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The Afterlife of Holly Chase by Cynthia Hand - December Theme BOM Traditions (starts 16 Dec)
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9. Why do you think Boz brought up the story of Elena and her daughter when explaining the Tiny Tim Factor to Stephanie? What was your impression of Holly’s reaction to the story and her subsequent actions?
10. Marty asks Boz, “Why is Ethan Winters the Scrooge?” What did you think of the question as well as the conversation that followed? What are your thoughts about Ethan being the Scrooge?
11. We learn that that the positions of Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future have been held by different people over the years? What are your thoughts about this system?
12. Stephanie tells Holly that she knows (view spoiler) Why do you think she does that?
Bonus: While reading the book I kept picturing the actress Raffey Cassidy (from Tomorrowland) as Stephanie and Bob Newhart as Boz. Did any characters from the book make you think of any people in particular?
The Afterlife of Holly Chase by Cynthia Hand - December Theme BOM Traditions (starts 16 Dec)
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I am so looking forward to the next one.

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Chapters 5 (pages 173 to 274)
12. How do you feel about the pace of the novel? Do you prefer a slower character driven like this one or do you prefer something more quick and plot driven?
I loved the slow character-driven pace that the author has utilised in this book. One gets a deeper understanding of the characters’s motivations, the dynamics of their relationships and the influence of the the moral decay that they undergo on these relationships. The atmosphere is richly described to where it becomes an immersive experience and causes many aspects of the novel to linger in one’s mind for a long time after.
I enjoy reading books that utilise both types of pacing and find that it depends entirely on the storyline and what suits it best.
13. In this chapter we see Richard dealing with his first winter alone. Why do you think the author spends one hundred pages on this? What does it tell you about Richard as a character?
Richard is the lens through which we see this world and the story that takes place within. By spending so much time with him particularly at this moment in the book when he is at his most introspective and vulnerable, we get a complete picture of his psyche, his motivations, fears and desires. We are made aware of the emotional, social and physical isolation that he experiences and his desire to connect with others on a deeper level. We are also shown his moral ambiguity with him being capable of both empathy and compassion as well as self-deception and immense cruelty.
14. If you were in Richard’s situation what would you have done differently?
Richard seemed to be aware at some level of the dark undercurrents with the group but seems to have chosen to ignore them in favour of being accepted as a member. I choose to believe that in his position, I would have trusted my instincts more and picked a path that aligned with my core values and kept me safe.
15. Donna Tartt was actually good friends with Bret Easton Ellis. I heard that the Greek students make a cameo in his novels as well as Janet Poovy. Have you read anything by him? Do you know any other author friendships that share characters or settings?
I think that it is a great sign of respect and admiration when an author features another author’s character in their own work. It is also very encouraging to see these authors collaborating thereby highlighting camaraderie over rivalry. I know I read recently about something similar but cannot remember it at this time.

Chapters 3 & 4 (pages 104 to 172)
6. What do you think of Julian’s unique position as a wealthy outsider and its influence on his interactions with both the college and the group?
Julian’s wealth definitely gives him a significant amount of independence within the college dynamics which is shown in the college giving him a lot of leeway in how he plans his courses, how many students he takes on and the way he conducts his classes. He has a lot of influence over his students whom he indulges socially, emotionally and financially. It also gives him provides with the security that allows him to manipulate and exploit the vulnerabilities of his group without having to worry about blowback.
7. The narrator and the group are greatly fascinated by the classics, in particular Greek tragedy. Do you think this influences their perception of the world and their relationships within the group and with other characters?
I think that their unchecked, overly immersive passion for the classics has definitely coloured and to a large extent warped their perceptions of the world around them. Their fatalistic attitude has caused them to lose all regard for consequences. Romanticising the acts of violence in these classics has distorted their understanding of morality and ethics. Lastly, they show classic signs of a sense of intellectual elitism, they believe themselves to be superior to everybody around them. This along with the desire to maintain secrecy has caused them to become isolated from the rest of their surroundings causing even greater loss of perspective.
8. What do you think of the relationship between Richard and the other members of the group? Do you think it has evolved over these chapters? What, if any, are the elements most likely to strengthen or disrupt this bond?
Richard was deemed initially an outsider but his natural intelligence and his superior knowledge of the classics is what eventually makes him become a part of the group. This relationship is highly tenuous and constantly changing with the secrets they eventually end up sharing being something that changes the dynamics tremendously.
While Richard is brought into the fold, the relationship between the members becomes even more fragile with various elements like jealousy, resentment, the various morally questionable activities they participate in, the constant threat of exposure all putting a strain on it.
9. How does the isolated setting of Hampden College contribute to the atmosphere and the characters' actions?
The remote location fosters a sense of seclusion allowing the group to operate beyond the scrutiny of the outside world. Consequently they indulge their darker impulses without any constraints and succumb to their darker natures. In addition, each of the members becomes so dependent on the others that they choose to suppress their individual identities and instead conform to the group’s expectations of them.
10. Did your thoughts about Henry’s relationship with Bunny change over the course of these chapters?
In the beginning, Henry and Bunny are portrayed as the closest of friends but there is an uncomfortable hidden layer that shows itself every now and them. As the storyline moves along, we realise that the relationship is much darker than it seems. Bunny becomes more and more unstable as shown by his increasingly ridiculous actions and demands. Henry’s true disdain towards Bunny becomes more apparent as the plot unfolds.
11. What do the Bacchic rituals symbolize to the group? Are they seeking a transcendent experience, or are they simply indulging in hedonistic pleasures? How do these rituals contribute to the group's downfall?
I think the group started off seeking a connection with something greater than themselves, something that would allow them to escape the mundane and experience a heightened sense of consciousness but their losing control over the process lead to a downturn into a world of indulgence and excess. The rituals also became a means by which they could defy all societal norms and explore instead their darker sides. As a result, instead of the spiritual enlightenment they were looking for, they ended up with the rituals bringing about their destruction.
Bonus: I have always been fascinated by the various secret societies one reads about. If given a chance, would you want to be a member, and if so, which one would you want to belong to? (The secret society does not have to belong to a college/university, it can be one not linked to an educational institution.)
I was very young when I first heard of the Illuminati, not the group as described in popular fiction but the one I read about that had as its goal the increase of knowledge and the use of this knowledge to improve the world around us. Another group that interested me greatly was that of the Freemasons with their goals of personal growth and enlightenment and the desire to provide assistance to all around them. That, however was for naught as they do not have women members.
The last was a not-at-all secret group that I heard about also many years ago but never thought I would ever qualify for. I finally had my “five minutes of bravery”, applied for the exam, qualified and am now a member of Mensa.

Chapters 1 &2 (pages 1 to 103)
1. Is this your first Donna Tartt book or have you read hot book of whatever year that was, The Goldfinch? If you've read The Goldfinch, has this been sitting on your to-be-read list since?
The first Donna Tartt I ever read was The Little Friend and I loved it. I followed those up with The Secret History and The Goldfinch, both of which I found excellent. This is my second read of The Secret History and I found it just as good this time. I have to confess though that I wasn’t a big fan of the audiobook not because the author is not good at narrating but that I found her accent just wasn’t what I expected to hear from the characters in this book. However, her writing… at this stage, if she writes anything, it is guaranteed to find a place on my immediate TBR list.
2. This has definite secret-college-campus-society vibes. Do you like this setting for a story? Have you read any from this genre you'd recommend to others?
I love the whole secret group on campus vibe and want to read the many, many books on my TBR that I just haven’t go around to. Another book that I loved that was very much “secret group” and “suspend all disbelief” was Bunny by Mona Awad.
3. Speaking of the setting, does the author provide a good description of the campus and the surrounding landscape to set a believable atmosphere for the novel?
I think the author managed to maintain that perfect balance of providing enough details to help imagine the world but leaving enough place for us to personalise it.
4. Initial thoughts on characters. It's early in the book, but any you like, don't like, or want to learn more about?
The characters are all so very interesting. What I loved is that each is a key member of the group but yet in some way also an outsider.
I didn’t adore any of the characters but I don’t think that was the mission of the author. The only character I felt wasn’t brought to life as fully as the others was Julian. But that may have been intentionally done to force us to focus on the group.
5. Do you think the narrator is reliable? Do you like unreliable narrated books or are you not a fan?
I think Richard was the perfect narrator for this book. He is highly unreliable, he even clearly states that he lies a great deal. His is an ambiguous morality which means that we are constantly having to remember that what he is narrating is coloured by his own personality and his thoughts, feelings and perceptions of the moment.
I love books like this with narrators that one cannot take at face value. This book, to a large extent, reminded me of Tom Ripley in The Talented Mr. Ripley.

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Part VII
18. How did you feel or think about TJ locking up her father. Was it really to keep him safe or more for revenge/punishment reasons?
It was definitely TJ trying to keep her dad safe but I didn’t think it was to keep him safe from somebody. I think she was more worried that with his diminishing mental facilities, he was going to accidentally say something that would implicate either himself or somebody important and that would get him into trouble.
19. What do you think of the Characters and who was your favourite / Least and why?
I am always impressed by authors who can create characters who are flawed but who still grab the readers’ attention. This book definitely had many such people, my favourites bring TJ and Louise.
Edit: Oops, I forgot to mention Judyta.
20. There seemed to be many topics covered in the book with the main one being abuse. What did you take away or feel about any of the issues highlighted?
This, according to me, is something that needs to be talked about and written about even more. Most people in abusive relationships are not even aware that they are in such situations let alone know how to deal with them. We also need to talk about how these behaviours are perpetuated and normalised and how we can go about destroying the patterns.
21. How did you like the book and will you read another book by Liz Moore? Would you consider this a book you would re-read and would your rating change?
This being my second book by this author that I have rated highly, I will definitely be reading more of her works. As for this book, I will be reading the book again, not in the immediate future but at some time, but this time not as an audiobook.

Part VI
14. How do you think the police are handling the disappearance of Barbara and how this compares to how Bear’s disappearance was handled?
I got the feeling all along that Bear’s disappearance was not handled well and that a lot of things were just covered up or just plain ignored. It seems like Barbara’s disappearance was being better handled which had me thinking all the more that not everything with Bear was as it appeared.
15. What do you think about what is implied about TJ and her relationship with Barbara? How does this relate to the themes of the book so far?
I think this part was only added to make us suspect TJ. I don’t believe their relationship was anything like described. Both have been described as having become close when TJ used to babysit Barbara and the way it looks to me, they developed a deep friendship. To me, it looks like the author showing us that this was one of the only true relationships in Barbara’s life. There is definitely a theme of alienation and loneliness running through the book.
16. Do you have a favourite point of view or conversely, any point of views so far that you don’t think are necessary for the book?
I found it very difficult to choose a favourite. It was fascinating to see how many similarities and differences there were in the way the different characters looked at and thought about the same things. That, in my opinion, is what gave the story dimensionality.
17. What do you think of the survival trips and the squirrel hunting? Do you think this is a good idea with 8- to 14-year-olds? Any experiences from your childhood/schooling as comparison that you want to share?
This was definitely a product of the times. At the time the book was set, it was the done thing.

Parts IV & V
10. When Alice gave birth to her second child, she had a mantra. "I will love this new baby." I found it very odd. What do you think about that? Do you find any deeper meaning in it?
I thought it had to do with the birth of Bear and her not having any control on what happened to either the baby or her. With the second child being a girl, I think she felt that she would have more say in how the baby was brought up. Also, I think that losing Bear affected her ability to connect with others and this was her way of reminding herself that she can and must give this child love. There was also an undercurrent of unresolved tension, my guess is that there is something being obfuscated and that this will be a true eyeopener when revealed.
11. What do you think about Bear showing up? Could it be real? Just a vision/hallucination?
This is what made me think that Alice was more involved than we were being told. Initially, I thought it was just losing him that made her start to hallucinate but soon, I was wondering if it wasn’t just sorrow but maybe something else as well.
12. Do you think Barbara was "just" a name for Peter? Or could there be something he hides?
I don’t think this was about the name alone, it was more to show just how controlling Peter was, that Alice didn’t get a say even in naming her child. It shows how aware Alice was of Peter’s personality that she says after reading the origin of the name that she cannot and will not bring it up with Peter.
13. Louise got brutally beaten up. Toxic/abusive relationships seem to be a big factor in this book. Do you think that will have anything to do with the rest of the story and the reveal of the mystery?
I don’t think this is specifically connected to the mystery but more as an example of the type of relationships that abound in this book as well as to explain many of the things some of the characters have said and done.

Parts II & III
6. The story is told through multiple characters and constant time jumps. Do you think it's working for the plot? If not, what would you change? Is it easy for you to keep track of the plot and characters? Is it impacting on your reading?
I think this method can be a disaster but it has been very well done in this book. That said, I was listening to the audiobook which made things a bit confusing. I want to read this book again in the future but will definitely be going with either the paperback or ebook.
7. We're introduced to the Van Laar family. What do you think of the mother (or the lack of her appearance so far) and the two Peter's? Do you think the grandfather or the father have a role in Bear's disappearance?
The Van Laar men are such stereotypes of their generations. I was convinced they were more involved in the goings-on than being described.
8. We're also introduced to Delphine who says to Alice that "that one is free to do what one wishes in life, expectations be damned”, that Alice can do more and that she is smart. What do you make of Alice's reaction to this? Do you think Alice will end up standing up for herself and speaking up?
I don’t think so. Alice has already been shown as somebody who goes with the flow no matter how horrible her surroundings get. I don’t see somebody like her doing anything to free themselves.
9. I've noticed that the author has reduced the voice for a few characters. We see it with Alice from when she's 18 years old and with Tracey. Even with Louise as she's being asked questions by the Senior Investigator. Why do you think the author did this, especially with Alice and Tracey? Do you think Louise is like Alice and Tracey or very different? Have you noticed any other similarities between any of the characters?
I think it has to do with the times and the women in those days always being taught that good women need to be quiet and demure. Each in their own way has absorbed this message and each is also in their way trying to figure out a way out.

Part I
1. Have you read any Liz Moore books before? Or, did you buy it to find out what the big drip of pink paint on the cover means?
I read Long Bright River a few years ago and found it to be very good. That this one was a BOTM and would get my team a bonus was the icing on top.
I did not notice the pink paint until I saw this question but it isn’t something that would have made any impact on my wanting to read the book or not.
2. Have you ever gone to (or been a counsellor at) a summer camp or the like as a kid? Did you like it?
Is the setting of this book descriptive (or nostalgic) enough to bring you into the story?
Summer camp wasn’t the done thing during my childhood in India. All the schools I studied in (many, many schools due to my dad’s job) had at the most a school outing. In my very last school, the senior classes were taken on an excursion for a few days to a nearby hill station. The only time I ever heard about summer camps was in books and movies. Having been introduced to this concept through media, it definitely made a difference to how fast I could understand the setting. I think it might haven been tougher for somebody who was not aware of this concept.
3. So far we have been introduced to just a few characters; a couple of campers, a couple of counsellors, a couple of useless parents, and a bogeyman. What do you think of them so far?
The beginning was in my opinion quite slow but I think it was done purposely so that we get the lay of the land and are made fully aware of the key players. I got the feeling the bogeyman was definitely a bit of a red herring. I remember being most fascinated by T.J. and Louise.
4. How did you react to Louise not being very truthful about the night Barbara disappeared? How will it come back to haunt her (if it does)?
It felt to me that she was definitely trying to conceal something and that it was going to come back to hurt her later in the book.
5. If you have not read ahead, do you have any wild guesses about what happened to Barbara?
If you have read ahead, how do you like the way the story is unfolding?
I had an idea of what happened to Barbara and was amazed to see just how right I was. I was definitely wrong about a few things but the majority of the things that I guessed were correct.

The Mysterious Affair at Styles by Agatha Christie - Nov Theme BOM "Old School" (starts 16 Nov)
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Chapters 11 - 13
14. How do you like Poirot's style of revealing what happened? Do you enjoy reading whodunnit mysteries?
I absolutely love Poirot’s denouement in which he explains exactly how, when, why and most importantly, by whom, the crime was committed.
15. The mystery has been unraveled and we now know what happened to Mrs. Inglethorp. Have you guessed who it was or were you surprised?
I sort of had an idea of the whom and why but the how had me completely foxed.
16. Is there anything you would have changed about the narrative? Something you didn't like? If so, here's your place to rant :)
I would not change a thing. This may not be one of my favourite Poirots but I have enjoyed reading it multiple times and notice a different thing with every read.
17. If you haven't already, would you consider picking up another Hercule Poirot book or any other of Agatha Christie's works?
I have read every single Agatha Christie more times than I can count and don’t see myself ever stopping. I do however, have her works under her nom de plume of Mary Westmacott on my TBR and hope to get to them soon.
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Chapters 8 - 10
10. Any guesses about "find the extra coffee cup and you can rest in peace"? Does that fact Lawrence found it indicate guilt or innocence do you think?
I think Poirot was trying to help Lawrence be less worried by giving him this clue. This being a reread, that is all I can say.
11. With books as old as this, some language/terms just do not age well and can be jarring to randomly come across in the text. Should language like this be censored/edited to match less offensive terms of the times (though not sure there is a correct way to say a lady dressed up in blackface). Or should they be left as is and used as a point of discussion on race/sexuality/class/gender/etc?
I absolutely believe that they should be left as they are and used as a way to start up discussions about the oppression of various groups of peoples and how we can prevent such things from happening again in the future. I am a firm believer in Santayana’s saying “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
12. Lots happening in the section, arrests abound! Do you think John was arrested for his step mother's murder or for some other reason like Dr. B?
I got the feeling that this was meant to be a red herring.
13. What do you think about our narrator and giver or random marriage proposals, Hastings?
Hastings is absolutely amazing! He is one of my favourite sidekicks ever and I think that his constantly falling in love and his great desire to be the “knight in shining armour” only serve to show his big heart. Having read numerous books which feature Poirot and him, I know now to expect something like that whenever either a red-headed beauty shows up or any damsels in distress.
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Chapters 5 - 7
6. Poirot is concerned because Cynthia does not take sugar in her coffee and calls back to when he tasted all the coffees, but it’s never expanded upon. We later find out that the poison was likely administered in coffee and that it has a bitter taste that coffee could mask. Do you have any theories as to why Poirot put such importance on “Cynthia does not take sugar”?
I think he realised after remembering this that Cynthia’s cup had not been amongst the ones he had seen in the drawing room which meant that hers was probably the missing cup.
7. Witnesses have testified to overhearing an argument between Mr & Mrs Ingelthorp the day she was murdered — but Mr Ingelthorp claims they are mistaken. Do you believe he is truly the one who was having the argument, or do you have any other suspicions? Poirot certainly thinks he is innocent and claims to be able disprove the other claim (about him buying the poison) — does that sway you at all?
I do not think it was Mr. Inglethorp whom Mrs. Inglethorp was having an argument with. It sounded to me like it was somebody else but we are meant to believe it was him so that we are forced into believing in his guilt.
I don’t think Poirot thought he was entirely innocent. When Hastings says, “But if you believe him innocent, how do you explain his buying the strychnine?” Poirot does not either acknowledge or refute the part about the innocence, he merely says that Inglethorp did not buy the strychnine. That to me was significant in that Poirot was saying that he was innocent of that specific crime, he wasn’t saying anything about the larger crime.
8. Most people seem to believe Mr Inglethorp is guilty (ESPECIALLY Evie), while Lawrence seems to believe the death came by natural causes, and Mr. Inglethorp doesn’t seem to have any theories at all except to believe it was murder but never pointing fingers at a suspect. I have to admit, I expected more finger-pointing from this group! Have any characters’ reactions so far stood out as peculiar to you?
On reading it the first time, I thought that while they believed him to be guilty, each was too scared of saying anything because many of them had also concealed something or the other.
To me, Lawrence’s reaction was initially the oddest as having trained as a doctor, he should had recognised the symptoms but then it dawned on me that he was attempting to protect one of the other characters. Mr. Inglethorp’s reactions were also very odd. It felt like his refusal to defend himself was also a very important clue.
9. One of my favourite things about mysteries is trying to figure out what happened before it’s revealed. Are you trying to solve the murder, or would you prefer to be surprised by the eventual reveal? Do you feel like you’re usually good at solving the mysteries, or do they evade you?
I enjoy treating them as puzzles that have to be solved and I find it adds enjoyment if the plot has been well done. Having said that, it depends also on my mood and whether I want to tax my brains or just relax.
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Chapters 1 - 4
1. The first few chapters set the scene for this (first) instalment of Hercule Poirot. What do you make of the various characters we are introduced to? Especially "Alfred dearest" whom everybody seems to dislike. Do you agree with Mrs Howard that they're all only interested in the money? Do you agree with Hastings that they're all somewhat suspicious?
I loved that this book gave us a look at how Poirot and Hastings met. As for the other characters, I think Agatha Christie is very skilled at creating characters that one absolutely detests but still wants to know more about.
I partly agree that money is what most of the characters are interested in but to a large extent, I cannot blame them. Their lives are, in my opinion, largely held captive by their being dependant on Mrs. Inglethorp for their finances.
That said, their odd actions would give anybody reason to suspect them of being up to something nefarious.
Alfred Inglethorp has been created as the target for all suspicions. I remember thinking the first time I read this book that there was just too much pointing at him for it for the suspicion itself to not be treated as a clue.
2. A murder has occurred! Anyone want to venture a guess at this stage as to who has done it? And was it really death by poison? Or is Dr. Bauerstein's expertise in the matter and the fact that Mrs. Inglethorp suffered from severe convulsions in front of practically the entire household merely a red herring?
I have already read this book more times than I can count so I am not going to reveal any secrets. I will say though that I had suspected a specific person and though I couldn’t figure out the how, I was absolutely correct about the “who”.
3. There was an argument the day before the murder between the late Mrs. Inglethorp and an unknown person, potentially Mr. Inglethorp. What might this have been about?
Again, for the same reason as the previous question, I am not going to add any answers except to say that even reading the book the first time, I realised that this was a very significant part of the book that had to be taken into consideration when solving the story.
4. What might Mrs. Inglethorp not have wanted to show Mary Cavendish that resulted in the latter feeling somewhat peeved?
I think that Mary Cavendish believed that Mrs. Inglethorp was in possession of something related to John Cavendish. Mary believed that Mrs. Inglethorp’s refusal to show her the document was her attempt at protecting John. My guess was that while there was proof of John’s wrongdoing, this was not it. This was something far more devious.
5. Are you enjoying the narrative so far? I assume I don't have to ask if this is your first Christie book? It seems like most everyone has read at least one of her books, or has seen an episode or two of the tv adaptations.
I am so happy to read this book. This is not my first Christie book by far having read every single one of her books several times over. I adore the David Suchet & Hugh Fraser series and watch them very regularly though it was sad that they never made an adaptation of this book. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same of the Kenneth Branagh versions.
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