Predictability in storytelling

I don't consider myself to be any smarter than anyone else. If you listen to my 5th grade test scores I have above average intelligence, but that was 5th grade and if you ask me nowadays I'd say I'm pretty much just an idiot.

Which is why I can't figure out why it's so easy to predict the supposed plot twists of so many stories. I'm not talking just books. I'm talking all storytelling-- tv shows, movies, books, manga, anime, you name it. If it's fiction and someone's starting to tell a story, all too often I can figure out where it's going from the first poorly hidden clues.

It's why I didn't like Sherlock Holmes as much as other people do, because in the first half of the anthology I read, I either figured out what the big reveal was in the stories from initial clues, or there was no way TO figure it out because the key information wasn't given to the readers at all until Holmes explained he'd noticed it ages ago. But that was partially due to the times the stories were written and they got more complicated as time went-- about the time I stopped reading. I wouldn't ever claim to be smarter than the bad ass fictional hero Sherlock Holmes, because I'm definitely not, but in the end I still stopped reading the stories because I lost interest.

I've had the same thing happen with a number of tv shows. I noticed the subtle things they showed and extrapolated what the end game was going to be. Then in those particular shows, I stopped paying as close attention or they started making things less obvious, I'm not sure which.

It's really not hard to spot. In so many stories, details are not included except when they're important. So if you get a tidbit of information that seems out of place and random, chances are that's going to be part of the big reveal. But you're not supposed to know that ahead of time because I guess you're supposed to ignore the information they're giving you until they present it to you again at the end, this time with flashing neon signs and a pat on their back for a job well done.

Recently I watched a Hollywood movie and as happens all too often I had a running commentary in my mind of what everything was leading to while I watched it. "This guy will be the bad guy" because the music was dramatic and they zoomed in on his face. "He's going to force a nice guy to do something bad" because he smiled tightly as he offered help. "This random thing is going to be what saves the good guy at the end when something terrible happens in the process of redeeming himself for his flaws" because they showed something 'miraculous' happening, and other clues along the way, including conversations about what was wrong with the good guy.

In so much storytelling, if people stand around outright listing what's wrong with the hero you know it's going to be directly (and often obviously) addressed by the end to "redeem" him, and remove from him anything that could be the quality of a "bad guy." If something random and miraculous happens, you know it's going to come back to the advantage of the good guy. The bad guy doesn't even have to project what he's planning (although oftentimes he does, especially in superhero stories) because so often it's so completely straightforward it's a wonder how he ever got to be as powerful as he did.

How hard is it really to analyze a bad guy? If you have all the information at your fingertips, why would you not project his future moves and be there to stop it before it happens? It doesn't take a psychic detective to figure out if an unstable guy holds a grudge that he'll get revenge for it.

Reading a manga series today, there were other so-typical-it's-becoming-boring clues. The hero randomly mentions some mysterious savior from his childhood, who appeared briefly to put him back on the right path and has been missing since. Not long afterward, the Big Bad is shown cloaked in shadows. Gee, I wonder if it will turn out to be that past savior? Oh, look. It did. Cue the emotional turmoil within the hero to decide whether he can hurt his childhood savior in the name of his current altruistic goals. Yep. He can. But because of this storytelling style, no one is REALLY hurt in the end. The savior is vanquished as the Bad Guy and gets to stick around redeeming himself back to the good guy of the hero's memories.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

All these dramatic moments that are there to test the resolve of the hero are only superficial. They don't have lasting consequences. They appear and are resolved as casually and insipidly as someone watching the weather and planning for it to rain, only to learn they can take off their rain jacket after all.

Sometimes, it bothers me so much.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not writing this blog as a writer. I'm not saying AND AS YOU SEE, ANYTHING I WRITE IS ABOVE THIS BY FAR! because I highly doubt that's the case. I'm quite certain that if you were to analyze things I've written, I've probably done similar things. But I've also never written anything for the purpose of publication, and had it go through all levels of analysis that SHOULD be happening along the way including multiple editors and proofreaders and many eyes looking over the same work to ensure its quality.

And even if I wrote something that did go through all those checks and balances and a piece or two slipped through that fell into these lines, that's human fallibility.

Instead, I'm saying it as a reader and consumer. And as a reader/consumer, I'm not saying I'M SMARTER THAN ALL THESE CREATORS because that, too, would be completely false. That, in fact, is exactly the issue I have with all this.

I completely understand how insidious it can be to let simplified plot mechanics slip through into a story. I get how you can write something without thinking it through at the time because you just need to get past this damn scene that's been holding you up forever. I get being lazy on some parts of an overall story because you're focused on other, more impactful pieces.

I totally get that so even as a reader, I don't mind it when I see predictability showing up on the side lines. It's probably quite difficult to make NOTHING predictable in any storytelling, particularly since there is such a long history of people producing different facets of the same human stories over and over.

But what I don't understand is when that's the main focus. When the main plot is flat and straight as a Midwest highway, and when no attempts seem to be made to come up with red herrings along the way. It's not even that difficult. You could write the same archetypal characters with the same downtrodden-hero-saves-the-day-and-is-loved-in-the-end as anyone else, but introducing one small twist (the person introduced as the villain turns out to be a good guy) could go a long way in redeeming an otherwise copy/paste piece of work.

And what I don't understand is when they do that in movies, because those are extremely expensive to make. Are they just banking on the weight of the names of the actors or producers or characters to push through a large initial run, and to hell with the repeat traffic that could have gained more traction with an interesting story line?

In these predictable story lines, do the creators honestly believe that no one will see what's coming a mile away or do they just not care? Are they relying that strongly on the predictability of human emotions compensating for any gap in logic or intrigue?

I just don't understand what the goal is. And as a consumer, sometimes it simply perplexes me, sometimes it annoys me, but mostly is exasperates me and makes me lose my interest quickly.

Because the thing is, I'm not particularly intelligent. I'm not any smarter or quicker in thought than the average creator or reader out there. So what I don't understand is how so many things are produced that are obvious from the start even to someone as average as me.
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Published on May 26, 2013 13:04
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message 1: by LenaLena (new)

LenaLena Amen, sister.


message 2: by [deleted user] (new)

IMO

1. You've read too much and you are someone who looks for and is aware of patterns. And once a pattern is spotted, it can't be unspotted. I know this from doing it myself.

2. Most consumers of stories LIKE predictable. If they can't see where the storyteller is taking them they are uncomfortable with the journey. It's not like we don't all know what happens in a fairytale, but still they get told and retold and listeners still think "crap no. Don't do it!" when the stupid bride opens the door to Bluebeard's chamber.

3. Surprise comes across like "wow, the author totally made shit up out of nowhere at the end. What a bunch of lazy crap." Unless there are clues. If there are clues, see #1 above.

4. Me being devil's advocate because I think way too much stuff is cookbook and copycat, but I know I'm not the target market for people who produce stories for a living.


message 3: by Ais (new)

Ais weasel-- "Twist" stories are the worst. Just telling you the story has a twist ending is the biggest spoiler of all if you've got a brain like that.

lol it's true! Whenever I see someone advertising that I just spend even more time identifying what that twist might be...

I suppose weirdly given the fact I wrote that post, I'm one of the people who really don't like spoilers. I avoid them as much as possible. But I think that's because it's already hard enough finding things that can keep me guessing as I'm reading/watching, so when I ALSO know for a fact something is coming it ruins what little amount of mystery might be left. If I'm reading something that's super predictable, I still can have it in the back of my mind that, "Ohh, maybe this is all a feint to lull me into a sense of complacency and something big will happen that will turn my understanding upside down on this!" but if I know that the ending or a big part of the story is exactly as I suspected it would be, it's like, great, now why bother reading/watching?

Kate -- 2. Most consumers of stories LIKE predictable

I actually thought about that after I posted-- the idea of whether I'm just abnormal for not looking for predictability and maybe that's one of my biggest issues. I guess for those same reasons, I actually don't want to know if a story IS happily ever after in the ending and don't necessarily require it be so. I prefer things that are appropriate for whatever subject matter or course of the plot, even if that might deplete my Kleenex and toilet paper quota in my house from large amounts of ugly crying.

3. Surprise comes across like "wow, the author totally made shit up out of nowhere at the end. What a bunch of lazy crap."

This is also true... that's not any more satisfying than predictability or might even be less so because at least with predictability usually there are stepping points that get to there, so it all builds on each other to make sense. Off the wall things at the end to add a 'twist' sometimes just means that rather it going from "the hero has a tragic past he's struggling with including having been a street orphan" to "the hero solves world hunger because he's that bad ass", it goes "hero + tragedy + street orphan" to "the hero is an alien and also an anthropomorphic hippo is the king and because of these reasons, an advanced AI system narrowly keeps an asteroid from hitting Earth!"


message 4: by Jenn (last edited May 26, 2013 03:25PM) (new)

Jenn @Daniel - I HATE it when people are like ohhh twist ending. Shut up. Now I knowww.

@Kate - #1 in your list is really bad for me. I always figure shit out bc my brain seems to always actively look for it. And I read nothing but mysteries growing up till adulthood for years.

This is making me try and remember movies/books that surprised me.


message 5: by Jenn (new)

Jenn I don't like spoilers either, Ais. I really try and avoid them unless I'm reading straight up romance and one of the MCs dies. Then id just rather know.


message 6: by Ais (last edited May 26, 2013 03:47PM) (new)

Ais Jenn wrote: "This is making me try and remember movies/books that surprised me. "

Did you find that the mysteries were surprising you or were they predictable, too? I don't read mysteries very often, not because I'm uninterested in the idea of a mystery, but maybe because the one or two I have read didn't impress me that much. But I also read those a long time ago and couldn't tell you what they books were so I have no idea if I just happened to find some less-than-stellar mysteries.

I can't remember offhand stories that left me surprised but now I'm wondering about that too. I can think of plenty examples where I WASN'T surprised... But I suppose listing books/movies that surprised me would be the same as saying "this has a twist ending!" which gets back to Daniel's point lol

Romance + dying MC-- weirdly, I still wouldn't want to know that. I guess because in life death can be unexpected and heartrending, so if that were the purpose of the story, I would like to be smacked in the face with that as much as the character is, even if it's really difficult to read. But if it's done well, it can really speak well to the plot or be integral to character growth. But if I see warnings ahead of time on a story like "character death" (happened in fanfics a lot) then I just won't read it because I anticipate being sad and I don't want to put myself through it. But then I might miss out on a story that might be awesome, if sad.

lol I might just be a masochist when it comes to stories, though...

Although in thinking about this, I rarely read war stories because I anticipate it being really sad and heavy and traumatic, so I suppose I've kind of banned that whole genre in my mind knowing how I might get emotionally involved. Kind of weird how the mind works.


message 7: by [deleted user] (new)

Ais wrote: "it goes "hero + tragedy + street orphan" to "the hero is an alien and also an anthropomorphic hippo is the king and because of these reasons, an advanced AI system narrowly keeps an asteroid from hitting Earth!"

Good thing it was water I snorted all over the screen, there.


message 8: by Ais (last edited May 26, 2013 04:25PM) (new)

Ais lol you're welcome for the aptly timed silliness ;P


message 9: by Jenn (new)

Jenn I think a lot of the mysteries weren't and some probably were, but not in the way of I'd never have saw that coming. More so that okay, the author was able to present numerous viable options, and they didn't seem like throwaways. The author gave them nuances, motives, etc. It wasn't that I never considered this person(s), but the story took so many turns that it could have been any of them. So, I guess in that way, yeah, some probably were suprising or at least satisfactory.

There have been a few movies that surprised me, but I don't even know if I can name them behind a spoiler tag. :/

I don't want to know about a character death in a nonromance, but I just don't really want to get all invested in something and then bam have that happen in a love story. I might still read it, but *shrugs*. I go in phases though. Sometimes I can blast Tori Amos or whatever and read/watch really depressing shit, and then other times I need to step away from all of that completely.


message 10: by Ais (new)

Ais Character death does seem even more depressing in romance after all of the time spent getting to the point where two people are in love.


message 11: by Sasha (new)

Sasha Hello! I just want to add my two cents. :)

The thing is, there are only seven basic plots for any tv series/book/film... etc. each varies of course, but after a while when you have read/watched many things it gets easier to identify what's going to happen.

i think that's why the book you read say ten years ago, you may find lacking if you read it again.


message 12: by Ais (new)

Ais Hi Sasha :)

I googled 'seven basic plots' out of curiosity and saw the tv tropes page talking about it. That's interesting... and does make sense. (Thanks for mentioning it!)

Although the funny thing is, there are series I adore that still follow one of the seven basic plots, but the journey along the way is varied/interesting enough for me that I don't care. For instance, One Piece is my favorite anime/manga, and it's pretty much the exact definition of The Quest. But because the characters and interactions are so great and the world it's set in is so interesting, and there's plenty of humor and tragedy along the way, I wouldn't compare it as a series to others with the same basic plot. (I tried to think of a good example but am drawing a blank right now -_-)

Seeing those basic plots put into words and thinking about it further, I wonder if my wish is that people would more often combine a few of the plots or at least have one character on one plot and another on a different one? I'm not sure. I think you could probably still stick to one of the basic plots but if the storytelling along the way is intriguing enough, it doesn't matter if the plot itself could be pared down to something super simplistic.

Then again, because I feel that way, maybe that just explains why I care more about character development/growth/emotional connection than plot, because that way no matter how simple the plot is, at least I can find interest in trying to figure out the smaller mysteries of a character's motivations or meaning along the way.

Hmm... You have me analyzing this now :)


message 13: by Sasha (new)

Sasha Ais wrote: "Hi Sasha :)

I googled 'seven basic plots' out of curiosity and saw the tv tropes page talking about it. That's interesting... and does make sense. (Thanks for mentioning it!)

Although the funny ..."


Awfully late reply, I blame my finales. ^^

You are welcome.

I think one character may have a different plot or goal than the other because of real life diversity and that even if the goal was the same the means to get to it don't have to be?

While I love character development and their connections to other, it still feels that plot plays major role. If the plot didn't hold my attention I probably won't read it.


message 14: by Ais (new)

Ais Yeah I do think everything needs to work together to make a truly amazing story. I love well-thought out plots that keep me guessing until the end.


message 15: by Ais (new)

Ais Nice! I liked it :) You're always so helpful with appropriate quotes


message 16: by Ais (new)

Ais I don't believe it! I'm going to imagine you as a quote librarian.


message 17: by Ornella (new)

Ornella That's precisely the reason why I like reading well done psychological thrillers. The MC at times doesn't even know what's going on either. Some people don't like being left out in the dark like that for a whole book, but I find it exhilarating not knowing what the hell is going on LOL. Good example of this one is the Mara Dyer series (YA).


message 18: by Ais (new)

Ais I'll look up the Mara Dyer series :) I haven't heard of it yet. lol you make a good point, if even the MC doesn't know what's happening it could be fun for the reader too :)

PS: I just finished the series but you should try the Raised by Wolves series by W. A. Hoffman. I didn't feel it was predictable because if I guessed what might happen, in some cases I was wrong, and even the cases where I was right, the path it took along the way wasn't necessarily what I expected.


message 19: by Ornella (new)

Ornella Ais wrote: "I'll look up the Mara Dyer series :) I haven't heard of it yet. lol you make a good point, if even the MC doesn't know what's happening it could be fun for the reader too :)

PS: I just finished th..."


I'll check it out :)


message 20: by Ais (new)

Ais It has a rather particular style but I really enjoyed it. If you don't, no worries. But I hope you do because if you do I think you might also appreciate the nuanced storytelling like I did :)


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