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message 1: by Zervy (last edited Oct 31, 2012 03:24AM) (new)

Zervy | 60 comments Problem: I would like if these grey-coloured series texts showed up on my profile with book's titles. So please add series to title and fix some incorrect order.

Let's get started with finnish editions of C. S. Lewis' books.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...
incorrect: Velho ja leijona
correct: Velho ja leijona (Narnian tarinat, #1)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12...
incorrect: Prinssi Kaspian (Narnian tarinat, #4)
correct: Prinssi Kaspian (Narnian tarinat, #2)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...
incorrect: Kaspianin matka maailman ääriin
correct: Kaspianin matka maailman ääriin (Narnian tarinat, #3)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33...
incorrect: Hopeinen tuoli
correct: Hopeinen tuoli (Narnian tarinat, #4)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/84...
incorrect: Hevonen ja poika
correct: Hevonen ja poika (Narnian tarinat, #5)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/84...
incorrect: Taikurin sisarenpoika (Narnian tarinat, #1)
correct: Taikurin sisarenpoika (Narnian tarinat, #6)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...
incorrect: Narnian viimeinen taistelu
correct: Narnian viimeinen taistelu (Narnian tarinat, #7)


message 2: by Debbie's Spurts (D.A.) (last edited Oct 31, 2012 05:04AM) (new)

Debbie's Spurts (D.A.) | 2 comments I added Finnish series name to Title fields; made series numbering corrections to same (there are two English language series, one for chronological order which was causing some incorrect numbering).

Some had book descriptions using the default English descriptions; but, my Finnish is not fluent enough to begin to translate.


message 3: by Zervy (new)

Zervy | 60 comments Thank you! Yes, there are two different orders and it was annoying to decide which one would have been better. But any order is better than no ordering at all... I will check these descriptions and one incorrect cover sometime later.

Well, there's more finnish serieses which needs to be added to titles.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65...
incorrect: Kuninkaiden koitos (Tulen ja Jään Laulu, #2) (Tulen ja Jään Laulu, #2) <--- series name are also in book's title
correct: Kuninkaiden koitos (Tulen ja Jään Laulu, #2)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/67...
incorrect: Miekkamyrsky 1 (Tulen ja Jään Laulu #3 osa1)
correct: Miekkamyrsky 1 (Tulen ja Jään Laulu, #3 osa 1/2)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/67...
incorrect: Miekkamyrsky 2 (Tulen ja Jään Laulu #3 part 2)
correct: Miekkamyrsky 2 (Tulen ja Jään Laulu, #3 osa 2/2)

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http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/71...
incorrect: Muumit ja suuri tuhotulva
correct: Muumit ja suuri tuhotulva (Muumit, #1)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...
incorrect: Muumipeikko ja pyrstötähti
correct: Muumipeikko ja pyrstötähti (Muumit, #2)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...
incorrect: Taikurin hattu
correct: Taikurin hattu (Muumit, #3)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...
incorrect: Muumipapan urotyöt
correct: Muumipapan urotyöt (Muumit, #4)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/81...
incorrect: Vaarallinen Juhannus
correct: Vaarallinen juhannus (Muumit, #5) <--- notice that small letter j

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/99...
incorrect: Taikatalvi
correct: Taikatalvi (Muumit, #6)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/99...
incorrect: Näkymätön lapsi ja muita kertomuksia
correct: Näkymätön lapsi ja muita kertomuksia (Muumit, #7)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10...
incorrect: Muumipappa ja meri
correct: Muumipappa ja meri (Muumit, #8)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/97...
incorrect: Muumilaakson marraskuu
correct: Muumilaakson marraskuu (Muumit, #9)

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http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14...
incorrect: The Walking Dead - Ensimmäinen kirja
correct: The Walking Dead - Ensimmäinen kirja (The Walking Dead #1-12)

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16...
incorrect: The Walking Dead - Toinen kirja
correct: The Walking Dead - Toinen kirja (The Walking Dead #13-24)


message 4: by Pamela (last edited Nov 10, 2012 04:47AM) (new)

Pamela (WaterSpout) | 205 comments Done (: For the Chronicles of Narnia, shouldn't we just follow the chronological order? I mean, isn't that what they do for Star Wars? Yes, #4 came out first but it is still the fourth in the series. It's just weird, you know, because The Horse and His Boy is book 3 in some editions and book 5 in some editions, and while I get that there are two different numberings, I believe that the numberings should just stay in the series order (series page) and the numbers should be the same for all. Unless it's really different (like in other countries)..


message 5: by Tntexas (new)

Tntexas | 404 comments Pamela wrote: "Done (: For the Chronicles of Narnia, shouldn't we just follow the chronological order? I mean, isn't that what they do for Star Wars?"

But in that case, number 4 has always been listed as being number 4; hasn't it? Even when it first came out? The Narnia series hasn't always been listed in chronological order. There was a time when they were published and listed by the publisher in the order of which they were written.


message 6: by Pamela (new)

Pamela (WaterSpout) | 205 comments Yes, of course (:

What I was trying to say is that the same book have different numbering. I wasn't trying to get the other series deleted.

Here, these are editions of The Magician's Nephew and one is listed as #6 and the other is #1:

#1 - http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50...
#6 - http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65...

You'd only see the difference once you click 'edit' though. What I'm trying to propose is to just make all the editions #1 or #6. There will be no deletion of any of its series, but the numberings for each individual book will be the same. Was that clearer than my previous post?


message 7: by Banjomike (new)

Banjomike | 5524 comments Pamela wrote: "What I'm trying to propose is to just make all the editions #1 or #6. "

Wouldn't work. The Magician’s Nephew is book 6 but there is no way to enforce it. The ink wouldn't be dry before something was altered.

The Narnia books are a special case.

From the moment the first book (The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe) was written until 30 years after C.S. Lewis died the first book was always The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. No problems. If Lewis wanted any differerent reading order he could have told his publishers and they would have done it. He never did. The alleged change in reading order to chronological order seems to be only mentioned by Lewis in one single, solitary, letter that he wrote to a young child who actually wanted to read them in that order. Lewis was happy to let that child read them in that order. He still did not make any attempt to alter the "public" order.

The numbering change that moved The Magician’s Nephew to position 1 was done by a publisher. The same series of changes also included the error-ridden lists of characters so I'm not convinced that the publishers knew what they were doing.

The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe WAS the first Narnia book written and the first Narnia book published. It is also the ONLY Narnia book that starts by assuming that you know nothing about Narnia. The Magician’s Nephew starts by assuming you have ALREADY read about Narnia "...It is a very important story because it shows how all the comings and goings between our own world and the land of Narnia first began" (my bold) which makes no sense at all for the first book in the series when no-one would have heard about Narnia.


message 8: by Banjomike (last edited Nov 10, 2012 03:12PM) (new)

Banjomike | 5524 comments If a modern edition is printed with "volume x" on the cover then it makes sense to use that "x" in the title and add the book to both the series.

But changing the old editions to use the modern numbering would be wrong.


Edit: there was a posting here referring to an eBay listing. I've deleted my quote from that posting.


message 9: by Tntexas (last edited Nov 10, 2012 03:26PM) (new)

Tntexas | 404 comments Pamela wrote: "Yes, of course (:

What I was trying to say is that the same book have different numbering. I wasn't trying to get the other series deleted.

Here, these are editions of The Magician's Nephew and one is listed as #6 and the other is #1:

#1 - http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50...
#6 - http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65...

You'd only see the difference once you click 'edit' though. What I'm trying to propose is to just make all the editions #1 or #6. There will be no deletion of any of its series, but the numberings for each individual book will be the same. Was that clearer than my previous post?"


But the newer and older sets of the books have different numbers printed directly on the covers of the individual titles. For instance, this 1970 edition of The Magician's Nephew has the words Book 6 of the Chronicles of Narnia printed directly on its cover. So why would you want to number this particular edition as #1 (assuming chronological order was the order chosen) when it was clearly not considered to be the first one when it was printed? Same holds for the other direction too. If you're going by information found on the covers, the only book your suggestion won't pose a problem for is the last one; all of the others are going to have different numbers on them depending on when the edition of the book was printed.

Banjomike wrote: "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe WAS the first Narnia book written and the first Narnia book published. It is also the ONLY Narnia book that starts by assuming that you know nothing about Narnia. The Magician’s Nephew starts by assuming you have ALREADY read about Narnia "...It is a very important story because it shows how all the comings and goings between our own world and the land of Narnia first began" (my bold) which makes no sense at all for the first book in the series when no-one would have heard about Narnia."

I agree. I really wish the publishers had left the order alone. Their "improvements" really weren't.


message 10: by Tntexas (new)

Tntexas | 404 comments Banjomike wrote: "Edit: there was a posting here referring to an eBay listing. I've deleted my quote from that posting."

Sorry. That was my posting you're refering to. I posted one answer to Pamela and then decided delete it and post a different one after re-reading her post. I did it almost immediately after posting it so I didn't think anyone had seen it. Sorry for the confusion.


message 11: by Pamela (new)

Pamela (WaterSpout) | 205 comments Tntexas wrote: "But the newer and older sets of the books have different numbers printed directly on the covers of the individual titles. For instance, this 1970 edition of The Magician's Nephew has the words Book 6 of the Chronicles of Narnia printed directly on its cover..."

Oh, sorry I did not know that. (:


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