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Tolkien is renown for being a difficult author to read. I'm not surprised when people give his books low ratings.
While this was painful to read, there's no need to be sorry. There will always be differing opinions about every single book out there. Even the best book ever written :)
That's brave Khanh :) I respect Tolkien and I read the whole The Fellowship ... book, but couldn't force myself to read the next two. I also loved the movies.
AGREE. I loved The Silmarillion but can't seem to finish reading any of his other books. Which is funny, I guess, because Silma is supposedly his least accessible work and has little plot to keep people, or at least the half-grown ones interested. (But it does have plenty of linguistics! And names. And death. TRULY EPIC.)
OK, I will go now...
You're not alone! I couldn't finish the Hobbit and absolutely forced myself through The Fellowship - it is SO boring!
@Khanh: Thank you for writing this.
Like you, I spent many years trying to appreciate the "genius" that is Tolkien's writing. Like you, I kept failing and figured I wasn't "geeky" enough...so I kept at it. Eventually I realized that no, this is not in fact to my tastes, me thinking this is boring and dense is okay, and as long as I recognize the (very legitimate) contributions Tolkien made to the fantasy genre I'm not bashing him by failing to be enthralled by his work.
A house is built by many individuals with wildly differing skills; the worker who pours the concrete for the foundation is far removed from the worker who decides what colors the walls should be painted. The interior designer can respect the contribution of the foundation-maker without wanting to learn how to be one - or for that matter thinking what they do is totally amazing.
Same is true for the "elders" of any genre of fiction; one can respect their status while at the same time not much care for the work they created. It is okay for a reader to judge a work based on what it means to them...any time, every time, all the time. Even if that means a reader looks at the work of some mega-super-foundational-respected grandmaster and says "yeah, I respect what other people did with your concepts and stuff...but this shit? Kinda boring to me." The day such behavior becomes a mortal sin is the day literary criticism dies in my view.
I have respect for the classics, but precisely zero reverence. Blind faith is the provenance of fools who haven't looked close enough.
Yep, I completely agree with this. I did manage to read the entire trilogy as well as The Hobbit, but it required a lot of effort. It was dull, it was slow, there was a ton of unnecessary information, and he talks about trees for ten pages. I love the world he's built up and how much he means to the fantasy world, but... his story-telling is just not for me.
I totally agree Khanh, and I feel somehow relieved! I used to think the same about these books but I could never express my feelings because Tolkien is a legend and who am I to judge.... Happy to see this review. :-)
These are my feelings exactly. The only way I got through Tolkien was when I took a fun and amazing class on him. Seriously, he's more fun to study than to read.
You are SO not alone, Khanh! I made it as far as page 3 of "The Hobbit" and simply couldn't continue. Let's not feel bad or sad about it. :)
OMG thank you thank you thank you__ I've always thought that I was just weird, and have gotten angry reprimands from lots of friends, but I share your thoughts exactly >< and, believe me, I've tried again and again and again.
I remember reading the German translation and back then I was: You could have cut the first half of the book down to 10% at it would not make any difference.
I'm amazed so many people feel the same as me. I made myself read the whole trilogy, so no Tolkien fans could discredit my feelings about it. I wanted to love it. I read them prior to the films, which were amazing. I was kind with my rating of the books....but oh my god...they were torture. I even found myself cleaning the oven half way through a chapter, just to have some stimulation. That takes quite some tedium to make me choose oven cleaning over reading!
I'm tried reading this a few years ago, but just couldn't. It's so dull. Now I feel bad because lots of series I love are inspired by Tolkien.
Initially I had the same issues as you. Beginning his books is slow and arduous, Tolkien is definitely a difficult read at times. But I do have to disagree to some extent. Indeed, persistence truly did save the book. It grew interesting and I couldn't put it down. However, I can understand your reasoning perfectly. It was well phrased.
It's so funny you posted this review on the same day I was stroking and admiring my gorgeous 1965 hardbound copies of this series that belonged to my mother. :) LOL Serendipity.
And no need to apologize! Your opinion is certainly valid. :)
No need to apologize for not liking Tolkien. His stuff can be hard to read. I HATED the Hobbit, but the Lord of the Rings was awesome. The movies were awesome too.
Mari wrote: "No need to apologize for not liking Tolkien. His stuff can be hard to read. I HATED the Hobbit, but the Lord of the Rings was awesome. The movies were awesome too."
You mean the Hobbit movies as well? ^^
I tried reading The Hobbit in the 6th grade. I couldn't get past the dwarf party. I know exactly how you feel.
Vivien wrote: "I tried reading The Hobbit in the 6th grade. I couldn't get past the dwarf party. I know exactly how you feel."
I read the entire book and I can only say: Luckily the movies are a big screw you to the source material.
I do love Tolkien's rich descriptions because it allows me to imagine everything vividly but I do agree with you, some parts of the book made me fall asleep... coughthecouncilofelrondcough
Don't feel bad, Khanh. The day that everyone has to like the exact same books is the day I will refuse to read. There's something for everyone out there to enjoy.
Someone else made an important point: as literature evolves and time moves on, it's perfectly acceptable to respect earlier writing without actually enjoying it. As the years go by, less and less people will enjoy people like Tolkien, Bronte, Proust, etc. No worries. :)
Im the same way I wanted to LOVE this book, its like, someone not liking Star Wars (which I wasn't able to get on that bandwagon haven't seen any of the movies or read anything about it), while everyone else seems to love it, I wasn't able to get through the book nor the movies. I was really sad about it.
FUCKING FINALLY. Someone I can I hug that also does not get the love for Tolkien. I pick the movies any day.
After I saw the first movie in the cinema, I went in search of the books... me and apparently a whole lot of people.
The book was out of print for awhile (different jackets related to the movie), so the only one available was Simarillion. Which I bought.
Luckily for me at the time I was going through finals, so I didn't had the time to read it.
Meanwhile Lord of Rings became available, I bought it and immediately start reading it...
OMG it was so boring :/
The songs! I hated the songs!
Bottom line: I have never ever picked up another Tolkien book again. As for the Simarillion(sP) it is on my shelf collecting dust. :D
Ugh thank you for saying what I couldn't! I was scared to say I didn't enjoy the book, because what kind of bookworm says that? But it was just so slow, and so boring. I feel like a lot of people say they like the books, but oh I know...they're bullshitting. Lol.
Susana wrote: "Bottom line: I have never ever picked up another Tolkien book again. As for the Silmarillion(sP) it is on my shelf collecting dust. :D "
In retrospect I would say the Simarillion is easier to read than LOTR since its actually a collection of different, sometimes quite short stories. Also it was never planned to be published by Tolkien, so its not as long and you can basically stop wherever you want since the stories end all the time.
I actually liked the Tom Binbadil parts and was disappointed the movie left him out. But, frankly, when I re-read the trilogy I skim a lot of the bucolic, scenery, farmer bits to get on to the action bits once all the fellowship members meet up. I get it; I know all the scenic stuff was pretty par for the course for books written at that time frame (particularly by "scholarly" writers). I even get that ztolkien was paying homage to a countryside and a lifestyle. But, it's just not that interesting to read on first encounter and outright stuporish boring to re-read. I loved the Hobbit, his shorter works and poetry and all those Inkling write rings so much that I did manage to read hose sections the first time even if boring. At the time, not really that much more boring than other scenic bits of contemporary books -- but, I get where you are coming from with this.
D.A — not one more promotion on my feed drowning out my friends puh-leeeeeese!!!! wrote: "I actually liked the Tom Binbadil parts and was disappointed the movie left him out. But, frankly, when I re-read the trilogy I skim a lot of the bucolic, scenery, farmer bits to get on to the act..."
Well, when you get down to it, what influence did the Tom Bombadil part really have on the wider story?
I think I got halfway through and gave up after Tolkien spent a whole chapter describing trees. Way too wordy for me. the Hobbit however was excellent!
I can't get through The Hobbit either. Just watch the movies (not the Hobbit movies, the Fellowship movies). :)
I actually managed to get through all three books and overall, I gave them three stars. But by far, the first book is the most difficult to get through. His writing can definitely be rather dry and it's not surprising. In addition to being a linguist, he spent a lot of time studying myths and legends. Books written about such topics are often dry and it appeared to me that he was copying that style. The Silmarillion, in my opinion, is definitely indicative of that. And even though he did create an interesting world, I never could understand why he inspires so many. His works are inspired from mythology, Norse and Celtic in particular. Besides that, Tolkien is definitely an acquired taste.
Yes, the movies were incredible. (Still disgusted at how they butchered "The Hobbit" though.) And it was definitely more of a skim-over-reading exercise for me to get through any of the books. But like you, I definitely respect Tolkien. (And Lewis, though I can't get past 30 pages of his books.)
Andre wrote: "Susana wrote: "Bottom line: I have never ever picked up another Tolkien book again. As for the Silmarillion(sP) it is on my shelf collecting dust. :D "
In retrospect I would say the Simarillion is..."
Really?
Well I may give it another try one of these... months. At the moment my concentration is running too thin for me to deal with epic fantasy.
The first fantasy book I read was Guy Gavriel Kay's The Summer Tree. Back then I loved it, and I guess I was expecting something along the lines of it when I started with Lord of The Rings.
Yeah... Tolkien is... like cheese cake. Like very rich, rich, rich cheese cake. Not that I hate cheese cake but I have to eat it slowly. I've only read the Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring. I think.
The movies make a lot of things tighter but I didn't notice Tom Bombidil being a pedophile. I thought he was just, very very annoying.
Also his books are a sausage fest.
Oh, I loved Lord of the Rings. At the time, I was in high school and being forced to read Beowulf and the Kalevala, so I knew the source material Tolkien was updating. He did a really good job, too. Also, there was no adult fantasy (at least in the sword and sorcery sense) when LOTR came out. It was the only book of its kind around, and it opened a new world for me. Thank you, JRR!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who couldn't get thru it. Actually, the Hobbit was read to me by a teacher who only read the exciting or relevant parts, so when I was all grown up I decided to try and realized how much our teacher skipped over.
J. M. wrote: "Actually, the Hobbit was read to me by a teacher who only read the exciting or relevant parts, so when I was all grown up I decided to try and realized how much our teacher skipped over. "
Did she skip over the complaining and all the times when Bilbo thinks and talks about food?
Or when the elves ran away from the dwarves?
Synesthesia (SPIDERS!) wrote: "Yeah... Tolkien is... like cheese cake. Like very rich, rich, rich cheese cake. Not that I hate cheese cake but I have to eat it slowly. I've only read the Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring. I thin..."
The books read a little differently after the Fellowship, its each time basically two books in one due to the two different main plotlines, with Frodo and Sam's being the more boring one in Two Towers.
Synesthesia (SPIDERS!) wrote: "Also his books are a sausage fest. "
Undeniable, the only woman in The Hobbit was Bilbo's mother and she was only mentioned.
Not to mention that when people complain about Tauriel only being in the movies for a romance subplot, I would say that the books weren't any different, even in terms of Galadriel you had a romance in there since Gimli fell for her. Sure it wasn't her main role but then again she didn't have much to do any way.
Susana wrote: "Well I may give it another try one of these... months. At the moment my concentration is running too thin for me to deal with epic fantasy."
Just remember that the Simarrilion was never planned to be released by Tolkien. So several stories seem more like sketches than actual plots.
Leah wrote: "Yes, the movies were incredible. (Still disgusted at how they butchered "The Hobbit" though.)"
Why? In comparison they butched LOTR as well.
And me personally I am happy they changed it so much, the books were at its weakest and most non-sensical when they were close to the books.
You noticed that Tolkien didn't have much idea about strategy or physiology and the like.
I liked The Hobbit, not boring at all. I couldn't get all the way through the first of the Ring trilogy at all. Tom Bombadil was the end for me. Tolkien is the equivalent of one of those bands that's influential: the music just isn't that good. It's heresy to say "Tolkien is boring" but it was. Peter Jackson did the world a HUGE favor when he made the boring books into exciting movies!
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While this was painful to read, there's no need to be sorry. There will always be differing opinions about every single book out there. Even the best book ever written :)
That's brave Khanh :) I respect Tolkien and I read the whole The Fellowship ... book, but couldn't force myself to read the next two. I also loved the movies.
AGREE. I loved The Silmarillion but can't seem to finish reading any of his other books. Which is funny, I guess, because Silma is supposedly his least accessible work and has little plot to keep people, or at least the half-grown ones interested. (But it does have plenty of linguistics! And names. And death. TRULY EPIC.)OK, I will go now...
You're not alone! I couldn't finish the Hobbit and absolutely forced myself through The Fellowship - it is SO boring!
@Khanh: Thank you for writing this. Like you, I spent many years trying to appreciate the "genius" that is Tolkien's writing. Like you, I kept failing and figured I wasn't "geeky" enough...so I kept at it. Eventually I realized that no, this is not in fact to my tastes, me thinking this is boring and dense is okay, and as long as I recognize the (very legitimate) contributions Tolkien made to the fantasy genre I'm not bashing him by failing to be enthralled by his work.
A house is built by many individuals with wildly differing skills; the worker who pours the concrete for the foundation is far removed from the worker who decides what colors the walls should be painted. The interior designer can respect the contribution of the foundation-maker without wanting to learn how to be one - or for that matter thinking what they do is totally amazing.
Same is true for the "elders" of any genre of fiction; one can respect their status while at the same time not much care for the work they created. It is okay for a reader to judge a work based on what it means to them...any time, every time, all the time. Even if that means a reader looks at the work of some mega-super-foundational-respected grandmaster and says "yeah, I respect what other people did with your concepts and stuff...but this shit? Kinda boring to me." The day such behavior becomes a mortal sin is the day literary criticism dies in my view.
I have respect for the classics, but precisely zero reverence. Blind faith is the provenance of fools who haven't looked close enough.
Yep, I completely agree with this. I did manage to read the entire trilogy as well as The Hobbit, but it required a lot of effort. It was dull, it was slow, there was a ton of unnecessary information, and he talks about trees for ten pages. I love the world he's built up and how much he means to the fantasy world, but... his story-telling is just not for me.
I totally agree Khanh, and I feel somehow relieved! I used to think the same about these books but I could never express my feelings because Tolkien is a legend and who am I to judge.... Happy to see this review. :-)
These are my feelings exactly. The only way I got through Tolkien was when I took a fun and amazing class on him. Seriously, he's more fun to study than to read.
You are SO not alone, Khanh! I made it as far as page 3 of "The Hobbit" and simply couldn't continue. Let's not feel bad or sad about it. :)
OMG thank you thank you thank you__ I've always thought that I was just weird, and have gotten angry reprimands from lots of friends, but I share your thoughts exactly >< and, believe me, I've tried again and again and again.
I remember reading the German translation and back then I was: You could have cut the first half of the book down to 10% at it would not make any difference.
I'm amazed so many people feel the same as me. I made myself read the whole trilogy, so no Tolkien fans could discredit my feelings about it. I wanted to love it. I read them prior to the films, which were amazing. I was kind with my rating of the books....but oh my god...they were torture. I even found myself cleaning the oven half way through a chapter, just to have some stimulation. That takes quite some tedium to make me choose oven cleaning over reading!
I'm tried reading this a few years ago, but just couldn't. It's so dull. Now I feel bad because lots of series I love are inspired by Tolkien.
Initially I had the same issues as you. Beginning his books is slow and arduous, Tolkien is definitely a difficult read at times. But I do have to disagree to some extent. Indeed, persistence truly did save the book. It grew interesting and I couldn't put it down. However, I can understand your reasoning perfectly. It was well phrased.
It's so funny you posted this review on the same day I was stroking and admiring my gorgeous 1965 hardbound copies of this series that belonged to my mother. :) LOL Serendipity.And no need to apologize! Your opinion is certainly valid. :)
No need to apologize for not liking Tolkien. His stuff can be hard to read. I HATED the Hobbit, but the Lord of the Rings was awesome. The movies were awesome too.
Mari wrote: "No need to apologize for not liking Tolkien. His stuff can be hard to read. I HATED the Hobbit, but the Lord of the Rings was awesome. The movies were awesome too."You mean the Hobbit movies as well? ^^
Totally felt the same way when I tried to get into it again because of my love for the movies. But couldn't get through because it was way too dull to continue. you're not the only one!
I tried reading The Hobbit in the 6th grade. I couldn't get past the dwarf party. I know exactly how you feel.
Vivien wrote: "I tried reading The Hobbit in the 6th grade. I couldn't get past the dwarf party. I know exactly how you feel."I read the entire book and I can only say: Luckily the movies are a big screw you to the source material.
I do love Tolkien's rich descriptions because it allows me to imagine everything vividly but I do agree with you, some parts of the book made me fall asleep... coughthecouncilofelrondcough
Don't feel bad, Khanh. The day that everyone has to like the exact same books is the day I will refuse to read. There's something for everyone out there to enjoy. Someone else made an important point: as literature evolves and time moves on, it's perfectly acceptable to respect earlier writing without actually enjoying it. As the years go by, less and less people will enjoy people like Tolkien, Bronte, Proust, etc. No worries. :)
Im the same way I wanted to LOVE this book, its like, someone not liking Star Wars (which I wasn't able to get on that bandwagon haven't seen any of the movies or read anything about it), while everyone else seems to love it, I wasn't able to get through the book nor the movies. I was really sad about it.
FUCKING FINALLY. Someone I can I hug that also does not get the love for Tolkien. I pick the movies any day.
After I saw the first movie in the cinema, I went in search of the books... me and apparently a whole lot of people.The book was out of print for awhile (different jackets related to the movie), so the only one available was Simarillion. Which I bought.
Luckily for me at the time I was going through finals, so I didn't had the time to read it.
Meanwhile Lord of Rings became available, I bought it and immediately start reading it...
OMG it was so boring :/
The songs! I hated the songs!
Bottom line: I have never ever picked up another Tolkien book again. As for the Simarillion(sP) it is on my shelf collecting dust. :D
Ugh thank you for saying what I couldn't! I was scared to say I didn't enjoy the book, because what kind of bookworm says that? But it was just so slow, and so boring. I feel like a lot of people say they like the books, but oh I know...they're bullshitting. Lol.
Susana wrote: "Bottom line: I have never ever picked up another Tolkien book again. As for the Silmarillion(sP) it is on my shelf collecting dust. :D "In retrospect I would say the Simarillion is easier to read than LOTR since its actually a collection of different, sometimes quite short stories. Also it was never planned to be published by Tolkien, so its not as long and you can basically stop wherever you want since the stories end all the time.
I actually liked the Tom Binbadil parts and was disappointed the movie left him out. But, frankly, when I re-read the trilogy I skim a lot of the bucolic, scenery, farmer bits to get on to the action bits once all the fellowship members meet up. I get it; I know all the scenic stuff was pretty par for the course for books written at that time frame (particularly by "scholarly" writers). I even get that ztolkien was paying homage to a countryside and a lifestyle. But, it's just not that interesting to read on first encounter and outright stuporish boring to re-read. I loved the Hobbit, his shorter works and poetry and all those Inkling write rings so much that I did manage to read hose sections the first time even if boring. At the time, not really that much more boring than other scenic bits of contemporary books -- but, I get where you are coming from with this.
D.A — not one more promotion on my feed drowning out my friends puh-leeeeeese!!!! wrote: "I actually liked the Tom Binbadil parts and was disappointed the movie left him out. But, frankly, when I re-read the trilogy I skim a lot of the bucolic, scenery, farmer bits to get on to the act..."Well, when you get down to it, what influence did the Tom Bombadil part really have on the wider story?
I think I got halfway through and gave up after Tolkien spent a whole chapter describing trees. Way too wordy for me. the Hobbit however was excellent!
I can't get through The Hobbit either. Just watch the movies (not the Hobbit movies, the Fellowship movies). :)
I actually managed to get through all three books and overall, I gave them three stars. But by far, the first book is the most difficult to get through. His writing can definitely be rather dry and it's not surprising. In addition to being a linguist, he spent a lot of time studying myths and legends. Books written about such topics are often dry and it appeared to me that he was copying that style. The Silmarillion, in my opinion, is definitely indicative of that. And even though he did create an interesting world, I never could understand why he inspires so many. His works are inspired from mythology, Norse and Celtic in particular. Besides that, Tolkien is definitely an acquired taste.
Yes, the movies were incredible. (Still disgusted at how they butchered "The Hobbit" though.) And it was definitely more of a skim-over-reading exercise for me to get through any of the books. But like you, I definitely respect Tolkien. (And Lewis, though I can't get past 30 pages of his books.)
Andre wrote: "Susana wrote: "Bottom line: I have never ever picked up another Tolkien book again. As for the Silmarillion(sP) it is on my shelf collecting dust. :D "In retrospect I would say the Simarillion is..."
Really?
Well I may give it another try one of these... months. At the moment my concentration is running too thin for me to deal with epic fantasy.
The first fantasy book I read was Guy Gavriel Kay's The Summer Tree. Back then I loved it, and I guess I was expecting something along the lines of it when I started with Lord of The Rings.
Yeah... Tolkien is... like cheese cake. Like very rich, rich, rich cheese cake. Not that I hate cheese cake but I have to eat it slowly. I've only read the Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring. I think.The movies make a lot of things tighter but I didn't notice Tom Bombidil being a pedophile. I thought he was just, very very annoying.
Also his books are a sausage fest.
Oh, I loved Lord of the Rings. At the time, I was in high school and being forced to read Beowulf and the Kalevala, so I knew the source material Tolkien was updating. He did a really good job, too. Also, there was no adult fantasy (at least in the sword and sorcery sense) when LOTR came out. It was the only book of its kind around, and it opened a new world for me. Thank you, JRR!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who couldn't get thru it. Actually, the Hobbit was read to me by a teacher who only read the exciting or relevant parts, so when I was all grown up I decided to try and realized how much our teacher skipped over.
J. M. wrote: "Actually, the Hobbit was read to me by a teacher who only read the exciting or relevant parts, so when I was all grown up I decided to try and realized how much our teacher skipped over. "Did she skip over the complaining and all the times when Bilbo thinks and talks about food?
Or when the elves ran away from the dwarves?
Synesthesia (SPIDERS!) wrote: "Yeah... Tolkien is... like cheese cake. Like very rich, rich, rich cheese cake. Not that I hate cheese cake but I have to eat it slowly. I've only read the Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring. I thin..."
The books read a little differently after the Fellowship, its each time basically two books in one due to the two different main plotlines, with Frodo and Sam's being the more boring one in Two Towers.
Synesthesia (SPIDERS!) wrote: "Also his books are a sausage fest. "
Undeniable, the only woman in The Hobbit was Bilbo's mother and she was only mentioned.
Not to mention that when people complain about Tauriel only being in the movies for a romance subplot, I would say that the books weren't any different, even in terms of Galadriel you had a romance in there since Gimli fell for her. Sure it wasn't her main role but then again she didn't have much to do any way.
Susana wrote: "Well I may give it another try one of these... months. At the moment my concentration is running too thin for me to deal with epic fantasy."
Just remember that the Simarrilion was never planned to be released by Tolkien. So several stories seem more like sketches than actual plots.
Leah wrote: "Yes, the movies were incredible. (Still disgusted at how they butchered "The Hobbit" though.)"
Why? In comparison they butched LOTR as well.
And me personally I am happy they changed it so much, the books were at its weakest and most non-sensical when they were close to the books.
You noticed that Tolkien didn't have much idea about strategy or physiology and the like.
I liked The Hobbit, not boring at all. I couldn't get all the way through the first of the Ring trilogy at all. Tom Bombadil was the end for me. Tolkien is the equivalent of one of those bands that's influential: the music just isn't that good. It's heresy to say "Tolkien is boring" but it was. Peter Jackson did the world a HUGE favor when he made the boring books into exciting movies!











