Petra Kassun-Mutch
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Andi Zeisler:
So happy this book is out tomorrow! My question: Why do so many successful women in leadership and role model positions, when asked, say they are not a feminist.....right after they just finish giving luncheon speeches talking about how sexism affected their career. Sure, they made it, but not without extra struggle. They applaud themselves for making it over the wall. But have no interest in dismantling it. Why?
Andi Zeisler
This is a really great question. It's one that I'd love to see posed more often to such women themselves. From my own experience with such women, my sense is that the simple answer has to do with internalized misogyny and the belief that patriarchy is a foregone conclusion.
Women are so often socialized to see each other as competition, but even more important is that we (and note that I believe this is true for all genders, in varying ways) are encouraged to see sexism as an individual matter rather than as a systemic one, particularly within institutions—schools, corporations, entire industries—where power has traditionally been defined by and concentrated in male spheres.
Ariel Levy, in her book Female Chauvinist Pigs, wrote about "loophole women"—women in historically male industries who pride themselves on overcoming sexism but then recast their experiences as singular, rather than shared. Like you say, they see having gained inclusion into a boys' club as a personal achievement that's a testament to their exceptionalism and grit. To work toward actually dismantling the system becomes too risky to their hard-won success.
Women are so often socialized to see each other as competition, but even more important is that we (and note that I believe this is true for all genders, in varying ways) are encouraged to see sexism as an individual matter rather than as a systemic one, particularly within institutions—schools, corporations, entire industries—where power has traditionally been defined by and concentrated in male spheres.
Ariel Levy, in her book Female Chauvinist Pigs, wrote about "loophole women"—women in historically male industries who pride themselves on overcoming sexism but then recast their experiences as singular, rather than shared. Like you say, they see having gained inclusion into a boys' club as a personal achievement that's a testament to their exceptionalism and grit. To work toward actually dismantling the system becomes too risky to their hard-won success.
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Sophia Flemming
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Andi Zeisler:
Andi, I am very excited to read your book! I was able to order it two weeks ago, and I cannot wait to delve into it! My questions is that since the bitch of Bitch Magazine and popular culture, what the downsides of feminism being in the spotlight, and what can I and other activists/writers/ do to contribute to how feminism is discuss and promoted?
Tyler
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Andi Zeisler:
The aggressive marketing of the book (thinking the emails lately) and its nature as a bonafide commodity seem contradictory to the main claim of the book. The book seems to be enthusiastically performing the main object of its critique, the commodification of feminism. How do you reckon the book's own status as a commodity? Where do the profits go for the book? Do you address this in your argument? Thanks!
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