Caping for Becky

Muhammad Rasheed - [ARTICLE] Cosby accuser's family 'despises black people' & used Cosby for revenge on 'all black people'

"Bruce Castor opened an investigation on Bill Cosby for reports of a powerful black man sexually assaulting a white woman. After a lengthy investigation, he found Constand wasn’t credible given her extreme contradictions on what happened, when it happened and why it happened."

Jeremy Love - C'mon man, why post this nonsense?

Muhammad Rasheed - Why do you think it's "nonsense?" I thought it was very interesting.

Muhammad Rasheed - It's very insightful in how the legal system works.

Jeremy Love - It's a very dubious news source.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol All news sources are 'dubious.' What matters is the strength of the materials they report. Do they hold up or not?

Jeremy Love - On the night in question:
Q: Can you tell me ... what you recall of the night in which you gave the pills to Andrea?
A: Andrea came to the house. I called her. ... We talked about Temple University. We talked about her position. And then I went upstairs and I got three pills. I brought them down. They are the equivalent of one and a half. The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress.
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Cosby describes a several-minute sexual encounter that followed.
Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission?
A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?
A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jeremy quoted: "The reason why I gave them and offered them to Andrea, which she took after examining them, was because she was talking about stress."

Nothing here suggests even remotely that she was drugged without her knowledge in a date rape scenario. He went to get some meds for his extra-marital affair 'friend' when she came over complaining about how stressed she was. You know what else is good for medicating stress? Sex. Since they were actively having an affair, the leap towards "Cosby is confessing his rape!" is ridiculous to the point of offense.

Jason Farmer - "Nothing here suggests even remotely that she was drugged without her knowledge in a date rape scenario."

How about the fact that s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶d̶s̶ Quaaludes have been as illegal as heroin since 1984? She says she thought she was taking an herbal remedy, but for the sake of argument, let's say that's a lie; she knew he was giving her something illegal. Andrea Constand is 44. Do you think she was on the disco party scene at 10 or younger getting high off Quaaludes? Quaaludes were two decades removed from being a party drug in 2004. Qualudes in 2004 are a date rape drug.

Cosby testified to being prescribed the drugs in the 70s.

Q: When you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?

A: Yes.

He obtained the drugs back in the 70s for the purposes of sex and kept them 20 years after being classified a Schedule 1 drug. He kept a Schedule 1 illegal SEDATIVE known to be especially potent when mixed with alcohol for decades with the intent to give it to women he wanted to have sex with. He then gave that SEDATIVE with alcohol to a woman he wanted to sleep with from the first time he saw her, and then engaged in sexual activity with her, during which, he admits, she did not consent.

Q: So, you're not telling us that you verbally asked her for permission?

A: I didn't say it verbally, I said. The action is my hand on her midriff, which is skin. I'm not lifting any clothing up. This is, I don't remember fully what it is, but it's there and I can feel. I got her skin and it's just above the hand and it's just above where you can go under the pants.

Q: Then what happens?

A: I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped.

His interpretation of consent is that she never said anything in her drug induced state, after taking a sedative he failed to identify, made especially potent by the alcohol he served with it.

And by his own admission, it's not the only time.

Q: Did you give her quaaludes?

A: Yes.

Q: What effect did the quaaludes have on her?

A: She became in those days what was called high.

Q: She said that she believes she was not in the position to consent to intercourse after you gave her the drug. Do you believe that is correct?

A: I DON'T KNOW (emphasis mine)... How many years ago are we talking about? 197[6]? ... I meet Ms. Picking in Las Vegas. She meets me backstage. I give her quaaludes. We then have sex.

How is this hard? You're caping for a rapist who rationalized racism because Black people have non-conforming names, Black women are unwed, and Black women (married and single) have multiple kids; a man who rationalized Black people being murdered for something as petty as stealing pound cake; a man whose very actions (the rapes and the "Pound Cake Speech" that resulted in a judge releasing the damning deposition I quoted) earned him his conviction.

Jason Farmer - Oh, and by the by. It's also rape if you decide to stick it in someone who is too drunk to give consent. Just so we're clear.

Muhammad Rasheed - @Jason... Please post the link you used for the pulled deposition quotes.

Jason Farmer - You don't have access to the deposition?

Jason Farmer - I'm not trying to be difficult for the sake of being difficult. I'm just trying to get to the point. You either do have access to the deposition, in which case you wish to challenge the context or veracity of those quotes, or you are lacking very pertinent information on this topic.

Jason Farmer - If it's the former, just go ahead and express your grievance.

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm looking for a copy that will enable me to rapidly search for the quotes you pulled for convenience, and so far the ones I find are scanned page images that won't let me do that. Since I feel it is highly unlikely that you took the time to type out those lengthy quotes you posted from scanned page image reference, I just wanted to use the same high-speed link you used. If you do not care to give it then I'll find it the long way later on when I have more time.

Jason Farmer - For expediency:

Read excerpts from Cosby's 2005-2006 quaalude deposition
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la...

Jason Farmer - For a little more depth:

Cosby Deposition | DOCUMENTCLOUD.ORG
https://www.documentcloud.org/documen...

Jason Farmer - I would encourage reading that second link.

Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, I was deliberately avoiding using other people's cherry-picked quote editorials about it.

Muhammad Rasheed - The second link document appears to have been written/packaged by the extremely biased Troiani herself.

This isn't THE Cosby Deposition, is it?

Muhammad Rasheed - It's peppered with her complaints and driving narrative of events.

Jason Farmer - It does provide insight into the coaching Cosby was receiving when answering. It could have been worse for him if not for that. But ignore it if you choose. Do you dispute that is the deposition?

Jason Farmer - @Muhammad... So, what's up? What are you disputing? Or are you scouring a 66 page document on a quest to find supporting evidence for a conclusion you've already arrived at?

Muhammad Rasheed - So far I've noticed an objective analysis of the case reveals something different than what Troiani and Co. want us to believe. This whole "He did it and that's that! Why dig deeper?!" doesn't seem right to me.

Jason Farmer - What part of what I posted are you objecting to?

Muhammad Rasheed - It's the revelation that it was Troiani's team that put together the deposition and released it to the public, and how it deliberately leads the reader in the direction she needs the narrative to flow in so the prosecution can influence the public... prior to jury selection.

The effort is very obvious and ham-fisted.

Jason Farmer - Are you stating what I posted was not Cosby's testimony?

Jason Farmer - She didn't release that to the public btw. It was sealed. I trust you know how it became unsealed? I alluded to it earlier.

Muhammad Rasheed - My question is: Where are the full source documents absent the heavily-biased Troiani's narration? Did the defense put together their own package of the deposition, too? Where is that?

Jason Farmer - Go look for it. Aren't you smart enough to parse out his testimony from her argument? I know you are. These are the deflections I was trying to avoid when I questioned your wanting me to post the source.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "Aren't you smart enough to parse out his testimony from her argument?"

But I'm not the one that has uncritically accepted what that woman has spoon fed the public as THE definitive version of events.

Jason Farmer - Again, you are choosing to deflect with questions about her complaints to the court concerning counsel's conduct. This is a document submitted to the court containing Bill Cosby's deposition. You wanted the source I quoted from. I gave you the source for expediency, and I also provided you this. Apparently, you have not done this much research on your own, which is surprising, for someone who has spoken so often and so matter-of-factly on this case.

Getting back on track. Are you claiming that the quotes I posted are not Bill Cosby's testimony? Deal with that.

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm saying that the document the public references as "The Cosby Disposition" was prepared by the heavily-biased, and very crooked, prosecution team and even goes so far as to contain the prosecution's heavy-handed narrative of how they want the reader to think of events -- basically grabbing the reader by the scruff of the neck and forcing him/her to follow the thread they want followed.

Since the doc was sealed, it was obviously done this way to influence the jury they would hand-pick. That they were able to release it to the public, who were happily led around by the bull's nose ring as the prosecution had hoped, it only worked in their favor.

Jeremy Love - He doesn't want to admit that those were Cosby's words. Cosby's legal team has not disputed the validity of the deposition. He made a absolutely ridiculous argument that a woman saying she was stressed out was a green light for sex, now he's dismissing the deposition as fake news. That deposition is game, set, match and he knows it. It is a clear admission to a crime.

Muhammad Rasheed - As I pointed out a few times now, it's the prosecution leading the reader with the narration that taints the document for public consumption. I never said those weren't Cosby's words. That's a strawman effigy.

Jason Farmer - @Jeremy... Thank you. @Muhammad... That's a rather evasive and hypocritical stance for you to take, considering your earlier defense of this article. You also don't seem too informed on about this deposition, why it was sealed, and how it was released. This had nothing to do with the prosecution. In fact, it was created before there even was a prosecution.

Jason Farmer - "I never said those weren't Cosby's words. That's a strawman effigy."

I believe what was stated is that you do not want to admit that those were Cosby's words, not that you deny it. You're deliberately being evasive. So again, do you deny that was his testimony?

Muhammad Rasheed - I haven't denied the testimony, but now that you mention it, I wouldn't doubt that Troiani would leave out parts, or nudge a word or to in a direction she felt could be more 'clear' if she were so inclined.

Jeremy Travis - @Muhammad... Can you prove that she so tainted Cosby's deposition, or do you just BELIEVE that she did?

Further, IF she tainted it, what would his deposition look like if she hadn't tainted it?

Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "Jeremy Love Thank you."

Are you thanking him for his strawman? *thoughtful*

Jason wrote: "Muhammad Rasheed, that's a rather evasive and hypocritical stance for you to take, considering your earlier defense of this article."

The article authors don't have Troiani's slimeball reputation though, so I don't understand this comparison.

Jason Farmer - Again, not what I asked. I obliged your request. I ask you to return the favor. Are you denying (not have you) that is Cosby's testimony. Here are your choices:

A) Yes.
B) No.
C) I don't know.

If "A," show us some evidence to back it up. If "B" or "C," why were you speaking so matter-of-factly on the case?

Muhammad Rasheed - Jeremy wrote: "Muhammad, can you prove that she so tainted Cosby's deposition...?"

Throughout the deposition, the preparer's narrative of how she wants the reader to understand the material breaks in every 10 lines or so. Since the deposition package was actually prepared by the prosecution team itself -- and the reading media and public happens to believe EXACTLY what that narration wants them to believe -- it is obvious to me that unsealing and releasing these documents into the public tainted the entire eligible pool of potential jurors.

Jeremy Travis - Then how come Cosby's attorneys haven't set straight the record of the deposition?

Jason Farmer - @Muhammad... You've completely exposed yourself here. The deposition was not prepared by the prosecution. You are completely winging it. I'll be back. I hope you'll stop with these deflections and answer the question I posed in my last reply, or at least confess you don't possess the knowledge to have made some of the comments you did.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jason wrote: "The deposition was not prepared by the prosecution."

First page of desposition from your link:



Muhammad Rasheed - Second page of desposition from your link:



Jeremy Love - I don't see the relevance.

Muhammad Rasheed - It has Troiani's sig as the submitter.

Jeremy Love - Cosby said: 1) he gave her drugs 2) she was not fully conscious 3) he made sexual contact 4) she did not consent. No amount of "leading questions" can break that chain of events. That is a crime. If that deposition was doctored why would Cosby's legal team remain silent?

Jason Farmer - FYI (maybe TMI): I just hopped out of the shower, half dressed, and getting myself together. That should give you enough time to realize your error.

Jeremy Love - You don't understand, the deposition was for a CIVIL CASE. There is no prosecution in a civil case.

Jason Farmer - Damn it, Jeremy.