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The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Bridge of Sighs
Northanger Abbey
A Wrinkle in Time
Something Wicked This Way Comes
An Irish Country Christmas
I read at least 100 pages in all of them and sometimes more. I figured that should be a good enough thermometer of what I think of the book.

There are quite ..."
I stopped Breaking Dawn too, after several hundred pages. I just wanted to get off the drama wagon once and for all. The 1st book had its place, but after that - Blecht.

There has only been one book that I had to put down - Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf. I love the first sentence in the book, but my goodness the rest is a challenge for me.


Also, I wasn't able to finish the Gormenghast trilogy - got stuck in the first novel.
I plan on retrying both though.
Beth - I really liked Beginner's Greek ... funny how different we all are!
And Fiona, I have Atomised on my to-read list ... wonder whether I will like it or not...

I am interested to try a stab at Atomised after Fiona's mention of how she despised it. The only reason I made it through Twilight was that I was totally aghast that the writing was so poor throughout!

Twilight
The Widow of the South
Appointment in Samara
I can't remember any more at the moment but I know there are a LOT more that I just couldn't read any more. For the most part, I got pretty far in them and as much as I wanted to keep reading in hopes that something exciting would happen, I couldn't. In my opinion, there are too many books to read and too little time so no need to waste it on crappy books.

Also The Sociopath Next Door. Living next to one is far worse than the book and the book is bad.
I'm just giving up (the book is still in my bag but just getting dog-eared) Brief Intervals of Horrible Sanity where the author Elizabeth Gold makes herself out to be a Truly Fantastic Person whose efforts at being a temp. teacher are not appreciated by a class of violent, promiscuous, nasty retards, i.e. teenagers. We've all suffered teachers like that. Reading her makes me want to spit.

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Bridge of Sighs
Northanger Abbey
A Wrinkle in Time
Something Wicked This Way Comes
An Irish Country Christmas
I read at least 100..."
UH OH!!! I am going to start Bridge of Sighs quite soon. ANything You want to tell me????

The Pillars of the Earth
I really really tried to keep reading it, but I just found it so boring and not very well written.
But I love books others don't and that's what keeps it interesting, right?

I actually threw "When We Were Orphans" by Kazuo Ishiguro across the room. It was that bad.

I'm surprised at Northanger Abbey, I usually have a hard time getting into Jane Austen books, but this is the one I actually really liked.

Personally, I really enjoy reading books for children and young adults. There are some really great authors writing for that audience these days -- J.K. Rowling, Tamora Pierce, and Diana Wynne Jones, to name just a few. If a book is well-written and holds my attention, I don't give a hoot about the age group for which it's marketed.

Sorry that you have a problem with the current and yet also somehow "dated" popularity for fantasy. Luckily there are masses of books published each year, so there's something for everyone.
Judy Garland's problems with substance abuse are well documented, and as far as I can see, started before 1939. I doubt if the reason she was drugged during the filming of "Wizard of Oz" were due to any artistic problems she had with the film itself.

As far as cloying sentimentality goes, let me offer a film that I hate and just about everyone I've ever met adores -- "It's A Wonderful Life." Oh, don't get me started on that one!

You know, Fiona, I can't blame you for disliking the "dream or not" aspect. I hate it when I've read or watched something -- science fiction television shows are particularly guilty of this -- and it turns out to have never happened at all, either a dream or fantasy or some trick of time. Makes me feel like I've wasted my time.
However, I grew up with the Wizard and can't pretend to be objective. Back in the days before VCRS and DVDs and even more my parents had a color tv (they had to tell us when the movie changed from B&W to color), we gathered around the tv once a year to watch the Wizard, and it was a big deal for us kids.
As far as Richard's punctuation (or lack of it goes), I have to agree that it's hard to read and just sets my editor/proof reader instincts on edge. I think he's channelling e.e.cummings!

I sympathize about the heavy volume of Proust. I started reading a complete Jane Austen after abdominal surgery, and although it's not as big as Proust, it was tricky. As for Proust, I tried to read "Remembrance of Things Past" after first learning about it from Monty Python, but just couldn't stand it.
"All About Eve" was the first movie I rented when we got our first VCR. If starting a topic on over-rated films fits into the rules of this group, go ahead and start one and I am sure I'll see you there.

Richard, I agree with the others that what you write is hard to follow because it just flows and you can't really see where you're at - but I like what you say and I agree that we don't all have to do things the conventional way so I read your posts with interests. Also, to hear how you're doing with your Proust project!
I've read one book by Coetzee (Disgrace) and I liked it but I found him a bit of a challenging writer. I plan on reading more by him (I plan on reading a lot later on, huh?) but I would like to read him with someone else do discuss as I go along - kind of like what it seems you're doing with Proust...

As much as I like reading Jack Kerouac, I think that he is just an awful writer... and I think the spontaneous prose stuff is just so much horse manure, an excuse for not editing. Yes, I know, I don't understand the beauty of spontaneity, but there's a difference between listening to jazz improvisation and love on the beach: the former at least has a chance of getting it right depending on the virtuosity of the player, the latter a romantic idea condemned to the pain of discovery.
One book which I cannot read but have never really started is Gone With the Wind... and by saying this I realize that I am in danger of being drummed out of society altogether, at least the half that doesn't belch openly and boast about gas mileage and oddly fictitious liaisons. The worst part about saying this is that my aunt was a nut about the book: one night she was at a party in Atlanta (probably in the 70’s) and she gravitated to a room in this apartment house. The hostess, worried about her, found her sitting at a desk saying that she felt very comfortable there. It turned out to be the supposed place where Mitchell wrote the book. I must have listened to that story a thousand times!
The whole story was bad history and romantic nonsense…and I can finally admit that I preferred Ashley Wilkes too. I did have to sit through the movie a few times over the years.

I can see that we won't be able to stifle your form of expression, but right now I'd settle for paragraph breaks in long posts. Would that compromise your Kerouackian spontaneity too terribly?

Not as long as you spell them without the e.
Besides that, Joyce was merely difficult to read, but not without more than balanced reward. Woolf, on the other hand, wrote like the impressions from inside a woman's head spilled out onto a waxed wooden floor... and the interesting and coherent bits rolled out of sight under the divan.


Despite the fact that he says that Kerouac edited very carefully, I find that the result is much like results of nouvelle cuisine: some interesting combinations, but generally without a great deal of substance. I do not find that passion, with which both of them were heavily imbued, is a substitute for good writing and I find many of the run-on word combinations tiring and trite. I do find Kerouac’s books interesting on occasion, but hardly in the realm of great literature.
As to the improvisation and beach comparison, I had supposed it would be clearer than it appears that it was, for which I apologize. I had thought it mildly humorous. All I will say in explanation is that love at the beach is better left in one's mind rather than practiced. This is also an opinion.
As to my dismissal of Woolf, I am sorry anyone found it glib, but I found reading Mrs. Dalloway an unbearable bore and stopped. This is what the original topic was about. Elsewhere I say that I struggled through Orlando, but other than an interesting concept, I found it poorly executed.

At what point do you stop hoping it gets better, and why?


Donna wrote: "Have you ever started a book and just hated it so much that you tried and tried but just could not finish it? How far would you actually go until you said "To Hell With IT!!!!"?
There are quite ..."
Yes, Lolita. I could not stand him one more moment..

Would you believe me if I told you some of the best writing today is written for children? Had a wonderful seminar on best of Childrens' lit recently.
but it IS written for children.

Oh, YES! Thank you SO MUCH! Everyone talks about how Lolita is brilliant because Nabokov gets you to identify with HH and I just DIDN'T. He just came off as a condescending, self-absorbed ASS.


that hurts. Really. It does.
Anna Karenina is my all time beast. Perhaps I'll give it another go one of these days...I have never been able to get through much of it at all.
More recently, The New York Trilogy by Paul Auster is one I couldn't finish. I read the first two stories, but could NOT make myself go on to read the 3rd.

I see now, that some of my all time favorite books were completely unreadable to others. How can I feel bad about hating a book? I don't have to anymore, with the upside of being able to quickly move on to a book I CAN enjoy.


I'm listening to The Historian. I'm a little over half way through. I was really enjoying it, but the last little bit I hit a wall, where it's starting to feel like work.

Only two come to mind right now though.
The Prophecy of the Gems Three Girls, Three Stones, One Destiny &
Of Mice and Men

I did love Pillars of the Earth and was surprised to love something from Ken Follet that much. I usually find his books more shallow than I found Pillars. I was understandably upset when I had to force myself to continue reading its sequel, World Without End. I read about half of it thinking it would get better, and then plowed through. I am not sure I finished it, really; if I did, I sure don't remember the ending. It should have been titled Book Without End.
And, Richard, I completely agree with you about what one considered "best" being subjective. Good taste is the same way. Two people who love Harlequin Romances agree that the other's taste in books is wonderful, when in reality, it is actually just similar to their own.


I'm listening to The Historian. I'm a little over half way through. I was really ..." Hi Beth, I know what you mean. For a vampire story it just seemed dull and even the attacks were somehow muted where they should have been building suspense. btw, once I decided to give up on it, I did read the ending and it was so dumb it made me laugh!! Seriously, I was glad I hadn't wasted any more time on it.

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There are quite a few books that I just had to stop reading. I went so far at 580 pages of Breaking Dawn unti lI said "Screw it".
There are other books that I couldn't finish, most of them were just books that I just was not in the mood for but plan on going back to, others just simply lost my interest.
What books did you have to stop reading???