Listopia > Most Brilliant Historical Novels in the past 45 yrs
Historical fiction doesn't have to be historical romance, does it?
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Oct 19, 2012 10:00AM
Didn't Lonesome Dove first come out in 1985?
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Susanna wrote: "Didn't Lonesome Dove first come out in 1985?"Oops, I probably read the pbk. after it came out... I should've made that in the last 25 yrs! Good catch, Susanna:-)
May I suggest changing the title to Most Brilliant Since 1985? Because otherwise Lonesome Dove still doesn't qualify (it came out 27 years ago - lol).
I know, you can tell numbers aren't my thing. There's just something nice in the phrasing of "in the past xx years". I'll change it again to be more accurate. Thanks!
John Adams (#137) is non-fiction as well. Ron Kovak's Born on the Fourth of July (#176) is both older than 30 and a memoir. Savage Beauty (#180) is a biography. The Greatest Generation (#185) is history.You want me to remove the non-fiction, Trina?
ETA: Also, Dorothy Dunnett is a lot older than 30 years ago. (Her Game of Kings, at #155, was first published in 1961.)
Susanna wrote: "John Adams (#137) is non-fiction as well. Ron Kovak's Born on the Fourth of July (#176) is both older than 30 and a memoir. Savage Beauty (#180) is a biography. The Greatest Generation (#185) is..."Sure, Susanna, go ahead and remove the misfits. I didn't know you (we) could do that. I also didn't realize Game of Kings came out in the 1960s (must've read a later edition when it was re-issued in pbk here)... my bad. Thanks for letting me know:-) It's still one of my favorite historical fiction reads.
GR librarians can prune lists; not sure exactly what editing ability list starters who are not already librarians have.
Removed:To Kill a Mockingbird (published 1960)
Angela's Ashes (non-fiction)
John Adams (non-fiction)
'Tis (non-fiction)
The Game of Kings (published 1961)
Born on the Fourth of July (non-fiction)
Savage Beauty: The Life of Edna St. Vincent Millay (non-fiction)
The Greatest Generation (non-fiction)
Address Unknown (published 1939)
A Town Like Alice (published 1950)
Wedlock: The True Story of the Disastrous Marriage and Remarkable Divorce of Mary Eleanor Bowles, Countess of Strathmore (non-fiction)
Don't Let's Go to the Dogs Tonight (non-fiction)
I Married the Klondike (non-fiction and published 1961)
What about Going After Cacciato (#180, published 1978), which I left? Too early?
I see our current #1 (ETA: 2) has only 9 ratings, but 33 voters.Do the authors really think they are fooling anyone?
Susanna wrote: "Removed:To Kill a Mockingbird (published 1960)
Angela's Ashes (non-fiction)
John Adams (non-fiction)
'Tis (non-fiction)
The Game of Kings (published 1961)
Born on the Fourth of July (non-fiction)..."
Thanks, Susanna. I don't think of Going After Cacciato as historical fiction. It was written shortly after the Vietnam War about that war.
Too many of these aren't even historical fiction - but are memoirs - Under the Tuscan Sun & Eat, Pray, Love....
#109, Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen is contemporary fiction, she was writing about her own time, it's only historical to us. Definitely older than 30 years by a long way! Love the list though!
Meri, I agree. Not sure how these titles keep creeping onto this list! Amy Tan's Joy Luck Club isn't 'historical fiction', either, since it takes place around the time it was written (1989) despite the characters' dipping into their pasts to relate how they came to the United States... Susanna, maybe you can prune the list again? I'll try to form a list of misfits:)
Yikes, Susanna, I'm amazed how long this list has gotten (638 books?)! Would it help to add dates to the header? For instance, the cut-off for 30 yrs. is now 1985, but it was 1982 in 2012 when I made this list. We've also adjusted the time frame to "the past 30 years" from the original "20 years". Should we edit the header to include something like "Most Brilliant Historical Novels in the past 30 years (1985-2015)"? And then adjust it each year? Too much effort? Maybe easier than removing all these wanna-be's, though... For now, here are the culprits - see if you agree, and, if so, please delete (they're only from #1 to #281; I'll do a second list for you to delete later):
#19 Joy Luck Club (it isn't 'historical' fiction since it takes place around the time it was written (1989))
#38 Outlander (it's 'fantasy' despite great historical detail)
#110 Pride and Prejudice (it is 'contemporary' fiction since she was writing about her own time)
#128 The Secret Keeper (it appears to be 'contemporary' fiction that reminisces about a past incident)
#129 Voyager (see #38 above)
#135 Aztec (pub. 1980, so too old for this list, alas)
#146 Penmaric (pub. 1971)
#154 Dragonfly in Amber (see #38 above)
#158 From Hell (it was a comic book...)
#162 Drums of Autumn (see #38 above)
#165 The Name of the Rose (pub. 1980)
#167 The Cater St. Hangman (pub. 1979)
#204 The Crossing (pub. 1951)
#228 The Crocodile on the Sandbank (pub. 1975)
#229 The Kitchen God's Wife (see #19 above)
#238 The Clan of the Cave Bear (pub. 1980)
#247 Empire of the Sun (pub. 1984)
#251 White Oleander (pub. 1999, but is it 'historical'? seems like 'contemporary fiction to me...)
#258 Far Pavillions (pub. 1978)
#263 Follow the River (pub. 1981)
#278 Cryptomicon (same issue w/ Amy Tan's books, set in present (1990s) but makes use of past ancestry)
#280 Game of Kings (pub. 1961)
#281 The Firebird (same issue w/ Diana Gabaldon's books, 'fantasy' fiction that follows character into the past)
Note: I actually think the Outlander series is brilliant, so it qualifies in that way...
Have deleted those with "too old" publication dates, or with then-contemporary settings.Left Outlander series for now. Also possibly a few I just couldn't find.
I noticed that too Ms M! Kearsley, Morton, Gabaldon? The listmaker could perhaps define the qualifications a bit more. Fun list though and actually a lot of really good stuff too.
The Book of Ebenezer Le Page (#346) isn't one of the "Most Brilliant Historical Novels in the past 30 yrs"... (It was first published in 1981, so close but not quite).
MomToKippy wrote: "I deleted Les Miserables. Much too old!"I've deleted The Mystery of a Hansom Cab for the same reason.
I've also removed The Lost Steps, as it was first published in 1953.
#108 "I Claudius" was published in 1934#119 "Katherine" was published in 1954
#362 "Forever Amber" was published in 1944
Fiona wrote: "#108 "I Claudius" was published in 1934#119 "Katherine" was published in 1954
#362 "Forever Amber" was published in 1944"
Removed.
For those of you who tend this list, THANK YOU for your time! The comments here are useful too. I never thought about contemporary fiction vs. historical fiction.
@TrinaYou might want to put a year in this list, as "in the past 45 yrs" changes each and every year...
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