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Why Celebrities Don't Just Stay in Their Lane

 

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That OTHER Troll Farm

 

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Steve DelRay - But, the shot DOES lessen the chance of hospitalization or death.

Muhammad Rasheed - Yeah?

How do you know?

Muhammad Rasheed - Not drinking, smoking or eating pork lessens the chance of hospitalization or death, too.
So?

Steve DelRay - I stopped drinking and smoking, and I feel better because of it. I have to pray on my weakness for stewed pork chops, though. The Soul Food Bistro is run by the Illuminati!

Steve DelRay - I go by the data I've read, and from the two ladies I know who had it. But, no, I don't "know."

Muhammad Rasheed - The two ladies you know who had what?

Steve DelRay - COVID.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol Okay, but what does that have to do with how you answered the "How do you know?" question?

Muhammad Rasheed - Are you just going to toss out pieces of info and expect me to fill in the rest myself?

Muhammad Rasheed - Explain how these two ladies having COVID-19 proves that the shot lessens the chances of hospitalization or death, please.

Steve DelRay - You know what, Rasheed? You're right. I yield to your unimpeachable logic and enlightenment....

Muhammad Rasheed - Steve, the point of this series of cartoons is that I just want to have a normal civil discussion about the subject without people gaslighting at me like they are 30+ yr COVID super-experts patronizing at everybody. I hate that gaslighty sh*t.
What's wrong with just talking about it and walking the info down like a normal discussion? Is that illegal now?

Muhammad Rasheed - At this point, I'm far more interested in WHY you responded the way you responded -- like you were insulted JUST BECAUSE I QUERIED into the material.

You don't think that's odd? Is COVID-19 'sacred' and untouchable? Only the right, authorized people can discuss it at all behind the scenes?

Steve DelRay - Basically, it's because with me, it's a moot point; I've gotten the shots already, and so far, I ain't sick or dead. That's all I ask of an inoculation. I remember vividly when parents were told that a measles shot was necessary to keep kids from contracting Rubella (German measles); I recall the bigass inoculation gun that they shot us with. I embarrassed my mom with I screamed. I was still screamin' after it had been over, and the nurse moved on to the next child. Still got a mark where I took the shot. I have never seen a public health situation be as politicized as this one has been. Even after prominent anti-vaxxers have shuffled off this mortal coil, folks are still saying this is some kinda plot to enslave mankind. Getting the vaccine seems like the sensible thing to do...

Muhammad Rasheed - Steve wrote: "Even after prominent anti-vaxxers have shuffled off this mortal coil, folks are still saying this is some kinda plot to enslave mankind."

This line right here is why it's worth having the discussion, since the point of it -- nor of continuously using real vaccinations as analogies for it -- do not support the data around the pandemic.
I'm not anti-vaxx. lol As an anti-racism artivist, I'm aware that whites used to couldn't even show up in Africa without dropping dead in a matter of weeks. Vaccination science changed that dramatically. So, calling me "anti-vaxx" just for wanting to have a civil discussion about a topic ("I don't wanna have a discussion about it because I GOT mine!" just can't be your actual position, can it? 🤨) by using the term in the exact same way that "antisemite" is weaponized, is deeply suspicious to me.
It means people are either collecting a check from their troll farm account, or they are brainwashed puppets. That's how it comes across.
Steve DelRay - Dawg, I wasn't calling you an anti-vaxxer; I just noticed that a few of the higher profile folks who were vocally against the vaccine died. But, after my mother--a woman who was a nurse for 30-some odd years, and had just got out of the hospital for an adverse reaction to the flu shot--she immediately told her therapist to give her the shot, and they suggested that I take one too, so I did. That is the full extent of my advocacy for the COVID shot: I took mine, you do YOU.

Muhammad Rasheed - Steve wrote: "Dawg, I wasn't calling you an anti-vaxxer;"

This wasn't my first attempt to have the discussion, Steve. I was talking generally.

Steve wrote: "I just noticed that a few of the higher profile folks who were vocally against the vaccine died."

We're in a pandemic in which people all over the world are dying from a deadly virus that was part of several experiments by Dr. Fauci's companies and affiliates. Being publicly for or against an aspect of the SARS-coronavirus-19 drama has zero bearing on whether you catch and die from a super-contagious deadly virus within a pandemic.

What's relevant here is that Fauci's team was not able to create an actual vaccination for the virus -- instead, they are experimenting with what they initially called "gene therapy." This means that instead of using the actual viral material from within the cell, they snap off one of the little corona spike-1 proteins sticking out from the cell and inject it hoping to activate an "immune-like response." That's the part right there that they hinge their "lessens the chance of hospitalization or death" tagline upon. It's NOT an actual vaccination that uses the dead material to get your body to create the antibodies against the actual disease -- they are NOT injecting the actual viral material into you so that can't happen -- but they are counting on tricking the body into almost creating antibodies sorta-kinda in a flinch reaction.








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Antisemitism: A Dirty Name for a Dirty Game

 

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Peter David - Whoopi Goldberg screwed up. She realized it, profoundly apologized for it and, oh yeah, CHOSE the Jewish sounding name of Goldberg. She was also a friend of Harlan, so how about we move on.

Nelson Hernandez - Please, she gets a free pass because she is from the left. Anyone else would have been fired.

Cancel culture is a sickness.

Christopher P. Hunt - @Nelson… Like Carhartt and Maus? Yeah...us libtards did that...

Jerry Chandler - @Nelson… Really? Anyone else? So, how many times over the many years she was on that show did Meghan McCain say incredibly stupid and outrageous things with a right leaning spin to them?

It's one thing for you to make an incorrect claim about a theoretical, but it's laughable to make such a claim about a show that gave us years of Meghan McCain's moments.

Nelson Hernandez - @Christopher… Whoopi should read it.

Nickolas Furr - So should most conservatives.

Nelson Hernandez - @Nickolas… Only the left think like this.



Nickolas Furr - Most of humanity thinks like this. We have a sickness in this country that denies it: conservatism.

Nelson Hernandez - @Nickolas… Well, that is the left talking right there, and Whoppi isnt a conservative, sooo.....

Nickolas Furr - Wow. This conversation really went over your head FAST, didn't it? You should reread this whole sub-thread.

I'm not talking about Whoopi. She actually seems contrite and I'm not worrying about her anymore. I am referring to the soul-sick and deranged idiots that go by the term "conservatives" and say things like, "oNLy tHe LeFt tHiNkS rAcIsM eXisTs," like you did.

Nelson Hernandez - @Nickolas… I will go back to talk about Whoppi. I notice you just want to talk about conservatives, and I dont care. Whoppi isnt a conservative. And again the left think, like Whoppi that racism is just black people and white people.



Muhammad Rasheed - @Nelson… 'Racism' within the United States of America, is absolutely about the ongoing economic oppression of the Black American former slave class by the dominant white identity group. Our centuries old peculiar 'race relations' conflict has never been solved because whites have refused to share wealth, land and rule with us -- that's the nature of the conflict. Remember, your group's response to the SCOTUS' Brown vs Board of Education decision was 'white flight,' to take your quality education toys and run to prevent desegregation of the schools, and the ever-complicit US gov just allowed you to do it into the present day.

Yet the position folk like you take is that 'racism has been solved and we are all equal in the USA' just because racism is technically illegal. This attitude is part of a long-con racketeering grift scheme against my people, which makes you a cancer upon society preventing true progress.

David Gerrold - Many years ago, I heard a story, I don't know if its true -- but the essence of it was that in Africa, the people saw WWII as white people killing white people.

I don't know what Whoopi was thinking, but I wonder if she couldn't see that the Holocaust was about the German perception of Jews as a race, because her own experience is that race is black and white.

But yeah, she does need a break.

Linda Robinett - @David… if I am examining the actions of people, I check their motives. A thinking person would ask, why did the Nazis kill Jews? A simple Google would have revealed that they thought the Jews were a different species and not real humans. Sounds like racism to me sine this is what white racists think of Black people. So her ignorance is inexcusable and kind of weird

Muhammad Rasheed - Linda wrote: "A simple Google would have revealed that they thought the Jews were a different species and not real humans."

lol Is that what they really thought, or was that the propaganda they invented to justify the evil? Obviously, it was the latter so the issue wasn't a "racism" problem at even a basic level since the Nazis and the European Jewish victims were all of the "European white race." 
Rigel Ailur - @Muhammad... "lol" really? So you find something in this subject worthy of laughter?

What you are calling "obvious" is 100% wrong Jews have been treated as a separate race for centuries. Nazis did nothing new by attacking them.

Muhammad Rasheed - Rigel wrote: "'lol' really? So you find something in this subject worthy of laughter?"

To be precise, I found something in Linda's comment worthy of laughing-out-loud, i.e., the "simple Google search" foolishness.

Rigel wrote: "What you are calling 'obvious' is 100% wrong"

That's a lie.

Rigel wrote: "Jews have been treated as a separate race for centuries."
Portions of the Jewish community have often set themselves apart from the greater communities they've lived among, but that doesn't mean they were "treated as a separate race" which is ridiculous when they were light-skinned, Caucasian phenotype Europeans living among other light-skinned, Caucasian phenotype Europeans. You're playing very loose & free with your use of the word "race." Do you have a problem with the definition the Jewish scholars themselves are using at the ADL?

Muhammad Rasheed - David wrote: "I don't know what Whoopi was thinking [...] because her own experience is that race is black and white."

Note that the definition of "racism" that this Nelson Hernandez guy keeps posting comes from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith themselves. lol Since the Jewish community themselves are defining the term along the lines of Black American racial oppression history that makes Whoopi's comment objectively true and not at all an attack against them, then why treat her like an enemy for her comment?

Deborah Fishburn - It's very American to assume the only thing that defines race, is skin colour. Africa has lots of 'races', all of whom are black.

Given that race is a ridiculous concept, designed to allow exclusion, and that all the definitions are wrong (we are all humans, indistinguishable from each other), defining race by skin colour is just as silly as defining it by your mother's religious upbringing.

Either you should allow for everyone's definition of race as a distinguishing feature to be valid, or you shouldn't. You don't get to decide whose definition to accept. Accept all of them, or none.

Muhammad Rasheed - Deborah wrote: "Africa has lots of 'races', all of whom are black."

Are you using "race" in place of "ethnic group?"

Deborah wrote: "Given that race is a ridiculous concept, designed to allow exclusion"

"Race" isn't the ridiculous concept. Discriminating against people for your own group's socio-economic gain is the ridiculous concept.

Deborah wrote: "and that all the definitions are wrong"

They are only wrong when they are deliberately used to mislead people for one group's socio-economic gain.

Deborah wrote: "(we are all humans, indistinguishable from each other)"

The One God said we were all created differently so we may learn from one another. Your personal philosophy doesn't make any sense.

Deborah wrote: "defining race by skin colour is just as silly"

Racial phenotype is defined using several physical traits, including hair texture, and fullness of varying facial features and other parts.

Deborah wrote: "as defining it by your mother's religious upbringing."

If one mother is teaching her kid to shoot up a church full of people her culture has indoctrinated itself into hating versus another mother who teaches her kid to be just & fair to everyone, I would think defining people thusly would hold great value.

Deborah wrote: "Either you should allow for everyone's definition of race as a distinguishing feature to be valid, or you shouldn't. You don't get to decide whose definition to accept. Accept all of them, or none."

You are advocating for people to randomly make up definitions for words as they see fit, which means your position lacks both logic & reason.

B. Clay Moore - I'd like to have seen this evolve into a discussion about race, ethnicity and religious identity, and maybe enlighten people on how systematically the Nazis worked to push the narrative that Jews were a separate, lesser "race," and how heavily they leaned into physical stereotypes while attempting to demonize an entire population. Sort of answer the questions raised by Goldberg's statements. Because I think a lot of people have zero grasp on any of these things, and they might reflexively agree with Goldberg's observation that "race" is technically different from ethnicity or religious identity. Explaining that we still echo the language the Nazis used to describe their persecution of Jews because that was the term they used to back their efforts to literally exterminate an entire ethnic group. But we don't really do discussion these days.

Muhammad Rasheed - B. Clay wrote: "how systematically the Nazis worked to push the narrative that Jews were a separate, lesser 'race'"

That's very different from them actually being a separate race.
B. Clay Moore - Exactly.

Tony Palmieri - Lol not even close to the punishment she deserves. Others would have been fired. Can’t do that in February though. We all know this.

Stig Å. Carlsson - @Tony Palmieri, Jailed for life, or........., lollollol

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony wrote: "We all know this."

We all know what? The Black American former slave class remains both politically disenfranchised and economically excluded. Symbolic gestures like fed holidays don't equal a political protected class like what the Jewish community enjoy.

Rigel Ailur - @Muhammad... You're still mistaken. Jewish people have been *driven out* of various places throughout history. "set themselves apart" is victim blaming.

It sounds like you are making the same error Goldberg did, but instead of *listening* to others and *learning* from history like she did, you are stubbornly doubling down and clinging to your mistake.

Whether through ignorance or malice (or some combination of the two) your posts are sounding more and more antisemitic.

Muhammad Rasheed - @Rigel... I didn't mean "driven out" when I said "set themselves apart." I meant having a community of Jewish people within the greater community they moved to.

Rigel wrote: "Whether through ignorance or malice (or some combination of the two) your posts are sounding more and more antisemitic."

I'm not antisemitic. Your posts sound like you are reading off a script and you don't care about the actual subject, you just want to shove your script down people's throats. As A Black American, I've had enough of that from selfish white people.

Catherine Yronwode - @Muhammad... [ARTICLE] A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans | Genome Biology

Muhammad Rasheed - @Catherine... So, the Nazis were trying to force the false narrative that the Jewish community were a separate race for their villainous purposes. Are you trying to find confirmation bias spin jobs in the scientific literature to likewise push such a narrative because you identify with the Nazi cause?

I guess we've magically decided the Nazis somehow had a point when you're trying to appropriate Civil Rights Movement Protected Class models for yourself while continuing to use gradualism/paternalism rhetoric and political schemes to keep the Black ethnic group you got the concept from economically excluded from American life, huh?

[ARTICLE] A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages | Nature 

Carnot Antonio Romero - @Muhammad... quick detail: the bit about defining "race" as based on "your mother's religious upbringing" is specifically a reference to the idea that you aren't Jewish unless your mother was Jewish. (Paternity being hard to prove once upon a time...)

Muhammad Rasheed - Carnot wrote: "quick detail: the bit about defining 'race' as based on 'your mother's religious upbringing'"

Should I consider it a coincidence that the U.S. chattel slave class was by law made to pass their slave status down through their children through the mother since the slave holders fathered new slaves with rape after the trans-atlantic restrictions were put in place? They were getting the inspired concept from somewhere, aye?

Rigel Ailur - @Muhammad... I know you meant "set apart" *instead of* "driven out". And that's the problem. Because they aren't the same thing, and it's the "driven out" that shows they're a target.

"shove my script" You know that's a dog whistle, right? Attempting to diminish what someone says by calling it a "script" or an "agenda" and saying they are attempting to "force" it on poor innocent others. I'm responding to what you're posting, nothing more, and nothing less.

Standing up for Jews makes me "selfish"? Interesting perspective. Regardless, I will continue to do so, just like I stand up for all minorities including blacks. It is equally unacceptable when racists claim blacks are at fault and make themselves targets. I'm equally vocal that that is bullshit.

Muhammad Rasheed - Rigel wrote: "I know you meant 'set apart' *instead of* 'driven out'"

Do you? Because you specifically conflated the two in order to force a fake point.

Rigel wrote: "And that's the problem. Because they aren't the same thing"

You think?

Rigel wrote: "and it's the "driven out" that shows they're a target."

My people have been exploited/plundered for a continuous 400 yrs now. That's what being a target looks like in the modern era.

Rigel wrote: "'shove my script' You know that's a dog whistle, right?"

I know it's what you're doing every time you post at me.

Rigel wrote: "Attempting to diminish what someone says"

It was diminished when I found it.

Rigel wrote: "by calling it a 'script' or an 'agenda' and saying they are attempting to 'force' it on poor innocent others."

I'm the referenced 'innocent other' and you are assaulting me with your commitment to nonsense.

Rigel wrote: "I'm responding to what you're posting, nothing more, and nothing less."

Meanwhile, you've committed to doubling-down on your dog-eared scripted agenda or whatever for 'Likes' from your brethren.

Rigel wrote: "Standing up for Jews makes me 'selfish?'"

No. Standing up for grift schemes does though. For the usual reasons.

Rigel Ailur - You're not even maintaining any semblance of logic any more. Grift? You're calling the Holocaust a "grift"? Or you're calling acknowledging Jews are victims of racism a grift? Either stance is profoundly wrong. Not just incorrect, but morally wrong.

Poor you, being called out for antisemitism when all you're doing is saying Jews aren't *really* targets, and aren't a race, and how dare they complain when they weren't enslaved like Blacks, and have the temerity to sometimes prefer keeping to themselves.

First, it's not a competition among *any* minorities.

Second, learn something from Goldberg's apology and from those here, especially Jewish people, explaining to you why almost everything you've said is antisemitic despite your empty claims to the contrary.

All your doubling down just makes you look doubly ignorant—deliberately so, at this point.

Muhammad Rasheed - Rigel wrote: "You're not even maintaining any semblance of logic any more."

So, you're incapable of understanding logic. Got it.

Rigel wrote: "Grift? You're calling the Holocaust a 'grift?'"

No. I'm calling appropriating the Civil Rights Movement Protected Class status created for the Black American former slave class for yourself while continuing to economically oppress Black Americans with gradualism/paternalism racist rhetoric the grift scheme. Try to keep up.

Rigel wrote: "Or you're calling acknowledging Jews are victims of racism a grift?"

To be clear, white people deciding to go along with "separate race" Nazi propaganda so they can grift the Civil Rights Movement is a grift scheme.

Rigel wrote: "just like I stand up for all minorities including blacks."

You might stand up for communist Chinese and Black immigrants. You've never stood up for the Black American former slave class.

Rigel wrote: "It is equally unacceptable when racists claim blacks are at fault and make themselves targets. I'm equally vocal that that is bullshit."

I have zero reason to believe you ever do that. You are a liar.

Michael Lovins - Everyone misspeaks now and then. My issue is that the holocaust was racial. Ethnic.

Raymond Tyler - @Michael... I would have accepted if she initially said "It was racial but not racist"
Or better yet decided to comment on the children of color in cages in the name of immigration or the school to prison pipeline

Muhammad Rasheed - @Michael... She didn't "misspeak." Her point was that the tragedy of the Holocaust had greater application as an example of humans being evil to other humans. This is objectively true. The blowback she received is based on the Jewish community presenting itself as a Civil Rights Movement Protected Class expressed as a 'thought police' monopoly on how their tragedy is allowed to be used in mass media.

The disturbing part of this whole controversy is that the Civil Rights Movement Protected Class speak the Jewish community is aping in this situation was originally created for Whoopi's own ethnic group, who today still has that status withheld from them (see: Reparations; Economic Inclusion).

Unbeholden: Free to See Things as They Are

 

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The Recipe for Common Racist Deceit

 

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False Flag #3 of 3: Why are the Numbers So Close If I'm 'Inherently Broken' While You 'sUpErIoR-eYeCuIsTs' Have the Best Opportunities Racketeering Can Steal?

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False Flag #2 of 3: Pretending Funding Inquiries into the Most Popular False-Front Org has Relevance to True Anti-Racism

 

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False Flag #1 of 3: Pretending I Matter to You

 

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Hoarding All That is Good

 

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Aggressive Recruiting for the Global Human Experimentation

 

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Alexander Shapiro - 3,809 people died of COVID today.

Get vaccinated. Get boosted.

Beth Wheatley - My hubby died of covid on 01 january this year, eventhough he was vaccinated of two doses, one thing he did not have is the booster as he kept on delaying it.

Alexander Shapiro - I’m so sorry, Beth.

Thank you for the reminder of the importance of boosters. I will now amend my post.

And again, I am very sorry for your loss.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Beth... Can you catch COVID if you have the boosters?

Carman Benoit - @Muhammad... yes you can have “break through” case (as this was with double vaccination). But it reduces the risk.

Muhammad Rasheed - @Carman... It reduces the risk of what?

Alexander Shapiro - @Muhammad... it reduces the risk of being hospitalized or dying of COVID.

Carman Benoit - of catching Covid.

Even measles has a small risk of breakthrough in a vaccinated person. My generation only received 1 dose. When my kid’s school had an outbreak I went in for a booster to decrease my risk of a breakthrough case even further.

If you have the means to increase your defenses to these viruses it is wise to do so.

Muhammad Rasheed - Carman wrote: "of catching Covid."

Curious.

Carman wrote: "Even measles..."

This has nothing to do with measles. The gene therapy materials are still in experimentation status as they try to get the virus under control with global human test trials.

Carman wrote: "If you have the means to increase your defenses to these viruses it is wise to do so."

That makes sense in theory, but unfortunately the experimental vaccinations do not prevent us from getting COVID at all, but like Alex said, it only reduces the risk of being hospitalized from severe symptoms.

Alexander Shapiro - but you know this. I don’t get it. Why are you playing dumb—with a woman who lost her husband?

Muhammad Rasheed - Some very definitive-sounding statements were made in this thread that gave me the impression that brand new information had come to light. Benoit's 'Like' of your question confirmed what I initially thought. I was checking in for confirmation.

No offense intended for the lady who lost a loved one.

Alexander Shapiro - “ONLY” reduces the risk of being hospitalized with severe symptoms. And “ONLY” reduces, many times, your risk of dying from COVID. That is a big “ONLY”.

And all vaccines were “experimental”: Polio, small pox, save millions and at the time were less able to be tested and researched as well as COVID vaccines are with modern methods and technologies.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "And all vaccines were 'experimental.'”

"Were."

This one still is. This is not insignificant.

Carman Benoit - @Muhammad... the current most common VOC is more virulent for sure. And the vaccinations are far less efficient with omicron ( booster makes a big difference) But there are strains that are previous strains still circulating that the vaccinations do provide good immunity to. Not to mention there are likely strains not taking hold and becoming VOCs as a result. And of course taking more prophylactic steps is really important especially in the face of a more virulent strain.

But I have to echo Alexander on this. Why are you taking this fight, to the table of a grieving woman.

Alexander Shapiro - They “were” and they had to be. That’s the nature of treatments and vaccines developed under a global emergency. And they were successfully used. And saved millions of lives just like the COVID vaccines are.

Why you playing with semantics here on my page, Muhammad?

The important thing is for people to get vaccinated and boosted. Not to engage in word play that tries to discourage that.

Muhammad Rasheed - Carman wrote: "But there are strains that are previous strains still circulating that the vaccinations do provide good immunity to."

The CDC instructed the medical community to reduce the amount of reporting, which affects our knowledge of the data analysis. What we know for sure is that the experimental vaccinations do not [yet] prevent catching COVID -- which is what a "vaccine" is supposed to do. I'm thinking we should go back to calling it "experimental gene therapy" until they actually start working, but of course that's just me.

Carman wrote: "Why are you taking this fight, to the table of a grieving woman."

We're all grieving. It's a pandemic and many of us have lost close loved ones. One would think that during a pandemic the discussion would be relevant wheresoever the topic appeared.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "They 'were' and they had to be."

Well, right now those listed are all officially "vaccinations" since they actually prevent one from contracting their respective diseases. The S1 experimental gene therapy doesn't do that, so there's no real reason to keep conflating the two categories until the latter manages to upgrade its status.

Alexander wrote: "And saved millions of lives just like the COVID vaccines are."

To be clear, the experimental S1 gene therapy does NOT prevent us from catching COVID.

Alexander wrote: "Why you playing with semantics here on my page, Muhammad?"

I'm just having the discussion. Why are you being so defensive? Do you hold stock in Dr. Fauci's company?

Alexander wrote: "The important thing is for people to get vaccinated and boosted."

Presumably so that the shear bodies in the global human test trials can move forward in finally making the thing work. It should be framed in that way instead of bullying people into being experimental test subjects with lies & deceit.

Alexander wrote: "Not to engage in word play that tries to discourage that."

It seemed like the people in this thread were already committed. I was just checking in for my own understanding based on you lot's comments.

Alexander Shapiro - @Muhammad... No. stopping infection is not what vaccines “are supposed to do”. Vaccines are meant to keep people from getting severely I’ll and dying. The flu vaccine is a perfect example.

I knew when I posted this, some anti-vaxxer , conspiracy theorist, misinformer would show up and start their bullshit, but I never in a million years thought it would be you.

Carman Benoit - @Muhammad... She lost her husband 28 days ago. I repeat 28 days ago. For real, it is beyond harsh and insensitive. Sure go ahead have these discussions somewhere if you want and are so committed to doing to it. There are lots of people out there who will gladly banter with you. But of all the people you chose to reply to, to have this “discussion”? Not even straight up to Alexanders post. You honed in on the woman deep in her fresh grief. I cannot understand why’d you think that was the most apps place to start “your discussion”.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "anti-vaxxer , conspiracy theorist, misinformer"

I'm not any of those things. As I said we've all lost love ones and I'm VERY interested in the truth around the subject and saw what seemed to be new information being passed around in the thread.

Obviously, the subject has people shook to varying levels of civility and reason when it comes to just having a dialogue about it.

Alexander Shapiro - Ok Muhammad. Let’s just add another tombstone or two here. One that says, “The Vaccine is Experimental”, and one that says, “Fauci’s Making a Profit”, better yet, how about one that says, “I won’t be bullied”-I like the irony of that one….



Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "Let’s just add another tombstone or two here. One that says, 'The Vaccine is Experimental,'"

???

Do you now believe it isn't experimental? That's the entire point of everyone needing to get vaccinated. Did I miss a post from you?

Alexander wrote: "and one that says, 'Fauci’s Making a Profit'"

Are you offended that I quipped about his company or are you offended that he's making a profit? He's one of the patent holders. Is bringing that up a problem? Why?

Alexander wrote: "better yet, how about one that says, 'I won’t be bullied'-I like the irony of that one…."

I don't get it. What's the nature of the irony? Do you feel bullied?

Alexander Shapiro - @Muhammad... “Civility”. Interesting coming from a man who hassles a grieving widow about her pandemic experience.

I suppose “civility” is subjective.

You’re not just having a dialogue about it. You have said several things that aren’t accurate. And you have suggested conspiracy theories about Fauci and medical authorities and government and the media being untruthful.

My guess is you’re probably not vaccinated.

Alexander Shapiro - ..no. YOU said people shouldn’t feel bullied into taking the vaccine. You’re good at quoting others. But you don’t pay attention to what you yourself said.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "No. stopping infection is not what vaccines 'are supposed to do.'"


Muhammad Rasheed - Right now I'm just interested in the reason for your over-the-top defensiveness and insults. Obviously it has nothing to do with the "grieving widow" thing since she hasn't said anything in 20+ posts -- I'm only talking to you and Benoit.

Muhammad Rasheed - So, what's your REAL problem?

Alexander Shapiro - @Muhammad... Vaccines provide antibodies which prevent severe illness and death. They CAN provide immunity. But that is not their only purpose.

The idea here is to keep people from dying. Not scrutinizing dictionary definitions. But you don’t seem to get that.
Alexander Shapiro - She hasn’t said anything because she isn’t in the mood to debate an anti-vacxer after her husband died from Loy being boosted, Muhammad.

Not everyone has to indulge your conspiracy theories, misinformation, and instigation.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "They CAN provide immunity. But that is not their only purpose."

I just posted the formal Oxford Dictionary definition of the term which unambiguously states that it does provide immunity. Your desperate twist to make it what you want to make it is not needed or respected.

Tell me what your problem is, Alex. You're acting irrational.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "he hasn’t said anything because"

Irrelevant. After 30 posts, she wasn't a factor in the discussion at all since she wasn't participating in it.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "an anti-vacxer"

lol Are you making up a new surprise twist definition for that, too (to go along with your radical new spelling)? I'm not anti-vaccination at all.

Muhammad Rasheed - What's your problem? Did a real anti-vaxxer kill your parents when you came out of the theatre after watching Zorro?

Muhammad Rasheed - (probably)

Carman Benoit - @Muhammad... it was obvious that you left a baited question from the beginning to start a debate. I’m very conscious that the last thing I needed in any of my grieving times is someone doing that. Trying to push someone’s buttons to get them to debate while in the height of their grief is kind of picking a target you know is emotional and may respond emotionally. I figured if you were going to start an inflamed argument I wasn’t going to just leave it at her feet to navigate alone.

Alexander Shapiro - @Muhammad... “The Oxford dictionary definition”

Is the Oxford dictionary where you get all your medical info? Or do you also watch Joe Rogan on YouTube?

I’m not irrational. Would you like me to post about a hundred links from reputable sources that show that vaccination prevents people from getting severely ill and dying and not being vaccinated results in much, much, greater chance of death? Do you want me to post a hundred links from reputable sources that confirm the effectiveness and safety of vaccines?

The idea is to stop people from dying.

Get vaccinated Muhammad. I’d hate to see you go the way if all the antivax talk show hosts, politicians, and “activists” who said the same shit you say who are now dead from COVID.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "Is the Oxford dictionary where you get all your medical info?"

Did you see the screencapture I posted? Obviously, I looked up the formal definition and posted it. Note that it directly contradicted what you claimed.

Tell me why I should accept your adorable and comically flexible definition for vaccine over the formal dictionary one. Get closer to the mic, please.

Alexander wrote: "I’m not irrational."

Do you have your own personal working definition for that, too?

Alexander wrote: "Would you like me to post [...] from reputable sources"

I'm amused that you'd assume you held any credibility whatsoever with me at this point. Are you paying attention to what you actually post? It's NOT good...

Alexander wrote: "that show that vaccination prevents people from getting severely ill and dying and not being vaccinated results in much, much, greater chance of death?"

A "vaccine" does a very specific thing that the COVID shots do not do, per the formal definition of the term. Does the COVID experimental vaccine provide immunity? No. That means, more experiments need to be done until it can get there, hopefully sooner rather than later. This is the root cause for why people like you and Benoit are pressuring people to get it done, not because it actually works yet. Being truthful is better than sloppy deceit. FYI.

Alexander wrote: "Do you want me to post a hundred links from reputable sources that confirm the effectiveness and safety of vaccines?"

Irrelevant.

Alexander wrote: "The idea is to stop people from dying."

The idea is to keep people from contracting COVID which can lead to complications that can include death. You need to work on your medical practitioner spiel.

Alexander wrote: "Get vaccinated Muhammad."

Does the COVID experimental vaccination prevent people from getting COVID? I know it's been a while since we last discussed that part. I'm trying to see something...

Alexander wrote: "I’d hate to see you go the way if all the antivax talk show hosts, politicians, and 'activists' who said the same shit you say who are now dead from COVID."

None of those folks are saying what I'm saying in this thread since you are over-the-top defensively not actually hearing me and throwing your canned rhetoric at me. Should it be my turn to be disappointed in you now?

Muhammad Rasheed - Carman wrote: "it was obvious that you left a baited question from the beginning to start a debate."

It wasn't baited at all... it was a clear Y/N question. You're the one who decided to lie in one of my follow up questions. Don't project at me for your sloppiness.

Carman wrote: "I wasn’t going to just leave it at her feet to navigate alone."

Irrelevant since Mrs. Wheatley hasn't participated in the discussion at all. The only point to continuously bringing it up is to misdirect from the far more interesting real discussion about the subject you're trying to squirm away from.

Muhammad Rasheed - Please note, you two, that Mrs. Wheatley decided not to respond to my question. That means, if you hadn't responded either, then there wouldn't have been a "debate."

Take the hint.

Carolyn Watson Dubisch - The reason we know that the vaccines work is that they are charging poor countries to get them.

Muhammad Rasheed - The patent holders and their licensees literally charged everybody to get them. If some countries couldn't afford the price Fauci & Co. demanded, then there's a 99.99999% chance they were pressured to take out a loan with the IMF or World Bank...

...and good luck to them. #yikes
Alexander Shapiro - @Muhammad... After this final comment I will make to you, I myself am going to “take the hint” and no longer respond to your international conspiracy theories involving banks, the government, Fauci, the media, and the cover up of dangerous, ineffective experimental vaccines all for profit. You are like a veritable shit fountain of hypocrisy and anti-vaccination propaganda.
Beth Wheatley doesn’t owe you a response of any kind after your insensitive and obnoxious comments. She has been the smartest person here for ignoring you.
You complain about being insulted and then set out to insult everyone in the thread.
You’ve said your peace. You’ve got your vaccine conspiracy propaganda out there. trolling my page to do it. But it’s enough. One more comment from you in this thread and they all will be deleted. I’ve let you undermine the spirit of my post, on my own page enough.

Muhammad Rasheed - "trolling my page to do it."

Your comment was on my Newsfeed. lol

Alexander Shapiro - @Muhammad... A newsfeed that shows my personal Facebook post. You do know how all this works don’t you?

Muhammad Rasheed - @Alexander... lol Apparently you don't. When I come onto FB, I'm on the main Newsfeed where I scroll down looking at the random posts. Yours was one of those.

Alexander Shapiro - ”lol”. The last refuge of a lost argument.

Muhammad Rasheed - ("random" according to whatever algorithm magic FB uses anyway)

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "'lol.' The last refuge of a lost argument."
It also means "laugh out loud" in Internet land. lol
#OccamsRazor

Alexander Shapiro - I’ll give you this, Muhammad. You certainly made a splash. I’ve been getting DMs asking me who the imbecile anti-vaxxer is.

...but like I said, “one more comment” and we’re past that now…so…

Muhammad Rasheed - 

lol I'm not an "anti-vaxxer." You can let them know that.
Muhammad Rasheed - @Alexander... My favorite part was where you simply expected me to accept your made up definition of "vaccination" over the formal dictionary definition because...
...why? 
Because you're a white guy saying it? I rejected your clear foolishness and apparently that's why the Left has labeled me an 'imbecile' and an 'idiot.'
I refused to blindly accept a willfully ignorant (with a mysterious agenda) white man at face value, so I'm an 'imbecile/idiot.'
Powerful stuff. And very on brand.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alexander wrote: "Beth Wheatley doesn’t owe you a response of any kind..."
I never said she did. It's actually a strawman effigy to pretend like it, too. Note that I did point out that if you and Benoit hadn't [sloppily] engaged there wouldn't have been a discussion about it with me at all.
Thanks for playing.