Riptide Books and Sarah Lyons - racism, abuse and harassment thread
I'm setting this up to host a discussion about the behaviour of Riptide Publishing and Sarah Lyons.
Sarah Lyons, who was Santino Hassell's editor and defender (summary here https://thesaltminers.tumblr.com/ ), has resigned after details of her abusive behaviour and racism towards a queer author of colour became public:
http://blackmagicblues.com/on-sarah-l...
http://riptidepublishing.com/SL-state...
This comes on the heels of Sakura making accusations of abuse here:
https://www.goodreads.com/user_status...
And Matthew J Metzger is one of those glad to see Lyons gone because of what happened to him personally
https://twitter.com/MatthewJMetzger/s...
This is at least the third time Riptide has been accused of racism or racial insensitivity:
https://twitter.com/courtneymilan/sta...
And their track record in racial diversity is uninspiring, to say the least
http://www.therippedbodicela.com/site...
(Discussions of Santino Hassell's behaviour are still going on here
https://www.goodreads.com/user_status...
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I am not personally involved in any of this. I am giving my little used blog space to you to use to vent and discuss as you wish.
Alisha Rai is discussing this on twitter if you prefer that venue:
https://twitter.com/AlishaRai/status/...
For a little light relief, this comment is relevant
Sarah Lyons, who was Santino Hassell's editor and defender (summary here https://thesaltminers.tumblr.com/ ), has resigned after details of her abusive behaviour and racism towards a queer author of colour became public:
http://blackmagicblues.com/on-sarah-l...
http://riptidepublishing.com/SL-state...
This comes on the heels of Sakura making accusations of abuse here:
https://www.goodreads.com/user_status...
And Matthew J Metzger is one of those glad to see Lyons gone because of what happened to him personally
https://twitter.com/MatthewJMetzger/s...
This is at least the third time Riptide has been accused of racism or racial insensitivity:
https://twitter.com/courtneymilan/sta...
And their track record in racial diversity is uninspiring, to say the least
http://www.therippedbodicela.com/site...
(Discussions of Santino Hassell's behaviour are still going on here
https://www.goodreads.com/user_status...
)
I am not personally involved in any of this. I am giving my little used blog space to you to use to vent and discuss as you wish.
Alisha Rai is discussing this on twitter if you prefer that venue:
https://twitter.com/AlishaRai/status/...
For a little light relief, this comment is relevant
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Thanks again, Ann. You put this together very well.
As a Riptide author, yes, thank you to everyone who spoke out. I'm still halfway through a contracted series with Riptide, and they sell a lot of my titles.
My personal experience has always been positive -- and I'm just angry and upset that not everyone was treated to the same standard I was.
I'll be watching with interest over the coming days and weeks to see what my options are for going forward.
Riptide showed its true colors with the "Chocolate Monkey of Love" incident. Yet authors continued working with them because their own experiences were "positive." If that's not a prime example of white privilege then I don't know what is.
Thanks for starting this one up separately so we can discuss both issues in full!Mercedes wrote: "Riptide showed its true colors with the "Chocolate Monkey of Love" incident. Yet authors continued working with them because their own experiences were "positive." If that's not a prime example of ..."
Some people, myself included, are fairly new to the genre though and may not have been aware of any previous incidents up until Xen courageously spoke out.
My impressions of Riptide from a reader/reviewer's perspective has always been one of mixed frustration (they would approve me for some books on NetGalley but not all for example) but I've always had a positive experience as a reader.
It wasn't until just this past few days that I heard anything about the previous slavery etc related events.
I can’t speak for other authors. I chose to believe their apology at that time and appreciated the fact they were hiring sensitivity readers and had resolved to do better.
Samantha wrote: "The post was edited, but I was answering a question regarding precedence for the behavior. I think it does go to SH, actually.On a deeper level, what they showed was that they knew about RT's bad behavior -- see the messages they sent -- and then decided to go with them anyway. Interesting, right? Or maybe because you're more likely to get away with stuff when you know no one is held accountable and everything can be smoothed over with a few pretty words. "
Courtney Milan points out the problematic behavior they try to "smooth over with a few pretty words"
https://twitter.com/courtneymilan/sta...
Rachel Haimowitz says she needs to apologize, and then...doesn't.https://twitter.com/RachelHaimowitz/s...
(Thank you Ann, for providing this space.)
So what's better, rush and come up with a crappy statement like that or take sometime, and some hits online, and think though the issue, talk to people, and form a true apology? Like someone somewhere said, they really need crisis management.I distanced myself from Riptide a long time ago for other issues. But I remember hearing about the slavery and the Amy Lane book. Riptide is not alone with its dismal diversity rating, but here are three sizable examples of its problems. Do other publishers make news the way Riptide does with this?
Alexandra wrote: "Rachel Haimowitz says she needs to apologize, and then...doesn't.https://twitter.com/RachelHaimowitz/s...
(Thank you Ann, for providing this space.)"
LOL Yeah, I saw that and then replied "Where's the apology though?"
For people who's careers revolve around words, they certainly suck at writing an honest, sincere, unoffensive "apology."
Maybe someone should write a step by step guide to apologizing and, I don't know, publish it?
Lisa, if you're still following (or anyone else who may know) do you know if they have policies in place to handle disputes, discrimination or claims of sexual misconduct? Where are people like Xen supposed to go when that happens? Rachel?
Vickie wrote: "LOL Yeah, I saw that and then replied "Where's the apology though?" "I know! It was so odd. I've seen some crappy apologies before, but I've never seen anyone think saying "I need to apologize" is actually an apology before. I mean even just saying "I apologize" would have made better sense, although probably not more effective. ;)
"For people who's careers revolve around words, they certainly suck at writing an honest, sincere, unoffensive "apology.""
Problem is, that's really, really hard to do when you don't want to admit you did what it is you need to apologize for.
I think it is worth bearing in mind, Devil's Advocating and all that here, is that the original emails to Xen were in 2014, so while I seriously hope this resignation of the main culprit makes changes, it's also possible there have already been some.They do have POC writers, editors and they have very definitely released books with POC models on the front K.J. Charles has a number of books that spring to mind.
Have seen Christine d'Abo's tweet ? She's ending her relationship with Riptide !--> https://twitter.com/Christine_dAbo/st...
Optimist ♰King's Wench♰ & MANTIES Champion wrote: "Lisa, if you're still following (or anyone else who may know) do you know if they have policies in place to handle disputes, discrimination or claims of sexual misconduct? Where are people like Xen..."The experience that I've had with Riptide (and other publishers, just to make it clear that AFAIK it's standard practice) is that you sign a contract, and you deal with whatever editors they assign to you.
Like I said, I've never had an issue like this with any editor I've worked with, and I honestly don't know what formal steps are in place if something like this does come up. And this isn't just with Riptide, but with the other publisher I've worked with as well.
I'm not here to be an apologist for Riptide, but they have stated they've made changes in the past few years in regards to addressing concerns of representation. This was in their initial statement regarding Sarah Lyons, linked in Ann's blog above. And until I read Xen's account, the issue of representation (and racism and tone-deafness) was the only one I was aware of, and I believed that it was being addressed.
Rachel has never been my only point of contact at Riptide, so if I had a problem with her there would have been other people there I could contact. Whether or not I would have felt comfortable doing so, I don't know. For me, the scenario simply never came up. But given the things Xen has disclosed, then in his situation I probably wouldn't have felt comfortable or confident in coming forward.
I acknowledge that I've been lucky to only have positive experiences with Riptide and, as I've said, I've been angry and upset to realise that this hasn't been the case for other authors. Positive experiences and professional interactions should have been the bare minimum with all authors.
I don't know what to say, except that when I say my personal experiences were positive, that in no way means I disbelieve or am discounting anyone who had extremely negative experiences.
Zaza wrote: "Have seen Christine d'Abo's tweet ? She's ending her relationship with Riptide !--> https://twitter.com/Christine_dAbo/st..."
That's pretty fantastic!! Way to go, Christine d'Abo, for standing up and speaking out for what's right [and may it continue]!! I anticipate all this is just the beginning of others [who haven't already] following in the same fashion and fighting the good fight, the RIGHT fight!!
One quick Q though, and I mean absolutely NO [seriously, ZERO] shade on Christine d'Abo, but isn't Courtney Miller-Callihan also a nasty villain in this narrative?!? I see Christine d'Abo [based on her Twitter page] is represented by her so I'm intrigued to know what she plans to do in that regard as well :-/!! I'd like to see Christine d'Abo ditching her [Miller-Callihan] and kicking her to the curb too!!
Lisa wrote: "Optimist ♰King's Wench♰ & MANTIES Champion wrote: "Lisa, if you're still following (or anyone else who may know) do you know if they have policies in place to handle disputes, discrimination or cla..."I appreciate your candor & I'm glad your experiences with them have been positive. Someone else that's interacted with them regularly as also said their experiences have been positive.
I promise I'm not witchhunting. I don't want Riptide to go under, enough small pubs have closed shop recently. Considering most of what was in Xen's post was from 2014 I would hope they've made strides in diversity. But they are a business even if it's primarily online so they should have some sort of system in place, in my opinion.
With that & a nickel you might could get some gum.
Sandra wrote: "There's a new pinned tweet from Riptide:https://twitter.com/RiptideBooks/stat..."
Well now. *eyebrow raise*
Well, it's something they desperately needed to do. It sounded like the wild west in there, no oversight, no management, no central location for information. I'm sure publishers have a much different business model than I'm used to but still.
Bottom line: you are the company you keep. We all choose who we associate with. Let’s not be surprised when we are judged with the same stick used to measure any questionable company we decide to keep.
Optimist ♰King's Wench♰ & MANTIES Champion wrote: "Lisa, if you're still following (or anyone else who may know) do you know if they have policies in place to handle disputes, discrimination or claims of sexual misconduct? Where are people like Xen..."The question of having policies and procedures in place is one that has been popping up in my grey matter throughout this.
Even though the physical structure and some aspects of the author-publisher relationship are different compared to some other businesses, how could you *not* have protections in place? Clear paths for authors, and direct employees (they've gotta have HR and internal legal, don't you think??), to take if and when they feel treated unprofessionally, let alone immorally and unkindly? Even businesses with the best of professional cultures (I'm fortunate to work within one) must have plainly and unmistakably stated guidelines for acceptable behavior, and the repercussions for doing otherwise, and safe means by which to report that bad behavior.
I don't think it's expecting too much.
Most people are great.
Still gotta plan for and protect against those that aren't.
Anyway, this is far from the origins of this debacle but, my gosh, we gotta do so much better by each other.
The only "horse" I have in this race are those who've been hurt, and working to avoid that happening in the future.
First off Thank you Ann for organizing this space. If not for this I would not have seen Riptides statement. Goodness knows they don't make it easy to find on their site. If they truly were sorry they would put these statements front and center. And sorry this is so long but the poor apologies make me cross and I have zero connection to this beyond trying to be a decent human being. JenMcJ wrote: "Maybe someone should write a step by step guide to apologizing and, I don't know, publish it?"
In the other thread for SH there was a good link to Sorry Watch. I have pulled links of interest plus the short version of a good apology and placed them in spoiler tag here so as to keep this shorter and the focus on SL & RT.
(view spoiler)
That brings it back to SL and RT "apologies"
I was bothered by the first statement from them where they said
"In the past months, we thought we were doing the right thing by, in good faith, standing up for an author who we were led to believe was being unfairly attacked. We apologize for our part in unwittingly contributing to the harm of the community we hold so dear."
Nowhere do they actually say what they did and take true responsibility.
"In addition, our Editorial Director, Sarah Lyons, did block people on her personal Twitter account. She has already unblocked them and apologizes for not listening to everyone who was asking legitimate questions about the issue."
Umm that is a terrible lack of real apology. She needed to say "I apologize..." and follow it up with the rest of a good apology. They could have said "her personal apology can be found ...".
I have seen no apology from SL and the one from Rachel Haimowitz on her twitter is only an admission she should apologize. Xen x ColeMcCade response is the one worth reading.
https://twitter.com/thisblackmagic/st...
seriously Riptide - you need to actually look into your hearts and come up with real words, actions, and reparations, not white-wash.
I'm so frustrated with Riptide right now. It's so intense. I really, really want them to get their act together and make this right. I don't want people to be hurting anymore than they already have been. Like, watching Xen x ColeMcCade get hurt more by Riptide's attempt at an "apology?" Oooh, boy, that was painful. Xen x ColeMcCade has been through enough; he shouldn't have to deal with any more as Riptide flails around in at attempt to mitigate the damage of this coming out. His well-being should be at the forefront. They need to sit down and ask him, with the utmost sensitivity, "What, if anything, can do do to help?" But they aren't doing that. They keep doing all this stuff, but they aren't consulting the people who were hurt, and so they end up inflicting more hurt.
The Romance Writers of America have posted a Notice of AntiHarrassment Policy that makes it very clear that they are aware of current events:https://www.rwa.org/p/bl/et/blogid=20...
c&ped (emphasis is mine):
Notice of Antiharassment Policy
As we prepare for RWA2018, I feel it is a good time to reassure and remind members that RWA is committed to providing a safe, harassment-free environment. As a business league whose purpose is to improve business conditions and advance the professional interests of romance writers, RWA leaders wish to repudiate the notion that romance writing is an “intimate business.” Romance publishing is a business that is conducted on professional terms like any other business, and no one should ever assume that sexual attention among authors and publishing professionals is appropriate.
RWA adopted an antiharassment policy in 2015, which prohibits harassment related to race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, or religion; inappropriate physical contact; and unwelcome sexual attention. We are committed to providing safeguards and procedures for conference attendees to recognize and report harassment.
Please take a moment to read the RWA conference conduct and antiharassment policy, which may be found at http://www.rwa.org/p/cm/ld/fid=1404.
Sincerely,
Allison Kelley
Executive Director
Romance Writers of America, Inc.
[This is my first comment at GR. I've been reading along since Susan's Scamtino post came to the attention of my braintwin, and I came along to offer moral support as she watched one of her favourite authors (and now one of her favoured publishers) go down in flames. My heart goes out to everyone who has been hurt in both fiascos.]
Darkhavens wrote: "As a business league whose purpose is to improve business conditions and advance the professional interests of romance writers, RWA leaders wish to repudiate the notion that romance writing is an “intimate business.” Romance publishing is a business that is conducted on professional terms like any other business, and no one should ever assume that sexual attention among authors and publishing professionals is appropriate."Love it. Seeing RT call it an "intimate business", particularly in light of what they were addressing, really skeeved me out.
I know that I’m going to have an unpopular opinion/question, but I think it needs to be asked. I’m not an author, publisher, agent or even a victim of Riptide; I’m a reader. I’m seeing a lot of shaming and unfriendly posts on twitter from people (who do not appear to be victims) claiming to be watching who remains with Riptide after this, for authors and readers. I have to ask, what do the victims of Riptide want? Was the point of sharing your heartbreaking stories to make it known what happened and to make change at Riptide? Or was it to run Riptide out of business? I’m asking, having been a reader in this community for over 10 years, and watching so many community publishers close in the past few years. How do you watch a company make the needed and mandatory changes without anyone being there to watch?
Watching what’s going on in the Twittersphere and the number of authors leaving, I’m not sure that Riptide will make it back from this restructuring. And I’m wondering where does that leave the unknown, new authors in this awesome community? And watching as authors are belittled for not immediately leaving Riptide... that’s heading right back into bullying territory. Why wouldn’t authors stay and be the watchdog as Riptide rebuilds to be better?
So, I’m just asking, what do the victims want out of this in the log term? Not everyone else, the victims of Riptide. If the answer is let it burn, let it close, so be it.
https://twitter.com/authorharpmill/st..."💕Romancelandia 💕 I need your help. In light of recent events in the queer romance community @ladrianaherrera and I are compiling a list of PoC authors who write queer romance to discuss actionable next steps. We have a good list so far, but we don’t want to overlook anyone."
I'm coming at this as a reader, because that's the only place I have any say. I'm not an author or an editor or an artist.This reader wants the authors who write with RT(and any publisher) to be comfortable doing so. Without unwanted sexual advances. Without racism. Without feeling like they owe extra work just to get their books out there. For people to be paid for the work that they put in, whether it's writing, editing, or as sensitivity experts.
Tricia wrote: ". I’m seeing a lot of shaming and unfriendly posts on twitter from people (who do not appear to be victims)"I'll preface my comments by first acknowledging that I don't read this genre, so I have not been affected personally in any way.
But I do want to point out that it's not simply victims that have the right to speak out and comment regarding Riptide, but their readers, their customers.
They have that right.
Whatever the end result is, the consequences of the unprofessional actions, it's not the fault of those who have spoken out and complained, it's fully on the heads of those who have acted in a professional capacity, but in an unprofessional manner. And those who employed them.
If any author is being harassed for not immediately leaving Riptide, I certainly wouldn't support such a thing.
However, as you've addressed your questions to the victims, certainly the victims can speak for themselves, if they choose to respond.
Ann wrote: "https://twitter.com/authorharpmill/st..."💕Romancelandia 💕 I need your help. In light of recent events in the queer romance community @ladrianaherrera and I are compiling a lis..."
I hadn’t seen that so thanks for sharing, and it’s a great start to fix the industry. I’m intrigued to see what they come up with.
But what about the authors now? The ones that are being bullied to leave? Sure, I’ve seen a couple of posts offering to edit or sensitivity read for free but that’s also not a long term solution, and it’s going to take time to make the changes that are needed. I’m looking forward to seeing the changes; they’re desperately needed, but I’m concerned about the bullying and losing new and unknown authors in the current waves.
And I’m not a supporter of Patreon. It’s just not my thing, and I look at it as encouraging that unequal power dynamic between authors and people who can afford to spend for higher levels - they’re “closer” to the author.
What other opportunities are there right now for new, unknown authors if they leave Riptide behind with no safety net? As a reader, the last thing I want is for these authors to vanish; they’re the ones who usually end up brightening my day.
Tricia wrote: " The ones that are being bullied to leave? "Could we please at least not use the word bullied for things that are not actually bullying? It's damaging to actual victims of bullying.
Grown adults cannot be bullied by strangers on Twitter. Because that's not what bullying actually is. People cannot be bullied where they can control who speaks to them, what they see, and when they can shut down the window.
Now again, if people are being harassed, I would not support that.
"What other opportunities are there right now for new, unknown authors if they leave Riptide behind with no safety net?"
Some have chosen to leave already. There are other publishers, and there is self-publishing.
Alexandra wrote: "Tricia wrote: " The ones that are being bullied to leave? "Could we please at least not use the word bullied for things that are not actually bullying? It's damaging to actual victims of bullying..."
From my understanding, harassment is technically only applicable if it’s against a class (sex, gender, race, etc). If that’s wrong, I apologize and will use it differently, but that’s how I was taught.
In any case, there’s a lot of harassment toward authors publishing under Riptide right now: that they’ll be judged for not leaving. I just think it’s wrong for that to be happening especially in light of everything that’s happened in the past week and that in the long run this harassment is hurtful for the community.
Tricia wrote: "From my understanding, harassment is technically only applicable if it’s against a class (sex, gender, race, etc). If that’s wrong, I apologize and will use it differently, but that’s how I was taught."I see. That's incorrect, harassment is not limited to those things.
"In any case, there’s a lot of harassment toward authors publishing under Riptide right now: that they’ll be judged for not leaving."
I do not agree with people hounding authors to leave. Personally I think they should be left to make up their own minds what to do. It's a business decision, and no doubt there are a variety of factors for them to consider in choosing what they feel is best for them.
And anyway, I just don't agree with people going into someone's space and harassing them on the internet.
However, their customers have the right to buy their books in the future, or not, for whatever reason. Meaning that if some decide to judge them for not leaving, they certainly have the right to do so.
Clare wrote: "Some things being said sicken me. "I'd appreciate it if we didn't bog this thread down in discussions picking over meanings of words like bullying and harassment. With the likelihood of survivors reading the comments, it's just going to distress people, and there's enough distress and upset already with this entire business. It's clear enough what people are talking about, and if they're unclear, they should follow links and see what's being said for themselves and make their own mind up.
Clare, I'm sorry you have been upset by what's being said. Hopefully people will be a little more mindful going forward.
Tricia wrote: "I know that I’m going to have an unpopular opinion/question, but I think it needs to be asked. I’m not an author, publisher, agent or even a victim of Riptide; I’m a reader. I’m seeing a lot of sha..."As a reader, I would also love to know what the *victims* want from Riptide. As a woman of color, I've often observed the most extreme reactions come from well-meaning allies who get swept up in the power and furor of making a difference. It's frustrating and counter-productive when it happens. Because, inevitably, while it may be the allies who have driven the situation one or several steps too far, I'm the one who ends up getting the blame; being lumped in as a reactionary POC.
If our main concern is for those who have been victims in this situation, it seems like what we do in their names should be guided by them, rather than our own sense of outrage. Otherwise, we also are guilty of making ourselves the central issue, just as the authors and publishers we've been railing against.
Clare wrote: "Bullying does not only happen in the real world. "Yes, I know. Never said otherwise.
"By Alex's definition of bullying, a person who's bullied at school or work could leave their school or work, go to another school or work."
Absolutely not. That's not what I said, and it's the exact opposite of the truth.
As for the rest, words mean what they mean. I stand by what I said, and reject claims I said something else.
However, I'll honor Ann's wishes and not debate the issue.
YES some people have behaved abysmally, and many people have been hurt. YES people have been harassed, personally insulted, attacked, and caused harm. No, this is not ok.
I'll retire into lurking on this thread.
Authors are asking for their contracts with RT back from left and right. I think that is a good move. I Hope no substantial loss of monet or other harm will come to them.
My understanding is that different authors who suffered at Riptide want different things, which is not unexpected, as they are all very diffetent individuals. One whose views I have read over Twitter seems to think that Riptide as a company cannot be fixed and needs to be abandoned. Another has expressed a desire to get paid for work that they did but was not previously paid for. Thus, there is a wide spectrum of what people who were harmed by Riptide seem to want.
Pendragonish wrote: "Tricia wrote: "I know that I’m going to have an unpopular opinion/question, but I think it needs to be asked. I’m not an author, publisher, agent or even a victim of Riptide; I’m a reader. I’m seei..."^^^ this!!
I haven't seen any bullying of authors who have books with Riptide but I also haven't particularly gone looking to see what else is being said.As a customer of Riptide, I want to know what they're going to do moving forward and, if authors (and there seem to be many already doing so of their own volition) are moving their books elsewhere and Riptide does fall, it will be by their own sword.
As to where will all the new authors go? There are dozens of other small presses within the LGBTQ+ space and maybe some of those will get a chance to step out of the shadows.
Nine Star Press and Carina Press, Interlude, Manifold Press are just some off the top of my head.
There is also this fabulous thread on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...
Misty wrote: "http://manifoldblog.co.uk/an-importan... ..."Ah okay, thanks for the update, that's a shame.
Cadiva wrote: "Misty wrote: "http://manifoldblog.co.uk/an-importan... ..."Ah okay, thanks for the update, that's a shame."
Don't know what happened my post just vanished!
Manifold Press will be closing in May!
http://manifoldblog.co.uk/an-importan...
@Cadiva - I publish with and work for NineStar Press, and I can vouch for them. :) It's a great place - very welcoming and inclusive, and we aren't going anywhere any time soon!Here's NSP's mission statement:
Welcome to NineStar Press. We’re a boutique publisher of quality LGBTQA romance, erotica, and literary fiction, and we’re located in New Mexico, USA.
NineStar Press is an LGBTQA publisher owned and managed by LGBTQA people. We adore romance and erotic romance, but we also have an enormous interest in showcasing amazing literary works about characters less represented in fiction: ace, aro, trans*, nonbinary, genderfluid, bi, pan, etc. We also like genre-bending fiction, fusion genre, and stories that don’t quite fit into a particular category.
https://ninestarpress.com/about-us/
This has been posted on Facebook....https://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...
And what a fabulous post too....
Sera wrote: "@Cadiva - I publish with and work for NineStar Press, and I can vouch for them. :) It's a great place - very welcoming and inclusive, and we aren't going anywhere any time soon!Here's NSP's missi..."
I love Nine Star :) I review Nine Star stuff on my teeny blog (usually via Lori at IndiGo or via NetGalley)
Bev wrote: "This has been posted on Facebook....
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...
And what a fabulou..."
That's what I linked to earlier :) It's wonderful isn't it.
Cadiva wrote: "Sera wrote: "@Cadiva - I publish with and work for NineStar Press, and I can vouch for them. :) It's a great place - very welcoming and inclusive, and we aren't going anywhere any time soon!Here'..."
I'm glad you like us! We're like a little family. :D
Cadiva wrote: "...As to where will all the new authors go? There are dozens of other small presses within the LGBTQ+ space and maybe some of those will get a chance to step out of the shadows.Nine Star Press and Carina Press, Interlude, Manifold Press are just some off the top of my head.
There is also this fabulous thread on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...
This is absolutely AMAZING!
