Reviews, Are They Useful?

I apologize for not having a proper ‘Wednesday Brief’ to post, but life – better known as ‘lil q, Easter and a bit of a cold – got in the way and sapped my creativity.  I’ll do my best to resume next week and there after.  But since this is a group I belong to, I wanted to be able to promote those good souls who managed to keep with it.  Those flashers are listed as usual, at the end of this post.


In addition to the Wednesday Briefs, I belong to a few author groups. One of the themes lately has been reviews. Good, bad, or just maybe not really a review at all. Different people have different positions on reviews, but I’ll admit that I read and react to reviews.  I like good ones and I don’t like bad ones.  That said, well written critical reviews do have some benefit. The trick, for me, is to look past the disappointment to find those benefits.


I’ve also noticed a pattern. On open post sites – those where authors post stories that can be read for free – the reviews tend to be almost uniformly positive.  Negative ones can result in the reviewer being torched a bit. If you think about it, this would make sense. The authors are providing a free service and the readers would want that service to continue. The downside is it can lead to the ‘naked emperor’ syndrome – where the author believes all the ‘good press’ and doesn’t think there are any areas they can improve on.


On sites like Amazon or Goodreads, there is a much broader spectrum of reviews/ratings/comments, from gushingly good to attackingly awful.  That is to be expected and also makes sense. You can’t please everyone. But it is in that diversity that my questions arise. How useful are reviews to a reader in choosing to buy a book?  I’d like to see if I can’t generate a bit of feed back from readers (authors/readers included) on the usefulness of reviews and ratings so I’ll do a bit of an impromptu contest outlined below.


For me, as an author, I want as high a rating as I can get – it’s a confidence [dare I say ego] boost to be sure.  And we all “know” that higher is better – right?  Right?  Maybe, maybe not.


Do textless ratings sway you? Do snarky reviews from people you don’t know scare you off? Do gushing reviews from people whose taste in books you don’t know make you want to buy the book?


I’m a ‘facts’ person. I love to look at things and see if I can’t find a connection.  It’s part of being a lawyer/prosecutor I suppose, but I’ve always been this way. I’ll track things, kick the tires, look under the hood – you get the idea.  So let me give some anecdotes to grease the wheels.


One book I was interested in had 8(eight) 5 star reviews a month before the book came out. Really?? One was from the author, another from the publisher, and 5 others from what would appear to be family and friends who didn’t offer so much as a word of explanation. (One had a detailed review) At least two of these ‘ratings’ were from people whose only rating was this book. Hmm.  Last I checked – and it’s been a while – this book only had 14 ratings – of which 7 were what I’d call too biased to be of any use.  Were those ratings of any use to anyone? Was anyone swayed by the books ‘high’ rating and never looked any closer?


Okay, so ‘naked’ ratings aren’t that helpful, but what about gushing reviews from people you don’t know? I understand that in the Amazon age, the ‘citizen reviewer’ is supposed to be more reliable as these are people ‘just like you or me.’ But fake, for purchase reviews aside, is that really true?  Does Joe in Kansas really care what Sara in Rhode Island thinks when they’ve never met?  I suppose here, the value is more long term.  Readers can find reviewers who’ve read books the reader has, and then they look for patterns. I liked book “A” so did this reviewer, I thought book “B” sucked so did they. Then you can see what else this reviewer likes and used that to weigh buying it or not. At least that’s how I am. But in general, do you find reviews from people you don’t know useful? Or do you look at them all with a suspect eye – i.e. these are either written by the author using a different account, or they are close friends and family?


Another question is ‘rating inflation.’  One thing I’ve noticed – and I admit to being guilty of it myself – is that many authors do not give low ratings – ever.  Makes sense because what the rater giveth, the receiver can giveth as well.  Given how simple it is to open a ‘reader’ account, an author who received a low rating could easily rate the reviewing author equally low or lower (if possible). Never mind their friends and supporters. For me, if I can’t say something good or in all honesty give a book a decent rating, I don’t rate/review it. This leads to a very high average for the books I’ve rated.  Being totally honest, I doubt there are too many 5 star books out there. a 3 or 4 should indicate the book is worth buying. But when authors can ‘collect’ seven 5 star ratings before their book has been finished, the clear pattern is for friends and family to dap the book up. Using me as an example, I’ve only rated 10 books and my average rating is 4.9. how useful is that? Have I never read a bad book? Of course I have, but if you didn’t know me and didn’t know I only rate books I like, would my rating – even with a written review- be of any value to you?


Contrast this with a 3 star rating I received from someone this week. At first blush, he probably didn’t like it much, right? But his average rating is 2.71. meaning out of the 1600 plus books he’s read and rated, mine is better than the average book.  Is this 3 star rating from him better than a 5 from me?  The real inches vs. web inflation debate. [some of you will get that reference. :-P ] So do you focus on absolute numbers or do you take them in context?


Along the lines of numbers to look at – I read a blog post that said the rating given wasn’t as important as the fact that someone gave you a review/rating because it shows they read it.  Good point. Here’s a tale of two books I read recently. Both were okay in my mind. One has a Goodreads rating of 3.79 from 600+ ratings. Of those 600+ ratings more than 125 were 5 stars.  The other book has a rating of 4.27, but from less than 90 reviews.  Which is better? At least 125 people liked the first book well enough to rate it a 5, which is more than all the people who thought enough to leave any rating for the second.  So, again, what matters more? A high absolute rating or a lower rating but a higher absolute number of positive reviews?


Last there are reviews from ‘review sites.’ In theory, these are people who have an interest in being fair and even handed. Yet here too, opinion vary – wildly. Much like the ‘citizen reviewers’, these reviewers each have their own likes and dislikes that earn them a following. So are these sites/reviews the holy grail of ratings for you? Or do you just read them for entertainment and sometimes use them to start your ‘research?”


So, what do readers think?  {And authors, take off your author hats if you can and think like a reader} Do you find reviews helpful? What about average ratings? Overall number of positive reviews? Do you look for people whose opinions you trust and rely on those? Or is there something else you find helpful in reviews?


To give you all a bit more incentive to comment, I’ll give away a copy of either The Last Grand Master or (Un)Masked to one person who comments, drawn at random. To enter, you need to leave a comment telling me whether or not you find reviews, rating, comments, whatever, helpful.  If you don’t read the reviews but focus on the synopsis, or whatever, that’s fine too, so long as you leave it in the comment section.  Remember to leave your email address so I can contact you if you win. I’ll pick the winner on Monday April 8th at 8 pm, Washington, DC time.


Now, don’t forget to check out the briefs of these authors who are giving it away for free:
Lily Sawyer

Cia Nordwell


MA Church


Julie Lynn Hayes


Nephylim



Legalese. Each person who comments will be assigned a number based on when the comment. So first person is “1″ next person is “2″, etc.  I’ll use Randomizer.org to pick a winner. I’ll email you if you win and you’ll need to email back and let me know which book if any you want. If you don’t want to be included in the give away, you can say so in your post or let me know when I contact you. If you decline the book, I’ll pick another winner.

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message 1: by Enny (new)

Enny The only ratings I'm interested in are those of my friends here at GR - people whom I trust and whose taste I know even when theirs don't always coincide with mine. It doesn't matter if they also posted a review, although it is always great to know why they liked or disliked a book. All the other ratings, especially those on Amazon, are best ignored in my experience since you never know if the reviewer isn't a friend of the author or if the author posted it under a separate account.

The number of reviews doesn't matter either. I've read fantastic books which had only 5 positive reviews and some I disliked even though hundreds of people thought they were wonderful. Recently a friend of mine here recommended a book written by an author I had never heard of so I bought it, read it, loved it and consequently bought all the others by this author at Amazon.


message 2: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Enny,

Thanks for responding. I'll figure out how to add you the contest since I hadn't thought through that folks my comment here LOL. Your comment about friends only is something I weigh heavily. Certain people who I've gotten to know and respect and like can influence me, especially those who read a lot. (like you). That to me is the usefulness of Goodreads. Not the absolute number of reviews or people who review, but the ability to 'meet' people and to cultivate a group of 'go to' people whose opinions you can trust and ask for more input if you're still on the fence.

Thanks for reading and for the feed back. [I'm marking you as #14 for purposes of the drawing. :) ]

Andy


message 3: by Enny (new)

Enny No need to enter me in the contest. I've read (Un)Masked which turned out to be one of my favorites from 2012 and therefor bought The Last Grand Master even though I haven't had time to read it yet but I definitely will.


message 4: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Well I'll tell you what, if you win, I'll give you a copy of the soon to be released next book -Purpose - which is due out in late May or early June. I wasn't planning to use it for a give away, BUT since you already own my other two books, I'd be happy to send you that one. :-)


Mandy*reads obsessively* Like Enny ( hi Enny:) I trust my friends reviews here on GR, I know their likes and dislikes, at least to a certain extent and find it helpful in deciding if I want to give a book I'm unsure of a try.
I do like reviews, it gives me an insight to what they liked/disliked about it, doesn't mean I'll agree, but I have a few no-goes and blurbs/tags are very rarely helpful in weeding those out, so I rely on reviews or shelves to help me there.
I don't pay much attention to purely star ratings, not because I don't trust them ( although there are sock puppets,but they are pretty easy to spot) but because they just don't help me know if I will enjoy the story.
I avoid amazon reviews completely.
I also have GR friends recommend or dissuade me from books because they know my likes and dislikes and I find that also very helpful.
But all that aside, if I read a blurb and an excerpt and it just grabs me, I'll go for it even with no reviews or ratings to go on, I have discovered a few gems that way.


message 6: by Kaje (last edited Apr 04, 2013 11:25AM) (new)

Kaje Harper Me three for the friends' reviews - I have certain people whose tastes tend to mirror mine. If one of them pans a book, with reasons that resonate with me, that drops that book very low on my list. If more than one does, it tends to come off. (So many books, so little time.) If two or more like it a lot, it goes up. I do look at overall rating a bit, and if there are a bunch of low ratings I try to read a few of those reviews, to get a feel for what bothers people. It may be something I have no problem at all with (like cheating) or something that irks me (like head-hopping.) I pretty much only read reviews here on GR, or on a a few blogs, where I know the reviewers.

As far as author reviews of other writers' books, seeing only high ratings doesn't mean they give all books 4s and 5s. It may mean that, like me, they've moved to only posting reviews for books they like. When I don't like a book much, I've come to feel like saying so and why is a bit of hubris. It feels like I'm saying, "I could have written this book better." So most of my reviews now are high scores, but books I liked less or had an issue with just go onto my read shelf unrated. (So do some books I love and didn't review for various other reasons, so if you look at my "read" and find no rating that's not an indicator that it's not good. I have unrated Josh Lanyon books on there, and the man is a great writer.)

I do like seeing reviews, they are far more helpful than blurbs. But there are selective ways to use them that improve the value far above a simple 3.86 average.


message 7: by Julio (new)

Julio Genao I find different friends valuable in selecting different types of books for different moods.

Very few of the books I love are the objects of universal acclaim.


message 8: by Elizabetta (new)

Elizabetta I totally agree with Joolz. My reading moods swing all over the place. I like a smorgasbord of reading possibilities and look to different friends for recommendations depending on the mood.

I also look carefully at those author reviews that come up from authors whose work I respect. It must be tricky for them putting up a review for a colleague but it's good to see their perspective.

In the end, it's all so subjective and reviews are another way to socialize with people I've met in GR. I will so often try out a book no matter what the review trend says.


message 9: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Mandy*reads obsessively* wrote: "Like Enny ( hi Enny:) I trust my friends reviews here on GR, I know their likes and dislikes, at least to a certain extent and find it helpful in deciding if I want to give a book I'm unsure of a t..."

Wow, Sorry Mandy, I missed all of these after Enny's -You're number 15 btw.

It seems to be a common theme - I have friends whose reviews I follow who can and will influence me sometimes. That's how it is for me too.

Thanks so much for the feed back. I'll leave a general comment after I finish responding to all the comments.

AQG


Mandy*reads obsessively* Andrew wrote: "Mandy*reads obsessively* wrote: "Like Enny ( hi Enny:) I trust my friends reviews here on GR, I know their likes and dislikes, at least to a certain extent and find it helpful in deciding if I wan..."

GR loves to mess with notifications, that's how they keep me on my toes. :)


message 11: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Kaje wrote: "Me three for the friends' reviews - I have certain people whose tastes tend to mirror mine. If one of them pans a book, with reasons that resonate with me, that drops that book very low on my list..."

Kaje - first thanks so much for feed back - Like I said to Mandy - I missed these two back on the 4th so I'm sorry I didn't answer sooner - you're 16 BTW.

One thing that set GR's apart is the 'shelves' concept. It's a good idea - one I barely use, but should use more. I like your idea that I'll shelve it - DNF or something like that. That way you send a message to people who follow you - 'tried, but it wasn't for me' then they can ask for you're feed back if they want.

Thanks again for answering and sorry it took so long to get back.

AQG


message 12: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon joolz wrote: "I find different friends valuable in selecting different types of books for different moods.

Very few of the books I love are the objects of universal acclaim."


Joolz - thanks for stopping by - You're 20 [for the give away - ignore this, I did it b/c it helps me keep count shifting between here and my website.]

Another interesting take. I got a review from some one this week who said (and I'm para phrasing) "I love your writing, but am not a fan of High Fantasy, but I tried it anyway. Despite liking your writing still, I still don't like HF and DNF' so in that, if I'm looking for Fantasy suggestions, she is definitely not the friend to consult. So what you said makes total sense.

Thanks again.

AQG


message 13: by Kaje (new)

Kaje Harper You know, that's part of the good stuff on GR - knowing about the reviewers a bit, from the comments and so on. There are a couple whose tastes I agree with, except for particular quirks (like hating pet names for example) that I don't share. So if that's in their reviews, I know to discount it. That's part of this being a community.


message 14: by Idamus (new)

Idamus If I like the blurp, I usually check my friends here on Goodreads to see if they have anything to say about it, if they don't I might check other reviews
I occationally forget to check and more often than not that backfires and I get a piece of c..p
As for me, I rate with stars and sometimes leave a note for myself to remember WHY I loved/hated the book, but I really don't care if this help others or not (sorry guys)


message 15: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Kaje wrote: "You know, that's part of the good stuff on GR - knowing about the reviewers a bit, from the comments and so on. There are a couple whose tastes I agree with, except for particular quirks (like hat..."

The idea of a community is valid. Sadly, like real life, some in the community give the greater whole a bad name. I've met some very nice, helpful and supportive [and I mean that in the sense that even if they don't like what I did, they told me and told me why in a polite and professional way.] people here. I'm sure in time I'll meet a troll or two, but as I said, I know those people in the real world so I accept that for what it's worth.

What the response are showing me is what I hoped to see - that before people will 'listen' to the advice in a review, they need to know the reviewer first. So any review - good or bad - is really only going to move people who follow the reviewer and even then, it's not blind faith.

This was a very good exercise for and I appreciate everyone's input. As you said, it's a good community and I'm pleased with all the feedback. :)


message 16: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Idamus wrote: "If I like the blurp, I usually check my friends here on Goodreads to see if they have anything to say about it, if they don't I might check other reviews
I occationally forget to check and more oft..."


Idamus, {22 btw}

The notion of 'just leaving stars' isn't something to apologize for. Having tried to write reviews that sum up why I like something and realizing I'm writing a ton of spoilers, or when all I have to say is, I read this, I really liked it, I didn't analyze it too much to write a thoughtful review, I don't leave written reviews either. As an author, when someone I don't know leaves me a review with just stars, it's appreciated. It means they read it and are telling me so. As a reader, if I see someone whose taste I mirror, and they leave just stars, i'm free to message them and ask, so stars are helpful, but mostly within the context of - if they are from someone I know and whose tastes in reading is similar to mine - which is basically what you said at the start - you look to your friends to see if any of them have any experience. :)

Thanks again for commenting


message 17: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Elizabetta wrote: "I totally agree with Joolz. My reading moods swing all over the place. I like a smorgasbord of reading possibilities and look to different friends for recommendations depending on the mood.

I also..."


Elizabetta - {21 btw - see my response to Joolz for what that means}

First I swear I responded - I know I did because I spelled your name wrong at first. So I must be getting old and . . . and I don't know what else LOL.

It is tricky for me as an author to review them, but I like to try where I think they've done something well. I think you hit it well when you said, it's a way to socialize. I've read a few 'comment treads' on people's reviews where the people go back and forth and it's clear they know each other well.

This blog has been informative in several ways and I'm very pleased to have gotten so much useful feedback.

Thanks again.

AQG


message 18: by Idamus (new)

Idamus Andrew wrote: "Idamus wrote: "If I like the blurp, I usually check my friends here on Goodreads to see if they have anything to say about it, if they don't I might check other reviews
I occationally forget to che..."


Ah, no I was appologizing for not caring if my one-line reviews are helpful for my friends -seeing as I use theirs ;)


message 19: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Idamus wrote: "Andrew wrote: "Idamus wrote: "If I like the blurp, I usually check my friends here on Goodreads to see if they have anything to say about it, if they don't I might check other reviews
I occationall..."


LOL ops, my bad. I'll let your friends decide if that's cool or not :-P


message 20: by Elizabetta (new)

Elizabetta Andrew wrote: "Elizabetta wrote: "I totally agree with Joolz. My reading moods swing all over the place. I like a smorgasbord of reading possibilities and look to different friends for recommendations depending o..."

Continuing on the social vein: As a reader you have to be very careful and considerate with those back and forth discussions. Esp. if it's a review you don't agree with. It's so easy to get into a 'disagreement', I've seen it happen more than once and I'll usually opt to not participate at all. The etiquette of entering into an ongoing discussion is interesting too esp. if you're not 'close friends' with the participants (and confusing...is it considered rude, like butting in in real life?)

Of course, the great value in reading/discussing reviews is discovering different viewpoints, the different ways people react to a book and I learn something not only about them but about myself as well... Sorry, this is straying from the 'value of reviews to authors' I guess...


message 21: by jules0623 (new)

jules0623 I only read reviews before reading a book if I suspect the story has an element I hate reading. If I like the blurb, I read the book. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. Reviews are so subjective. I've loved stories with a 2 star rating and I've hated books with an overwhelming number of 5 star reviews.

As for review sites, I pretty much ignore anything they have to say unless it's a low rating as I've found they tend to be ridiculously soft on bad stories. If they give a low rating, the book has to be utter rubbish!


message 22: by Amelia (new)

Amelia Bishop jules0623 wrote: "I only read reviews before reading a book if I suspect the story has an element I hate reading. If I like the blurb, I read the book. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. Reviews are so subjec..."

I totally agree with you, Jules. My taste in books often goes against the grain of reviewers. Review sites are generally way too soft, and the blurb is a much better indication of whether or not I'll like a book.

Also, on sites like Amazon I tend to ignore all the five star and one star reviews as in some way biased. The three and four star reviews are usually better at convincing me to buy, even if they are only a line or two. When a book has only a few reviews and they are all five stars, gushing about how great the book is? Almost like having no reviews at all, I think.

Another point, with the "look inside" feature on so many books, where you can preview a few pages or chapters, it makes the reviews even less necessary.


message 23: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon jules0623 wrote: "I only read reviews before reading a book if I suspect the story has an element I hate reading. If I like the blurb, I read the book. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. Reviews are so subjec..."

Hey Jules,

{23}Thanks for responding. The - ' I read the blurb and decide' method is what readers had to do for decades before the advent of on-line reviews, so it makes sense that the tried and true with a tweak - the checking to see if it has elements you don't like - seems a good idea.

Thanks again.

AQG


message 24: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Gordon Amelia wrote: "jules0623 wrote: "I only read reviews before reading a book if I suspect the story has an element I hate reading. If I like the blurb, I read the book. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. Rev..."

Amelia,

{24} Thanks for stopping by. I read a post somewhere from an author who said - they got this really good written view, among the best for the book, but the rating was 2 stars. They knew the reviewer so one day when they were chatting, the author asked the reviewer and was told the reason for the two stars was because readers pay more attention to a story that doesn't have all 5 star reviews and that for those who ignore the rating but read the review, they'd see the reviewer liked the story. So it seems there is more truth to that notion than I thought.

Thanks for the comments and the insight.

AQG


message 25: by Idamus (new)

Idamus jules0623 wrote: "I only read reviews before reading a book if I suspect the story has an element I hate reading. If I like the blurb, I read the book. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. Reviews are so subjec..."

My creditcard is very grateful for your booktestings ;)


message 26: by jules0623 (new)

jules0623 Idamus wrote: "jules0623 wrote: "I only read reviews before reading a book if I suspect the story has an element I hate reading. If I like the blurb, I read the book. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. Rev..."

:D


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