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(group member since Sep 18, 2025)
I'm sorry but i'm about to be rude. Back read. I just explained it four times because nobody here is listening.
(syd you're exempt)
Sydney wrote: "Tessie wrote: "Sydney wrote: "Tessie wrote: "Sydney wrote: "@tess why do you believe a fetus' doesn't have human rights? Who is the one to say that?"No according to the law they aren't a legal hu..."
YESSSS I love this and TOTALLY agree. I think it would be great if they were ruled as legal humans, but abortion or embryo transplant should be legal and available for rape victims and women who medically need it, it could be ruled as self defense. Also the adoption system needs to just be fixed in general.
Caroline (MESSY SPICY HAIR VERSION) wrote: "Abortion is not okay... Would it be okay to just murder a child? No. Because that's the same thing. The baby is still alive."OH MY If one more person- ONE MORE says 'ahh abortion = murder im literally going to have a stroke. Back read. Like one paragraph. It. is. Not. Murder. It is killing yes and sad and horrible but not murder...
Sydney wrote: "Tessie wrote: "Sydney wrote: "@tess why do you believe a fetus' doesn't have human rights? Who is the one to say that?"No according to the law they aren't a legal human so they dont have human ri..."
Honestly i'm not sure you made that specific law, but typically the president puts federal laws in place and they are passed by congress. State laws are made by the governor, etc. I imagine the decision wasn't an active decision, it was the lack of one. Meaning they didn't decide whether to give a fetus rights, they just didn't.
Sydney wrote: "Tessie wrote: "No. Its not murder unless a fetus is given human rights, aka they have to pay taxes tpye of thing.Murder beiing a legal term has to do with yes the law but mainly a fetus's personal..."
Oh yeah, i think morality can't be justified by the law. If we gave fetuses human rights we'd have to pay taxes on them. thats ridiculous.
Again i wish abortion could be banned safely, but it can't because tbh our government just sucks.
Lillian wrote: "Tessie wrote: "Lillian wrote: "So if we can agree that they're human, then why is it okay to kill another human?? Even if they aren't legal people, whether or not a baby should live shouldn't be ba..."Not true, children have legal human rights.
Also i meant the question of what would your compromise be?
Sydney wrote: "@tess why do you believe a fetus' doesn't have human rights? Who is the one to say that?"No according to the law they aren't a legal human so they dont have human rights. Its why your parents dont pay taxes for ya until you're born. Its why you dont get a social security number until you're born.
Lillian will you answer my question please?
No. Its not murder unless a fetus is given human rights, aka they have to pay taxes tpye of thing.
Murder beiing a legal term has to do with yes the law but mainly a fetus's personal rights, and they have none therefore it is killing but not murder.
Lillian wrote: "I'd still say that it's wrong. Even IF there were no laws banning or allowing it, it doesn't make the murder of your child any less wrong."Lillian we literally just went over this, and Syd talked about it in her explanation too. It's not murder.
@Syd, you're good!
Also i think it is wrong in specific cases. In a perfect world i'd want it banned with exceptions including rape and medically necessary abortion. but we are not in a perfect world, and because i don't trust the government to make the right calls as was shown the Adrianna case, therefore i say it should be legal.
Lillian wrote: "So if we can agree that they're human, then why is it okay to kill another human?? Even if they aren't legal people, whether or not a baby should live shouldn't be based on what rights, or lack of ..."Well everything in life is based on what rights to have. You're literally arguing a fetus's RIGHT to live. I think its okay in circumstances, lik ei already explained. I think until certain things happen, it should be fully legal because we can't trust the govenrment to do whats right. For example Georgia's laws are banning abortion only witht he exception of medical necessity, but Adrianna medically needed an abortion and she was not granted one, and she died.
Also i already said this and you never responded, so i'll post it again.
If you had to compromise with pro-choice individuals, what would your compromise entail?
I would say that abortion after 6 weeks be banned unless of medically necessary reasons, this includes the mother being a child herself or even possible complications that could result in the death of a child or parent. This personally would also come with the stipulations that the law only be changed to abortions being banned after 6 weeks if the adoptions center was fixed up and safe, and we began conducting experiments and studies to find a way to transplant or preserve a fetus or embryo for a lower price, that way mothers dont have to go through the pregnancy, but the fetus does not have to die. I would say the cutoff be at six weeks, because this is when cardiopulmonary pulsing begins. What do you think?
Lillian wrote: "But what kind of fetus and embryo are they??? They're a human one--it's all stages of human development, which makes them human from conception."Bruh. I literally JUST agreed that they are human. They are not a LEGAL PERSON. LEGALLY they are not human people. SCIENTIFICALLY they are human.
Lillian wrote: "Tessie wrote: "@LillianI'm not upset--sorry if I came across like that, though.
You guys would rather be dead??
Yes, we'd put our mothers who already had a life over our life.
A mom would have t..."
Please read my entire debate because i agreed with you that they are human species. I did not agree with you that they are a LEGAL human, aka legal person. Before they are a child they are whats called a fetus, and before that they are an embryo.
Lillian wrote: "By your logic, is murder okay if the person being murdered doesn't have the same cognitive function as us?? Would you say that the worth of a life is dependent on their cognitive function??"Um yes? Like i said, people are murdered all the tim ebecause they have no cognitive function. It's called being brain dead.
Katniss wrote: "Did you pay attention in science at all? Because life starts at conception, the moment an egg and sperm meet your life started. Yes, it is murder."I'm talking about legality, since murder is a legal term. Unfortunately you may have to read my entire debate before responding. Science does say life begins at conception, but murder is a legal term defined by the unlawful killing of a legal person. A fetus is not a legal person until birth. Please do your research.
@AudreyThere are multiple processes that have to happen in order for anyhting to feel pain, and in order for them to do so, the brain stem, the nociceptors, the cerebral cortex, the limpic system, and the spinal cords have to be fully developed, which isn't until 24 weeks.
Saying they can feel pain at 6 weeks is incredibly uneducated claim and i'd love to know where you read that so i can report it for misinformation lol
Organs form between 5-8 weeks, typically closer to eight actually, and most of those systems i mentioned including the brain and brain stem dont start forming until the 12th week.
@Audrey do you have links for your statistics?
Katniss wrote: "No, abortion is not ok. It is murder no matter what way you put it. If you disagree then I’m sorry for you, because I genuinely wish you didn’t."It isn't murder because murder is a legal term. Fetuses are not legal people. this isn't saying its good, im sayin that your wording is incorrect factually and legally.
@LillianI'm not upset--sorry if I came across like that, though.
You guys would rather be dead??
Yes, we'd put our mothers who already had a life over our life.
A mom would have trauma if that happened to her--but is it the baby's fault that she has the trauma?? No, it's the person's fault who assaulted her.
Yes, but the baby is the one who causes the trauma of pregnancy and birth. Yes, birth and pregnancy, especially of an unwanted child can be traumatic to the mother. Stress is also scientifically proven to have a negative effect on the baby, if a mother is overly stressed baout her child she is more likely to miscarry and the baby is more likely to have a psychological disorder.
And animals are different--it's one thing to cull a farm animal, but another to kill a child.
Oh yes, i agree, but it's the same concept. Also a fetus is not a child in any way until at least 32 weeks.
And I'm curious what you think makes the baby's cells not a baby. Aren't we all, technically speaking, all just made of cells anyway??
I think we can agree that it'd be wrong to kill someone who's older because they're "just cells," and abortion is no different.
See, but we have cognitive function. you say in your other messae tha tit doesn't matter, but it does because we are legally allowed to kill a brain dead person, why aren't we allowed to kill fetuses? It's actually could be considered more ethical on terms of a scale to abort a fetus over cutting a perosn off life support, as the person is a legal person, has complex relationships, and their life will not negatively nor positively physically affect others if they are taken off life support.
And no, I don't support the death of women who die from giving birth--and abortion when the baby and mom would both die and there are no other options is a bit different.
Thats good to hear. If you had to compromise with pro-choice individuals, what would your compromise entail?
I would say that abortion after 6 weeks be banned unless of medically necessary reasons, this includes the mother being a child herself or even possible complications that could result in the death of a child or parent. This personally would also come with the stipulations that the law only be changed to abortions being banned after 6 weeks if the adoptions center was fixed up and safe, and we began conducting experiments and studies to find a way to transplant or preserve a fetus or embryo for a lower price, that way mothers dont have to go through the pregnancy, but the fetus does not have to die. I would say the cutoff be at six weeks, because this is when cardiopulmonary pulsing begins. What do you think?
