of an artist whose work I once saw, stupid YouTube seduces me and leads me on. Implies that it has exactly what I'm loo..."

Oh thanks, Averin. Really, thanks for delivering wasting 06.8 minutes of delight my life with a moving trashy piece of French nouvelle gai vague. :))


message 3757: by Goesta (new)

Goesta Roger wrote: "nouvelle gai vague"

Disgusted at myself for avariciously scribbling that phrase into my little black notebook of filched verbal brilliance.


message 3758: by [deleted user] (last edited Jun 06, 2013 09:23AM) (new)

I hereby complain again that I'm doing another book giveaway. This time the prize is an e-copy of Roger Kean's most recent e-book What's A Boy Supposed to Do The contest ends on June 14th 2013. The winner will be announced promptly thereafter or whenever I get around to it.



This contest is open to all members of the Complaint Department. To read the blurb go to this link:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18...

The winner will be chosen the same way we did it last February (i.e. selected at random by drawing an entrant's name out of a hat. Actually the hat will be a baseball cap because that's the only kind of hat I own.)

RULES: There are no special rules for this contest.

To enter go to the Games section and select the contest or go to this link:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...



message 3759: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Roger wrote: "Averin wrote: "I detest that when I'm researching something, as in trying to recall the name of an artist whose work I once saw, stupid YouTube seduces me and leads me on. Implies that it has exact..."

Seriously, I didn't want to recreate a description from memory. Somewhere 'round 97 or '98, I saw an art exhibit done by scientific-types. I don't think they were all LGBT, but the event may have been sponsored by an LGBT organization. It's all a haze of Pinot Noir, I'm afraid. So I googled "gay math artist" and that video came up.

Of course, if I'd paid attention, the fact that 2 out of 3 terms matched, should have been a clue.

Today I complain that it is the start of summer vacation and despite two able-bodied teen and near teen aged boys, only I can get the garbage out, clean the litter box, pick-up dog crap or fill water bowls. Then they want to know why I say NO more pets.


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I am angry that people here in Denmark is no protecting our cpr-nr enough and over 5 month, that should not happened if they took their job serious and now must all be afraid that their social security number is being misused by criminal people. These people are not responsible if they try to excuse that such things have happened and that they have not kept enough eye on. 4 million people now can get their life destroyed because of some did not take the protecting serious :-( even the danish Intelligence is involved so bad is this *GRRR*


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Averin | 1962 comments Not a complaint until someone doesn't understand me as I fall into the "I use both category" several times: how to speak like an American


message 3762: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Averin wrote: "Not a complaint until someone doesn't understand me as I fall into the "I use both category" several times: how to speak like an American "

I must put in a complaint about this link: Fascinating.


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Averin | 1962 comments Lori wrote: "Averin wrote: "Not a complaint until someone doesn't understand me as I fall into the "I use both category" several times: how to speak like an American "

I must put in a complaint about this lin..."


Yeah, especially when you get to the bottom and get to the link where you can play with the data yourself.


message 3764: by Lori S. (last edited Jun 06, 2013 12:21PM) (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments In following up on Averin's link:

One of my major complaints about reading books, and especially online fiction, these days is the constant mix up of then & than. Two words with different meanings and usages, but which are being switched more and more often. It's made me wonder if it's the way they're pronounced in different areas of the country that leads people to misusing them.

Just a thought.


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Elorie Decker | 220 comments Aves wrote: "Sarah wrote: "online friends are probably the only friends he is going to have, other than his mother, who is trying hard to stay calm."

Different situation, entirely, and intuitively I knew I was..."


Well, I'm sort of in the same position. I'm not gay but nobody ever wanted to marry me and I don't have any children but my mom but I am here to take care of her and that worked out. Part of my chosen family is still around but it seems she will outlast most of them. I was just lucky she kept loving me despite the fact I'm sure I disappointed her and my dad. I never did anything great or relevant but most of the time I tried to be a good person, so I guess in the end that is the most important thing.
Elorie


message 3766: by Danni (new)

Danni | 248 comments Elorie wrote: "I never did anything great or relevant but most of the time I tried to be a good person, so I guess in the end that is the most important thing."

I would go so far as to say that trying to be a good person is doing something pretty great. In fact, you don't get much greater than that.


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Elorie Decker | 220 comments Danni wrote: "Elorie wrote: "I never did anything great or relevant but most of the time I tried to be a good person, so I guess in the end that is the most important thing."

I would go so far as to say that tr..."


Thank you.


message 3768: by Danni (new)

Danni | 248 comments I would like to complain about nipples. Not all nipples, mind you, but specifically my right one. Today it had the cheek to escape from my bra while I was at work, and to not tell me anything about it, even though I was wearing a tightish white top. I have thus spent an unknown amount of time today with my nubbin on show to all and sundry. Oh, the shame of it.

I hope that this misfortune of mine may bring a smile to somebody's face that needs it, and therefore my mortification will not have been completely in vain.


message 3769: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments It brought a smile to my face. It would have to be a miracle for mine to escape because my superstructure is anything but and sometimes, one of the many things I am constantly searching for is where in Hades have my breasts gone now and naturally the nip is with them.


message 3770: by Danni (new)

Danni | 248 comments Elorie wrote: "It brought a smile to my face. It would have to be a miracle for mine to escape because my superstructure is anything but and sometimes, one of the many things I am constantly searching for is whe..."

Well I'm glad someone enjoyed it ;)


message 3771: by Goesta (new)

Goesta I was gonna complain about something, but now I can't get Danni's errant nipple and Elorie's invisible breasts out of my head.


message 3772: by Danni (new)

Danni | 248 comments Goesta wrote: "I was gonna complain about something, but now I can't get Danni's errant nipple and Elorie's invisible breasts out of my head."

Haha, it's evil I tell you. It's wormed its way into your mind.


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Gabbo Parra (lordgabux) | 559 comments The Tale of the Wandering Nipple & The Unsuspected Owner.

Longer than your average title but pretty fitting (unlike someone's bra).

I loudly complain we need to hear the full story to know who is to blame in this hilarious disgusting situation.


message 3774: by Wendy (last edited Jun 06, 2013 02:55PM) (new)

Wendy Danni wrote: "Elorie wrote: "It brought a smile to my face. It would have to be a miracle for mine to escape because my superstructure is anything but and sometimes, one of the many things I am constantly searc..."

I think it's funny as well, although I do sympathize because I think I'm more in Elorie's position. I only had any when I was about 60 pounds overweight. I lost the weight and they disappeared, but my thighs stayed about the same. Where's the justice in that?

I get things caught in my teeth and go around talking to people and no one tells me, that makes me crazy.

The most embarrassing thing that happened to me lately ironically does have to do with the lingerie department. You know how the employees stuff way too much on the racks? (no pun intended! No giggling!) Somehow a few pair of the extra large white silky-but-not-silk panties that I wasn't even looking at got caught by the hanger on my purse. They even did it strategically, they caught on each other by the hanger, so it was sort of a waterfall of panties. They managed to stay attached, and I walked around the store, one of those huge supserstores, for the rest of the shopping expedition blissfully ignorant of the fact I was trailing an "I surrender" line of white panties behind me. Maybe people thought it was a creative way not to carry them, but I have a feeling I amused some people. I didn't notice until we got to the checkout lane and I started to help my SO take things out of the cart. I saw my purse and turned red, then started to giggle helplessly at the complete ridiculousness of it.

I told the cashier, after I had returned the panties to their rightful place, and she laughed pretty hard, so I figure I at least brightened her day a little.

And I have to thank Boyd, because otherwise I would never have figured out how to italicize and things like that. But I guess I should say I am really upset that it took Boyd sending me an email before I realized how to use very easy html.


message 3775: by Wendy (last edited Jun 06, 2013 03:02PM) (new)

Wendy Danni wrote: "OK, imagine I am saying this in a very cross voice in order to make this sound very, very complainy:

Thank you, thank you so much to everyone at the Complaints Department - I just saw that my stor..."


I think there's a cure for that spotted dick thing now. :-)

Looking forward to reading your story, btw.


message 3776: by Danni (new)

Danni | 248 comments I'm going to complain about how much I love the phrase 'a waterfall of panties' - it literally made me lol and I am now in awe of your creative vision.

Oh, and btw I wouldn't be so upset about the whole evil errant nipple thing if I had enormous bouncing appendages but I don't, and the little bugger still managed to draw attention to itself.


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Averin | 1962 comments Danni wrote: "I'm going to complain about how much I love the phrase 'a waterfall of panties' - it literally made me lol and I am now in awe of your creative vision.

Oh, and btw I wouldn't be so upset about the..."


What kind of people do you work with that don't say anything all day?


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Averin | 1962 comments Lori wrote: "In following up on Averin's link:

One of my major complaints about reading books, and especially online fiction, these days is the constant mix up of then & than. Two words with different meaning..."


Hmm, prostrate instead of prostate, always good for a giggle. I think it's a literacy problem, if you don't read you can't spell.


message 3779: by [deleted user] (new)

Averin wrote: "Not a complaint until someone doesn't understand me as I fall into the "I use both category" several times: how to speak like an American "

Anyone who lives in New York City knows that "The City" is only the borough of Manhattan and does not include the Bronx, Staten Island, Queens, or Brooklyn.


message 3780: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments Lucas wrote: "Averin wrote: "Not a complaint until someone doesn't understand me as I fall into the "I use both category" several times: how to speak like an American "

Anyone who lives in New York City knows ..."


Most people I know (as in flesh and blood instead of Internet ether) think it means San Francisco. But from an early age, to me, it's meant the financial district of London.


message 3781: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments In NM "The City" is Albuquerque, especially in more rural areas.


message 3782: by Wendy (new)

Wendy You know, I really like feel that the Netherlands has the right idea is screwed up about the whole abdication thing. I mean, now Beatrice gets to do fun horrible things like play with her grand-children, still gets to participate in politics can completely ignore her country, etc. What a novel stupid idea, to be around in case her son needs to ask questions.


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Though the Complaint Department is part of Goodreads the group only occasionally refers to a book and the closest thing we have to a thread on books is our What I hate about M/M Romance topic.

So to bring us more in alignment with the Goodreads concept I want my fellow members to consider each of the books in this very short video. It's from CNN so while the video is short they make viewers watch a brief commercial so please put up with the commercial in order to get a proper bookish feeling from what you will see.

Thank you for your cooperation in this request to watch this very serious effort on the appropriate inclusion of books in the Complaint Department.

Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. Thank you~!

This is the link:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/livi...




message 3784: by Averin (new)

Averin | 1962 comments You can't see the books really aside from the fourth grade textbook at the end.

I do read. Even physical books.

Aside from LHNB, I'm reading/studying about twelve books that no one else wants to discuss. Before European Hegemony: The World System A.D. 1250-1350, and LAN Switching and Wireless: CCNA Exploration Companion Guide With CDROM , or a real knee slapper A Guide to Computer User Support for Help Desk and Support Specialists which I really should have contributed to commerce and sold back to Amazon but may cover things people might ask me in an interview.

But thank you. Even though watching William Bellie videos earlier today already put me over my video watching quota for the week.


message 3785: by Elorie (new)

Elorie Decker | 220 comments Wendy wrote: "Danni wrote: "Elorie wrote: "It brought a smile to my face. It would have to be a miracle for mine to escape because my superstructure is anything but and sometimes, one of the many things I am co..."

Thank you, thank you for that story. I have to complain about how you made me feel. I started laughing so hard I almost fell off the chair I was sitting on. Then I tried to read it to my mom and we both cracked up so hard we couldn't talk. I too liked the image of "waterfall of panties" and saw exactly how it must have looked.


message 3786: by [deleted user] (last edited Jun 06, 2013 05:37PM) (new)

Averin wrote: "You can't see the books really aside from the fourth grade textbook at the end."

Hi Averin whose name I still adore. Yep, it is just a joke that the Complaint Department is a place where we can get away, let off steam, relax, have fun and make friends all with only the vaguest reference now then to a book. We don't need to see the books here. We just have fun thinking of things like how much of a pain it will be for that library to have to re-shelve all those anonymous tomes.
<-big smile->
hugs!


message 3787: by [deleted user] (new)

Wendy wrote: "You know, I really like feel that the Netherlands has the right idea is screwed up about the whole abdication thing. I mean, now Beatrice gets to do fun horrible things like play with her grand-chi..."

Excellent thought. thanks :-)


message 3788: by Jerry (new)

Jerry Aves wrote: "It vexes me to no end, that some fifteen year old boy replying to my comment on youtube addressed me as “bro”. Bro?! I’m old enough to his father for Heaven’s sake! And I believe I’ve lived long e..."

I complain that Aves looks (and acts?) young enough to be considered a "bro". I can understand the desire to be called Sir, but wouldn't you rather being the one to call your pilot/daddy sir?????


message 3789: by Wendy (last edited Jun 06, 2013 08:05PM) (new)

Wendy I have to complain that my future employment may only consist of being an undercover loss prevention employee in the lingerie department.

I further have to bewail the fact that I don't think I could resist re-enacting scenes from "Weird Science" if I were to undertake such employment. Too many available props.

And I am devastated that after my proud statement of learning some very basic html, it didn't work in my last post.

Lastly, Kyle, although I know it effects your rating, the people who aren't reading your books and rating them with one star are imbecilic baboons who stole a computer from a recycling center when no one was looking, although the employees guessed when they saw the thrown feces that the nefarious baboon brigade had been there, piggybacked on some innocent individual's wi fi, and created accounts for the sole purpose of forwarding their evil baboonish agenda of assisting the right-wing conservatives by bashing perfectly decent books on Goodreads from lists provided to them by toss-potted cretins with points of view so narrow they could be mistaken for a piece of paper if held sideways. The baboon brigade does not realize that the toss-potted cretins have no intention of aiding their cause, that being the creation of an individual baboon nation with its own reality TV show, because, like most politicians, when their lips move, they're lying. The baboon brigade has sunk to the dismal underbelly of deceit and depravity of censorship and rampant tight-fisted astronomy.

But honestly, I think it's despicable. I don't rate books, usually, that I would give less than three stars to, because I have finally come to the conclusion that life is too short to read books I'm not enjoying. I figure that just because a book isn't to my taste isn't really a reason to give it a bad review as it isn't really fair. I once had a very brief stint on Authonomy, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy (hmm, that sounds vaguely familiar), and a teenage girl who was actually too young to be on there in the first place gave my book a low rating with the comment, "I don't like your cover, I don't like your writing style, and I really don't like your genre, but you can come check my book out." Right. That was very short lived. I hate, hate, hate sockpuppets. I even wrote a blog on it, I hate it so much. There need to be tighter controls, and I think it needs to come from letting people create sockpuppet accounts. I'm a nerd in many ways but computer knowledge is not one of them. Isn't there a way to tell if more than one account is coming from an IP address? I know that doesn't really work if it's a family computer and more than one family member wants to use Goodreads, but there should be a limit. When it gets up to ten, I think that overdoing it a little. Why do people need to hide behind so many different identities? I can see having two, one as an author, maybe, and one as a not-author. But more than that? If people feel the need to sneak around, that starts to smack of sliminess. That's different than lurking. Lurkers don't try to stir things up with different names, and don't cause problems. It also violates trust issues, to me, because it becomes an issue of "who can you really trust"if you don't know who you're talking to. I know Jerry is Jerry, and Lucas is Lucas, and I'm pretty sure they're not roaming around under other names, because I trust Jerry and Lucas (well, Jerry a little more, sorry Lucas, I've been in a group with him longer, although I have the upmost respect for you and enjoy watching you and Macky and your moderator discussions more than I should).

I'm digressing, and I'm know I'm going to become infamous for my long posts and people will groan when they see them, and not even my waterfall of panties will save me then, not from the pitchforks and torches. Maybe people should be required to write at least three sentences when they give a book a rating. There's always cut and paste, but then you can spot a trend, and find out what that user is really up to. You can't just say the same thing about books over and over. "I hated it. The writing sucks. The author should go to hell." I think if that appeared over and over it would get attention. Isn't there some nifty algorithm that some person smarter than me can figure out that can find duplications like that in reviews?

I'm possibly making things up that don't exist. Don't let them get you down, Kyle. They're mean, nasty people with very small minds.


message 3790: by Lori S. (last edited Jun 06, 2013 08:05PM) (new)

Lori S. (fuzzipueo) | 2809 comments Lucas wrote: "


Though the Complaint Department is part of Goodreads the group only occasionally refers to a book and the closest thing we have to a thread on books is our What I hate about M/M Romance topi..."


Doesn't Bookshelf Porn count?

That took a lot of work and was really cool. Good on them!


message 3791: by [deleted user] (new)

more instances of bakeries refusing to sell wedding cakes to couples celebrating their nuptials.

If bakers really want to not sell cakes to people, maybe they should stop selling cakes to people who have diabetes. That actually would make sense.

In fact, selling cakes to people with diabetes seems like a public safety hazard and someone ought to arrest them or bring a lawsuit.


Ije the Devourer of Books | 14524 comments Is this about bakeries refusing to sell cakes to gay couples? I think it is disgraceful. It is illegal to discriminate like that in the UK and I am glad. Reminds me of the days black and Asian tenants couldn't get accommodation because landlords rejected them on racial grounds. Using religion to discriminate is nonsense because the bible actually places an obligation on people to be good neighbours and care for those who are strangers to us. These people have obviously not read the parable of the Good Samaritan. What a shame. They bring the Gospel into disrepute with their hatred.


message 3793: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments Lori wrote: "Most people I know (as in flesh and blood instead of Internet ether) think it means San Francisco. But from an early age, to me, it's meant the financial district of London."

Which is how any Londoner refers to the ancient Roman heart of London. Anywhere else close to the various centres is simply referred to as "the town" as in "We're going up to Town", usually meaning the West End.


message 3794: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments I protest at junior moderator coercion, who shall remain Lucas nameless, who via a PM warned me off trying to win a copy of my own book. There wasn't anything in the T&Cs about that, so I say "unfair". It's bookism.


message 3795: by Goesta (new)

Goesta I wish to complain at the trauma I am currently experiencing, during the final stages of the editing nightmare that is my LHNB submission, as a Canadian. It has been driven home (and deep) that I am neither fish nor fowl, neither British nor American in my usage. My head is buzzing with verbs that contain "z" as approved by the editors, and probably as written by me, which on reflection should have "s" (though now I'm no longer sure, one of my spell checks flags them, the other doesn't), and arguments over whether "ongoing" as an adjective is a British word (editors and the 1928 printed edition of the OED, which doesn't even acknowledge the word "fantasize" or "-ise," say nay, I and Oxford online say aye). Perhaps Roger can shed some light (which shall be too late, I fear, the thing just having gone off to final formatting).

Is that enough plaintiveness about the written word for our ex-mod, who is too busy pumping to read anything anyway, as evidenced by his enthusiasm for athletic books?

I commiserate with Roger for not being allowed to win a copy of his own book. What, is he supposed to go out and buy it like a mere mortal or something? Reminds me of the time I had to buy a ticket to get into my own show... Oh no, wait, I did that so the unpaid actors would have some box office takings to share among themselves.


message 3796: by [deleted user] (last edited Jun 07, 2013 04:07AM) (new)

Wendy wrote: "And I am devastated that after my proud statement of learning some very basic html, it didn't work in my last post."


You can always click on "(some html is okay)" at the upper right above this box for the html formatting Goodreads supports.

HTML problems here aren't your fault, Goodreads is very limited in the HTML it supports, so anyone who truly knows HTML would not be able to use the full formatting here.

hugs, lucas


message 3797: by Macky (new)

Macky (mactut) Lucas wrote: "


Though the Complaint Department is part of Goodreads the group only occasionally refers to a book and the closest thing we have to a thread on books is our What I hate about M/M Romance topi..."


I wish to complain that every time I press LL's link to CNN I keep getting a video about The Putins getting divorced so I don't know what I'm supposed to see and its doing my Wacky Macky head in! Please will someone clue me in? I wait in a bejuggered state of expectation.


message 3798: by [deleted user] (new)

Roger wrote: "I protest at junior moderator coercion, who shall remain Lucas nameless..."

Macky is the sole and only moderator here. I am as it says only a dumb jock (because "founder" sounds too pompous.)

Since I am only a member not a moderator you are violating the rules by criticizing another member.



If you really want to get another copy of you latest masterwork, the 5 star***** What's A Boy Supposed to Do, just issue yourself a coupon or wait until Smashwords sends you the author's copy of the Paperback version of the book. Then you can sign it and have your own autographed copy.



message 3799: by Roger (new)

Roger Kean | 17278 comments @ Goesta, I share your pain and grief. We're always told what an irrational language English (British-style) can be, but so can English (American style). I learned long ago from an American man teaching Saudi Arabian airforce pilots English, who spent time in London, the simple rule for the "l" or "ll" form. In England it will always be "ll" for gerundives (fuel, fuelling, fuelled) and in American a single "l" (fuel, fueling, fueled) but "control" and "patrol", for instance, take "ll" (patrol, patrolling, patrolled) – the rule: to imagine how an (that is most) American would pronounce the word. So they say "fewl", the emphasis is on the first syllable and in that case the verb forms take only the single "l", whereas with "patrol", "control" the emphasis is on the final syllable, so they get 2 l's.

However, there are certain words where you might think it'll be a single "l" but it isn't…

And then there are those pesky "z" for "s" words. Even after years of writing with American spelling I have to consult my Merriam Webster's to check on l's and z's. It's all too easy to assume because it's "civilize" that it might be "surprize" when it's not.

How infuriating of Americans to have taken an already difficult language and make it difficulter. Or should that be curiouser and curiouser…?


message 3800: by Goesta (new)

Goesta Then there are those theorists who propose that some American English (don't remember which, surely not Texan?) is actually closer in pronunciation to Shakespearean times, and that the Brits rather than the Amis have evolved away from that in the past several hundred years. It seems that only due to the human intellect's propensity for redundancy can we communicate at all. Just imagine if our language were like that of a computer, and our brains would crash every time we encounter a misspelling.

I won't even start on the "reformed German spelling" measures. As in their legal affairs, Mash and Sour Cabbage eaters differ in their approach to evolving their language, the former, based on precedent, while the latter, true to form, try to invent and impose a complete, new set of rules, with Bauhaus-like optimism, every few centuries. I simplify, but you get my meaning (or maybe you don't, perhaps I must make an effort to be still more redundant).

Suffice it to demonstrate by visual example: "Balletttheater", "Brennnessel","Seeenge", "Zooochse". Hyphenation, where it is still practised, is a pure joy. According to one web site, you might well run across "Urin-sekt". Not, as you might suppose after looking up the words, referring to a fizzy but less than tasty yellow liquid, but to a primordial flying critter (Urinsekt).

Oddly, despite the tendency to favour logic over common sense, we are not actually the nation that, briefly, tried to bring you the 100-minute hour and 10-hour day. Those were the F****h (as LL would have me write it).


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