Is it Just me or Does Bella Seem like Jr Wards Favorite?

[Jenna]

True she is an important character. So who's excited for the next one about Trez and iam (I still haven't read the king yet)

[Dhfan4life]

Oh I definitely am given all that is going down where they are concerned in the King. In particular, in regards to another new character that was introduced that is tied in from their world.

[Jenna]

I need to hurry and read it :)

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

She can talk while doing her work but she always adds her personal comentary in there too, and that's what gets on my nerves. And what makes it even more weird, and one sided, Ehlena is always present there with her (cos we're told this) and yet she doesn't speak at all. And now even Manny barely speaks as well. And they are just as instrumental in those medicals scenes as Jane is.. but Jane is just everywhere in that house not just in the medical hanger. Ward can still write Jane doing her job without always having her talk every time. She does it with Ehlena and Manny.

[Dhfan4life]

Yea, it was pretty wowza in regards to Beth and Wrath, the shadows. Heck even Blay and Qhuinn. Whom read as little boys in a way to me.

[Jenna]

I see where your coming from Nhya. A lot of the shellans are present but they don't get any page time. Like at all the first and last meals and many other times

[Dhfan4life]

~*~Princess Nhya~*~ wrote: "She can talk while doing her work but she always adds her personal comentary in there too, and that's what gets on my nerves. And what makes it even more weird, and one sided, Ehlena is always pres..."

True, but I think it is a combo of whom Jane is mated to. And I actually loved her standing out when Wrath was being an ass hat in the King for a change. And the other part is that I think maybe, and I could be wrong here. But she might some how feels like she can relate to Jane a little bit. I mean from the way Jane is described a little bit and how Ward herself looks on the back cover of the books...Good be a bit of a stretch but yea. Maybe her way to add herself in the story a little bit without dominating it with her own personal voice so to speak.

Will add I will agree the other shellans do take a much farther back seat at times. But I think that is more or less a thing about Ward's writing style in the series. As I've talked about this before with another friend and we said how other shellans don't have much air time, same with Manny. But also in regards to Xhex and her mother getting to know each other better even. I personally though that was handled rather strangely too. I may not be a fan of Xhex's mom but it was weird that there was not much interaction between them at all save for a few scenes.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

I've always said Jane is really Ward. From looks to their medical backgrounds. WArd use to be a director of some sort in a medical field. So I really believe she has written herself into the series.. but this fact just makes me dislike Jane's character even more. And she has by far never been my fave Shellan to begin with

[Dhfan4life]

Ya know I had thought the same when I read that Ward had some medical know how with things. But ya know this poses a interesting question really. Is it ever a good idea for an author to write themselves into their work or not? And if they do, should their character self be just as influential in the story? Or not so much? Hmm.

[Jenna]

Good point I don't think said character should have that big of a part that's just like sons of anarchy Kurt had his own character in the show but not a main character. I understand wanting to have a part in your work I just don't feel like it should be one of the main ones

[Dhfan4life]

Yea, that is possibly why she made Jane a main character, 3 times removed maybe? Like instead of being Wrath's half human mate cause Wrath is too prominent, and couldn't be Tohr's Wellsie because that relationship was too epic in her world and Tohr is Wrath's second in command of a sorts. So what is better than being the shellan of the third most important male? And maybe the ghost thing too where Jane was concerned, help put a bit of a control over how involved Ward got involved with Jane's character. Meaning, could have so easily got swept up in writing what she(Ward) would want instead of what actually was true for Jane herself.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

But that's exactly what Ward has wound up doing with Jane/herself... No one can deny that Jane is the Most exposed and present Shellan in this series since she came on the scene in book 5. She's the Brotherhood's personal on site doc, she's mated to the darkest most intelligent cunning Brother, V, and since she already died and came back from the dead, she can never be killed again. She gets plenty of dialogue with any scene she's present in. Including her snarky 2 cents.. and she's deemed the perfect match for V cos she can match him in intelligence..

[Dhfan4life]

Mhmm. However it is her writing and her world though. And I guess rather we like it or not, it is her choice to write herself in and have more scene time than other females in the series.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

Dhfan4life wrote: "Mhmm. However it is her writing and her world though. And I guess rather we like it or not, it is her choice to write herself in and have more scene time than other females in the series."

True.. but it still doesn't stop her from sucking in my eyes for doing it LOL

[Dhfan4life]

Oh well of course there is that lol. But as most have told me before, it's the author's work. If we don't like their rules or choices can quit reading and read something else.

So instead of doing that completely, I pick my battles, like not liking Wrath from the beginning, feeling that Butch and Marissa were awesome as a second chance couple, wanting to kick Ward in the shins for changing Tohr in his book, heck even making it through the bachelor version marriage proposal for Blay and Qhuinn in the end of their book

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

LOL! Yea I feel like even though I clearly don't love this series as much as I use to, I've always had issues with something Ward has done with certain characters, but that's part of why I love it too. As much as I may hate or dislike certain elements, it's not a cookie cutter series and I like that. There is no perfect happy bow tied ending or occurrence with every book & that's what keeps it fresh. I just wish so much that more of what I use to love about this series, was still present now.

[Jenna]

Speaking of having a happy ending that's something I really like about this series in the characters books they end happy and together but in future books it shows how troubles still can happen like with Beth and Wrath when Beth left and went and visited her old apartment and then Jane and v it just shows that there can still be trouble in paradise

[Dhfan4life]

I hear ya Princess Nhya. Does sort of suck when the original feel of a series isn't quite there any more. But I guess too me nit-picking at things here and there in the series is my way of loving it too. Just I'll stick to discussions like this and not join one of the more organized groups for the books. I might get mobbed for not loving everyone of them LOL.

I also agree with you both about the couples coming back with some couple issues of their own. Does keep it more realistic. I just don't like how Ward writes it where some couples just dominate the hell out of someone else's book with their issues. Looking at you V and Jane when I say that big time. As I still think there could have been more intrigue where Payne was concerned. But it seemed like V and Jane came into Payne and Manny's house so to speak and just talked over everything they did there. Like look at us more than my sis and her guy. V dropped some cool points with me for that, especially at their 'issues' didn't even seem to be about anything important in the first place.

[Jenna]

See that's how I felt during Quinn and Blays book I felt like they got the short end of the stick with their book I felt like Trez and iam dominated their book to much going on Layla and the band of bastards not enough Quinn and Blay I thought

[Dhfan4life]

Don't kick me. But I honestly thought Trez and iAm and even Layla sub plots were sorta a godsend in Blay and Qhuinn's book at times. Cause although they were a long awaited couple and I was heavily on their gravy train. Reading some of their interactions together til like midway/ the end of things, for me was not that great. I mean I felt like Ward totally didn't come through on yet another sorta in story promise she made to readers. Meaning in the previous book when they had that special and intense look at each other and it was reading like they were going to cut the BS and finally get it together to be together, I was ah yea, this is finally going to be it in their book!

Then I crack open their book and it's more of the evading and pushing each other away. The keeping really small things from each other at first. And it got to be super annoying to me. Couple that with some of those initial 'love' scenes which I felt read a little too careful and out of character of sorts while still being IN character(if that makes sense) and not really lost in the passion of finally being together like some of the other couples in the series so far. I mean if I was finally hooking up with the dude I wanted for umpteen forevers, I would not care about or worry over if we broke the lamp or about having to move to the floor so we don't break the pretty couch. Hell we all know the Doggen live to do stuff for these guys, so just add broken furniture to the tab and get to acting like this is some real deal getting it on time. But it just didn't feel that way to me til Blay was the top and he told that chick to move away from his man in the club to me.

[Jenna]

I completely understand where your coming from! I did like reading about Layla just not so much about Trez and iam. I'm anxious (still haven't read the king keep in mind) to read more about Layla and xcor that whole forbidden love thing. But I do see where your coming from with Quinn and Blay they weren't as intense as I expected them to be.

[Dhfan4life]

Ya know when Trez and iAm were first introduced I was pretty intrigued by that. I mean they were like the big burly back up to pimp daddy Rhevenge lol and it was pretty cool. Now learning how much of a massssive slut puppy Trez has been. My interest has kind of cooled on him. More interested in Selena in that equation. iAm is still pretty cool to me. Although I don't like how my prediction of him reading like the next Phury came true though. Also how so much of his existence has been tied to and made accountable for his brother. But shall prove interesting on how things pan out with the executioner of their people having thrown them a loop hole.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

Ok the couples who got the major shaft in their books, were Phury/Cormia, Payne/Manny..... I don't think Q and Blay got the shaft cos so much of their story has played out over the course of this series since book 5. So the subplots in their book didn't bother me in that respect.. I do feel the love scenes with them were quite hot even though I still got the feeling that Ward was being a bit safe with them... I loved Trez and iAm plot in LaL cos I was so happy finally be getting a plot and some history on them. While I was lovin Assail at the time, I was not too interested in the cat and mouse he and Sola had going on at the time. And Assail and Sola still got more page time in LaL than Trez did. I was much more interested in Trez' plot. Loved Layla and Xcor more in LaL than I did in the King. They were seriously MIA, in The King

[Dhfan4life]

I will add Ehlena and Rhev read a bit like they got the shaft to me too a bit in theirs. Particularly when they were first being romantic. Seemed like it took 2 or 3 sub plots before we got back to them. Mhmm, I only felt that Q and Blay got shafted in how them actually getting together was supposed to go. I was over the drama with them and to add more in their book seemed kind of tiresome. I will never understand the cat and mouse of Assail and Sola. I think Ward is still pondering out what to do with them given how things are going. Or maybe because she knew they were going to eventually get together she back burnered them for a time.

[Jenna]

I just don't like all the sub plots. I think to many in one book is just annoying. I dunno that's just my opinion a lot of other series I like do it too though.

[Dhfan4life]

Yea true. As I remember when I first started the series so many would say how they skimmed or couldn't stand the Lesser sub plots. But I did. Cause I wanted to know who the enemy was and what was going on with them and their thought process was. And for a time it was good there with Mr. X. But then it just went bye bye.

[Jenna]

I'm with you I liked reading about the lessers. Just like I like reading about the band of bastards. I just think it becomes messy when there is to many

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

Jenna wrote: "I just don't like all the sub plots. I think to many in one book is just annoying. I dunno that's just my opinion a lot of other series I like do it too though."

Yeah it's more annoying for me too. I LIKE the old formula for these books better..


See D, I loved Rehv's book.. to this day I think that was the only book that had tons of plots, but was still balanced in the sense that it still felt like it was Rehv and Ehlena's book. The other book that I think the subplots were done well in was Lover Reborn too.

[Jenna]

Agrees I didn't like them in LaL

[Dhfan4life]

Yea I like reading about the B.O.Bs too. But that is mostly cause I've wanted to kick Wrath in the shins since his first book lol. But yes so agree when the sub plots runneth over. My eyes actually glaze over a bit when I'm not feeling the direction Ward is going in. So I'll second the old formula format.

Oh I was locked in either way in Rhev's book. Loved the different aspect of the Sympaths. And plots to take out Wrath were just as good too. So can't knock that and hey Rhev and Ehlena still wound up together anyway. That was the main thing. Seeing Lover Reborn just makes me twitch all over. Always felt too soon to me. Didn't care for the love interest. And Ward did bad, bad things, to Tohr in that one. That I still don't like her for.

[Jenna]

I will honestly say the things Thor went through in that book I actually cried I laid in bed and cried during that book. I don't think I've ever cried over a book like that. My boyfriend thought I was crazy

[Dhfan4life]

I sooo don't blame you Jenna. I didn't necessarily cry but my heart literally hurt and I was just sick reading what he had to go through. Hell I even hated Lassiter's role in things too. I mean I was suspicious of there suddenly being an angel in the story out of nowhere when Tohr came back. But to realize Lassiter's purpose was to....I just can't even say it cause it was that bad. And how she had Tohr acting too. Just blew my mind. I mean he was one of the most level headed and steadfast true blue characters since book 1 to me. Hell he didn't even deck Wrath when Wrath got out of hand and would have let him hit him. And then in this book...just ugh, wow, and dear lord all rolled into one.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

Jenna wrote: "I will honestly say the things Thor went through in that book I actually cried I laid in bed and cried during that book. I don't think I've ever cried over a book like that. My boyfriend thought I ..."

LOL.. Me too! I didn't want to cry with Tohr's book. I REALLY tried not too. I was happy to finally get Tohr's book cos I had been waiting on his conclusion since book 3. I wanted Tohr happy more than I wanted him to mourn Wellsie forever. So I thought his book came right on time. I felt like if V could have an HEA with a damn ghost who should have never been able to come back, & if Wellsie wasn't coming back then Tohr definitely deserved to have his 2nd chance HEA

[Dhfan4life]

Oh I wasn't opposed to his getting a second chance happily ever after. But I don't know, the timeline just seemed far too quick. I mean it was like he went from finally getting up to eating more food and repairing his house to going down the bonded aisle again in a matter of seconds. Add to that, said second chance love interest barely had much life to her other than being a female doggen jr. and even being caught up in her own in-between stuff too. Just didn't feel like it lined up. And how hard Ward was pushing him to get over Wellsie and his child. That was just so damn brutal.
I still think a ghost is more plausible in a paranormal story than the forever young Manny. He is going to end up being a fetus pretty soon. Actually how I think of him now lol.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

I think that was a good character arc for Tohr though.. because he was the most level, steadfast brother, when he lost what he lost he had to break, and start over. Learn things about himself that he thought he already knew. Trying to find himself again while accepting certain things about him to his core will be forever changed. His whole foundation was shook. So it made perfect sense to me when it came to the changes and process Tohr went through in his book to come out on the other side. Even the strong are weak at times and fall apart, lose their way. And they may be forever changed or maybe not. But that's what made Tohr's book so awesome and heartbreaking for me all at the same time.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

PNR anything is possible... this is true. It isn't the ghost concept that bothers me though, its the way it all played out and where it stands now and why, that I have a problem with. Never liked Jane always felt the chemistry for her and V was forced, then she dies and is able to come back and live out her HEA as a ghost... just not feelin it... I buy Manny's outcome better cos its already placed in a world where Vampires don't age and live centuries upon centuries, so it made perfect sense to me that Manny's woman who is the offspring of a deity who created the vamp race, would have the ability to slow Manny's aging process. That makes more sense to me and meshes much better than V and Jane's situation.

[Dhfan4life]

Oh I get all the process and work through that he would have to have gone through. And totally agree he would be forever changed. But still it was super too soon. And what I'm speaking of in regards to changing, I mean like stuff like hitting himself in the privates cause he has an attraction to another woman. Really? Even falling all over himself with what's her name and coming down to meal time half dressed and growling at people. Again really? Ward turned him into a Neanderthal over Xhex's mom who barely had enough of a role in anything other than being a servant and supposed was to be there getting to know her daughter which barely even happened either. I mean I could almost see him going through all that if his second chance HEA was someone like Bella and Rhev's mom. But Xhex's? I don't see any logic to that at all.

[Jenna]

I liked the match up with autumn. Only because you can tell from the back story he cared for her back then when it was him and Darius tending to her I do agree it felt like he was pushed to get over the death of the young and his mate. I mean he was FORCED so he could save them

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

Yeah I liked the concept with he and Autumn. I DIDN'T always though... til I read the book. I felt that had he note been betrothed to Wellsie and had not fallen for her, he would have chosen Autumn all those centuries ago... and yea Tohr was doing alot of stuff out of character, but all of his actions just showed that was all part of the process for him. Getting through his stuff. He had over 4 centuries with Wellsie. I'm sure he never thought he would desire another female again, but to realize he does, then feel its wrong to feel that way on top of the stress concerning his deceased shelling and son, I really didn't expect Tohr to do anything "normal" or in sync with who he use to be, to be honest

[Dhfan4life]

~*~Princess Nhya~*~ wrote: "PNR anything is possible... this is true. It isn't the ghost concept that bothers me though, its the way it all played out and where it stands now and why, that I have a problem with. Never liked ..."

Ah, well see what you are speaking of ties in to the V, Jane, and Butch scenario that many have expressed not being a fan of. I agree that Butch and V had more chemistry for sure. But I think at the time I don't know if Ward felt like Butch had much of a purpose just yet in the story. And V was kind of not all there in his head getting himself shot. So probably Ward's way of adding in a doc version of herself/cock blocking the Butch and V's HEA possibilities.
As for Manny and the slowing down of the aging, I have read my share of vamp stories. And even just a few mins ago someone else I'm talking to about the BDB books about too, mentioned that the slowing of the age thing was brought up in the Story of Son too(which I didn't quite like the vibe with so wasn't paying that much attention to it in the first place). But honestly though, after having read some vampire stories over the years. The slowing down of the age thing just never sounds/reads right to me. And in Manny's case when women much younger than he is thinking he is in college too or something. That just seems like quite a leap.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

I'm not a Vutch fan though... I like their bromance chemistry but I've never wanted them "together"...... Everything about V and Jane felt forced to me. Nothing ever really flowed with them organically for me. I envisioned V to be with a very different type of woman. One who is strong and can hold her own with him like, Jane, but one who has more than just a strong intellectual ground with him. Notice how this is the only plus that Ward plays in with them? U don't see that tangible undeniable pull emotionally or even physically, with them like you do with the other couples. V's book is my least liked book in this series and I've read it like 5 or 6 times trying to see if something will click with me concerning he and Jane, for the better. But sadly it never has

[Dhfan4life]

Totally agree with you on the forced thing Jenna. And I saw the caring about her in Lover Mine and even Ward's writing on the wall with Tohr, Darius, Xhex and her mom. But I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with ya Princess Nhya about Tohr and Autumn's relationship. I may have liked it more if I just saw more to Autumn than what we were getting. I mean what we got felt like fish food when your trying to feed a shark. Not gonna satisfy that big an appetite for me anyway.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

LOL.. I did want more with Autumn too. I THINK Ward could have definitely given more than what she did with her, but she gave me enough to have me finally believe it, so I won't complain about that. LOL

[Dhfan4life]

Really? I swear I heard Marvin Gaye when V presented Butch with his first set of black daggers. And even before then when it came out that they had slept together after meeting. Had me thinking yea there is something there. Cause even if it was just sleep, what two hetero guys share a bed that aren't related? Hmmm. And hey a cock block doesn't have to be super sexy to get the job done lol. Intelligence works out just fine too. ;)

Ok then might I ask what you thought of Phury and Cormia? Hmmm.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

To me V and Butch have a connection that transcends anything physical. Stronger than friendship, stronger than love even. That's what makes their whole relationship dynamic unique to me. U can't put them in a certain box and say "this is their relationship" V definitely had stronger physical desires for Butch, but him being attracted to a male wasn't his first rodeo either, so it was easier for him to embrace this side of himself. This in turn made Butch wonder though, for the 1st time in his life about a guy, if he took it there with V, what that would be like.. But Butch at the end of the day, was all about the ladies. but he loves V in a way that even he can't explain. But it's there. Butch also knew it would never go further. He loved and was committed to Marissa, when V worked through his feelings and realized it was Jane he wanted, all was good.

Like I said I've never wanted them together cos I feel like it would ruin the type of relationship that they already have. And the fact that they are both mated now, if they were to get together, it would totally undermine the meaning behind bonded mates & ruin Butch & V's very sacred and unique friendship..... So the dynamic with V & Butch, wasn't what caused me to dislike V & Jane. They simply just don't mesh for me. I always envisioned V with a certain type of woman. From book 1, I was eager to know who his mate was going to be. So when I get to his book and realized his mate was Jane/Ward? Yea, I wasn't happy about that LOL!

From a writer's stand point I think V and Butch was really a test run for Ward anyway, to see how this type of relationship would be received in this series without actually crossing those lines. I don't believe she ever intended for them to be together. When she saw the reception of it, the haters & the lovers, she chose to keep Butch & V where they were at, but then decided to go full throttle with Q & Blay. Which was also suspect to me cos Q was always very adamant about settling down with a woman. But after book 6 all of sudden he's wanting Blay. I really think that Ward was originally gonna have Q be with a Chosen cos that would have made an interesting plot device concerning Q's less than stellar genes being paired with something of perfection like a Chosen. This also explains why Ward still chose to have Q & a Chosen (Layla) to have a child together. She gave the Q & Blay fans what they wanted, but she still took a little of what she had intended to happen, concerning Q, a child, & a Chosen.

Phury & Cormia, Ward ruined them for me cos she didn't develop their relationship at all. They got lost and were pushed to the back in their own book. She didn't really go deep with Phury either when it came to his issues & drug problem. She was building up to this starting in book 3 where Phury was concerned, but by the time she got to his book, his redemption & love life was just basically dropped & then lost to all the subplots going on his book... I have a love hate relationship with Phury's book, cos it could have been the tightest book Ward written in this series, with the exception of Z's book. I say that cos Phury's book was a definite game changer in the series. All the subplots in that book, started what was to come & what was rectified later in the series. And I loved that. What would have made it awesome is if Phury & his love story hadn't been lost in the process. And Ward admitted that she totally dropped the ball with Phury & his story. I think if he alongside with Cormia had been more balanced with everything else going on in that book, Phury's book would have received a much better reception than it did. So many people either hate his book or had a hard time finishing it. I was one of them. I hated it when I first read it. Then I read it again almost a year later and liked it much better the 2nd time around, but it will forever be a hard book to read. Which is why I've only read it twice.

But this is also why if Ward is going to be exploring revisits, I would really love one with Phury & Cormia. Cos really, they never actually got their own book, and their relationship has been MIA since book 6.

Dang! My bad. I didn't mean to write a novella. LOL!

[Dhfan4life]

I see. Now that first paragraph is a sign of a true fan right there. I never even seen even a inkling of all that with Butch and V at first. I mean heck I couldn't even really say they had a typical friendship, friendship either. Cause to me since that first meeting they were feeling each other out and definitely something clicked for them to be sharing a bed after the initial meeting. But yea I guess once I read Lover Unleashed with that scene between them, I sorta saw the transcendence thing you were talking about. As I can't imagine asking a best, good, or even lover type of person to do the sorta thing that V asked of Butch. Only someone that really gets you can survive/get that.

I see what your talking about. But I guess them making sure to move in their shellans to their shared space already sorta keeps them altogether enough anyway to appeal to them. So yea I guess it wouldn't work out now. And yea, Butch may have been for the ladies true, and I did like him and Marissa getting a second chance relationship even. But once the Omega did his hexy thingiemabobby to Butch and he became the destroyer person, who did he go to and was in the bed with over it, but V. I mean it's moments like that, that make me feel like Ward should have just took that leap off the bridge and went with Butch, V, and Marissa having a triad relationship. Lord only knows they have proven it many a times over that those relationships happen in other worlds. And not like V had beef with Marissa really so could have worked something out. ;) And maybe for a change I wouldn't have seen V as such a semi ass hat jr. after I first read about him. And that is saying something, cause I don't normally like ménage relationships.

I think so too when she added in Jane/herself with V in their book, she was still sorta questioning the Butch and V thing. Particularly when she wrote Jane asking if they were a gay couple or not. So still feeling it out I suppose. As for Qhuinn and Blay, plot device yes. But honestly again between those two I sorta seen the writing on the wall with them too. I mean out of a whole class of pre-trans males she zeroed in on the ones that had the most potential to end up being a likely couple. Wasn't just a coincidence to me there for sure. And true, although Qhuinn said he always wanted to be with a Chosen. I never quite believed it about him anyway. Almost read like when I used to say I wanted to be a lawyer and that was mostly because it was a thing with pleasing my folks and doing what they wanted. In short being the "ideal" life for someone else but when it's not really your own dream. As for Blay, it seemed ever since he transitioned he was totally hot and gay for Qhuinn. Which I guess that part of things felt weird to me. Maybe because we didn't quite follow Qhuinn and Blay's history like we did with JM at first. But it seemed a little odd that now he has his man body, he suddenly wants Qhuinn. Going back to Qhuinn, he was just exploring all avenues I think when he transitioned and could have gone either way for man or woman partner. But yea, it was a pretty sweet plot device for him and Layla to have a child together. Although I still want to kick Ward for making Layla suffer as long as she had and have grown men running away from her. I mean that is just craziness to me. Given how healthy their sex drives are.

I have to admit that Phury and Cormia's book/relationship was like the equivalent of Tohr and Autumn's to me. But only somewhat better cause Cormia and the other Chosen actually brought new meaning into Phury's life. Actually appreciated his efforts too more so than the other Brothers ever did. And all that junk with him and Bella(the hair brushing any one?) I mean dude I didn't blame him for going on drugs. How much under appreciation can one person take. I will agree with you so much other stuff was going on as well in his book and I hated how he and Cormia got back burnered like a lot. But I still really loved them together. I think it was my first high rating for a book in this series. Really showed that even the 'rock' of the group can crack under pressure. As for re-visiting Phury and Cormia, I don't think Ward might visit them again. As so many folks didn't really seem to care for him from the beginning. At least from some other comments I've read before in regards to how peeps feel about him.

Haha, no prob on the long response. I can be super long winded sometimes myself when making a point.

[~*~Princess Nya Vasiliev~*~]

Haha! Yea I get you...

[Dhfan4life]

;)

[Kathryn]

~*~Princess Nhya~*~ wrote: "PNR anything is possible... this is true. It isn't the ghost concept that bothers me though, its the way it all played out and where it stands now and why, that I have a problem with. Never liked ..."

I totally agree. I hate Jane and remembering that men can have more that one shellan I hope Ward gives V a living breathing vampire female. He said once in his book that no one has ever feed from him. I can only imagine how intense that would be for him and I want that for him. I feel like since they had a falling out with Havers Jane was the excuse for the BDB to get their own in-house doctor. His relationship was a cop out. I didn't really buy his instant attraction to Jane in the first place.

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Honestly I don't think V could handle someone biting on him. I mean given all he went through at daddy dearest's camp. He might see being bitten as another form of a violation and take some control from him. And besides I still think him having a vamp female would complicate things. Someone else they would have to drug cause he will no doubt turn into Wrath jr. and not want to service her either during her needing. And it would just be sad seeing another female getting the needle to stave off their own in born nature. That is still some really sad stuff for me. And I reiterate Jane serves her own medical purpose of a sort. May not be good for the Ward connection, but they did need someone in their medical wise. And for sure not Havers. As nobody respects him and given his tude he would have been dead some books ago if he wasn't related to Marissa I believe.