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I had also hoped that Stannis showing up at the Wall would have been more impressive. I wanted them to end the last episode with him riding in and us not knowing who it was until this week, instead it seemed like an afterthought which was a shame, but otherwise it was a good finale, I thought.

I wish you hadn't told me about that article Christine - I have not read Books 4 or 5, so I don't know how the lady features in future - and that is such nonsense about "never supposed to be in this season" - well she was in the third book! How can they say she was never meant to be in the season when she was in the third book?! And also - psssh - because they put in the ww prince and the tree (which I never saw coming of course, having not read 4 or 5) and those weren't in Book 3, so psssh I say to that. Having the scene with the lady as the closing scene would have been the BIGGEST CLIFFHANGER the show has ever done, not to mention ramped up the ominousness (er, is that a word?) to sky high levels.

This is the article, if you desire reading it, but it does somewhat mention upcoming books so, I'll just give you the quote and spare you having to read spoilers for books 4 and 5.
From Alex Graves, the director of the finale- “It’s a great question, because it’s all I asked about last year when I was doing [the episode with Brotherhood Without Banners leader] Beric Dondarrion...But no, they didn’t do it. It was never on the docket to do this season — ever.”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/16/gam...
As I said, I thought the end of 3 was an epic moment in the books so I was thinking it had to be in there, and I have read the others so I know how she plays into them, and granted she doesn't exactly become a POV character or anything, but how do you just leave her out? I wonder that with a lot of the abandoned plot points, particularly given how no one truly knows the ending of the series yet. What if GRRM decides that she (or any other spot that hasn't been used) becomes a major factor in the end of the book series? How do they work around that? Will they change the ending? Unless GRRM signs off on it and has told them "no you don't need that" in which case, that's sad for us book readers who are invested in numerous plots that ultimately don't matter.
Ah, the complications of page-to-screen adaptation!


But if I had to say just ONE thing? Because it's realistic. Too many stories fall into the trap of following the same basic model, and fantasy is especially prone to it because it comes from the absolute classic tales of heroes and villains, good versus evil. Often in these stories - whether it be in movies, tv shows, or books - our heroes win the day and good triumphs and though the creators might tease us we KNOW they'd never really let the hero die and evil win. It's predictable. It's too easy to guess what is going to happen in these run-of-the-mill follow-the-pattern stories. Game of Thrones is different. Game of Thrones doesn't present an idealised fairytale - it holds up a mirror to the real world. In the real world good people die undeservedly. In the real world everyone has their own side of the story. In the real world everyone is so varied and has their own ideas about how things should be that sometimes you think it's a miracle we agree on anything. In the real world evil doesn't exist in the pure unadulterated form it comes in in fairytales, there are only human beings, flawed human beings each more or less carrying around their own unique package of problems, issues, and mix of inspirational and aberrant behaviour.
Game of Thrones is more believable than many stories because it is realistic. You believe these characters could exist, you see situations mirrored in real life. You care more about these people than some perfect all-conquering hero. And, like real life, Game of Thrones is difficult to predict what is going to happen. The story doesn't get boring or unoriginal. People are invested in the outcome because Game of Thrones is one of the very few stories where no one can guess the ending, and because it's realistic and unpredictable like real life, anything could happen. People are desperate to know what will happen, and their favourite characters are at genuine risk of not getting a happy ending, so they really do care about what happens.
The books are a bit better than the tv show - the writing is sublime, and the tv show, due to time, cuts out a few scenes here and there. But honestly I've never seen a tv show adaptation adhere so closely to the book before - they've done a really good job, really brought the books to life. I would have to say it is quite possibly the best tv show of all time. It's just astounding in its fidelity to the source material, the locations, sets, special effects, quality acting... Yes, I would highly recommend it. This show has given me chills watching it at times, and other times left me reeling in shock, or yelling, or shedding tears. It affects people.

I think the writes for the tv show do a good job, but I feel like they are straying farther and farther as the series progresses, which (having read them all) left me with multiple "huh?" moments this season. That said, I still love it for what it is and some of the changes for television I think are improvements and some I think are false steps, but other people disagree. When the source material is so rich and there is ultimately no "wrong" horse to back, I think it makes it infinitely more interesting. You're not investing in a character, you're investing in a world, and that for me makes each book or season more exciting than finding out what the ultimate end game will be- though I do have my dreams for what that will be too, which is also part of the fun.


I think the character may show up as a Season 5 Finale. I also think Season 5 will open with the death of a character who was supposed to die but got no air time this season.
Though I love Game of Thrones both books and TV version I do object to some of the violence, most especially the rape scenes which should never be used as 'fillers.' I also could barely stand the terrible torture of another character from the previous serious-it was simply too distasteful...yes horibble things happen but I don't always want to see it.
Apart fromt he violence aspect I agree with what Isis and Christine have expressed so eloquently.
@Steve--I actually prefer the books to the TV show as you gain a more indepth study of the characters motivations and also the unreliable narrators which keep the reader on the edge of their seat. That said, the books are not without fault as GRRM does sometimes meander too much and the storyline can sometimes become bogged down. If you do start to read the books hopefully the sixth book will be released by the time you finish A Dance with Dragon.
I also bought a de Quincy novel and will now order the rest on Book Depository(thanks for the tip, Sharon. They are much cheaper than the othe company).