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Prince Dorian DeHavilliard ~ Character Discussion
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Dec 16, 2013 03:38PM
I never said they were together. "Being with," in quotes, was just a way of naming their little flirting game or whatever the heck it was.
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No, I'm sorry. They are pretty much the same thing, but I hadn't meant it in that way when I said it.
*quirks eyebrow* Don't you lot write a bunch of professional correspondence!!! XD
The thing is, I don't ship Dorian and Celaena. She is much better off with Chaol.BUT... As a character, Dorian is way better than Chaol. He is so much more interesting and layered, even from Book 1. Book 2 only added to his complexity.
Then perhaps I have worded it wrong. Would it be better to say that Dorian is much more relatable and almost quirky? In the sense of his messy room and disorderly timekeeping habits? I feel like I could be friends with Dorian.
Oh his procrastination.I was going to clear the table but... Books... Reading...
I love Dorian in the FP version and I still love him now. I swore my oath to Sara that I won't spoil all of you for the future books (because I have read the first version) but I think Sara's taking her time to develop Dorian's character. Chaol is sweet and loyal but you have yet to see Dorian's side. :)
I just want to share my laments to all Dorian supporters who didn't get the chance to see him in all his crowning glory. The published version is very different from the original one. I prefer the old version better. Anyway. Yes. Dorian. Dorian will develop. I assure you all! I want Aelin to end up with him :( Maybe it's because I read the first draft and if you were in my shoes, you'd root for Dorian. Chaol. Wow Chaol really developed in CoM! Like really! I hope Dorian will get the chance to have the limelight too :(
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Agreed. Although I appreciate Dorian as a character, etc. I just found it difficult to label his and Celaena's 'relationship' as just that. It was a brief flirtation. And in my opinion, not for a lack of trying on Dorian's part.
Although Dorian didn't seem to want anything serious, Celaena's seems to me to be the one who erected those barriers and didn't allow for it to become more serious. I like them so much better as friends, like they are in CoM.
How do you say chaol? It's such a weird name.
The website says it's pronounced like the name Cael, but I've developed my own strange way of saying it.
i like dorian because hes kind and a loyal friend..but some part of me thought that he will end up with Nehemia ..
I'm rereading ToG and I was reminded of an unexpressed thought that occurred during my first read. I suspect that there's more to be revealed about Dorian, who he is, and what role he has yet to play. His dissimilarity in appearance to his father and his ability to use magic makes me suspect that maybe he isn't really his father's son.
Either him or his dad is not a Havilliard.
Em wrote: "Either him or his dad is not a Havilliard."It's been awhile since I've read the first two books, but I seem to remember a part where Gaven Havilliard, the first king of Adarlan was mentioned to have the exact same eyes as Dorian. Or maybe it was Elena ...
Like I said its been awhile, but Dorian is definitely a Havilliard. I don't about his dad, so he might not be. Maybe the Queen had an affair and it was with a guy who unknowingly had Haviliard blood.
I love Dorian so much. I have loved him from the time he gave her the books in Throne of Glass. When he gave Celaena Fleetfoot I was sold. He is such an interesting character. He has many of the same traits as Celaena. He loves reading, animals specifically dogs, and they both have magic which is discovered in Crown of Midnight. I also feel like Dorian and Celaena were friends first, and as time went on feelings developed. I have just recently read Heir of Fire and I think that Dorian's loyalty and friendship with Celaena clearly was shown. As for the ending of Heir of Fire my heart was breaking for Dorian. If you have read Heir of Fire you know what I am talking about.
Liz wrote: "Em wrote: "Either him or his dad is not a Havilliard."It's been awhile since I've read the first two books, but I seem to remember a part where Gaven Havilliard, the first king of Adarlan was men..."
Yep, Liz, you're right.
Dorian is definitely a Havilliard, as he and Gavin resemble and have the same eyes.
Now here's the thing, is the Havilliard relationship supposed to come from the Paternal side as opposed to Dorian's mum? Didn't the king grow up in the castle?
I feel like we need a Wiki with family trees posted, bc I can't keep track of every thing from book to book, especially when there's a whole year between when they come out.
I don't think Sarah ever clarified if Dorian's Havilliard side comes from his mom or dad. Probably that's why she never revealed the king's name.I've always wondered if he was related to Arobynn
I think the general consensus is that it comes from his father's side, though I have no idea if it has ever been explicitly stated.@ Stephanie I was thinking along the line that some generations ago things took a bit of a detour and the guy who ended up being King, or Queen for that matter, was somebody who didn't actually have any royal blood. Somebody's love child who everyone thought was a prince(cess). The "royal" line keeps on and so does the real line. An affair between Dorian's mother and a member of the real Havilliard line spawns Dorian. This is just my imagination running wild.
It is equally likely that the Gods just decided to bless Dorian so he can save Adarlan.
if Dorian is the true Havilliard, that him distant cousins with Aelin/Celaena and part Fae. Could explain where he got his magic from too.
Alexis wrote: "if Dorian is the true Havilliard, that him distant cousins with Aelin/Celaena and part Fae. Could explain where he got his magic from too."it's so weird. Celaena is a part of Elena's lineage and Dorian, Gavin's. But they married, bringing both of that together, so where do the lines split off regarding respected family members and generations for both D and C?
@Liz I think that's a compelling theory. It's one I've been ruminating over in the back of my head too. What makes this hard to really pin down though is the fact that it's been alluded to that Dorian is possibly able to still have magic bc the king didn't band his own magic, just the rest of the country's. Thus, leaving Dorian's intact as an extension of his own genes/lineage.
@ Alexis True, but considering that the original marriage was hundreds of years ago I don't think they really count as cousins anymore. And it's definitely where he got his magic from.@Stephanie Huh, I forgot about that. That does bring the theory down. I'm not sure what to think anymore, other than the being blessed with unlocking his long lost blood line.
Anybody else notice that blood and heritage is HUGE in this series?
Are there any Dorian fans around? Have you got any theories about what's coming for him? You think we'll still get his POV in book 4, and if we do will it actually be the Valg prince with the real Dorian fighting for control and breaking through every once and again?Sarah recently pinned two pictures that made me think of him. The first one is labeled "book 4" and it's a person riding out from the castle. I really hope it's Dorian. It would be great to see him outside of the castle. He badly needs a change of scenery.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
The second one is labeled as "book 5" and I think it's supposed to be the same person (and the same horse). This one gave me a pause because it looks like he's leading an army in a battle, and I could only see that happening if he's still under the King's influence. Is it possible he still has the collar on in book 5? Please no.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
Bia: YESSSS, but the second one kind of looked like lorcan to me. But yeah if love to get Dorian out of the castle.I really hope Dorian breaks out of the collars power on his own but I doubt that will happen so in guess Aelin and Chaol will prob find him and find a way to get the collar off him.
After that happens I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in a short coma like sleep or something.
Bia and Priya--Yes, I love Dorian too! I was concerned at the way book 3 ended. If his mind isn't free in book 4, I'm afraid we won't get much Dorian perspectives/storylines. I want him free of that collar as quickly as possible!
Same I really want to know what his thought process will be with the collar, will he be like a zombie? Or will it be sorta like he's trapped in his body? Either way if we do get his POV it will be really cool to read because of how different his thoughts will be
Getting that collar off soon probably wont happen because SJM likes to torture us but I hope it hasn't hurt him (or hurt him too bad)when it does come off..
Yeah, that's true. I hope he's still himself in there so that we can get his perspective on things. He has a lot to process! I wonder how the King will try to pose the situation for the rest of the castle. Will he keep Dorian in jail, or like control him as though nothing happened? That collar would be hard to hide. I wonder if his Mom or others would be able to tell something is wrong.
It was torture just reading your post, oh god I'm going to die if it doesn't come off in the next book
I think Dorian won't lose his mind completely. The Valg princes will dominate his body and control his actions, but his mind will still be there, you know? And he will fight to regain control of himself. At least I hope so
I love Dorian so much and was heart broken how Heir of Fire ended. I knew his dad was cruel, but putting a collar on your own son! His father must have really seen Dorian as a threat. I hope that Celaena comes to Dorian's rescue in book 4. If it isn't even hinted that Dorian will be saved at the end of book 4, I may question finishing this series since I love him so much.
Rachel: I have this theory that Dorians dad isn't really his dad. It would explain his almost hatred of Dorian, I think Hollin is his real son though that's why he lets that prick act like a brat
Priya wrote: "Rachel: I have this theory that Dorians dad isn't really his dad. It would explain his almost hatred of Dorian, I think Hollin is his real son though that's why he lets that prick act like a brat"Hmm that would explain his behavior towards Dorian...
Thanks Priya. I just thought what if Hollin comes back in book 4 and tries to take the throne from Dorian, since Dorian is now under mind control. That would be really bad.
That would be really bad, but he's like 12 I think, and he isn't a very mature 12ish year old. If he was mature he could define they be able to be the heir instead of Dorian but right now it doesn't seem that likley
I would love to get some more insight on the Havillard family dynamics. Dorian doesn't seem to have a good relationship with anyone in his immediate family. I wonder if there were events in his childhood that played a role in that. I wonder how the King feels about Hollin?
Booknut wrote: "WordlesslyAmazed03 wrote: "No one is mad at you. We applaud you."Indeed we do - at least I do!"
ME TOO :)
I think that the Dorian isn't actually the King of Adarlan's son. B/c the King has steel-gray eyes and the queen isn't really significant in the story. I have a theory that Dorian's real parents were killed when he was a young child and that the King Of Adarlan replaced the previous real king. (This is totally random but im just ranting.) and the Queen was so traumatized that she forgot about it and she actually believed that the present king of Adarlan is her husband. And Hollin is his real son.
I think that the king was an ordinary guy with a grudge against magic before but later that grudge became bigger and bigger and bigger until it became and obsession and he craved for power. With his magic I think he killed the king and tricked the court and the queen and basically everyone into thinking he was the real king. Dorian is not the kings actual son, I think Hollin is though. Dorian is basically the only havilliard left that is not a cousin or some thing. Also explains why the kings name was never mentioned and why the king and queen don't sleep in the same room
Priya wrote: "I think that the king was an ordinary guy with a grudge against magic before but later that grudge became bigger and bigger and bigger until it became and obsession and he craved for power. With hi..."I like your theory..
Do you think Dorian has the same power as Rowan ?
I LOVE DORIAN! IWILL FOREVER BE TEAM DORIAN!!
@Mirou - Dorian has raw magic which was said to be: "The rarest, and deadliest, kind. Sheer undiluted power, capable of being shaped into whatever form the wielder desired." It's true that it usually manifests in ice/wind when he's too overwhelmed with emotions and can't control it, but he's used fire in the library scene when he and Celaena were sealing the door in CoM and stopped Celaena from killing Chaol and knocked out a demon creature to protect Chaol, so his magic can be just about anything he needs it to be.
I'm kinda looking forward to the Aelin vs. dark!Dorian face off/battle that will inevitably happen in Queen of Shadows. That's gonna be intense.
Bia wrote: "@Mirou - Dorian has raw magic which was said to be: "The rarest, and deadliest, kind. Sheer undiluted power, capable of being shaped into whatever form the wielder desired." It's true that it usu..."
Yep, me too can't wait !
i love all these theories..... xD i have somehow played with the thought that Dorian may have a tendency to turn into dark!Dorian especially during the time he was together with Celaena because there is so much love and want between them and it would be devastating to see them fight.... but oh wow! if Dorian is Aelin's mate then they can't hurt each other..... and oh gee~ i just want them to be happy in the end, and it would be so majestic if they end up as King and Queen... TOGETHER.... in the end... xD
