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I am also appalled at reading some previous post about more rules that there appear to be certain words in the daily vocabulary of every 12-year old that I'm now supposed to weed out of my posts. More insensibly, I'm not supposed to write (letter)..(letter) etc. Excuse me but: if said 12-year old DOESN'T know the word, then (letter)..(letter) will be quite meaningless to them. If they DO know the word, then the whole issue is moot anyway. If this is what GR is turning into, I shall hand in my resignation in the morning. Not joking. And as for excrement ... don't get me started. My English teacher (!) introduced the alternate numeric spelling before I had ever even pleased, myself.
Anyone who has never yet pleased, themselves shouldn't be on this thread anyway.
Sorry, rock monster reprise, but this is stupid. I vote for making this group invitation only.
GRRRRRRRRRRRR.........


With that stink been highly raised, I think is kind of cool to be able to imply a lot of naughtiness without using the usual words. It's ubber cool indeed and shows how creative the complainers can be.
Another cloud of smelly complaint to myself for not reading Goesta's story here yet, but I stink my way away to that thread to erase some of my smelliness.


I have also spent the last hour of an already lovely day of "following the rules" (see taxes comment) deleting all (I hope) of my posts on this group longer than 2 lines, since I refuse to reread my own drivel and also am quite cognizant that almost all I write contains more flagrant innuendo than any one-syllable word I could possibly come up with, and we do not wish to corrupt the American young, now, do we (the world's rest apparently have a more flexible vocabulary already).
Since I have been mentioned by name in said sad reminder of the rules, I shall no longer be participating in anything here, for fear of endangering the health and safety of the group.
It's been a blast. Can I write that? Could be misunderstood ...

Blasting caps aside, I am sorry you feel the need to remove your wit from the eyes of others. Sigh. I enjoyed what I read, though!



I've added a link to my blog on the story thread, where the new story bit can still be enjoyed. Just don't want to get our lovely LL in any more trouble. ;) The offer still stands (figure out the motorbike trick & get the story when it's ready).

I am stimied on how to complain about Lori offering such a wonderful link. As I said, yes there is a connnection, but I still stand by my proposal that Batman has is more of a child of the Spider than the Shadow.

I hate to be the one to raise this issue but even if we clean up the language our discussions are basically adult dealing with relationships, health, family all from adult perspectives. We have links to adult art and blogs and many of our posts even if clean are rather full of innuendo. I don't think that I would be happy as a parent to have my 14 year old participating in some of our conversations. I would like to know what others think and Lucas what would be different if we were an over 18 group? Would it require different moderation?

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I regret to say that l think Ijeoma has made a very valid point. While l don't object to tempering my language to be age appropriate (and actually think trying could be quite fun) l do wonder if this is just skirting round the fact that we quite often discuss 'adult' topics.

I must complain on this family tree proposal. I would offer that Shadow is uncle to Batman, while Zorro and Scarlet Pimpernel are grandparents. That would make Shadow the older brother of Spider and Phantom Detective.
Agreeable?
I do find it interesting that Doc Savage, the Man od Bronze and Supreme Adventurer, now appears to have an undisputed and uncontested position. :P

I'm aggrieved to say that Ijeoma has a point. I love our group as it is but I do think that its hard to tamper an adults natural tendency to veer towards adult conversation, and Innuendo and language is part of that. However this is Lucas' baby and he did lay rules from the word go. I must admit I don't like the thought of a young teen getting involved in some of the conversationfs we've got into however ' mature' youngsters appear to be, so I guess its up to our lovely moderator to make decisions, but I think its only fair to give him some more input on the subject from the group as a whole.
Danni wrote: Ijeoma wrote: "Goesta wrote: 'Lucas what would be different if we were an over 18 group? Would it require different moderation? '"
§ In the spirit of rule # 1 I herewith complain it would be more work for me.
§ If the group was closed any current members of the group under the age of 18 would be kicked out.
§ If the group was closed anyone who does not have their date of birth in their profile would be kicked out too.
§ Fewer people would be likely to join because they could not have instant access to membership. People would have to apply for membership and wait until they were approved before they could join.
§ People would no longer be able to browse the group to see if they wanted to join; they would just have to blindly take a chance that a group called the Complaint Department was something they wanted to join sight unseen (there would be no 'try before you buy' so to speak.)
§ People would have to guess if an unknown group by the odd name of the Complaint Department fit their interests and moral beliefs.
§ We would have to figure out an application process for members. For instance we need to have applicants for membership assert that they would abide the rule that "Straight, gay and people of all sexual orientations are welcome and intolerance will not be tolerated." because they would have no way of knowing all the guys in this group are gay and that almost everybody here (if not everybody) is a reader of M/M romance books and/or gay male romance fiction.
§ We would have to determine if the only requirement for joining was that the applicant was over 18 years old or if we wanted the group to have any other requirements or warnings.
§ We could no longer be able to be featured as group on the Goodreads website page which a way some members found out about us and joined the group.
§ The group founder would have to figure out if this was a democracy or an autocracy in terms of making the decision to close or not to close the group
§ Roger says the group would not be a cute puppy anymore.
By the way the group founder has already determined that he wouldn't change the existing rules of the Complaint Department even if it was changed to an adult group. So if it became an adult group members could not decide to start saying whatever the frig they wanted to using freaking adult language because he is fond of maintaining some semblance of civility.
§ In the spirit of rule # 1 I herewith complain it would be more work for me.
§ If the group was closed any current members of the group under the age of 18 would be kicked out.
§ If the group was closed anyone who does not have their date of birth in their profile would be kicked out too.
§ Fewer people would be likely to join because they could not have instant access to membership. People would have to apply for membership and wait until they were approved before they could join.
§ People would no longer be able to browse the group to see if they wanted to join; they would just have to blindly take a chance that a group called the Complaint Department was something they wanted to join sight unseen (there would be no 'try before you buy' so to speak.)
§ People would have to guess if an unknown group by the odd name of the Complaint Department fit their interests and moral beliefs.
§ We would have to figure out an application process for members. For instance we need to have applicants for membership assert that they would abide the rule that "Straight, gay and people of all sexual orientations are welcome and intolerance will not be tolerated." because they would have no way of knowing all the guys in this group are gay and that almost everybody here (if not everybody) is a reader of M/M romance books and/or gay male romance fiction.
§ We would have to determine if the only requirement for joining was that the applicant was over 18 years old or if we wanted the group to have any other requirements or warnings.
§ We could no longer be able to be featured as group on the Goodreads website page which a way some members found out about us and joined the group.
§ The group founder would have to figure out if this was a democracy or an autocracy in terms of making the decision to close or not to close the group
§ Roger says the group would not be a cute puppy anymore.
By the way the group founder has already determined that he wouldn't change the existing rules of the Complaint Department even if it was changed to an adult group. So if it became an adult group members could not decide to start saying whatever the frig they wanted to using freaking adult language because he is fond of maintaining some semblance of civility.

Agreeable?
I do find it interesting that Doc Savage, the Man od Bronze and Supreme Adventurer, now appears to have an undisputed and uncontested position. :P"
I am miffed to have to say that you have a valid argument in the case of the Shadow and the Spider and their various grand-ancestors. And, if I may use an *Authority* on the subject, Philip Jose Farmer would have it that everyone is related in some way ... The Wold Newton Universe. Seriously, this is a cool site and a fascinating idea.
And I add this just for fun: The Unified Field Crossover History of the Universe


Damn Lucas to read all these rules at 24 at night is to get a head ache over, there is +/- with the things, but can only agree with you in that you are right.
But most of all I like the way it's now and it seem that Roger is right that it will lose to be a cute puppy if we change it to over 18.
Sorry is tired and sleepy, I try to think and write right, hope there are no misunderstanding in this, because I think I need to go to bed and sleep and answer your questions and conversation tomorrow, where I will hopefully be more awake than now, if I could be a little lucky to sleep without nightmares and pain, which will be a miracle these days.
Goodnight all my sweet and lovely friends in the complain department, have a good night, and sleep well :-) and good reading for those that can not sleep or were the time is day :-) goodnight
But most of all I like the way it's now and it seem that Roger is right that it will lose to be a cute puppy if we change it to over 18.
Sorry is tired and sleepy, I try to think and write right, hope there are no misunderstanding in this, because I think I need to go to bed and sleep and answer your questions and conversation tomorrow, where I will hopefully be more awake than now, if I could be a little lucky to sleep without nightmares and pain, which will be a miracle these days.
Goodnight all my sweet and lovely friends in the complain department, have a good night, and sleep well :-) and good reading for those that can not sleep or were the time is day :-) goodnight

Helle wrote: "...I think I need to go to bed and sleep ..."
I hope you sleep well and long with no pain and no nightmares.
Sweet hugs dearest Helle xxx
I hope you sleep well and long with no pain and no nightmares.
Sweet hugs dearest Helle xxx


LOL


Another alternative might be to just boot out the troublemakers and those with dirty minds (i.e. Macky) :p
ETA: and Gabbo

Harrumph. Hey Mrs... That means you're coming with me! :DDD..
... I mean :( :( :(

@ Helle - Hugs and sleep well.
@ Lucas - I'm with you. I doubt I'd have joined had this been a closed group and I love you bunch of pervy misfits. Wait ... is it ok for me to type that I love you bunch of pervy misfits or should I come up with some clever euphemism to disguise my affliction ... er ... affection?
@Ijeoma - You're a "vampire slayin badass"? Should I flee for the hills - as I've been accused of being a vampire (the whole not appearing to age thing and all).
@Danni - So does my harping about everyone needing to vote for Hadji & Jonny Quest on Poll #3 count as being a trouble-maker? Am now living in fear of being given the proverbial boot since I'm harassing people with virtual bullying (or is that virtually bullying people with harassment)?
@Roger - Is it ok if I think/believe it's a cute kitten instead of puppy as dogs are really, really scary?
@Lucas - I've always thought of myself as Chaotic-Good meaning that I hate rules, but I'm willing to follow them for the sake of the group (just don't take away my ability/right to complain/gripe as I much as I want).
I'm not a parent, never had a kid and don't plan it ever being an issue, but I've always thought that much of what happens in the name of "protecting the children" was really just being done to pacify parental fears that their children are individuals who have their own lives and they really only know what their children tell them. So, I'm in agreement with Goesta on some this. And I am certainly not trying to tell people how to raise their children. But I do feel that Americans are really over protective of children, it's almost pathological in some ways (I'm typing about the population in general, not anyone or anything in particular). That being said I certainly am not advocating a no-holds-barred attitude. Protecting children is important, but the goal should always be to protect in order to teach children how to make informed, intelligent decisions on their own. So when they are adults they already have the skills to do just that, instead of becoming adults having been so overprotected that they are unable to make informed, intelligent decisions for themselves and have to have the government, or corporations, make such decisions for them. Bear in mind that I am in full agreement with Lucas regarding "maintaining some semblance of civility" and have no problem censoring my own frelling language in order to do so. I'm not trying to make trouble, but just offering my opinion, non-parental as it is. It would not surprise me in the slightest if it changed were I a parent.
Oh yes, and don't forget to vote for Hadji & Jonny Quest on Poll #3:
http://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/95...

With regard to"cleaning up the language" I did not see Lucas say there was a need for a big effort to do that. He indicated 7 instances where people needed to edit their posts. Only 7 out of 2,319 posts in the thread alone. More than 3,000 if you include the other threads and over 6,400 in the games. That's a total of 9,400 posting and only 7 cases where language needed to be changed.
What a great and well behaved group to only have 7 word changes needed out of 9,400 posts. I think the members of this group are amazing to have an amazing record like that. The kids ages 12-17 probably hear swearing or swear themselves more times than that in a day than what we 124 members have done in the past two 2 months.
There are a goodly number of posts with sexual innuendo and puns. But no more than what any kid can get from schoolmates, friends, neighbors, rap lyrics, pop music in general, Cable TV or from a bazillion website on the internet.
Ijeoma the matchmaking priest and semi-fictional vampire quite rightly said "I don't think that I would be happy as a parent to have my 14 year old participating in some of our conversations."
That is because she would be a responsible parent and monitor her 14 year old kid and not allow them to watch, read, or interact on the TV or Internet anyway they pleased. Rather she would assert her parental control over her kids knowing she couldn't count on the world to be a safe place for them anywhere including online.
I believe this group of people ought to be very proud of the way it has behaved in both having fun and in expressing empathy for one another.
If what goes on here is the worst a kid is going to see online that is one lucky kid and parent because with courtesy, wit. and lots of hugs and caring that is demonstrated in the Complain Department is one of the best influences a teen could have online.
Kids see sex all around them and too many 14 year olds see sex so up close they are themselves parents.
What do they see here? A large group with no arguments, no haters, no bigots, lots of compassions and nothing more explicit than a cop porn/pop corn joke and or a wickedly funny Macky story that sounds dirty but when you look back there is no sex at all and no swearing.
Good grief Charlie Brown, this is one fine group of people who ought to be proud of the example they set for others.

Well said my good man, well said.
Oh yes, and don't forget to vote for Hadji & Jonny Quest on Poll #3:
http://www.goodreads.com/poll/list/95...

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Noted adventurer Indiana Jones (Harrison Ford) goes out on a routine exploratory spelunking mission, only to find the unexpected: Han Solo (Harrison Ford) frozen in carbonite! Fearing it to be a homicide, Jones calls the police, who immediately send two of their best officers to the scene: Rick Deckard (Harrison Ford) and Sgt. Joe Gavilan (Harrison Ford).
All the clues point to none other than Dr. Richard Kimble (Harrison Ford), who is already on the run from the law. The only problem? He's no where to found... on land! No, sneaky Dr. Kimble has escaped with Captain Alexei Vostrikov (Harrison Ford) in his nuclear submarine!
In the end, though, the officers are able to locate the criminals and bring them to justice, thanks, in part, to some help from research scientist Norman Spencer (Harrison Ford), attorney Henry Turner (Harrison Ford), and CIA analyst Jack Ryan (Harrison Ford). For their heroic efforts, they are all thanked personally by President James Marshall (Harrison Ford).
But does hard-headed Rick Deckard care about the commander-in-chief? No way! He'd rather sneak out of the luncheon being held in his honor and go home to his small, untidy apartment, where he can finally sit down on his couch (Harrison Ford), kick his feet up on the coffee table (Harrison Ford), and crack open a cold beer (Harrison Ford) to relax after a hard day's work (Harrison Ford [uncredited])!
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I might just have to get the shirt. ;)


I angry suggest that Macky and I co-write a novel called The 86 lives of Harrison ASAP


I very much enjoy this group. It is fun and the subtle - and sometimes not so subtle - conversations we have are always interesting. Would I want my 14 year-old (which I don't have one yet, but I will in 4 years...OMG!) to read some of the comments? Probably not, but I also know that the reason we don't have cable in our house is because what is shown/said/suggested on there is MUCH worse than anything we have said or slyly not said. "The Secret Life of an American Teenager" had my jaw dropping when I started watching it because they were (a) kids acting like adults and having babies and (b) it was on ABC FAMILY, which has obviously changed since I was a kid.
In closing, can we get some kumbaya going around that campfire we talked about a few pages back and break out the s'mores please?

Pleasantly miffed that I would like to join you in spreading the girl cooties to Boyd for that very thoughtful post but since I have already been accused of spreading girl cooties by one who shall not be named (*coughs* Lucas *coughs*) I will refrain and offer...what, a fist bump? That wouldn't spread too many icky cooties right? Especially if we made it explode afterwards. That would definitely take care of the girl cooties :-)

@Rick- about that shirt - several years ago there was a flash movie done with Indy finding Han frozen like that. The very last scene had Henry Jones, Sr. shows up and say "Junior," in Sean Connery's voice and Indy saying "Wrong movie, dad." LOL

Ooops, I'm miffed because I'm confused!!


Hmmm...it's not my business, most especially since I've never been a parent, but if I were a father to a daughter, I'd be pretty upset too. I would lock her up in her room, take away get phone and Internet and TV, dig a six-foot pit in the backyard to show to the boys she's bound to bring over, and show them that and my shotgun, and then see about having her admitted as a novice in a cloistered convent. But that's just me.

Hmmm...it's not my business, most especially sin..."
Huh, bejiggered (thanks for the cool word Lucas) to say that you and my husband would get along famously. He always tells our oldest that she doesn't have to worry about dating because she will be in a nunnery by then. My husband's frat brothers that we are still in contact with sometimes still talk about how when she starts dating they are all going to come over and make sure the "chat" goes well while they all clean their guns. I try to remind him we don't even own any but he just tells me his sword collection will work just fine.

A work colleague once declared to me, "Daughters are God's punishment to all men".



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Boyd I agree with you in this, you are a sweet and loving person who thinks a lot about things and have many words of wisdom you've written what everyone in the group agree and this I thank you for.
All in this group is sweet and lovely, to care and give hugs for the persons in the complain department, I know how good it's to know you are not alone to talk about the crisis in my life and know you have love and support, from this group that give me the strength and hope to fight on, if this group was not there, I would soon have had a depression and I do not want to have zoloft again and this would have changed my personality so no one would recognize me again and I want to avoid that.
I know you guys do not want smooches, but here it come smooches and a lot of hugs to a amazing group of people, that I LOVE :-)
Thank you all for your sweet and lovely words that means a lot to me, thank you for your support xxx <3
I have good night sleep no nightmares, and a almost pain-free sleep :-) just wish it would stay like that, then I would have the energy to do some more things and not feel like all energy are gone after a few hours and then I need sleep again.
After my stiff neck, I have to change how I drink water, now have to have a glass standing where I drink the water off, if I drink from the tap then I end up several weeks with strained/stiff neck and the new outbreak of the disease too that makes it more delicate.
There have also been new outbreaks further up the back, so they are allowed to hasten to correct the things they have done wrong and give me biological medicine as soon as possible, before any new outbreaks of the disease in the body. Biological drugs prevent any recurrence of the outbreak and can make me painless, so for me a better life and quality of life. Hate having to wait for them to do the right thing, I would wish that all things would go okay with SBH, electric scooter and taxa (Taxa is a new reassessment of me in a year, as if it would make me well again with biological medicine, wish it did but it's a dream on my part and nothing other than a dream, I will never get well again like all others)
SBH is to get pleasures of a trip to Rosengårdcentret a trip into town, visit friends etc.
Oooh I also need a stand chair, so it will be easier for me to cook. Now I think I have write everything I need to make my life more easy with this illness.
All in this group is sweet and lovely, to care and give hugs for the persons in the complain department, I know how good it's to know you are not alone to talk about the crisis in my life and know you have love and support, from this group that give me the strength and hope to fight on, if this group was not there, I would soon have had a depression and I do not want to have zoloft again and this would have changed my personality so no one would recognize me again and I want to avoid that.
I know you guys do not want smooches, but here it come smooches and a lot of hugs to a amazing group of people, that I LOVE :-)
Thank you all for your sweet and lovely words that means a lot to me, thank you for your support xxx <3
I have good night sleep no nightmares, and a almost pain-free sleep :-) just wish it would stay like that, then I would have the energy to do some more things and not feel like all energy are gone after a few hours and then I need sleep again.
After my stiff neck, I have to change how I drink water, now have to have a glass standing where I drink the water off, if I drink from the tap then I end up several weeks with strained/stiff neck and the new outbreak of the disease too that makes it more delicate.
There have also been new outbreaks further up the back, so they are allowed to hasten to correct the things they have done wrong and give me biological medicine as soon as possible, before any new outbreaks of the disease in the body. Biological drugs prevent any recurrence of the outbreak and can make me painless, so for me a better life and quality of life. Hate having to wait for them to do the right thing, I would wish that all things would go okay with SBH, electric scooter and taxa (Taxa is a new reassessment of me in a year, as if it would make me well again with biological medicine, wish it did but it's a dream on my part and nothing other than a dream, I will never get well again like all others)
SBH is to get pleasures of a trip to Rosengårdcentret a trip into town, visit friends etc.
Oooh I also need a stand chair, so it will be easier for me to cook. Now I think I have write everything I need to make my life more easy with this illness.

Good choice Complainers…
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Sickeningly ( but not really) I have to say I love wrinkly dogs.... Somebody fetch the Ironing board , I need to iron my dogs!!

"Him I managed to kiss, but went no further; the distance between the mouth and the crotch seemd [sic] too great."
(J. R. Ackerley - My Father and Myself)
I love how eloquently the author describes his feelings in the extract above. Mind you, I am into penetrative sex, especially anal sex. Yet, I would love to have guys who would mean more than sex and ejaculation to me. I know I am being whiny (I haven't been educated in UK for nothing for a year and a half), and I repeat the same thing over and over in regular intervals, but I can't help myself stopping whenever I read anything like the extract. *slaps himself to get out of this silly ostensibly-romantic moment*
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