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Marketing Advice from Self-Published Author Josiah Bancroft
Posted by Cynthia on February 5, 2018
Josiah Bancroft originally self-published his book, Senlin Ascends, in 2013. It was by no means an instant success. Bancroft estimates it sold just 250 copies in its first three years. Last year, after the book caught the attention of some high-profile fans, it was sold to Orbit (an imprint of Hachette Book Group), which re-released it in January. As part of the re-release, Orbit covered the galley in Goodreads reviews. "Senlin Ascends is a word-of-mouth hit and the best way to show that was by sharing what readers were saying on Goodreads, explains Alex Lencicki, Marketing and Publicity Director at Orbit. "We also liked how all those quotes stacked up into a "babel" of voices. "Everyone is talking," like in the myth."
Josiah already shared some tidbits about his publishing experience in an interview with Goodreads last month, but we wanted to dig a little deeper to find out what advice he has for other self-published writers.
Can you tell us a little about your process of self-publishing Senlin Ascends?
When I first started writing Senlin Ascends, I was part of a small writing group called the Ides. We had been meeting for many years at that point, and I showed them the first fifty pages or so of the draft. After getting their feedback, which was perfectly fine and salient, I came to the realization that I wanted to continue writing the story on my own. I think there's a good case to be made for writing groups and beta readers, and I've benefited from both over the years. But I also think that, for some writers, there comes a point when they need to strike out on their own, make their own mistakes, and pursue their own weirdness.
The cover art was created by Ian Leino, who has been my best friend since childhood. Ian is a fulltime professional graphic designer and artist. Other than my wife, Sharon, there has been no one who's been more supportive of my writing efforts over the years. We discussed a few ideas for the cover, but the aesthetic and image he eventually produced were entirely his own. But he did more than create the face of the series. He also brought me along with him to comic conventions. He helped me come up with my sales patter, and he jumped in when I struggled to deliver it. He was there when I sold my first copy to someone. Without Ian, I truly don't think there would be any Books of Babel. When my publisher Orbit informed me that they would be using Ian's artwork for the republished covers, I was ecstatic.
Josiah already shared some tidbits about his publishing experience in an interview with Goodreads last month, but we wanted to dig a little deeper to find out what advice he has for other self-published writers.
Can you tell us a little about your process of self-publishing Senlin Ascends?
When I first started writing Senlin Ascends, I was part of a small writing group called the Ides. We had been meeting for many years at that point, and I showed them the first fifty pages or so of the draft. After getting their feedback, which was perfectly fine and salient, I came to the realization that I wanted to continue writing the story on my own. I think there's a good case to be made for writing groups and beta readers, and I've benefited from both over the years. But I also think that, for some writers, there comes a point when they need to strike out on their own, make their own mistakes, and pursue their own weirdness.
The cover art was created by Ian Leino, who has been my best friend since childhood. Ian is a fulltime professional graphic designer and artist. Other than my wife, Sharon, there has been no one who's been more supportive of my writing efforts over the years. We discussed a few ideas for the cover, but the aesthetic and image he eventually produced were entirely his own. But he did more than create the face of the series. He also brought me along with him to comic conventions. He helped me come up with my sales patter, and he jumped in when I struggled to deliver it. He was there when I sold my first copy to someone. Without Ian, I truly don't think there would be any Books of Babel. When my publisher Orbit informed me that they would be using Ian's artwork for the republished covers, I was ecstatic.
You mention focusing on a few online platforms to promote yourself. What activities on Goodreads did you end up doing that you enjoyed the most? Any advice for authors who are not comfortable promoting themselves online?
I took advantage of Goodreads' giveaways on several occasions. In my experience, the program was useful. It connected me with several readers who remain avid fans to this day. I've also dabbled with blogging on Goodreads, though I've come to realize that blogging isn't my forte. Which leads me to the best advice I can give someone who's a little leery of public exposure, self-promotion, and social media: Don't try to do everything. Find the platform that suits your skills and your interests best and focus on it.
When I self-published Senlin Ascends I tried to do it all: blogging, tweeting, a professional website, Facebook, Reddit, newsletters, press-releases, and, a little later on, Instagram. I stretched myself very thin, which only made me feel more anxious and unready. I think if your goal is to build an audience, the most important things are consistency and focus. There will always be someone standing by to tell you you're doing everything wrong. Take their advice with a grain of salt, and don't lose faith in your method to your madness.
I took advantage of Goodreads' giveaways on several occasions. In my experience, the program was useful. It connected me with several readers who remain avid fans to this day. I've also dabbled with blogging on Goodreads, though I've come to realize that blogging isn't my forte. Which leads me to the best advice I can give someone who's a little leery of public exposure, self-promotion, and social media: Don't try to do everything. Find the platform that suits your skills and your interests best and focus on it.
When I self-published Senlin Ascends I tried to do it all: blogging, tweeting, a professional website, Facebook, Reddit, newsletters, press-releases, and, a little later on, Instagram. I stretched myself very thin, which only made me feel more anxious and unready. I think if your goal is to build an audience, the most important things are consistency and focus. There will always be someone standing by to tell you you're doing everything wrong. Take their advice with a grain of salt, and don't lose faith in your method to your madness.
After you had submitted the book for a contest, the author Mark Lawrence picked it up and decided to become the books 'champion.' This opened a lot of doors for you. Can you tell us a little more about the role he played and why that was a turning point in your publishing story?
It would be hard to overstate Mark's role in getting Senlin Ascends published. After discovering the book through his Self-Published Fantasy Blog-Off (SPFBO) contest, he shared the book with everyone he knew, including his writer friends and his agent, Ian Drury, who would eventually become my own agent. He blogged about it on his site, and he flogged it on Reddit's r/fantasy forum, Facebook, and Twitter. His publicizing efforts had their intended effect. After three years of languishing, my book began to sell.
Behind the scenes, Mark offered me a ton of invaluable advice, from pointing out a dead link on my Goodreads page to explaining how I should interpret trends and sales. I like to think I've taken advantage of the opportunity he provided me, but I have no illusion that my success is owed entirely to the luck of my book finding its way into Mark's hands. This is both the most discouraging and, potentially, the most liberating aspect of publishing: Luck is the primary variable in the equation of success.
Are there specific book publishing and promotion resources you can recommend for self-published authors?
Probably the most productive thing a self-publisher can do is to find a community to contribute to and converse with. I learned this lesson late, but there's nothing more helpful and hopeful than sharing your work with an active and healthy community. I think it's best if that community isn't only composed of writers, but really, the composition of the community is not as important as its culture. I found a supportive community of readers, bloggers, and writers through Mark Lawrence's SPFBO and in r/fantasy. It took me a while to figure out how to interact with them; I am not the most socially adept person. But I discovered that a little politeness goes a long way.
How has working with a traditional publisher like Orbit helped expand the audience for your book?
Orbit has put a ton of effort into getting the book into the hands of authors, reviewers, and national publications, which has resulted in some lovely press for Senlin Ascends, including a write up in the Washington Post and a blurb in the Toronto Star. The fine folks at Orbit gave me the opportunity to speak to their sales force and to a room full of book buyers, which was an incredible experience. They produced a promotional video and organized many interviews with bloggers and venerable sites like Goodreads. They ran contests and placed some prominent ads, and they're working to organize panels and other in-person engagements later this year. Working with professionals has taught me that I am a very good writer and a terrible publicist. Having their help has been transformative.
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It would be hard to overstate Mark's role in getting Senlin Ascends published. After discovering the book through his Self-Published Fantasy Blog-Off (SPFBO) contest, he shared the book with everyone he knew, including his writer friends and his agent, Ian Drury, who would eventually become my own agent. He blogged about it on his site, and he flogged it on Reddit's r/fantasy forum, Facebook, and Twitter. His publicizing efforts had their intended effect. After three years of languishing, my book began to sell.
Behind the scenes, Mark offered me a ton of invaluable advice, from pointing out a dead link on my Goodreads page to explaining how I should interpret trends and sales. I like to think I've taken advantage of the opportunity he provided me, but I have no illusion that my success is owed entirely to the luck of my book finding its way into Mark's hands. This is both the most discouraging and, potentially, the most liberating aspect of publishing: Luck is the primary variable in the equation of success.
Are there specific book publishing and promotion resources you can recommend for self-published authors?
Probably the most productive thing a self-publisher can do is to find a community to contribute to and converse with. I learned this lesson late, but there's nothing more helpful and hopeful than sharing your work with an active and healthy community. I think it's best if that community isn't only composed of writers, but really, the composition of the community is not as important as its culture. I found a supportive community of readers, bloggers, and writers through Mark Lawrence's SPFBO and in r/fantasy. It took me a while to figure out how to interact with them; I am not the most socially adept person. But I discovered that a little politeness goes a long way.
How has working with a traditional publisher like Orbit helped expand the audience for your book?
Orbit has put a ton of effort into getting the book into the hands of authors, reviewers, and national publications, which has resulted in some lovely press for Senlin Ascends, including a write up in the Washington Post and a blurb in the Toronto Star. The fine folks at Orbit gave me the opportunity to speak to their sales force and to a room full of book buyers, which was an incredible experience. They produced a promotional video and organized many interviews with bloggers and venerable sites like Goodreads. They ran contests and placed some prominent ads, and they're working to organize panels and other in-person engagements later this year. Working with professionals has taught me that I am a very good writer and a terrible publicist. Having their help has been transformative.
The author will respond to questions left for him in the comment section below on February 15.
Senlin Ascends is available now. Be sure to follow Josiah Bancroft to see his activity on Goodreads.
Next: Five Tips for Getting the Most Out of Your Goodreads Giveaway
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Congrats on the book, the cover art is stellar!

And congratulations, Josiah! Happy Writing!

Also, as to book promotion and spreading oneself too thin. I think this goes for all authors indie/hybrid/trad. It's easy to feel like a ping pong ball between the various social media platforms--which is in ascendance, which is going out of vogue, is a blog too personal/not personal enough, et cetera. Anyhow, good advice to pick ONE and stick with it. Thanks again!

Next up, Goodreads giveaways.
All the best,
Ruth Zavitsanos
www.ciaosummer.com

The rules have changed, alas. It now costs more budget than I'm able to give it, as an Indie.

I agree about the Goodreads giveaways, I can't afford to run them anymore :(






I appreciate you sharing what worked and what didn't in your process. Warmly, Meryl




Steve - If I may be so bold, I would suggest the title of your book may be holding sales back. When I read, "The Perennial Wanderer: An American in the World" I was puzzled. I didn't know what the book was about, but even worse, words like Perennial and Wanderer sounded kind of boring, so I didn't even try to figure out what it meant.
I find it helps to pay attention to the titles of mega best sellers. For example, as a Stephen King fan, "Bag of Bones," "Gerald's Game" and "Misery." The titles don't tell you what to expect, but they are intriguing enough to pick up the book and read the flap.
One more thing: Did I understand you correctly that if someone has self-published a book on KDP, that Amazon can "sell" your book to other booksellers and reprint it in other languages? Please tell me I misunderstood you.
Michelle wrote: "Good interview and some good advice. Thanks for sharing your story with us.
I agree about the Goodreads giveaways, I can't afford to run them anymore :("


When you say, "make ..."
I spent 23 years as a professional copy editor and content editor and continued to do so after I sold my business. Now I am writing novels along with Amazon listings and website copy for clients. We are out there!

As an independent publisher too I think there is some confusion in your post. Likely you have Googled your name and seen the book available to purchase from online bookstores.
If the store is real, what they will do is order a book from Amazon and when it is printed and arrives, pass it on to the customer, who may not have an Amazon account; or else their store gets bulk post orders more cheaply. Amazon will give you the royalties. Amazon has probably printed out a batch of your book and left a few in the warehouse, so the royalty doesn't necessarily come at the same time as the sale.
Amazon isn't going to translate your book without your knowledge, because it isn't worth it to them. They'd need to sell a lot of copies to pay for that. You'll see stores around the world offering the book to customers in the local language, but the book will be printed in the original language.
If the store is not real this is a scam and you would be better advised not to try to buy a copy or pay to access their site to get a free download (what do you think scammers will do with your credit card details?) The scammer will not have your book. This is because you are not worth it to them, unlike a new Stephen King book. All they want is authors' credit cards.
So if you are not getting many royalties this means you are not selling many books. Reviews are another indicator. I recommend putting the book into KDP as I get more royalties from page reads than sales nowadays.
Hope this helps. I don't work for Amazon so feel free to query with them.

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አልላሁመ ሶሊ አላ ሙሐመድ
ወአላ አሊ ሙሐመድ ከማ
ሰለይታ አላ ኢብራሂም
ወአላ ኢብራሂም ኢነከ
ሀሚዱል መጂድ አልላሁመ ባረክ
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1. “እምነት ሂጃብ ስለለበሱ ሳይሆን ዋናው ከልብ መስተካል ነው......”
ከየት አመጣሽው? በእርግጥ የሰው ልጅ ሙሉ አይደለም ይሄ
ስህተትሽን ለመሸፈን የመጣ ተራ ምክንያት ነው:: በእውነት በልቡ
የተስተካከለ በድርጊቱ ይስተካከላል
2. አንዳንዴ ደግሞ “እኔ አላህና መልክተኛውን እወዳለሁ ለመውደዴ
የግድ ሂጃብ መልበስ አይጠበቀኝም....” ያንቺ ሃሳብ ነው?ወይስ
የቁራአንና የሐዲስ? አላህ እንዲህ ይላል
“በላቸው አላህን የምትወዱ ከሆነ ተከተሉኝ አላህ ይወዳችኋልና
ኃጢያቶቻችሁንም ለእናንተ ይምራልና አላህ መሀሪ እና አዛኝ
ነው::”(አል-ኢምራን 31) አዎ አላህና መልክተኛውን የምትወጂ ከሆነ
የግድ ሂጃብ መልበስ አለብሽ
3. ”ወላጆቼ ሂጃብ እንዲለብስ አይፈቅዱልኝም” ነብዩ “የፈጣሪን ትዕዛዝ
ለመጣስ ለፍጡር መታዘዝ የለም” ብለዋል፡፡ አሳምኛቸው አስረጃቸው
ካልሆነ ግን በዲን ጉዳይ ዝም ብለሽ አላህን መታዘዝ እንጂ ሌላን አካል
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4. “ሂጃብ ስለብስ ይጨንቀኛል እራሴን ያመኛል.....” ይህ ሸይጣን በአንቺ
ላይ የሚጫወትብሽ ጨዋታ ነው፡፡ እራስሽን አሳምነሽ ከእርሱ
ራቂ::እርሱ በርግጥም የኔ፤ያንቺ፤ የጌታሽም ግልፅ ጠላት ነው፡፡
5. “ መደነቅን ስለምወድ ቁንጅናዬና ደም ግባቴ አቋሜ እንዲታይልኝ
በሂጃብ ግን ይህን አላገኝም” እዚህ ጋር አንድ ጥያቄ አለኝ የዓለም
ህዝቦች በአጠቃላይ ቁንጅናሽን ቢያደንቁ አንቺን ከአንቺነትሽ ስንዝር
ከፍ ያደርጉሽ ይመስልሻል? መልስሽ አያደርጉኝም ነው ታደያ ይሄ ጉራ
ነው! አላህን ጉረኛን አይወድም መሸፈንሽ በአላህና በመልእክተኛው
ቆንጆ ሲያስብልሽ መገለጥሽ በሰይጣንና በጭፍሮቹ መደነቅን
ይቸርሻል፡፡ ምረጪ የትኛው ይሁንልሽ?
6. “ሂጃብ በመልበስ አምናሁ ግን እኔ ወጣት ነኝ” የትኛው ኢንሹራንስ ነው
ችግር የለም ለዚህ ጊዜሽ ያለሽ ለአቅመ ሄዋን አልደረስሽም? በቃ!
ሂጃብም ማድረግ ግዴታሽ ነው!
ጌታሽ እንዲህ ይላል ”......ወደመልካም ሥራ ተሽቀዳደሙ::” (አል-
በቀራ 148)
ያ ዓመተላህ አንቺ መልካም የአላህ ባሪያ ራስሽን አሳምኝው::አላህ
ቀጥተኛውን መንገድ ይምራሽ