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Feb 23, 2013 06:16PM
Interesting....this makes me want to read it.
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Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "Interesting....this makes me want to read it."It's almost, really, I mean it, almost done XD XD XD I swear!
Writing is HARD. :)And I need to read the first one first. Will PM since it's that incognito release thing.
Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "Also, hope you're enjoying writing it. It seems like you are."I am now. This one is tough because it feels like two hours of research for every sentence sometimes @_@ I just hope it's not completely boring to everyone else LOL
Syfy wrote: "As a fan of this series, I implore you to not pull any punches! Please?No fear Isa, no fear.
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If I told you life was MUCH WORSE for Tyler in volume 2 than it was in volume 1 would that ... ah... reassure you? ~heh~
You don't go for shock value or PC; you tell an honest tale. This more than anything reassures me that whatever Tyler's journey, it will be brilliant! *can't hardly wait*
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One of the main characters in the series that I co-write is a racist, misogynistic, disrespectful tool who makes no apologies about the way he is. He's not a villain, but his behavior and attitude is deeply ingrained and it will never change.Over the years there have been a few people who have been offended by his behavior (I always expected there to be more, honestly) but I can only think of one incident where a reader didn't get the distinction between his behavior/opinions and mine.
There will always be people who don't make that distinction, and there will always be criticisms of the presence of any un-PC behavior at all, but I think for the most part (in my experience, anyway), readers can tell when it's part of the character and not something inherent in the writer that is coming across in their writing.
This genre needs complex, multi-faceted, flawed characters. Your dude sounds like he is right up that alley.
:) he's someone that comes along halfway through the series, but when i introduced him, i was POSITIVE that he/i would get hated on pretty hardcore because he's such a disrespectful fuck.
Sonny wrote: ":) he's someone that comes along halfway through the series, but when i introduced him, i was POSITIVE that he/i would get hated on pretty hardcore because he's such a disrespectful fuck."Instead, the opposite happened. Many readers like him better than the MCs.
Just guessing but is that Emilio?Aren't the extreme characters the most interesting anyway, the ones you can't necessarily relate to, but they're unapologetic and intense and interesting.
Great! Now I have something else to read until Isa *ehem* hands over the next installment of Freelancers... LoL!;P
Also, I don't see the point in arguing morality in a character. Why do people get offended by a fictional person? Escapes me. It's not the real world.
Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "Also, I don't see the point in arguing morality in a character. Why do people get offended by a fictional person? Escapes me. It's not the real world."*highest of fivers* Anna B
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Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "Also, I don't see the point in arguing morality in a character. Why do people get offended by a fictional person? Escapes me. It's not the real world."I think the problem in my case is that I tend to focus on subtle "passive" kinds of bigotry. The stuff that gets passed off everyday as "funny" or normal by ignorant people. And for people who have to deal with that sort of bullshit every day it can hit a nerve :(
Isa wrote: "Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "Also, I don't see the point in arguing morality in a character. Why do people get offended by a fictional person? Escapes me. It's not the real world."I think the problem..."
And the people who do that themselves may not even notice it.
Lol, Syfy, I recall we've agreed before. Back at you. :)Isa, I don't know you that well, but if people think you're supporting misogyny and transphobia...they're kinda dumb. Joke's on them imo.
Fiction seems like a good place to me to explore offensive ideas....I guess I can see people being bothered by it, but again, don't hold it against the author. Read something else.
And then there are books like that one that I forgot the name of, that is set in some alternate future where white people are oppressed by black people and the whites are called 'pearls' and the black 'coals' and they all behave atrociously towards the poor suppressed pearls. Sure, it's fiction, but sure the author is still a racist.
Marleen wrote: "And then there are books like that one that I forgot the name of, that is set in some alternate future where white people are oppressed by black people and the whites are called 'pearls' and the bl..."Lmao, you may be right. That sounds like a unique book.
Awww, care bears. You make some interesting points, Weasel. Characters are always a reflection of the author in some way, whether they're advocating, railing against, or just exploring a viewpoint. I am bothered when I feel like I'm reading the author's opinion, when it's soapboxy to the point I can't enjoy the character. The author's job is to make me forget the story was written. I want to feel like it fell out of the sky, fully formed... maybe I'm silly.
Definitely looking up Revealing Eden now.
Marleen wrote: "And then there are books like that one that I forgot the name of, that is set in some alternate future where white people are oppressed by black people and the whites are called 'pearls' and the bl..."Oh yes.... that was the most fun drama. It wasn't just the book, the marketing campaign included plenty of black face and for a while the author seemed to just be running around the internet trolling people *lol* Like YOU GUYZ YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW WHITE PEOPLE ARE SO OPPRESSED!!
This looks really interesting. Can't wait to read it! I agree that the difficulty in making a whatever-phobe character sympathetic or even likeable is that readers might misinterpret it as an approval of that prejudice. It doesn't have to be. People are more complicated than that, and characters should be as well.
I wish GR would come out with a Like button for comments. Until they do, I'll just sit here and sadly keep hitting the invisible Like button for comments.


