The Third Wheel

 

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CITATION
Rasheed, Muhammad. "The Third Wheel." Cartoon. The Official Website of Cartoonist M. Rasheed 00 Date 2024.  [cartoon pending] Pen & ink w/Adobe Photoshop color.

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Bruce Ramsey - O Muslim.  WHO is the "he" Jesus is referring to in the "Injeel" (John 8:24) when Jesus says, "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins"?   So, O Muslim, WHO is that "he" Jesus is referring to in the "Book" that makes "People of the Book" the Quran says it confirms?  WHO is that "he" IN John 8:24?
Muhammad Rasheed - Bruce wrote: "WHO is the 'he' Jesus is referring to in the 'Injeel' (John 8:24)"
The Injil referred to in the Qur'an isn't the modern New Testament. The Injil is the revealed message preached by Jesus (pbuh) during his earthly lifetime, a work that is now lost. Jesus did not preach his own (badly) cobbled together life story as shown in the four gospels.
Bruce wrote: "when Jesus says"
Christian scholarship reveals that the Gospel of John is a fabricated document written by anonymous writers from among the Johannine community. Jesus didn't actually say the quote, it was a fictional quote based on a specific evangelical agenda and attributed to the messiah as if he said it.


Bruce Ramsey - If the Gospel is NOT the New Testament, well, WHAT is the "Book" that not only makes "People of the Book" the "clear signs" (Quran, that "explains EVERYTHING fully in detail") confirms, but, WHAT are the "before Scriptures" YOU are to come to ME for my READING of according to Quran 10:94?
Muhammad Rasheed - Bruce wrote: "10:94"
In context, the verse is talking about settling the children of Israel in the promised land, and the bickering schisms they fell into among one another later. Obviously, "those who have been reading the Book from before thee" is referring to the Book of Moses specifically where such information is to be found.
Also, considering the Jewish scripture was carried only as an oral song passed down through the generations for millennia before it was finally written down in relatively recent times, obviously the One God doesn't always mean a literal physical "book" when He uses the term.


Bruce Ramsey - You think it's wise to come to me for reading a book ALL Muslims believe to be corrupted? THINK, please.
Muhammad Rasheed - Bruce wrote: "You think it's wise to come to me for reading a book ALL Muslims believe to be corrupted?"
The bible is absolutely corrupted, and no one would be more aware of that than Allah, of course. So, the point of the two verses is to tell the prophet that that particular portion of the Old Testament is still accurate enough for the prophet to verify with the learned among the children of Israel only if the prophet were so foolish as to doubt the revelation of Allah in verse 10:93.
Clearly, Allah only said that in order to produce a stylized effect. Of course, the prophet took his Lord at His Word.
Bruce wrote: "THINK, please."
Oh, I did. You're the one who appears to be having some trouble.
Bruce Ramsey - There is no verification, though, for the Red Sea incident in the Torah doesn't match with how the Quran has it (Pharaoh becoming a Muslim). But, hey, come to me to find out there is no verification, and, I'll then tell you how Jesus' death on the cross FOR our sins is the ONLY action that makes sense of all the sin offerings and blood atonement mentioned in the Torah (Allah's book given to Musa").
Muhammad Rasheed - Bruce wrote: "There is no verification, though"
The Qur'an is the inerrant Word of God that the bible only pretends to be. By default, the Qur'an IS the verification that corrects the previous errors.
Bruce wrote: "for the Red Sea incident in the Torah doesn't match with how the Quran has it"
Then fix your book. You now have access to the Noble Qur'an to guide you.
Bruce wrote: "(Pharaoh becoming a Muslim)"
Death bed confessions aren't real anyway. He "converted" in impotent vanity. Hell will be his portion.
Bruce wrote: "But, hey, come to me to find out"
Again, 10:93-94 is talking about going to the children of Israel to verify the specific topic God mentioned. At no point ever did God say we should verify anything with the Christians who lost most of the message of the Christ, and even ignore the little piece you did manage to save. What would YOU know? Psh.
Bruce wrote: "there is no verification"
Allah is enough for a Witness.
Bruce wrote: "and, I'll then tell you how Jesus' death on the cross FOR our sins is the ONLY action that makes sense"
It's the only action that makes sense for those who wish to be cast into hell as pagans.
Caleb Sannoh - @Muhammad... I am just joining this conversation between you and Bruce. I have a few questions about the corrupt Injil.
1. Have you seen the uncorrupted Injil? If you have seen it, can you tell me where to find it?
2. Who physically wrote the Quran?
3. If Mohammed was a prophet, why didn't Allah speak to him directly? Why did Allah always have to go through the angel Jibril to communicate with Mohammed?
Waiting to hear back from you.
Muhammad Rasheed - Caleb wrote: "Have you seen the uncorrupted Injil? If you have seen it, can you tell me where to find it?"
You said you saw the dialog between Bruce and me. I answered that question right at the top. The Gospel of Jesus (pbuh) was an oral message.


Caleb wrote: "Who physically wrote the Quran?"
There were a number of scribes in the early Muslim community who dutifully wrote down the new revealed verses as soon as they heard them. This included Ubayy ibn Ka'b and the prophet's stepson Zayd ibn Thabit.
Caleb wrote: "3. If Mohammed was a prophet"
And he was, confirmed by Allah Most Gracious, so be not of those who doubt.
Caleb wrote: "why didn't Allah speak to him directly? Why did Allah always have to go through the angel Jibril to communicate with Mohammed?"
Allah said that He always used the Noble Gabriel to communicate the revelation to His prophets, with Moses (pbuh) being the only exception.


Bruce Ramsey - WHY obey Quran 10:94 and come to ME for my reading of the "before Scriptures" version of the Red Sea incident IF it doesn't match with the Quran if THAT is what Quran 10:94 is telling you to do with me?
Muhammad Rasheed - I already explained. The verse is Allah letting the prophet know that the particular item He mentioned in 10:93 about the Old Testament is still accurate, if the prophet felt inclined to get the info verified by the children of Israel. Christians and their New Testament are not part of that discussion whatsoever.
In fact, you're butting into someone else's discussion like a third wheel.
Bruce Ramsey - Where does it say in Quran 10:93 "still accurate"?
Muhammad Rasheed - 10:94 is the part that says that story in OT referenced in 10:93 is still accurate.
Muhammad Rasheed - Aren't you the one who told me to "THINK, please"?
I'll need you to try a little harder, bud, considering all the trash you talked.