Me, JA Rock, and the Culture Wars

Australian English is my default setting. 
It's kind of like UK English, but a bit more laid back. A bit rougher around the edges. A bit "she'll be right." 
My publishers so far have been in the US, and that's where I run into problems. And it's not always the obvious stuff that trips me up. The theaters and the colors and the centers. I've even been able to use the word "mom" without laughing recently, and believe me, that's progress. 
It's the trickier things. Did you know that in America, people don't go forwards or backwards or towards? No, they go forward, and backward and toward. Crazy stuff. 


Oh, American English, why are you so different? We both come from the same parent, right? We both come from UK English, except Australian English is like the kid who turned out okay, and American English is like the one who smokes cigarettes, drops out of school, and rides a motorbike. Which is not as cool as it thinks, given that it should have grown up by now. 
I am getting better at using American English. "Realize" will always be my bugbear though. Or, if you like, my drop bear
But I'm pleased to announce that JA Rock and I have finally managed to stop sniping at each other over our different types of English, and moved on to the bigger cultural misunderstandings. 
Here are some comments from our current WIP. All sparked by the moment where our Aussie character is having difficulty coming to terms with his move to America. Which gave JA and I the chance to recycle all of our old arguments about flat white coffees (they are a thing), driving on the wrong side of the road, and whether it's "math" or "maths". It's "maths", BTW. The line from the WIP is:  Seriously, how this country had won a world war was beyond Mark.
And here are the comments:
LH: It was because you turned up late both times and everyone else was already tired!
JA: We thought everyone else was just joking when they said they needed help. Like when you see your friend out in the ocean flailing and shouting, and you're just like, "Oh, Dave. What a card." And then you realize that he's caught in the undertow.
LH: And then it happened again and America was all like, "Jesus, Dave, stay out of the fucking water, all right?"
JA: "Seriously! Dave, we won't always be around to bail you out."
LH: "Dave? Where's Dave? Has anyone seen Dave? Oh...oh my god, he's in the ocean again!"
JA: "No, stay back, Don't go in after him. He's never gonna learn for himself if we keep rescuing his ass every time it starts drowning."
So there you have it, guys. A brief history of the major military conflicts of the twentieth century, as interpreted by us.
And possibly a very scary insight into how both our minds work.



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message 1: by A.B. (new)

A.B. Gayle I hear you, the forward/forwards thing gets me everytime. But I will rewrite a sentence rather than use the word "gotten" and I'm hesitant to write "is all" and "couple" needs an "of" after it....

In our Aussie anthology, I'm probably going overboard with things (and thongs)

Lol. No glossary at the back either. If it's in there it's meant to be there. Google it!


message 2: by Lisa (last edited Jul 24, 2013 01:19AM) (new)

Lisa Henry A.B. wrote: "I hear you, the forward/forwards thing gets me everytime. But I will rewrite a sentence rather than use the word "gotten" and I'm hesitant to write "is all" and "couple" needs an "of" after it....
..."


Every time I read "couple" without an "of" I'm sure there's a word missing! I'm coping with the big things now, it's the little ones that will always trip me up.

And I really looked hard for a pace to have my Aussie character say "Less yak and more yakka" but I just knew nobody outside Australia would get it :)


message 3: by Shadow Jubilee (new)

Shadow Jubilee LOL. So that is military history. Not as dry as I had expected.


message 4: by A.B. (last edited Jul 24, 2013 01:40AM) (new)

A.B. Gayle Lisa wrote: "And I really looked hard for a place to have my Aussie character say "Less yak and more yakka" but I just knew nobody outside Australia would get it :) "

Can I borrow it for my short in the anthology?


message 5: by Emma Sea (new)

Emma Sea A.B. wrote: "I hear you, the forward/forwards thing gets me everytime. But I will rewrite a sentence rather than use the word "gotten" "

But 'gotten' is English and venerable.


message 6: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry A.B. wrote: "Lisa wrote: "And I really looked hard for a place to have my Aussie character say "Less yak and more yakka" but I just knew nobody outside Australia would get it :) "

Can I borrow it for my short ..."


Oh hell yes!


message 7: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry The UHQ Nasanta wrote: "LOL. So that is military history. Not as dry as I had expected."

Yes, it's much more exciting than people think. :)


message 8: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry Emma wrote: "A.B. wrote: "I hear you, the forward/forwards thing gets me everytime. But I will rewrite a sentence rather than use the word "gotten" "

But 'gotten' is English and venerable."


I always panic with "gotten". I can never remember if I'm supposed to use it or not, until an editor flags it.


message 9: by A.B. (new)

A.B. Gayle Emma wrote: "A.B. wrote: "I hear you, the forward/forwards thing gets me everytime. But I will rewrite a sentence rather than use the word "gotten" "

But 'gotten' is English and venerable."

I can see it's useage in phrases like: "ill-gotten wealth" but it just goes to show how stuck in the past Americans are. A bit like French Canadians and New Zealanders! :P


message 10: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry A.B. wrote: "Emma wrote: "A.B. wrote: "I hear you, the forward/forwards thing gets me everytime. But I will rewrite a sentence rather than use the word "gotten" "

But 'gotten' is English and venerable."
I can ..."


Uh oh! It's on now!


message 11: by A.B. (last edited Jul 24, 2013 02:21AM) (new)

A.B. Gayle Lol.Just checking to see if Emma was still awake. But it's probably past her bedtime now.


message 12: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry A.B. wrote: "Lol.Just checking to see if Emma was still awake. But it's probably past her bedtime now."

They go to bed early in NZ.
Dammit now I'm doing it!


message 13: by Julio (new)

Julio Genao *settles in to watch with ginormous bowl of popcorn he's only just now gotten*


message 14: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry Julio-Alexi wrote: "*settles in to watch with ginormous bowl of popcorn he's only just now gotten*"

Lol!


message 15: by A.B. (new)

A.B. Gayle "Moummy, when did the first Culture Wars start?"
"Well, Johnny, they're not quite sure, but many years ago, these writers started making some very rude comments in a blog and things kind of escalated from there!"


message 16: by A.B. (new)

A.B. Gayle Lisa wrote: "Julio-Alexi wrote: "*settles in to watch with ginormous bowl of popcorn he's only just now gotten*"

Lol!"

And YJulio-Alexi. You can't talk.... Don't you have the letter "Y" on your keyboard?


message 17: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry A.B. wrote: ""Moummy, when did the first Culture Wars start?"
"Well, Johnny, they're not quite sure, but many years ago, these writers started making some very rude comments in a blog and things kind of escalat..."


Apocalyptic dystopia, here we come!


message 18: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry Lisa wrote: "A.B. wrote: ""Moummy, when did the first Culture Wars start?"
"Well, Johnny, they're not quite sure, but many years ago, these writers started making some very rude comments in a blog and things ki..."


First line:

New Zealand was the first to fall.


message 19: by A.B. (new)

A.B. Gayle Nah, all wasted. Emma's probably asleep. After all, she does have to get up early to milk the sheep.


message 20: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry A.B. wrote: "Nah, all wasted. Emma's probably asleep. After all, she does have to get up early to milk the sheep."

And if that's all the sheep have to worry about...no, no I promised I wouldn't go there.


message 21: by A.B. (new)

A.B. Gayle Lol. Note, I didn't make that comment and I think they're pretty safe with Emma.


message 22: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry A.B. wrote: "Lol. Note, I didn't make that comment and I think they're pretty safe with Emma."

A part of me feels guilty for stooping to such an old, tired joke. But another part of me thinks, "Fuck it, it's a classic."


message 23: by Julio (new)

Julio Genao A.B. wrote: "And YJulio-Alexi. You can't talk.... Don't you have the letter "Y" on your ke..."

*drops monocle*

I beg jour pardon?


message 24: by Emma Sea (last edited Jul 24, 2013 12:26PM) (new)

Emma Sea Wow, I'm reading an innocent story about cute boys discovering the joys of rimmings and bondage, all unknowing that my culture's being trashtalked!

For the record, the sheep are safe. Repeat: the sheep are safe. Other places prosecute people for having sex with horses, here it is far smaller domesticated animals that have to worry.


message 25: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry Emma wrote: "Wow, I'm reading an innocent story about cute boys discovering the joys of rimmings and bondage, all unknowing that my culture's being trashtalked!

For the record, the sheep are safe. Repeat: the ..."


Oh my. That's um...that's a cat that should have run away.


message 26: by Emma Sea (new)

Emma Sea 10 times in 6 months: the cat had Stockholm Syndrome.


message 27: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry Emma wrote: "10 times in 6 months: the cat had Stockholm Syndrome."

Hell yes it did. Or no legs.


message 28: by Lori (last edited Jul 24, 2013 01:55PM) (new)

Lori Toland This thread makes me sad. I need cuddles!


message 29: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry Lori wrote: "This thread makes me sad. I need cuddles!"

I know, right? Although the thing I'm focussing on is why the hell would you do that in broad daylight in front of the neighbours?


message 30: by Lori (new)

Lori Toland 10 times in 6 months? I'm guessing the first time in broad daylight was when he was called in. If not, what is wrong with the neighbors?


message 31: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Henry Lori wrote: "10 times in 6 months? I'm guessing the first time in broad daylight was when he was called in. If not, what is wrong with the neighbors?"

Exactly! But yeah, I think that's something you'd call the police about the second you saw it. But something tells me that the cat thing is the least of this guy's worries. He must have some other serious issues going on if doing something like that ever seems like a normal idea.


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