Muhammad Rasheed's Blog, page 230

The Internal Enemy

1.) Cypher from The Matrix represents the guy that prefers to live in the old conditions that the group is struggling to free themselves from. He will betray you to prevent your mission from being successful.


2.) Stephen from Django Unchained represents the guy that loves the enemy, has gained their trust, and actually considers himself one of them. He can easily pass as a member of the group, but he is actually proudly one of the external enemy, and actively hates and resents the group.

3.) Koba from Rise of the Planet of the Apes represents the guy that has nothing to lose, and wants to lead the group into a suicidal attack on the enemy, even though such actions will definitely lead to the group's extinction. Koba doesn't give a shit though.

4.) Damon Wayan's In Living Color character represents the guy that thinks he's smart, but is dumb as a stone. Often charismatic, he distracts the gullible members of the group from the real issues with his fake "deep" bullshit.

5.) Bernie Madoff represents the ever-present criminal element. The very epitome of selfishness, the only thing the dedicated criminal cares about more than his own material needs, is his extremely risky plan to achieve them at your expense.

6.) Meyer Lansky represents the guy – with his infamous betrayal of Lucky Luciano – the outsider who lives among you, pretending to care about everything you care about, but only hangs out with you so that he can take advantage of opportunities that you present for the benefit of his own group alone. He will cut your throat and get rid of you the second you are no longer useful to him, so he can rewrite history and pretend everything he got from you, originated from him.

Rogues Gallery

Muhammad Rasheed – (suspects that Michael Balance Williams, Clifton Hatchett, and Tony Steed are one guy with three social media accounts)

Tony Steed - I do have another FB account. My Photography one. Curious World Photography. I don't hide from people behind fake names or multiple ID's. :P
Muhammad Rasheed - lol

Muhammad Rasheed - This is mostly a faux-critique aimed at an ideology that is infesting the Internet at large that I often butt heads against, and not an attempt to pin you with any covert activity charges, Tony. hahaha

Clifton Hatchett - I have an art page, but it say's Cliff Hatchett's art...lol, what in the hell...

Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahahaha!

Muhammad Rasheed - I swear somtimes you three act EXACTLY THE SAME. Like you study from the same Facebook instruction manual.

Michael Balance Williams - He's reaching. He's trying to start something he can't finish.

Muhammad Rasheed - I ALWAYS finish my battles, sir.

And you 3 are aware of that better than most. ;)

Clifton Hatchett - lol...A persistent nuisance...Why are you up to your old tricks...lol

Michael Balance Williams - You have a one of a kind patented ignorance that only you can license. Muhammad Rasheed

He wants us all to debate so he can attack us personally. Sound familiar anyone? He's on one of my posts now trying to tear me down by attacking my character.
A Common False Correlation

Clifton Hatchett - You finish battles by loosing. A finish for sure, but disadvantageous for yourself.

Muhammad Rasheed - Omigosh, this is so fun!

Why didn't I think of this earlier?

Muhammad Rasheed - Gosh!! Neil P could be your leader..!

Clifton Hatchett - You ridiculous.

Muhammad Rasheed - "Will the three Knuckleheads of Doom prove smart enough to join forces and put M. Rasheed in his place once and for all??? Stay tuned at this same Bat-Time, on this same Bat-Station!!"

Muhammad Rasheed - I'll let you three fight it out to determine which one is which.

Muhammad Rasheed - [throws broken pool stick on floor]

Clifton Hatchett - You'll never hold the ring again Muhammad. You are delusional.

Michael Balance Williams - Glad this is comical for you. 

Michael Balance Williams - Lmmfaorotdflol 

Muhammad Rasheed -  :D
Michael Balance Williams - He's legally married to his ignorance. We all know he needs that ring. Shall we continue to play hot potato with it?
Clifton Hatchett - I'm always game. Nice to know he plays the part of crash dummy for someone else, I was starting to feel like a bully.
Michael Balance Williams - Lol
Michael Balance Williams - He gets off on our replies.
Clifton Hatchett - That's anti-good.
Michael Balance Williams - You're anti-wrong
Muhammad Rasheed - You know I can read this, right?
You should workout your battle strategies in a PM. Seriously.
Muhammad Rasheed - *snicker*
Clifton Hatchett - You win debates like Apollo won fighting The Russian.
Michael Balance Williams - We work in synergy without the need to PM in the AM or PM!
Muhammad Rasheed - ^The Riddler
Michael Balance Williams - Rat Man ^^^
Snicker?
Clifton Hatchett - Don't insult the rats.

A Common False Correlation

Michael Balance Williams - If blacks were and still are 3/5ths human and more animal like according to Christian laws of the land and sea, where is/was PETA when we need(ed) you the MOST????
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "....according to Christian laws of the land and sea..."
???
Muhammad Rasheed - What?
Adreana Hbg Shavers - Where....um...waa...o_0
Twalla MissVirgo Rogers - Lol
Michael Balance Williams - What? What? Lol Did I say something?
Michael Balance Williams - You can't ship slaves legally without laws.
Muhammad Rasheed - "Christian" laws?
Define the term, please.
Muhammad Rasheed - Within this context.
Admon Smetler - LMAO
Michael Balance Williams - Animals have more rights in this country than brown and black folks. Mike Vick's case Vs. Darren Wilson's [drops mic]
Muhammad Rasheed - Stop. Retrieve that mic, please.
Define what's "Christian" about the international slave trade. You are not yet clear.
Muhammad Rasheed - At the moment it seems odd that you randomly stuck that word in there.
It would've made more sense if you said "European colonialist laws of the land & sea" instead.
Michael Balance Williams - Buddhists didn't transport slaves to and fro. Christians and Muslims did. I'm not your teacher. You're your own teacher. If you're curious, decipher and weigh the info like I have.
Muhammad Rasheed - Christianity is 2,000 years old. Islam is 1,500 years old. The international slave trade that brought Africans to America under a unique chattel slave institution based on race was only a few centuries old. If the laws of that system were "Christian," why didn't it begin 2,000 years ago and endure until the present? Why was it abolished? Why did Europe abolish them first? Why have there been legions of Christians & Muslims throughout the last 2,000 years who didn't own slaves, fought against the practice, and even freed them whenever they could?
And no, you are not my teacher.
Muhammad Rasheed - Show me in the bible where it says black people are "more animal like" where these so-called "Christian laws" were derived, please.
Michael Balance Williams - You have to be enslaved mentally, first. Who says we're free?
The African Sub Saharan slave trade (which no one talks about) by the hands of Muslim Arabs lasted 1200yrs. The transatlantic slave trade lasted over 400yrs. At what point will blacks stop praying to their slave masters god? You can't pray to your slave masters god and expect freedom. The mentality/system that enslaved you mentally and physically can't free you mentally and physically. Stop rubbing your eyes and wake up.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: “You have to be enslaved mentally, first. Who says we're free?”
More to the point, who asked a question about mental enslavement at all?  Are you even going to bother defending your position, or do you plan to duck questions like Neo ducking bullets?   
Michael Balance Williams wrote: “The African Sub Saharan slave trade (which no one talks about)”
Notice that it didn’t have anything to do with your status post, nor any of the questions asked of you that you are conspicuously ducking?  Is that the usual reason that you find people don’t talk about it, because you like using it as a clumsy misdirection tool?  We can talk about it all you wish as soon as you get back to the point and make yourself clear of this other item.
Michael Balance Williams wrote: “…by the hands of Muslim Arabs lasted 1200yrs.”
So?  Are you supposed to be implying that the practice IS Islam?    There are also Christian and Muslim software engineers.  Does that mean software engineering is also Christian and Islamic based?
Michael Balance Williams wrote: “The transatlantic slave trade lasted over 400yrs.”
Why did it stop since Christianity didn’t stop and you claimed that they were “Christian laws?”
Michael Balance Williams wrote: “At what point will blacks stop praying to their slave masters god?”
At what point will you start making sense?
Michael Balance Williams wrote: “You can't pray to your slave masters god and expect freedom.”
You can’t speak on subjects that you are clearly extremely uninformed on and expect to impart any kind of knowledge except the depths of your own ignorance.
Michael Balance Williams wrote: “The mentality/system that enslaved you mentally and physically can't free you mentally and physically. Stop rubbing your eyes and wake up.”
At the moment it is you who are broadcasting your mental enslavement to the world.  Spreading a confused and false message about a system, when you obviously have not a clue what that system actually teaches about the concepts you are against, is the stance of the proud fool.
Michael Balance Williams - I see you like attacking my character. Says a lot about you. Unfriend me if I'm so confused. I'm not attacking you personally. Did I strike a nerve?
Ogidi Musso James - Mr Balance, you just need to realise the difference between Christianity and Europeans (or Whites). Likewise, the difference between Arabs and Islam. Nowhere in the Bible or Koran was it authorised for "believers" to enslave others and maltreat them.
Take for instance, the 1978 mass (suicide) murder orchestrated by Rev Jim Jones in JonesTown, Guyana, do you condemn Christianity or the barbarism of an ogre who called himself a "man of God"? Was it ever possible he got his inspiration from the Bible? Likewise, many Muslims today insist Islam is a religion of peace and outrightly condemn Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists Worldwide.
Michael Balance Williams - @Mr. Ogidi Musso James... I disagree? Don't be so sure. I'm only pointing to the truth. I no longer waste my time buying a ticket for people to the facts. People will believe what they will along the way.
I know of and personally know scholars that have don't the hard work and research to what I speak of.
Look at some of the house of consciousness debates that 'Polight' is in and then get back with me.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "I see you like attacking my character. Says a lot about you. Unfriend me if I'm so confused. I'm not attacking you personally. Did I strike a nerve?"
lol Michael from where I stand, a person who has literally no idea what the Islamic rules are regarding slavery, and acts like slavery didn't exist at all until Christianity began,who tells me to "wake up," is a fool. This is not an attack on your character, it is merely the picture you are painting of yourself.
I'm just naming the painting you present.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "I'm only pointing to the truth."
Then why are you so afraid to explore it? What do the religions themselves say about slavery if you are so sure of your "truths?"
Answer the question and reveal what facts you actually know.
Michael Balance Williams - Don't piss on me and call it rain. You're trying to discredit me and what I know because you think you know all the answers. If YOU have never researched what I've researched, why discredit me and my info that you have not received yet? Ignorance.
I only debate my equals and as of right now, Muhammad is < my equal.
I'll give you some info since I'm your target. I don't have to duck to see your ignorance.
Michael Balance Williams - Since you're so ignorant, I'll try to teach you a thing a two.
Ogidi Musso James - Lol.
Michael Balance Williams - @Muhammad… @Ogidi…
Did you know that Muhammad had black slaves in the Qu'ran?
"Muslim 3901 - Muhammad trades away two black slaves for one Muslim slaveChapter 44: PERMISSIBILITY OF SELLING AN ANIMAL FOR AN ANIMAL OF ITS KIND BY SUPERIORITYBook 010, Number 3901:Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)" -Islam
Michael Balance Williams - Start the video at 45mins**Warning** Heavy knowledge pass this sentence...
http://youtu.be/oXojWPvdu2w
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "Don't piss on me and call it rain."
Did you really think you would get to call me "mentally enslaved to my slave god" because I know my religion and book while you don't, and not get called a fool in return? Do you really think the insult started from my end? lol
Michael Balance Williams - Say what you will.
You'll see from this video that all Muslims are really Christians.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "You're trying to discredit me and what I know because you think you know all the answers."
I asked you a point blank queston regarding the sources of the systems you are against, and you conspicously didn't answer them. Am I to realisically believe someone who wants to walk around pretending they're smart on a topic wouldn't simply answer a simple and fundamental question on that topic if they really knew the answer? Is this my very first discussion thread?
Michael Balance Williams wrote: "If YOU have never researched what I've researched, why discredit me and my info that you have not received yet? Ignorance."
Because I know Islam & Christianity and what they teach and don't teach, while you only pretend to. It's not hard to recognize the fool once he starts running his suck. Take a bow.
Michael Balance Williams wrote: "I only debate my equals and as of right now, Muhammad is < my equal."
lol
Michael Balance Williams wrote: "I'll give you some info since I'm your target. I don't have to duck..."
...and yet you keep doing it. Curious.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "You'll see from this video that all Muslims are really Christians."
Let me save you the energy: One of the 5 Pillars of Belief in Al-Islam is "Belief in All the Prophets." This means that as a Muslim, I am obligated to believe in the mission of all the messengers of God through whom the sacred revelation was revealed. I believe that all of the prophets were instructed by their Lord to teach us in scripture and wisdom, and show us how to walk it out on earth. This includes the Christ Jesus, son of Mary who did not have an earthly father.
In other words, I wouldn't even BE a Muslim if I did not love Jesus, and recognize his message as true. And since the Qur'an corrects those corrupted items in the previous scriptures, and clears Jesus' name of the blasphemies assigned to him, as a Muslim I am literally more Christian in my beliefs than any of those who wear the actual title.
Muhammad Rasheed - I hope that helps.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams quoted: “There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)"
lol  So where was he supposed to have gotten the “black slaves” from?  It is well known that the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) only ever had one slave, and upon receiving his prophethood commission, freed and adopted him as his legal heir.  Obviously this hadith is among the unauthentic class.  I challenge you to explain the origin of these "black slaves" in a coherent, logical argument.
Now I will enlighten you as to what Islam actually preaches about slavery (or more accurately, 'lead this horse to water').  Tell me what the Qur’an --the Word of God and most important text in the faith that the prophet “walked out perfectly” --says about slavery.  Tell me if you know. 
Michael Balance Williams -
Challenge denied.
Michael Balance Williams - Btw He had multiple slaves
Muhammad Rasheed - He had one slave, Michael.
Muhammad Rasheed - Tell me why he freed that one slave and adopted him as his son based on the tenants of Al-Islam.
Tell me if you know.
Michael Balance Williams - Oh really? Is that what you believe or is that what you know?
Muhammad Rasheed - It's what I know based on the biography of the prophet's life.
Muhammad Rasheed - Zayd was the name of his former slave. He was the only one.
Michael Balance Williams - It seems as though you have the time to be a fb scholar most of your day and you like to troll a lot of your fb friends posts and try to correct their every word. Why don't you answer your own questions for me since you're giving cyber dissertations? I don't have that kind of time. I don't want to humor you. You're not interested in learning anything knew from our public and private convos, so why have a convo?
If you can't respect me, then you have an issue. When we first became friends on fb you knew that I wasn't bound by any thought form as you continued to like my posts as I returned the favor in kind. Again, delete me if you're bent on being an ads hold. Your practice of Islam is not a peaceful one from what I can tell. Please refrain from attacking me personally or I will delete you. You started attacking my character last week. I didn't start it...you did.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael there's a difference between not being "bound by any thought form" versus deliberate misrepresentation of a thought form based on shoddy research. You should be aware that the latter can be deeply offensive if it steps on the toes of someone's most sacred beliefs.
Just as an FYI for the future.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "You're not interested in learning anything knew from our public and private convos..."
I learn new stuff all the time. I think it's unreasonable for you to present false information that conflicts with solid scholarship and then have the nerve to get offended because I don't want to "learn" the nonsense presented. That's the nature of this thread's conflict.
Michael Balance Williams - My open mind is my sacred temple.
Michael Balance Williams - Islam is nonsense
Muhammad Rasheed - ^Is this an attempt to goad me into "attacking your character" so you can manufacture an excuse to delete me?
Muhammad Rasheed - smh
Muhammad Rasheed - open mind + "Islam is nonsense" = huh?
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahahaha
Muhammad Rasheed - I don't think "open mind" means what you think it means. hahahahaha
Michael Balance Williams - Notice I didn't call you nonsense.
Muhammad Rasheed - No, you merely referred to my most sacred beliefs as nonsense, even though you don't know anything about them.
That's a clear "goading" from the "nanny nanny boo boo!" school of goading.
Michael Balance Williams - People unsubscribe from religion everyday and either go to a new one or keep an open mind to all. I take and use a little wisdom from closed minded and open thought forms all the time.
Michael Balance Williams - My open mind is where my alter is.
Do you agree with every sect of Islam?
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "People unsubscribe from religion everyday and either go to a new one or keep an open mind to all. I take and use a little wisdom from closed minded and open thought forms all the time."
It doesn't mean anything if they never take the time to actually learn the faiths, but are lazily content to skim the surface with inaccurate sound bites that they just heard from somewhere. Bouncing around from doctrine to doctrine without any commitment, or even any demonstrated skill enabling one to study and absorb multi-layered knowledge, isn't any kind of commendable trait or habit.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "Do you agree with every sect of Islam?"
Do I need to? If so, based on what?
Michael Balance Williams -
Not everyone is like that. Some people actually have put in the work to know what they are talking about.
Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Balance Williams wrote: "Not everyone is like that.”
True. You can find exceptions, or alternate cases and events to every theory.
Michael Balance Williams wrote: "Some people actually have put in the work to know what they are talking about.”
No doubt. I’m on a quest to find one of them.

The Champion of the Universe - Victim of Fight Game Corruption

Muhammad Rasheed - One of the things that really started to sour me on collecting mainstream comics was what is to me a major weakness in those big companies, which is the regular practice of numerous writers that come through to work on fan favorite characters over the years.  Bringing different skill levels and worse, different visions for how these characters should be handled, mismanagement can cause genuine grief and anger from the fans.  This shouldn’t be surprising since it is well-known that good writing can make the reader feel a true emotional attachment to characters, so bad or careless writing would obviously cause the opposite feelings if that writing is directed towards characters that a previous writer made the readers love.  I’ve experienced this with the Marvel Comics character Drax the Destroyer, having been rendered shocked and incredulous over the treatment this personal favorite had received that I just couldn’t pick any of those books up anymore.    
To my annoyance, Drax was stripped of his mighty cosmic powers, grounded to a world, and handed two knives. One could of course argue that my annoyance is 100% subjective, and perhaps the majority of the fans even prefer him in this new incarnation.  That’s fair.  But in the case of another fan favorite character, Champion, the wrongs done to him are absolutely not merely subjective.
The Elder of the Universe called Champion has been a huge favorite of mine from my earliest days as a collector. The treatment he has received at the hands of writers since his debut has been absolutely abusive.  It’s moments like these where I wish I could just buy the character from the company to spare him any further stupidity, and position him within my own comic universe with the respect he deserves.
ITEM #1 – The Champion of the Universe made his first appearance in Marvel Two-in-One Annual #7 which was inspired by the Rocky movie franchise, with the second sequel having just been released earlier that year.  Champion is immortal and possesses nigh-limitless super strength.  As an Elder of the Universe, he is the last survivor of one of the first sentient species to appear in the early universe and is billions of years old.  To survive this length of time (and beyond) he and his fellows psionically tap into the Power Primordial by relentlessly pursuing a single obsession throughout their long, long lives.  In Champion’s case he is obsessed with learning martial arts, challenging the local planetary champions in their own art, and beating the crap out of them.  Having pursued this obsession for billions of years, he is currently the master of countless martial arts throughout the universe and throughout time.  In his first appearance in Marvel Comics continuity, he arrived on earth, learned boxing, and challenged the top strong guys to battle in a ring.  One by one he teleported earth’s designated champions into this ring and either beat the snot out of them, or disqualified them for not wanting to play by the rules.  One such of these latter was the Hulk, who immediately slammed his fists together causing the gloves to explode.  Champion then contemptuously sent the Hulk away as a savage who couldn’t fight by the rules like a true warrior-fighter.  Running parallel to the Rocky story, Champion then fought the Fantastic Four’s Thing who, although hopelessly outmatched, still managed to get in some good shots of his own and, most importantly, never, ever gave up and showed “heart.”  At first Champion threatened to destroy the earth if he won, but he changed his mind after witnessing the Thing’s impressive fighting spirit. 

ITEM #2 – Eight years later, after having had a couple of adventures battling the Silver Surfer and Galactus with the aid of his fellow Elders, we find Champion in possession of one of the Infinity Gems, the one that controls Power.  In the first title of Jim Starlin’s Thanos Quest, he is depicted on a planet in which two warring factions use tanks and energy weapons to try to destroy him.  Champion is shown tossing machinery around and smashing warriors, no actual skill required.   It actually doesn’t really make any sense as to why he’s there doing that based on what we know about him thus far in continuity.  Thanos is there to take the Power Gem from him, and as he narrates the tale, mentions how Champion is a mere savage brute similar to the Hulk, and how easy it would be to outwit this muscle-bound dullard, et cetera.  In other words the literal exact opposite of everything Champion was established to be in his debut.  Thanos goaded Champion into attacking him, created a force field around himself, and Champion then… Hulk-like… savagely pounded on the force field until his efforts (enhanced by the Power Gem) shattered the planet they were standing on.  Thanos then told him he would take him to another planet if he gave up the Gem, which he did.

ITEM #3 - Years later the She-Hulk trains for a boxing rematch with Champion by lifting weights in her Jennifer Walters form until she bulks up, and learning how to fight better by sparring with Gamora.  Three months later she has her rematch with Champion during which she beats him up like he was a defenseless child.

Rockscissorspaper - The "Champion of the Universe", the guy who originally had the Power Gem, got it back at some point. Once he was beaten by She-hulk...
Muhammad Rasheed -     >:(
Rockscissorspaper -  ^^Not a She-Hulk fan, I take it...?
Muhammad Rasheed - She-Hulk is okay.
I'm not of fan of stupid, nor of stupid writing.
[From Wiki] "The Champion is one of the alien Elders of the Universe.  The Champion is a master hand to hand combatant in a wide range of thousands of different martial arts and fighting-styles taken from locations across the Universe."
In his first appearance, he fought the Thing and defeated him. 
Rockscissorspaper -  It was a pretty good story actually.  She-hulk had been training with Gamora "The most dangerous woman in the universe" for months before the fight.
Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, I know. IN THREE MONTHS she was able to surpass Champion of the Universe's BILLIONS OF YEARS of training.
Rockscissorspaper - It was also during a storyline where her strength was greater than it ever had been before.
Muhammad Rasheed – Both Sonny Liston and George Foreman were both far stronger than the much more skilled Muhammad Ali. So and???
Rockscissorspaper -  Plus he had to fight her without the Power Gem. With it, he had beaten her silly in a previous fight.
Muhammad Rasheed - Guess what? Champion had also beaten the Thing silly in his debut and he had never even HEARD of the d@mn gem before the Silver Surfer vol. 3 #1 came out in 1987. Champion has vast, high Class 100 strength under normal, unenhanced conditions.
This story was stupid and took one of my favorite characters, with the greatest potential and turned him into a goof comic relief. A role he's been in since Jim Starlin screwed him over in the Thanos Quest.
I hate assembly line @ss mainstream comics.
That Strictly Kid - Yeah I gotta agree with M-Rah on this one There is no way She-hulk should've been able to beat the champion in a straight up fight.
Thanos on the other hand was ruthless and cunning when he got the gem from the Champion.
Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, he was. The problem was that in order to MAKE him ruthless and cunning, Starlin took away from the Champion's intellect and skill level... lessening the character... in order to enhance his guy. This is a trait of an inferior writer and why The Thanos Quest wasn't as good as it should've been.
C-NICE - MRasheed wrote: "The problem was that in order to MAKE him ruthless and cunning, Starlin took away from the Champion's intellect and skill level... lessening the character... in order to enhance his guy. This is a trait of an inferior writer and why The Thanos Quest wasn't as good as it should've been."
I can understand how Thanos beat The Champion, it was not a physical beat down Thanos had weeks to plan for that fight (Marvel Universe Handbook:Thanos' most powerful weapon is his mind; not only has he created weaponry and lifeforms fo incredible complexity and power, but he is unparalleled strategic thinker whose true motives are always suspect.) and you must remember that Thanos generally prefers to let his plans unfold without getting physically involved. However, he does not shy from physical combat, and at times he seems to revel in it, as he instructed his ward, Gamora, training her to become the most lethal female assassin in known space. The Champion beat himself in the end.
Muhammad Rasheed - Don't get me wrong... I fully understand the story and the Thanos character. He is one of my favorite characters and I know exactly how he functions and what he represents. I'm NOT saying that he shouldn't be able to beat Champion using his brilliant mind as you'd said. What I am saying is that the execution of the scene was poor because the writer was unable to showcase both characters at their best, but instead had to lessen one character in order to show the superiority of the other. The Champion of the Universe was never portrayed as the mindless brawler given to fits of emotion-driven wildness as he was depicted in The Thanos Quest. Champion is the expert master of every single martial art in the universe. Would a mere human master of just earth's close combat disciplines realistically give up all of his skills at the drop of a hat and prefer bar brawling/wild swinging/running head-first reckless abandon fighting techniques? No? So why would the trillion year old CHAMPION OF THE UNIVERSE???? While at the end of an especially difficult and frustrating fight, did Sugar Ray Robinson abandon all of his boxing skills and start swinging wildly like Butter Bean, or did his superbly-trained body go on automatic pilot and maintain his perfect form and jab enabling him to secure an exhausted victory? I charge that Starlin was either lazy or weak. The REAL crime in what he did to Champion is that now that depiction has now become the standard template for how every subsequent writer has written him. 
Consequently, his claims of being master of the universe's close combat systems are a Ken Shamrock joke (“The most dangerous man alive!!!” ) because every time you see him he fights like Butter Bean/Tank Abbot and loses a f*cking battle of SKILL to the 26 year old She-Hulk.
C-NICE - The Thanos Quest: Thanos talking about The Champion "He has no ideal of the gem's worth believes its power dormant and only wears it as a good luck charm. Champion credits his successes on his own battle prowess. It shall prove his undoing."
Muhammad Rasheed - The power gem increases it's wearer's strength and power. If the wearer doesn't know how to use it, the gem still increases his power subconsciously when he reaches his natural limits. Keep in mind that Champion's non-infinity gem enhanced body possesses HIGH Class 100 strength.
1.) Who the heck did Champion fight on the planet shown where he needed to reach the limits of his vast strength? All he did was smash metal weapons and throw tanks around.
2.) Skill in techniques is what makes him Champion of the Universe not his strength level. Champion doesn't NEED the power gem. Iron Mike Tyson was a better boxer when he used the basic boxing skills he was taught. He was still strong with knockout power when he stopped using his technique, but his natural strength alone does not help him against skilled opponents. The Champion's successes WERE based on his battle prowess. It is stupid and completely ridiculous for Starlin to claim otherwise.
And the She-Hulk, despite ANY type of bullsh*t strength increase, should NEVER... never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never... have beaten the Champion.

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"Manny Pacquiao may be more popular, but no boxer makes more on fight night than the self promoted and self promoting Floyd Mayweather, who controls 100 per cent of the purse and pays out the guy he was just punching when it's over."

http://www.thestar.com/.../floyd_mone......

Muhammad Rasheed - If both Pacquiao and Mayweather were "managed talent" under the old system, where the suits behind the scenes get the lion's share of the profits generated, I would be willing to agree to a 50/50 split. But Mayweather is the one wearing the suit AND in the ring, and the 50/50 doesn't make any sense in this new scenario. Mayweather is the power-player negotiating the deal from both sides of the table. There's no way Pacquiao should get 50% when he's basically just a contractor that Floyd is hiring for Floyd's event.

Jerry Lee Brice - If I was Pacquiao, i would not make the fight unless i was 50/50 on everything, including promoting the fight and owning the rights to the fight/ppv, etc...or forget about it.

Muhammad Rasheed - I think Floyd has already proven that he's not interested in moving forward on a project unless it's on his financial terms. Since he's already the highest paid athlete in the world, the slight would be on Manny if he skipped this deal, not Floyd.

Jerry Lee Brice - No, it would be on the person that is asking for a deal that is unreasonable.
As they say, you can not reason with the unreasonable, so if a 50/50 split all the way down the line and shared promotion is not something he can live with, then the business does not work out.
No reason at all to take a losers deal.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "No, it would be on the person that is asking for a deal that is unreasonable."

Well, in every single interview Manny is calling Floyd out. He's the one that sounds like he desperately needs the pay day. He should've kept his poker face.

Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "As they say, you can not reason with the unreasonable, so if a 50/50 split all the way down the live and shared promotion is not something he can live with, then the business does not work out. No reason at all to take a losers deal."

From what I understand, Manny has already taken it. The 2-fight contract is a go. On Floyd's terms as usual.

Jerry Lee Brice - That news!LOL...so makes all this talk about Manny not wanting to fight moot.
Now all they have to do is fight.

Muhammad Rasheed - Also, since Manny lost 2 of his last 5 fights (1 by KO), his drawing power has diminished a bit (and the Vegas odds), so it's no secret where the source of this new desperation is coming from.

Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, they are scheduling both fights for 2015.

Jerry Lee Brice - If he made a deal with floyd, he made a deal.That's business, the past is just negotiation, you need to take emotions out of it, business is business, sounds like thats what happened...now, all they have to do is fight.

Muhammad Rasheed - What emotions?

Jerry Lee Brice - ...now on to the fight!LOl...

Jerry Lee Brice - All that BS narrative about manny being desperate blah blah blah...etc whoever's on top???whatever...they negotiated, made a deal, now we ALL get to see a fight.
maybe two fights..end of story.

I'm betting big on this one!

Muhammad Rasheed - I think the talk about who was being unreasonable or not was where the emotion came in. In the art of negotiation, the parties aren't always starting at equal footing. It is definitely true in this case. A few years ago, before those two loses, Manny was somehow under the impression that the two fighters were approaching the table as equals... naturally Floyd balked at that foolishness, and set terms that clearly disturbed Manny and his camp. Two losses later, and after about 100 interviews calling Floyd out (and enough time to flush that bullshit out of his system lol), now Manny has seen reality and approached the negotiation table at his proper level.

As a for-hire contractor.

Muhammad Rasheed - Now I'm looking forward to him getting hook-checked and cracking his dome on a turn-buckle like Hatton did.

Jerry Lee Brice - LOL..sounds like you are writing one of your stories man...all I know is that two parties comcerned with money and business negotiated and made a meeting of the minds...motivated to make more money, period.
I guess Floyd is not concerned about drug testing anymore!LOl...c'mon man, i know you his fan/stan and all, but all they did was do business for business sake.The meeting of the minds means they both won in that aspect of the deal.

NOW-all the other BS and whatnot can be settled in the ring.

That's all that matters...

Muhammad Rasheed - Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "LOL..sounds like you are writing one of your stories man"

That's what I thought about you when you typed "emotions." lol

Muhammad Rasheed - Calm down, Jerry.

Muhammad Rasheed - I know these posts that don't immediately praise Manny get under your skin.

Muhammad Rasheed - You'll be alright. And you'll both eventually recover after these butt whoopin's Floyd gives out.

Muhammad Rasheed - :D

Jerry Lee Brice - You the one who keeps projecting what's on somebody's mind outside of business, like you know what's on another man's mind?!?!what's left?Emotions???which is not business.
All that stuff in the past was a negotiation motivated to make more money for both party's -period.

Jerry Lee Brice - LOL...I guess you must think you can see the future...all i do with people like you is make a bet.

It's that simple.

Jerry Lee Brice -  ..the bet saves a lot of time and talk.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "All that stuff in the past was a negotiation motivated to make more money for both party's -period."

That's certainly what it is for Floyd. For Manny, he's the one at the lower end of the negotiating spectrum, and of course, has been acting like he was.

Especially after those two losses when his stock dropped.

Jerry Lee Brice - LOL..see man, you ACTUALLY talk like you can read Manny's mind?!/!??...craziness.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "..the bet saves a lot of time and talk."

That's cute, but as you know, I have a lot of time for talking.

If I was single I might take the bet.

Jerry Lee Brice - That's called projecting man...

Jerry Lee Brice - You got time to work that out at the pad..that's called a negotiation...she will let you waste some of that lunch money man!LOl..negotiate...you got a few months to make that happen!LOl..

Jerry Lee Brice -  ..plus, if it's such a sure thing for your fighter Floyd..where is the risk?It's only a bet if there is a risk of losing.

Jerry Lee Brice - ..we can set a $1.00 limit, and somebody has to wear the winning fighters logo t shirt maybe?!?!

Muhammad Rasheed -  Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "LOL..see man, you ACTUALLY talk like you can read Manny's mind?!/!??...craziness."

It's called reading a person's obviously telegraphed, and somewhat clumsy, actions. Perhaps it can come across as mind reading. lol

Similar to how you got all IMMEDIATELY hot under the collar when you saw this post.

Jerry Lee Brice - Read me when you can talk to me about putting your money where you mouth is on this one for the MONEY TEAM..it's called prize fighting, not fortunetelling..

Muhammad Rasheed  - Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "You got time to work that out at the pad..that's called a negotiation...she will let you waste some of that lunch money..."

This is called "projecting into my household."

hahahaha

Jerry Lee Brice - LOL!...

Muhammad Rasheed - Jerry Lee Brice wrote: "Read me when you can talk to me about putting your money where you mouth is.."

Nah. Peer pressure doesn't work on me. I'm good.

Jerry Lee Brice - You right man!LOl..instigating ish.

Muhammad Rasheed - See ya on fight night though!

Muhammad Rasheed - Woop Woop!

Jerry Lee Brice - Ok man..I got it...months worth of BS...either way, glad we get to see a fight.

Muhammad Rasheed - I know I'm excited...

Jerry Lee Brice - I hope they are not too old to entertain...I guess it had to be this way.I'm having a big party that night for sure!

Muhammad Rasheed - I know you are. You may wish to hire security for all the folk that *might* owe you money afterwards.

Muhammad Rasheed - *MIGHT*

Muhammad Rasheed  - ('tis doubtful though)

Jerry Lee Brice - They know me, so they know they better show up with some back up...you got to pay to play.

Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahahaha

The Book, The Virgin, & The Fury (pt. 5)

Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Your rebuttal was extremely speculative…”
Some of it was speculative, true. I can only stand on definitive truths after all, and the exact details of Adam’s creation are firmly within the unseen as I said. All we know, based on what the Lord said, is that the manner was the same as Jesus’ creation. He provided no detail so any talk of what it COULD’VE been will be speculative by it’s nature since we have no way of knowing the full truth of the matter.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…with the waffling of a prototypical bad politician. Your own words prove the means of your defeat. You refuse to acknowledge the definition of the word similar.”
I not only acknowledged it, but even provided two speculative items that could function as to the difference implied. I know it would go over your head.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “This is unsettling and pathetic, as this is further validation of a fundamental lack of comprehension, or even the most miniscule grasp of nuance. You had the temerity to state ''I was speculating as to whether Adam was the template for the technique. It's possible that GOD used the same technique before that on earlier human-type creatures,'' this is where your argument begins to descend into lunacy, idiocy, and being preposterous beyond all shadow of doubt. Where is this kooky theory supported in scripture.”
speculate – to wonder, guess, consider, think, conjecture, contemplate
Why would a concept I am speculating on be supported in scripture? If it was supported in scripture, I wouldn’t have to speculate, would I? This is the “implicit” you are looking for. If Adam was the first human, but he was born of a woman, then it is to be understood that his mom wasn’t a human. “Proto-human” is a fair speculation based on the fossil record of such creatures existing. Why not? Calm down. I know your mind is blown; you’ll be alright.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “’Earlier Human-type creatures,' again I dismiss this outright…”
On what basis?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…that sure as hell come from no sacred text…”
lol Who said it did?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…and I can't even begin to fathom how you offer this as a reasonable point.”
1.) God said He created Jesus in the same manner in which He created Adam2.) Jesus was born of a woman without a father3.) Therefore Adam was born of a woman without a father4.) Adam was the first human being5.) Therefore his mother was not a human being
Easy-peasy. Problems?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “HORRIBLE.”
I can wait for you to catch up.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…as you stated, These are just absurd speculations.”
I think they are quite reasonable. An absurd speculation is that the virgin birth was unique.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “In continuing you quite predictably went on to introduce parthenogenesis.”
Were we not already discussing the virgin birth? Then it had already been introduced, Clif.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Did you actually think by stating ''this process can even happen in mammals,'' that it was true, if so, this is further proof of you becoming delusional. Your parthenogenesis contention is grossly inadequate and FALSE! UNTRUE! Let us briefly examine a collaborative work entitled Minireview: Parthenogenesis in Mammals,done by Nathalien Rougier, and Zena Werb from the Department of Anatomy, University of California, in which they state bluntly 'adult parthenogenesis has never been recorded in mammals.’”
Noooooo… They said it had never been recorded happening in the wild. An altogether different kettle of fish. It has happened in captivity. Since they can’t possible keep an eye over every single wild mammal to know this one way or the other, I find the fact that that line was even included to be stupid at best, and a deliberate misdirection to fool the gullible (such as yourself) at worst.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “(You were saying) Now I will give you the acknowledgement that the phenomenon has been observed in nature…”
You’re stumbling over yourself.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…but never in the manor in which you presented as evidence, and never in mammal…”
You need to get your research game up.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…and being that humans are mammals, you failed to prove anything. I know you didn't just lie, and make up some foolishness, oh wait, you did just lie and make up some foolishness.”
[I’m just going to leave this here]”In 1936, Gregory Goodwin Pincus reported successfully inducing parthenogenesis in a rabbit. In April 2004, scientists at Tokyo University of Agriculture used parthenogenesis successfully to create a fatherless mouse. Using gene targeting, they were able to manipulate two imprinted loci H19/IGF2 and DLK1/MEG3 to produce bi-maternal mice at high frequency and subsequently show that fatherless mice have enhanced longevity.” ~ Kawahara, Manabu; Wu, Qiong; Takahashi, Nozomi; Morita, Shinnosuke; Yamada, Kaori; Ito, Mitsuteru; Ferguson-Smith, Anne C; Kono, Tomohiro (2007). "High-frequency generation of viable mice from engineered bi-maternal embryos". Nature Biotechnology
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “As your arguments falter I have grown accustomed to the obligatory attempts at character assassination as you point out ''You have more than enough anti-religion memes on your Timeline,'' this is further evidence of a complete lack of any ability to grasp nuance. Like at all. As in, no clue. You're stuck on religion as though GOD and religion were automatically one and the same.”
God provided the religion to us. It’s His gift. Only the fool pooh-poohs it.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “In closing, you continue to beat that poor dead horse by proclaiming 'GOD said he did it before,' No he didn't, as you stated earlier, the word GOD used was 'similar.'”
Since you literally have zero way of knowing what part was ‘similar’ and what part was ‘different from the similarity,’ do you even know what you are trying to argue? If the ‘similar’ implied a gap so wide that the events weren’t even remotely the same, then why would He link them at all? Your desperation is pathetic, Clifton.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “You offered up a pitifully speculative argument, and attempted to be deceitful in the interjection of a Parthenogenesis scenario that was supported by nothing. You went on to reinforce your foolishness by introducing ''Monkey People,'' who gave birth to Adam, a human being by your own admission and thus hammered in the final nail in your own coffin Monkeymen and dinosaurs bro...”
I’ll just wait for you to catch up, since you actually have zero basis for your attitude other than superstitions.
Clifton Hatchett - This is getting far too easy. You speculate widely. Let us look at your statement, ''Adam was the first Human, so his mother wasn't human,'' WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT... you go on to present a situation where you say This happened with Jesus, so this must've happened with Adam,'' this has devolved into nothing more than speculation. You continue this baffling trek by now introducing parthenogenesis, in a controlled, laboratory setting where the subjects where deliberately inseminated for purposes of studying parthenogenesis, as an argument for a plausible argument to explain the virgin birth. Reptiles, Rabbits, and Jesus. Who knew... ''Superstitions,''... this is you being delusional or an attempt at levity, in one instance, it's a psychological defect, the other is pitiful. ''Get your research game up,'' for what purpose if you're going to be disingenuous. This response is your weakest yet, as such I'll give you a mulligan.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “This is getting far too easy. You speculate widely. Let us look at your statement, ''Adam was the first Human, so his mother wasn't human,'' WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT...”
Do the scriptures not say Adam was the first? So what’s the problem? If he’s the first, then his mom was something other, yes?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…you go on to present a situation where you say ‘This happened with Jesus, so this must've happened with Adam,'”
Noooo… God said it. I only quoted Him.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…this has devolved into nothing more than speculation. You continue this baffling trek by now introducing parthenogenesis…”
Parthenogenesis was introduced when the virgin birth topic came up.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…in a controlled, laboratory setting where the subjects where deliberately inseminated…”
You are confused. Any form of insemination is not parthenogenesis by definition. They observed it happen in the lab.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…for purposes of studying parthenogenesis, as an argument for a plausible argument to explain the virgin birth. Reptiles, Rabbits, and Jesus. Who knew...”
*shrug* Again, I’ll wait for you to catch up. Of course this may take a while since you are the one that actually asked me what would a Muslim know about Jesus AFTER I posted a Qur’anic verse talking about Jesus. smh
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “'Superstitions,'... this is you being delusional or an attempt at levity, in one instance, it's a psychological defect, the other is pitiful.”
You are the one acting frightened of “monkey men” and running for the hills. lol
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “'Get your research game up,' for what purpose if you're going to be disingenuous. This response is your weakest yet, as such I'll give you a mulligan.”
Your twice now demonstrated confusion over parthenogenesis means you have some more reading to do, so I’ll patiently wait for you to catch up.
Clearly your worldview is shaken.
Clifton Hatchett - No. His(Adams) mother could not have been something different.. Prove otherwise. You persistently state that''GOD said it,'' when he did not, this is your attempt to pigeon hole the narrative. Parthenogenesis is introduced as you offer up evidence to which the source clearly states, ''adult parthenogenesis has never been observed in mammals,'' key word, NEVER, as in, not ever, not at any time. There is no way around it. Never, means it (parthenogenesis in mammals) hasn't happened. This is where you made the leap to magic monkeys having human children. By the way, to add some clarity, I didn't ask you ''what would a Muslim know about Jesus,'' this was me simply informing you that many people do not know that Jesus is held within such high regard in the Islamic faith. You're being pretentious. As for your contention that I am afraid of monkey-men, you are correct, the idea of Adam being birthed from a Bigfoot is crazy. Crazy is a polite terminology...lol, but seriously. You conclude by stating ''You twice now demonstrated confusion over parthenogenesis,'' that's laughable coming from one who interjected Bigfoot giving birth to Adam, Dinosaurs,(why I don't know), Reptiles, lab rabbits being artificially inseminated in a manipulated environment, as proof of the immaculate conception of Jesus. Your contention is a classic example of ''Non Sequitur,'' but you know that. Then again given your determination to , and proclivity for wild speculation, perhaps you don't brother Rasheed. To continue attempts at validating your speculations, you run the risk of descending even further into a frighteningly bizarre psychosis. I expect better of you, but in this discussion, my expectations in you have proven to be unfounded.
Clifton Hatchett –

Rick Drew - This meme just shows ignorance or other religions. Oh, and your own as well.
Clifton Hatchett - Rick...greetings... he called for back up... ''This meme just shows ignorance to other religions. Oh, and your own as well.'' How is that I have not expressed an allegiance to a particular ''faith,'' Speculation must be a crutch within the shared circle of Mr. Rasheed, and yourself.

Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “No.”
Yes.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “His(Adams) mother could not have been something different..”
Explain. Adam is the FIRST homo sapien. Obviously his mom would be something different.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Prove otherwise.”
Is Adam the first man or not? If he is the first man then his mom was a ‘proto-man.’ Pretty simple math, huh, Bob?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “You persistently state that'GOD said it,' when he did not…”
God said that the creation of Jesus was the same as the creation of Adam.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…this is your attempt to pigeon hole the narrative.”
This is my futile attempt to widen a narrow mind…
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Parthenogenesis is introduced as you offer up evidence to which the source clearly states, 'adult parthenogenesis has never been observed in mammals,'”
Did you think I wouldn’t notice that you stuck the word “adult” in there? The source says “there are no known cases of naturally occurring mammalian parthenogenesis in the wild” which is a nonsense statement since there’s all kinds of shit that happens in the wild that isn’t observed, hence the term “the wild.” It’s clearly misdirection. Stop following shiny shit and pay attention.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “key word, NEVER, as in, not ever, not at any time. There is no way around it. Never, means it (parthenogenesis in mammals) hasn't happened.”
Remember that quote I posted from the scientific journal above that said it DID happen? Twice? Well, it actually happened more often than that.
Clifton, don’t make me cuss you out like I did Rahlistic. I hate stupid. Don’t do that to yourself.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “This is where you made the leap to magic monkeys having human children.”
“Magic?” It is well documented that early humans shared the earth with other versions of proto-humans. The fossil record is full of their remains. If your mind is SO narrow as to deny such facts, I suggest you stop with the Damon Wayans’ word salads, and stop trying to pretend you are smart.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “By the way, to add some clarity, I didn't ask you 'what would a Muslim know about Jesus,' this was me simply informing you that many people do not know that Jesus is held within such high regard in the Islamic faith. You're being pretentious.”
Do a better job saying what you mean.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “As for your contention that I am afraid of monkey-men, you are correct…”
Well, the next time I remind you of the narrowness of your mind, try not to protest so much. You've earned it after all.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…the idea of Adam being birthed from a Bigfoot is crazy.”
Based on what?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Crazy is a polite terminology...lol, but seriously. You conclude by stating 'You twice now demonstrated confusion over parthenogenesis,' that's laughable coming from one who interjected Bigfoot giving birth to Adam…”
According to the people who are into Bigfoot, that species is supposed to be running around right now, so what would that have to do with Adam?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…Dinosaurs,(why I don't know)”
Since parthenogenesis is rare in complex animals, I speculated as to when it might have been used before Adam (following the thread if Adam wasn’t the actual template for it). So if it wasn’t used on any of the proto-humans, then maybe it was used even further back, like on the dinosaurs.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…Reptiles, lab rabbits being artificially inseminated in a manipulated environment…”
Once again, by definition, if insemination of any sort was involved, then it wasn’t parthenogenesis. You’re clearly still confused. Since you’ve apparently snapped your already narrow mind shut like a steel trap, I no longer expect you to catch up.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…as proof of the immaculate conception of Jesus.”
Is this your way of insisting that it was magic involved?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Your contention is a classic example of 'Non Sequitur,' but you know that. Then again given your determination to , and proclivity for wild speculation, perhaps you don't brother Rasheed. To continue attempts at validating your speculations, you run the risk of descending even further into a frighteningly bizarre psychosis. I expect better of you, but in this discussion, my expectations in you have proven to be unfounded.”
I knew you were dumb and small-minded when I first came in here. I am undisturbed by your primitive confusion when your tiny & comfortable world view gets rocked. You already gave yourself away when you’d say stuff like “people like you aren’t allowed to think that way” or whatever you said exactly. Don’t project your narrow, tiny, fits-in-box mind onto me, please. Thank you.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “@Rick...greetings... he called for back up...”
Obviously he was responding to the original status meme, Clif, which showed on his newsfeed because of this activity. Geeez…
btw I know you gave Rahlistic the “what is prayer for?” answers because you got tired of his question duckin’ bullshit, too.
Clifton Hatchett - lollollol....I did no such thing. I enjoyed the back and forth between yourself & Rahlistic. He and yourself are more than capable of conversing without interference from me. I wouldn't do that Muhammad... you funny man.
Muhammad Rasheed - The shit was still wrong. lol
Clifton Hatchett - As far as your argument goes, it's dead. A Bigfoot can't give birth to a human, except in your world. ''Based on what,'' you ask... You're being silly for sure. Is it your honest contention that a Monkey-woman gave birth to human child. I want you to say this is your honest conclusion. A monkey had a human. Serious. This is your stance. Anything after this extreme folly of yours, requires no comment from me... You haven't proven anything, and now you have resorted to ancient magic monkey people having human children. You lost Muhammad. You and your monkey folks.
Muhammad Rasheed - You should know that "bigfoot" is another straw man if you keep it up.
1.) Speculating as to how something COULD be (all I know is that Adam was created the same as Jesus because God said it. How He did it, I don't know, but that is my best guess)
2.) ...isn't the same as saying it IS true and arguing against it (like you and your strawman fallacy that the virgin birth was unique).
Since we still leave on the note of your weak argument, obviously you are the loser. Nice try thinking you got away that easily.
Rahlistic Visions - Oh I'm not done yet. Been busy will go in later. Got shit to do.
Clifton Hatchett - ''Muhammad,'' Bigfoot is a strawman, as are your magic monkey people who have human children.
Muhammad Rasheed - Notice how at no point did I ever argue against the proto-human concept as if you invented it? That it never stopped being a personal speculation of my own and just a guess as to where Adam came from? That means it's not a strawman argument. smh
Scroll back up and read the definition again, please.
Muhammad Rasheed - If you never said it, but I acted like you said it, and argued against it as if you said it, then it would be a straw man.You know? Like when you said that the bible said that the virgin birth was unique even though it didn't, and you built your whole argument around it?
Like that.
Clifton Hatchett - Your credibility within this argument is shot. ''Magic Monkey People,'' was delightfully comical, and beyond hilarious. It was a fun argument. You can continue rambling, but you can't escape your own ''Magic Monkey People,'' theory. Period.
Muhammad Rasheed - I think the theory is sound myself.
What do you have to replace it with that you think is better? God said the manner in which He created Jesus was similar to how He created Adam in the first place.
What's your speculation as to what it COULD mean? Just for fun.
Clifton Hatchett - You do not think the theory is sound. ''Just for fun,'' I don't trust you, your going to spazz and do some of your magic monkey stuff and twist my words in an attempt to make me sound just as ridiculous as you....No thanks...lol, besides I'm drawing, watching football and going to visit my mother. I will revisit the subject though. You got my word on it. Whatever my theory is, it'll be better than magic monkey people.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "You do not think the theory is sound."
It makes perfect sense to me. You make me feel smart when you act like that, for the record. Honestly. lol
Clifton Hatchett - Your theory was flawed(IMO) in another aspect. The magic monkeys would have raised the infant human as well. You don't believe any of this, and surely this was a long running joke wasn't it....
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "Your theory was flawed(IMO) in another aspect. The magic monkeys would have raised the infant human as well."
God took Adam up to paradise and taught him the names of the angels and everything in creation. The proto-humans didn't raise him. There is no timestream in paradise... the realm of spirit... so Lord knows how long he was there before Eve, and how long the two of them were there before the fall.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: "You don't believe any of this, and surely this was a long running joke wasn't it...."
I believe the definite parts that God spoke on. Of course I don't believe in the speculative aspects since I have no way of knowing if it was true or not. Based on the scant available evidence, I think it's the best-case scenario of what actually happened. Until any new facts come in to make the picture clearer and more accurate, that is my working theory. 
Deannie Mack - Zoroastrianism principles and prophecies is what you two are debating. Recorded history is as it is because the Jews did not want anyone else to be capable of inventing a story as they did, as a means of propelling themselves to the top of the food chain. Alexander The Great's job was to destroy religious texts; including those of Persia ( Iraq and Iran ).
Muhammad Rasheed - How do you know this is the case?
Deannie Mack - It's part of written history
Muhammad Rasheed - Written where?
Deannie Mack - Being that you are a scholar as well as an intellectual, I am certain you can manage to do the research, if you're interested. I wouldn't waste my time presenting you with excerpts and passages; which you would undoubtedly debate to no end.
Deannie Mack - Zoroastrianism
Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) "Zoroastrianism principles and prophecies is what you two are debating." (which parts of our debate touch on this?)
2.) "Recorded history is as it is because the Jews did not want anyone else to be capable of inventing a story as they did as a means of propelling themselves to the top of the food chain." (where is this info written?)
3.) "Alexander The Great's job was to destroy religious texts; including those of Persia" (Is that Alexander's actual history, or the after-the-fact legend?)
Deannie Mack - All virgin births
Muhammad Rasheed - Deannie Mack wrote: "Being that you are a scholar as well as an intellectual, I am certain you can manage to do the research, if you're interested."
The interest is generated from a spirited debate with someone who holds that knowledge. Are you just throwing this info out there as something you once heard, or are you one who holds this knowledge?
Deannie Mack wrote: "I wouldn't waste my time presenting you with excerpts and passages; which you would undoubtedly debate to no end."
I enjoy debating things I know, and challenging things people say that challenge my knowledge, or otherwise have info that intrigues me enough to probe into their knowledge.
Muhammad Rasheed - Which of these do you represent?
Deannie Mack - Knowledge without understanding what you know is nothing. I represent none of the above. Life's way is immeasurable, inconceivable and unfathomable. Our importance is based upon the Earth's movements; just a physical thing. Nothing adds up to anything.
Muhammad Rasheed - Deannie Mack wrote: "Knowledge without understanding what you know is nothing."
How could one call that "knowledge?" If you hold something and have no way of using it as it was intended to be used, is it really the thing it was designed to be while you hold it?
Or is it only in its true form when in the hands of him or her that can wield it?
Muhammad Rasheed - Is a sword a 'sword' while in the hands of him who doesn't know 'war?'
Muhammad Rasheed - For him it is only a cane. Or perhaps a carpet beater. 
Deannie Mack - Behind every eye is a god who holds a sword and shield at the ready. When men sit down, they sit without the ability to bring forth civility between their gods. Would my sword enjoy your blood? Perhaps. What you are willing to kill yourself for says a lot. But why would I invite you to walk around the block, when you're obviously tethered to a pole? 
Muhammad Rasheed - Ha! The Free Will I operate from is tethered to nothing. I am free from restraints, most especially those that blaspheme my Maker. 
Throw down your rod, O Deannie! What do you hold?
Deannie Mack - Your Maker? You know absolutely nothing of your Maker, correct? You claim to be of free will but declare yourself tethered to a master in the same verse? Rod sufficiently thrown? Free Will does not exist. Freedom does not exist. "Give me liberty or give me death." We have death, if you haven't noticed....
Muhammad Rasheed - Deannie Mack wrote: “Your Maker?”
Aye. My Maker, and your Maker as well.
Deannie Mack wrote: “You know absolutely nothing of your Maker, correct?”
I know that of which He chose to reveal, and of those things He keeps hidden no one can know lest He so will it.
Deannie Mack wrote: “You claim to be of free will but declare yourself tethered to a master in the same verse?”
You are confused as to how Free Will functions; I come and go as I please, and do what I wish. It is 100% within my own power to acknowledge my Maker or not acknowledge Him; to believe or disbelieve as I am so inclined. To believe is the Ultimate Freedom. To disbelieve is to tether myself to foolishness, and be a slave to my own lowly desires.
Deannie Mack wrote: “Rod sufficiently thrown?”
Nooooo… ♫
Deciding to take uninformed swipes at the nature of my Free Will reveals naught but the shallow pool you stand within... ankle deep. It doesn’t reveal what you yourself believe. Did you somehow think it would? How so?
Deannie Mack wrote: “Free Will does not exist.”
An odd statement since I’m operating out of it at this moment. It is quite tasty, too. :)
Deannie Mack wrote: “Freedom does not exist.”
Ah. So it is the perspective of the slave that I address in you then? You should throw off your yoke of disbelief, O Deannie, and join me that you may experience freedom, for what apparently will be the very first time.
Deannie Mack wrote: “’Give me liberty or give me death.’ We have death, if you haven't noticed....”
We will all of us have death, Deannie. Such is the promise of the Maker, and surely He keeps His promises! Did someone tell you it was optional? Let me assure you that person lied.  Death is obligatory, and then afterwards, there is life hereafter.  What is optional will be the quality of that afterlife. 
Rahlistic Visions -

Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “As far as your argument goes, it's dead. A Bigfoot can't give birth to a human, except in your world. 'Based on what,' you ask... You're being silly for sure. Is it your honest contention that a Monkey-woman gave birth to human child. I want you to say this is your honest conclusion. A monkey had a human. Serious.”
It seems like your main point of contention is the idea that a species can give birth to a different genetic species. The following items may be of interest to you:
1.) An F1 hybrid (or Filial 1 hybrid) is the first filial generation of offspring of distinctly different parental types.
2.) The offspring of distinctly different parental types produce a new, uniform phenotype with a combination of characteristics from the parents.
3.) Mules are F1 hybrids between horse and donkey. Today, certain domestic hybrid breeds, such as the Savannah cat, are classified by their filial generation number.
SOURCESPrinciples of Molecular Medicine by Marschall S. Runge and Cam Patterson (editors)Laboratory Outlines in Biology--VI by Peter Abramoff and Robert G. Thomson
***EDIT***I started to just leave it there, but then I remembered how well inside the box you prefer to be, so I’d better walk you through this or it’s just going to go over your head, Clifton. You think it’s crazy and impossible that a proto-human would be able to have a human baby because they are two separate species, yet the above items prove that it’s not only possible, but it happens all the time. It’s completely normal for one species to give birth to another species despite the intensity of your personal incredulity.
Clifton Hatchett - I will have to read the material. Has this phenomenon been observed in hominids...
Muhammad Rasheed - I would reckon that the last time it happened was with Jesus, and the last time before that...
...Adam.
Muhammad Rasheed - What's that? Like a million year gap?
Clifton Hatchett - I'll read up on the subject more for purposes of diligence, but it feels like a stretch.
Muhammad Rasheed - I know. It'll take you some time to pull together the pieces of your blown mind. You'll be alright.
Take some night classes.
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahaha
Clifton Hatchett - so says the monkey man.
Muhammad Rasheed - I don't believe in "monkey men."
Clifton Hatchett - Liar.
Muhammad Rasheed - I don't think the proto-humans looked too much different from the way we look. I don't think they looked like apes the way those eurocentric/darwinism scientists need everyone to think they did in order for their evolution theory to be true.
Muhammad Rasheed - The proto-humans LOOKED human (more or less) but were missing something vital. I don't think they had a pituitary gland, or the ability for their bodies to produce DMT: The Spirit Molecule.
That's the part that enabled Adam to converse with the Spirit, and to receive revelation from the One God.
Clifton Hatchett - I'm not one who subscribes wholeheartedly to evolution.
Muhammad Rasheed - Me neither. Their argument is very weak, but they've been propping it up using nothing more than their propaganda hype machine trying to force everyone to accept it as true.
Here's the thing: the fossil record does reveal the fact that at one time, the homo sapien DID share the planet with other human-like creatures. Not "monkey men." Actual people-like creatures. Most of which could probably pass as modern humans.
They just didn't act like us. They lacked the ability to receive spiritual guidance.
Muhammad Rasheed - Not to confuse the issue, but at the same time, there probably WERE other great ape species running around too that absolutely were NOT our 'ancestors' like the darwinists would have us believe. In those days there were a lot of other species of everything around.
Doesn't mean the other, now extinct, ape species and the now extinct proto-humans were related though. No.
Clifton Hatchett - Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons and the like, and the fact that many people of European, and Asian decent have be proven, through genetics, to have Neanderthal DNA within their make up is proof of interbreeding, and assimilation, but this could not apply to Adam, as the Eden was in Africa, and Africans, and persons of African decent show absolutely no DNA, from any of the hominids that cohabited the planet with early homo sapiens.
Muhammad Rasheed - Cro-Magnon wasn't a proto-human. He was one of the first waves of homo sapien to leave Africa to populate Europe. He was a black man.
Clifton Hatchett - See. Here we go. Why wouldn't they simply be referred to as humans...
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons and the like, and the fact that many people of European, and Asian decent have be proven, through genetics, to have Neanderthal DNA within their make up is proof of interbreeding, and assimilation, but this could not apply to Adam…”
I think while Adam and his wife were in paradise for that unknown period of time, there were probably some global cataclysms happening on earth to thin out those tribes of proto-humans. By the time the First Family arrived on earth, there may have been few of those proto-human tribes remaining.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “as the Eden was in Africa…”
I think there were two “Edens.” The first one was the Gardens of Paradise in the spirit realm. After the fall, the lush area that the First Family settled in, I don’t think it unlikely that they probably named their new home “Eden.”
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…and Africans, and persons of African decent show absolutely no DNA, from any of the hominids that cohabited the planet with early homo sapiens.”
I think it’s probably a bit too early to make that call definitively because not all the science is in on it, but I tend to agree with you on that.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "See. Here we go. Why wouldn't they simply be referred to as humans..."
Ha! if you REALLY want to get annoyed, Google what those eurocentric darwinists think Cro-Magnon probably looked like in their "scientific" paintings.
Clifton Hatchett - I just can't allow myself to speculate on Global Cataclysms, thinning the heard, so to speak. As you say ''probably a bit too early,'' I subscribe to a notion that the collected data is ''probably completely accurate,'' in regards to us not being part cavemen, or monkey people...lol
Clifton Hatchett - I have seen the the images offered up by the ''Darwinist,'' and I have long been puzzled as to how something that is so speculative could be accepted as hard science.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “I just can't allow myself to speculate on Global Cataclysms, thinning the heard, so to speak.”
The trick to all of that kind of stuff, Clifton, is to throw out the theories that fit some bullshit agenda.  The facts are facts.  People formulate theories to provide some possible explanation for what the factual data may mean.  The more facts we discover, the closer to the truth we are able to get, because each new fact represents a piece in the big picture puzzle.  The eurocentrist/Darwinists have a specific agenda that I dismiss just as easily as you dismiss certain items here.  I don’t believe Darwinian evolution theory is a reasonable theory for what the fossil record data reveal.  The facts are what they are.  The earth has been getting gradually drier and drier for the last 40,000 years or so.  That’s actually the direct reason why the original civilized black race finally settled in the Nile valley and eventually built up the Ancient Egyptian civilization.  In their own records they said it began 30,000 years ago… when Africa started getting so dry they were no longer comfortable wandering North & South across the great continent with their legions of flocks like they had been doing for untold ages out of memory.  In those distant days, the earth was much wetter and much greener.  The deserts were tinier, and many huge deserts we take for granted today didn’t even exist in those times.  And the animals!!  There were numerous animals everywhere, of such variety you couldn’t take it to see them.  This was long ago; too long indeed for members of our society to even fathom.  Earth is volatile.  Far more volatile than the volcanoes, hurricanes, and earthquakes we currently experience will have you believe.  It’s capable of MUCH more, and has experienced much more as well.  As you zoom out, look at larger and larger blocks of time in which our species had to endure, you will see that the odds of the global cataclysm happened with much more frequency.  And in fact, we are actually due for another one.  Perhaps it will actually be the super-volcano of Yellow Stone National Park that will finally violently explode, taking ¾ of the human race with it.  Who knows?  But it will be SOMETHING.  The earth isn’t our friend all the time.  In the distant past, there used to be a lot more animals, a lot more varieties of people roaming, and a much more volatile Mother Earth.  These three items aren’t theory… they are fact.  It is up to you to theorize what they can mean.  I filter them through the Word of God myself, and see what comes out on the other side.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “As you say ''probably a bit too early,'' I subscribe to a notion that the collected data is ''probably completely accurate,'' in regards to us not being part cavemen, or monkey people...lol”
Well, a “caveman” is simply someone who lives in a cave.  You can find those in the earth now.  But the “monkeyman” creature is part of the Darwinist narrative, and I don’t subscribe to that anymore than you do as far as it being something that we evolved from.  No.  The fossil record does show that there were other great apes in the world though; that the chimpanzee, the gorilla, the orangutan, and the gibbon were not the only ones in those ancient green days.  Many more great ape species have become extinct than are alive right now.  The Darwinists will have you believe that those creatures WERE you in a previous form, but I reject this.  lol  Basically I’m in total agreement with you on that note, but I do recognize that those creatures were real.  They just don’t represent what those folk say they represent. 
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “I have seen the the images offered up by the 'Darwinist,' and I have long been puzzled as to how something that is so speculative could be accepted as hard science.”
At this point it should be obvious.  The atheists have latched onto that theory because they were desperate to find something “real” to replace God with.  As far fetched as it is, to them, it is not as far fetched as the truly unique and all-powerful Supreme Creator who created this reality from a single point in the distant past.  But the intellectual class of western society has indeed accepted this theory as “real,” and put enormous pressure on all of our schools of learning to present is as a truth.  That’s why it’s important to think for yourself; not to think inside of the box, because you don’t know where that box came from.
In this case, it came from the unrepentant hellbound.  The Godless.  And no good can come from it.
Clifton Hatchett - ''Caveman,'' was a reference to the widely held description of Neanderthal types that come to mind when one hears the term ''Caveman,'' not the person whom has simply sought refuge in a cave. Aside from that I agree with the majority of your assessment.

The Book, The Virgin, & The Fury (pt. 4)

Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “Funny thing is I already know how this will play out and I will be wasting my time.”
lol
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “But at least the onlookers will get something out of this.”
Maybe.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “He thinks I don't know anything about the "Dead Sea Scrolls…'"
You don’t.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “…or the ‘Big Bang Theory’ lol. I live this eat sleep shit this.”
Let the record show that you failed to realize the significance of Big Bang and how it actually supports the organized religions that all dumbasses dismiss as fictions. If you “live to eat it up” then clearly you’ve been shoving it in the wrong end.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “I did a study some years back on the Rosetta Stone…”
No, you didn’t.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “…and that led to me studying the origins of language…”
No, you didn’t.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “…which in turn I discovered some of the sources of religions which date back to the ancient Babylons and even further back civilizations.”
The phrase “the sources of religions” is nonsensical babbling. Humans have always had religion. It’s one of the things that actually make us “human,” and we built our civilizations around the concept from the earliest age.
Proclaiming that the source of religions dates back to earluier religion is stupid. Either rephrase it and say what you actually mean (that modern Abrahamic religions have their source in ancient religions perhaps is what you are attempting to express…?) or shut up.
Rahlistic Visions posted link: “Languages Grew From a Seed in Africa, a Study Says”
Religion isn’t mentioned in this article. smh Did you even read this linked article that you obviously Googled just a minute ago? Virginia obviously didn’t read it either since he’s hi-fiving you.
And since humans left Africa as modern homo sapiens to populate the rest of the globe, why WOULDN’T “languages grow from a seed” there? Again, this is another “preaching to the choir” post.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions posted link: “Is this how Eve spoke? Every human language evolved from 'single prehistoric...”
Religion isn’t mentioned in this link either.
Muhammad Rasheed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib89NN...
Clifton Hatchett - One of the greatest scenes in cinematic history.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “May I ask what you have against the N.O.I., and the 5%Nation...”
The Holy Qur’an 6:155, 159And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy.As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least. Their affair is with Allah; He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
First, God said NOT to divide the religion into sects. That’s bad enough all by itself, and I have nothing for the various sects anyway. But with the NOI, there are additional items attached that are actually FAR worse than just the sect thing.
As you know, Farrakhan’s group isn’t the original NOI. The original was “The Lost-Found Nation of Islam in the Wilderness of North America,” called “Nation of Islam” for short, and was founded by W.D. Fard and ran by Elijah Muhammad who was the public face. Both Fard and Elijah claimed that Fard was “Allah in person,” a horrifying and unacceptable blasphemy in Al-Islam. They also violated the Islamic Pillar of Belief in the Unseen, and denied the spirit. Another great blasphemy in Al-Islam.
The Holy Qur’an 2:2-5This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and in their hearts have the assurance of the Hereafter.They are on true guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
They both claimed that Elijah was the “last messenger of Allah,” another great wrong… how they beckon themselves to the Fire! They claimed that the black race itself was divine, and collectively were “god.” In short, this group is merely pretending to be Muslims and are little more than pagans who use common Arabic terms traditionally associated with Islam, and I find it quite offensive. In 1975, Elijah died, and his son Wallace (Warith Deen Muhammad) took over the organization. He had long ago (in partnership with Malcolm X later) abandoned his father’s blasphemous version of the faith and converted to true Al-Islam, and when he took over, changed the entire organization under the orthodox deen/faith. Louis Farrakhan strongly disagreed with this, left the new “American Muslim Mission” as Wallace renamed it at the time, and took like-minded members with him to continue his version of Elijah’s original group, this time called “Nation of Islam” as its full name.
The NOI was never true Islam from the start, and no aspect of its doctrine is of God. Of course, the strength of the group is the “black nationalist” aspect, in which it sought to empower the disenfranchised poor blacks to have a strong economic and independent community of its own. As of this time, the fruits of even those efforts have accomplished absolutely nothing. Elijah’s legacy has left nothing but scandals and additional schisms, and today, the class of the black poor are larger than it’s ever been, and the gap between the black poor and black middle class is wider than ever.
So basically, in addition to being pagan and blasphemous, even their purported mission has been a total failure, and the same for any offshoot organizations that came from them like the Five Percenters, and Malachi York’s group[s]. If it wasn’t for their foolishness – and Fard’s peculiar brand of egocentrism – they may well have been the best thing that happened to our people if only they had introduced true Al-Islam to our people from the beginning. Instead, to me in any event, they are a complete joke and an embarrassment in Black American History.
Muhammad Rasheed - https://www.facebook.com/notes/muhamm...
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Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Interesting...I am familiar with at least sixteen solar saviors who were born of a virgin, and resurrected before the ‘Jesus,’ mythos.”
Why would that suggest that it didn’t happen to Jesus? Does the bible ever make the claim that the scenario was supposed to be unique to the Christ?
Muhammad Rasheed - Adam Jack wrote: “I believe in and follow the teaching of the Nordic gods... Who are you to tell me my faith is unfounded. To say any god is more valid or real than another is no different than listening into a group of kindergarten children arguing over who's daddy is the strongest. In their eyes he's the world and that's all that matter.”
There is only One God with a message that has endured throughout the ages, in which He addresses mankind directly, tells them who He is, explains that all other “gods” are but fictions, and commands mankind to follow His tenants that they may prosper in this life and in the next. As such, this message confirms this One God as the sole Authority and Expert on the subject.
Where is the message of Thor to challenge these claims?
Clifton Hatchett - @Muhammad… ''Does the Bible ever make the claim that the scenario is supposed to be unique to the Christ,''....Seriously....you're being facetious I'm sure... No the Bible does not make the claim, but the scenario described in Matthew 1; 18-25, and Luke 1:26-28, is not something that would happen with frequency. Would it.... I overstand that the issue is one of faith, but I also find it most peculiar that the gospel of Mark which is the oldest of the gospels, and the shortest, makes no mention of any such birth, nor does John make any such claim...So no it does not explicitly say ''the virgin birth is unique to Christ,'' but what you have suggested by asking ''Does the Bible ever make the claim that that the scenario is unique to the Christ,'' is that there was nothing unique about the birth of the Christ, and such a position is befuddling inasmuch as the uniqueness of Christ is at the crux of the faith, or are you suggesting that it is not...
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “....Seriously....you're being facetious I'm sure...”
No.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “No the Bible does not make the claim, but the scenario described in Matthew 1; 18-25, and Luke 1:26-28, is not something that would happen with frequency.”
It sounds like you are building a strawman and arguing against it as if the claim represented the whole point of the Christian faith. That would be a logical fallacy. If the bible never made the claim that it was unique, but the whole point of your contention is that it wasn’t unique, then the issue lies with you building a false argument.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “… but what you have suggested by asking 'Does the Bible ever make the claim that that the scenario is unique to the Christ,' is that there was nothing unique about the birth of the Christ, and such a position is befuddling inasmuch as the uniqueness of Christ is at the crux of the faith, or are you suggesting that it is not...”
Within the Qur’anic verses I posted earlier in this thread in which God talks about Jesus, He said that He created Jesus in a matter no different than how He created Adam in the first place. So the event was not unique in and of itself. It seems as if the anti-Christian is taking a position that was never stated in religion, if neither the bible nor the Qur’an said it was unique. In order to have a serious argument, you should confine your contentions to those actively supported by your opponent, instead of indulging in logical fallacies by inventing strawman arguments and pretending that is your opponents view.
I’m just sayin.’
Clifton Hatchett - False. You assume that I'm building a strawman. Good catch phrase, but grossly, unequivocally, and undoubtedly not the case. Is the uniqueness of his birth and eventual resurrection not at the cornerstone of the faith, along with salvation of course... Your identification of a strawman has become an argumentative crutch, indicative of a lack of proper contextual anaylisis. The interjection of Adam into the argument is irrelevant, because his creation would automatically be unique because he is said to have been the first man created, as there was no female that could have conceived him by natural means. Before you make the fallacy of presuming your contention is correct, you should not offer up points that nullify the basis of uniqueness, as this is counter intuitive to the majority of Christian dogmas.
Clifton Hatchett - The unique quality surrounding his birth is not explicit, but it is implicit brother Muhammad.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “False. You assume that I'm building a strawman. Good catch phrase, but grossly, unequivocally, and undoubtedly not the case.”
If you are arguing something that your opponent never said, then that is a strawman by definition, based on your own assumptions.
“A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent's argument. To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument. The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.”~Stephen Downes, The Logical Fallacies
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Is the uniqueness of his birth and eventual resurrection not at the cornerstone of the faith, along with salvation of course...”No, it is the fact that it happened at all, at that precise timing, with that precise individual, regarding that precise message that makes it relevant. No one said it was unique except their opponents.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Your identification of a strawman has become an argumentative crutch, indicative of a lack of proper contextual anaylisis.”
No, it is a fallacy and weak link within your own argument. Again, you should confine your contentions to those items your opponent actually makes claim to. Then you will significantly lessen your penchant for creating weak arguments, which seems to be your trademark.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “The interjection of Adam into the argument is irrelevant…”
When God Himself said He used the same technique to create both messengers? Your logic is faulty.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…because his creation would automatically be unique because he is said to have been the first man created, as there was no female that could have conceived him by natural means.”
Who said there was no female? How did you jump to that conclusion? Based on what? btw be careful of jumping to the exact same types of conclusions based on false inferences never mentioned in the text over items you argue in your opponent.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Before you make the fallacy of presuming your contention is correct…”
Now you’re just throwing random words at me.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…you should not offer up points that nullify the basis of uniqueness, as this is counter intuitive to the majority of Christian dogmas.”
The “uniqueness” is something you made up, remember, since it is not unique in the Qur’an, nor in the bible as you admit.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett The unique quality surrounding his birth is not explicit, but it is implicit brother Muhammad.”
Ha! Only because you NEED it to be in order to not argue from the weak position of a fallacy. Meanwhile the texts themselves do not support your inference.
You lose. lol
Clifton Hatchett - I stated that the uniqueness is not explicit it is implicit. Two points that you raise are that there is nothing unique about the Virgin Birth, how you came to such a conclusion is a rare position to be sure, next you ask the question, ''Who said there were no females,'' again sir this is indicated implicitly by your very own contention that ''he(GOD) created Jesus in a fashion no different than how he created Adam,'' if there were females as you intimated, than there would be no need for Adam to have been created as opposed to birthed. I am familiar with the ''Strawman,'' and your reliance on it, even though such is not the case. You assume from a false pretense. Again sir the uniqueness is not explicit, it is implicit.
Clifton Hatchett - lol...I most certainly do not lose. Such has never been the case between you and I, you're just delusional, but you're still my little buddy, delusional tendencies and all.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “I stated that the uniqueness is not explicit it is implicit.”
When God Himself pointblank said He used the technique before? Again, your logic is faulty.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Two points that you raise are that there is nothing unique about the Virgin Birth, how you came to such a conclusion is a rare position to be sure, next you ask the question, 'Who said there were no females,' again sir this is indicated implicitly by your very own contention that 'he(GOD) created Jesus in a fashion no different than how he created Adam,’ if there were females as you intimated, than there would be no need for Adam to have been created as opposed to birthed.”
lol These are yet more fallacies based on your narrow and backwards reasoning.
1.) God said he used the same technique to create them both, and we KNOW Jesus was born of a woman with no father. Therefore – as should be obvious – Adam was ALSO born of a woman with no father.
2.) All beings are “created.” God creates them in the time honored tradition of insemination, gestation, and birth. That how God creates us. All of us.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “I am familiar with the 'Strawman...’”
Sure. lol
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…and your reliance on it…”
MY reliance on it??? You’re the one using it now. Notice that according to the definition, it is a common fallacy used. So there should be no surprise that the phrase keeps popping up whenever you are involved in a discussion for what should be obvious reasons. You have weak arguments that are often peppered with strawmen. I’m just letting you know so you can perhaps recognize the deficiency and fix yo’self.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…even though such is not the case. You assume from a false pretense. Again sir the uniqueness is not explicit, it is implicit.”
The ‘uniqueness’ is simply made up by you. Should I be surprised that the disbeliever not only has poor understanding and insight within sacred scripture, but also has a tendency to simply make up false contentions out of thin air that he tries to force upon religion?
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton you've never won an argument. You're certainly not winning this one since your entire stance is built upon a common fallacy.
What other argument do you think you've won? As you know I have them all on my Trophy Wall.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “No the Bible does not make the claim..."
This is the point where you lost. Anything else is simply stuff you made up based on backwards and faulty thinking.
Period.
Clifton Hatchett - The contention that there was nothing unique about a virgin birth is a position most assuredly held by you, and few others. To point a fact, it is a contention you interjected as a desperate attempt to avoid conceding defeat. You presume that God creating them in a ''similar,'' fashion, is the same as an ''exact,'' fashion. You lack understanding as you have leaped to the conclusion that Jesus, the latter, could be used as a template of explanation for the creation of the former, Adam. The word of GOD is not to be questioned for sure but your perception, or in this case, lack of proper perception is assuredly questionable. You claim, ''you have weak arguments that are peppered with strawmen,'' hilarious, in actuality sir, in all probability you have grown accustomed to this crutch, and subsequently interject it far to frequently with your typically feeble rebuttals which are predictably followed by declarations of victory. You go on to say, ''should I be surprised that the disbeliever not only has poor understanding and insight within sacred scripture.'' Nothing could be further from the truth, the disbeliever tag, or the lack of understanding. You have obviously grossly misinterpreted my stance. To be sure sir I do not need to believe in a GOD that I know. You reliance on an antiquated perception is evidence a diminishing capacity to construct a logical argument to support your stance that a virgin birth is nothing unique Rasheed.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: “The contention that there was nothing unique about a virgin birth is a position most assuredly held by you, and few others.”
There’s a difference between “rare” and “unique,” Clifton. lol
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “To point a fact, it is a contention you interjected as a desperate attempt to avoid conceding defeat. You presume that God creating them in a ''similar,'' fashion, is the same as an ''exact,'' fashion.”
And on what basis are you using to determine what points were different or not? Hm?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “You lack understanding as you have leaped to the conclusion that Jesus, the latter, could be used as a template of explanation for the creation of the former, Adam.”
When God Himself said that Adam was indeed the template? Again, your logic is faulty.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “The word of GOD is not to be questioned for sure but your perception, or in this case, lack of proper perception is assuredly questionable.”
Is it? You admit what the bible did not claim, and yet insist that the strawman you created is a proper perception? Do you hear yourself?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “You claim, ''you have weak arguments that are peppered with strawmen,'' hilarious, in actuality sir, in all probability you have grown accustomed to this crutch, and subsequently interject it far to frequently with your typically feeble rebuttals which are predictably followed by declarations of victory. You go on to say, ''should I be surprised that the disbeliever not only has poor understanding and insight within sacred scripture.'' Nothing could be further from the truth, the disbeliever tag, or the lack of understanding.”
You’re the one that decided to attack the bible from a place of weak arguments and even weaker insights.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “You have obviously grossly misinterpreted my stance.”
According to you, the “Jesus mythos” isn’t real because figures in the past have had virgin births before. Is this not your stance?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “To be sure sir I do not need to believe in a GOD that I know.”
Another strawman? What does that have to do with anything?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “You reliance on an antiquated perception…”
Earlier you said the perception was held only by me. Now you are saying it used to be held by many others? How do you know?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…is evidence a diminishing capacity to construct a logical argument to support your stance that a virgin birth is nothing unique Rasheed.”
Now you’re throwing another jumbled word salad at me. Like this guy…

Clifton Hatchett - Mr. Muhammad Rasheed

Clifton Hatchett - ''There is a difference between rare and unique,''..Do you know the difference sir, you asked me, and I most assuredly am asking the same of you....you stated(typed), ''And on what basis are you using to determine what points were different,or not,'...to which the answer could not be more blatant, for the very definition of the word ''similar,''is at the core of your attempt to point out an exact comparability between the Adam, and Jesus narratives on their conceptions or creations. ''Similar,'' by definition means a general likeness, or a general resemblance. That in and of itself implies there was a difference. Furthermore you went on to say GOD himself said Adam was a ''template,'' as in a pattern for, which is not to be confused with a duplicate, as you have clearly mistaken by insisting that the creation of Adam and Jesus are exactly the same. You are not properly comprehending. Read your own supposed point, the key word in what you contend is ''template,'' a redundancy that proves you do not understand clearly as I have addressed prior by defining ''similar.'' ''Template,'' ''similar,'' are not synonymous with exact. Your lack of comprehension becomes even more blatant by stating, ''you(me) admit what the Bible did not claim,'' while neglecting to point out that I also stated that the meaning was implicit as opposed to explicit. I can only deduce that you have not read my statements in their entirety, or you've come to the obvious realization that acknowledging this point negates the already faulty contention you've offered up. ''The Jesus mythos,'' and the other parallel tales of ''messianic figures born of virgins,'' can not be your argument. What you are attempting with this portion of your bogus analysis is to essentially have your cake and eat it too, I mean are you implying(yes) that the other characters born of virgins are not allegory, but factual accounts, and given your devotion to Islam such can not be the case....Can it...of course it can not. In addition your argument is flawed with your grasping for a eureka moment as you wag your finger by stating ''Another Strawman,''(sigh) What does that have to do with anything,''....Everything actually because you lied when you stated, ''should I be surprised that the disbeliever...yada, yada, yada,'' You said I was a disbeliever, and this is consistent with your apparently persistent delusional mindset, or have you grown fawn of leveling false accusations to bolster your own morality... Neither of which is a good thing. You have done nothing to further your contention that there is nothing special about a virgin birth, I scoff at this notion, unless you can point out the numerous virgin births to which you accept as credible accounts. Rhetorical, because as I said a person such as yourself is not allowed to play on both sides of the proverbial fence.
Clifton Hatchett - And if you use that meme again I will teleport to your location and punch you... I hate those types...lollol, seriously. Don't use that one again...lol
Muhammad Rasheed - ^lol Quit acting like him and I won't use it. Deal?
hahaha
Clifton Hatchett - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: ''’There is a difference between rare and unique,''..Do you know the difference sir, you asked me, and I most assuredly am asking the same of you...”
“Unique” means it only happened once. “Rare” means it happens infrequently.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: ''…you stated(typed), ''And on what basis are you using to determine what points were different,or not,'...to which the answer could not be more blatant, for the very definition of the word ''similar,''is at the core of your attempt to point out an exact comparability between the Adam, and Jesus narratives on their conceptions or creations.”
You failed to understand the question. I blame myself. Let me try again: God said He used “similar” means. What information would you use to determine what differences were made in God’s technique? By what means would you determine the difference?
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “'Similar,’' by definition means a general likeness, or a general resemblance. That in and of itself implies there was a difference. Furthermore you went on to say GOD himself said Adam was a ''template,'' as in a pattern for, which is not to be confused with a duplicate, as you have clearly mistaken by insisting that the creation of Adam and Jesus are exactly the same. You are not properly comprehending. Read your own supposed point, the key word in what you contend is ‘template,' a redundancy that proves you do not understand clearly as I have addressed prior by defining 'similar.' 'Template,' 'similar,' are not synonymous with exact.”
I was speculating as to whether Adam was the template for the technique. It’s possible that God used the same technique before that, on earlier prototypes of human-like creatures, or more likely, other types of animal altogether. Like the dinosaurs. Who knows? In any event, exactly what He did do with Adam is information that is firmly within the realm unseen. We know only the tiny hints God has given us about the matter, and in this case, He said that the technique He used to create Jesus, was similar to the one He used to create Adam. What else do we know? We know that when God creates men, he creates them in the wombs of their mothers. Jesus was created in the womb of his mother. What was the difference here that made him special? There was no father present to inseminate him. Was Adam special? Yes. He was the first man; the first of the homo sapien species. God said He created him in a manner similar to the one He used when He created Jesus, who He created in the womb of his mother without the presence of a father to inseminate him. You’re making a big deal of the word “similar.” Why? No mystery; you are trying to desperately find a place of purchase so you can recover from this defeat. lol “Similar” means that the exact details of the matter were difference, but the main over-all concept was the same. I am the oldest of nine siblings all born from the union of the same two parents. In each of our cases, the over-all concept of the manner of our births was the same, while the exact details in each case were different. In other words, we were all created by our Lord in similar manner.
Also, not inconsequentially, in the science behind the concept of “parthenogenesis,” which is the form of reproduction in which growth and development of embryos occur without fertilization relevant to this discussion, there are at least 3 or 4 ways in which this process can actually happen, even in mammals (albeit, of course, extremely rare). It’s highly possible that the “similar” God is referring to means that one of those specific parthenogenesis techniques was used on Adam, and another was used on the Christ. The differences are only on the cellular level however, and still absolutely require the gestation of the fetus within the womb of the mother. Either of these two concepts is reasonable enough to provide the requirements of your ‘similar.’ And I still win. lol
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Your lack of comprehension becomes even more blatant by stating, 'you(me) admit what the Bible did not claim,'' while neglecting to point out that I also stated that the meaning was implicit as opposed to explicit.”
Your imaginary “implicit” in the wake of God point blank telling you the manner of the Christ’s birth was not unique, is growing tiresome.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “I can only deduce that you have not read my statements in their entirety…”
I did, and found them foolish.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…or you've come to the obvious realization that acknowledging this point negates the already faulty contention you've offered up. ''The Jesus mythos,'' and the other parallel tales of ''messianic figures born of virgins,'' can not be your argument. What you are attempting with this portion of your bogus analysis is to essentially have your cake and eat it too, I mean are you implying(yes) that the other characters born of virgins are not allegory, but factual accounts, and given your devotion to Islam such can not be the case....Can it...of course it can not.”
This is your own ignorance speaking. The proven scientific concept of parthenogenesis is well known, and although far more common among less complex life forms, absolutely does occur rarely in mammals. The virgin birth wasn’t a miracle because it happened; it was a miracle because it happened “in God’s timing.” And whose timing is more perfect than that of Allah? Again, I find the quality of your scriptural insight abysmal.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “In addition your argument is flawed with your grasping for a eureka moment as you wag your finger by stating ''Another Strawman,''(sigh)”
That’s not a “eureka moment.” You commonly use straw men because you have weak arguments. *shrug*
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “What does that have to do with anything,''....Everything actually because you lied when you stated, ''should I be surprised that the disbeliever...yada, yada, yada,'' You said I was a disbeliever, and this is consistent with your apparently persistent delusional mindset, or have you grown fawn of leveling false accusations to bolster your own morality... Neither of which is a good thing.”
You have more than enough anti-religion memes and status posts on your Timeline to give the quite reasonable impression that you are a disbeliever. Is this your way of saying you are not? God says there are very specific items that He requires from those who claim to believe in Him. Do you use this list as check off items to be sure to be on The Path, or do you willy-nilly make up your own version of what you think He requires, assuring an express trip to the Fire?
Tell me what do you believe and we can settle the matter right here and right now.
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “You have done nothing to further your contention that there is nothing special about a virgin birth…”
God said He did it before. wtf? lol
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “…I scoff at this notion, unless you can point out the numerous virgin births to which you accept as credible accounts.”
Adam’s for one, which is the only one of relevance, and the only one I know for sure since the Supreme Creator of the heavens & the earth confirms it.
lol
Clifton Hatchett wrote: “Rhetorical, because as I said a person such as yourself is not allowed to play on both sides of the proverbial fence.”
The “fence” exists only within your own narrow mind. tsk
Clifton Hatchett - Obliteration of this heavily speculative response will be child's play,... I'll give you a moment to review and rethink your contention, if not you're going to find yourself playing the role of Tokyo, and I'll be Godzilla.
Muhammad Rasheed - Riiiiiight...
Muhammad Rasheed - Come at me, bro.
Muhammad Rasheed - I know at LEAST 85% of it went right over your goofy li'l head.
Muhammad Rasheed - My bottom line is that If you are arguing something that your opponent never said, then that is a strawman by definition, based on your own assumptions. "Implicit" is something you literally made up based on what you are projecting, it is not a truth in the text, ESPECIALLY when the Author of said text told you He did it before.
That by itself is a solid wall you can't get behind.
Clifton Hatchett - lollol.... @''come at me bro.'' As to the inevitability of your demise in this arena, as though you doubt my victory, and as far as that goes

Muhammad Rasheed - 'Faith' that you actually have the ability to win an argument over me?
Truly that would be a miracle greater than the virgin birth...
Clifton Hatchett - You certainly can not use the ''Projection,'' label as you resemble this to the letter... nice to see you still have little fight left.
Muhammad Rasheed - Stop wasting time and get to typing your counter argument. It's 11pm on my side of the world. I don't have all night.
Clifton Hatchett - Your rebuttal was extremely speculative, with the waffling of a prototypical bad politician. Your own words prove the means of your defeat. You refuse to acknowledge the definition of the word similar. This is unsettling and pathetic, as this is further validation of a fundamental lack of comprehension, or even the most miniscule grasp of nuance. You had the temerity to state ''I was speculating as to whether Adam was the template for the technique. It's possible that GOD used the same technique before that on earlier human-type creatures,'' this is where your argument begins to descend into lunacy, idiocy, and being preposterous beyond all shadow of doubt. Where is this kooky theory supported in scripture. ''Earlier Human-type creatures,'' again I dismiss this outright, that sure as hell come from no sacred text, and I can't even begin to fathom how you offer this as a reasonable point. HORRIBLE. as you stated, These are just absurd speculations. In continuing you quite predictably went on to introduce parthenogenesis. Did you actually think by stating ''this process can even happen in mammals,'' that it was true, if so, this is further proof of you becoming delusional. Your parthenogenesis contention is grossly inadequate and FALSE! UNTRUE! Let us briefly examine a collaborative work entitled Minireview: Parthenogenesis in Mammals,done by Nathalien Rougier, and Zena Werb from the Department of Anatomy, University of California, in which they state bluntly ''adult parthenogenesis has never been recorded in mammals.'' (You were saying) Now I will give you the acknowledgement that the phenomenon has been observed in nature, but never in the manor in which you presented as evidence, and never in mammal, and being that humans are mammals, you failed to prove anything. I know you didn't just lie, and make up some foolishness, oh wait, you did just lie and make up some foolishness. As your arguments falter I have grown accustomed to the obligatory attempts at character assassination as you point out ''You have more than enough anti-religion memes on your Timeline,'' this is further evidence of a complete lack of any ability to grasp nuance. Like at all. As in, no clue. You're stuck on religion as though GOD and religion were automatically one and the same. In closing, you continue to beat that poor dead horse by proclaiming ''GOD said he did it before,'' No he didn't, as you stated earlier, the word GOD used was ''similar.'' You offered up a pitifully speculative argument, and attempted to be deceitful in the interjection of a Parthenogenesis scenario that was supported by nothing. You went on to reinforce your foolishness by introducing ''Monkey People,'' who gave birth to Adam, a human being by your own admission and thus hammered in the final nail in your own coffin Monkeymen and dinosaurs bro....

The Book, The Virgin, & The Fury (pt. 3)

Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "LOL why is it so hard for you not to insult me?"
Because atheist-pagans are my ideological enemy, especially when they're stupid.
Muhammad Rasheed - Give me a reason NOT to insult you.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "facts do that you know."
uhhh... You DO realize you haven't posted a single fact backing up the only definitive claim you made in this whole thread, right?
Muhammad Rasheed - Are you doing drugs?
Rahlistic Visions - lol reaaaaaaly....

Muhammad Rasheed - Do we have to go to the basics again?
What's a "fact," Rahlistic?
Rahlistic Visions - I should be asking you the same.
Rahlistic Visions - What kind of shit are you on?
Muhammad Rasheed - You don't get to ask questions until you finish finding the proof that the 12 apostles were named after the moon cycles.
Muhammad Rasheed - Where's the fact[s] that proves that claim?
Rahlistic Visions - ok ok are we going to stay on track.....cause I don't deal with emotional negros. Keep your anger to yourself Mr. Extreme. Now back to the facts.
Rahlistic Visions - basically you have an agenda.
Muhammad Rasheed - Where's the fact[s] that proves that claim?
Rahlistic Visions - your not here to see the truth just to prove something that could be a lie. A lie that you will go crazy mad to protect.....furious even.
Muhammad Rasheed - While you're looking you can bring back the facts that prove that what I hold is a lie.
Muhammad Rasheed - Naturally... as a former Muslim... you already know that I don't believe that Jesus was divine in anyway, so I certainly don't expect you to waste my time with any of that, right?
Rahlistic Visions - I see what your about.....there is only one solution for you. You will have to face the consequences and reality will show you but you will be too deaf dumb and blind to see it when it is happening to you. No that was not an insult though just the truth.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "your not here to see the truth..."
I'm literally officially giving you the chance to prove what you claim is true.
Go for it. I'm listening. If it IS true I won't be able to deny it, right? The truth will speak for itself, right? Go for it.
Rahlistic Visions - oh so your a muslim ok
Muhammad Rasheed - Really? lol
Rahlistic Visions - NOI?
Muhammad Rasheed - "Muhammad Rasheed?"
Rahlistic Visions - their are Christians with Muslim names
Rahlistic Visions - there
Muhammad Rasheed - How many of them quote the Qur'an at length while calling it "holy," Rahlistic?
Rahlistic Visions - I must have missed that.
Muhammad Rasheed - Common sense...? hello?
Rahlistic Visions - hmmmm like I said...I must have missd that. I didn't read the whole thing.
Rahlistic Visions - NOI?
Muhammad Rasheed - Alright, I'll give you that.
Muhammad Rasheed - Now where's your proof for this apostle thing?
Rahlistic Visions - Nation of Islam?
Muhammad Rasheed - Will this line of questioning help you with your apostle/month dilemma?
Rahlistic Visions - Yup
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahhaaa
Rahlistic Visions - I have to see where your coming from?
Muhammad Rasheed - You see how hard you make it for me to play nice and not start calling you names and shit?
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahahaha
Rahlistic Visions - why
Muhammad Rasheed - What the fuck does that have to do with YOU proving YOUR shit?
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahahahaha
Muhammad Rasheed - Did "where you were coming from" have ANYTHING to do with me posting Dr. Eisenman's book over my Jesus/James claim?
Muhammad Rasheed - Did it?  You either have the proof to back your claims or you don't.  What the fuck does my background have to do with it?
Rahlistic Visions - I don't get it. Calling me names for what? Did I slap your girl or something. It's just a discussion.
Muhammad Rasheed - You are so full of shit...
Muhammad Rasheed - Because you are dishonest and full of shit and proud of it.
Muhammad Rasheed - FUCK no, I'm not in that ignorant ass Nation of Islam.
Muhammad Rasheed - What else?
Rahlistic Visions - hmmmmm dishonest where? where do you see dishonesty?
Muhammad Rasheed - Really?
Rahlistic Visions - What was I dishonest about.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic just admit that you have ZERO IDEA where this info came from, and you lied to me about reading it somewhere else.

Muhammad Rasheed - Integrity Check.
Muhammad Rasheed - 5... 4... 3... 2...
Muhammad Rasheed - [looks @ watch]
Muhammad Rasheed - Well?
Muhammad Rasheed - This is your chance to prove your honesty.
Muhammad Rasheed - Do it.
Rahlistic Visions - This is like arguing with a female with PMS. All this emotional anger.
Muhammad Rasheed - DO IT!!! I'M HERRRE! KILL ME!!!

Muhammad Rasheed - WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR????
Rahlistic Visions - that was not a lie. Like the Minister Louis Farrakhan said..you can either take that or leave it alone. I have already posted up several examples.
Muhammad Rasheed - Several examples of WHAT?
Not a single "example" proved the original claim.
Muhammad Rasheed - So what the fuck are you supposed to be talking about?
Rahlistic Visions - Where is Jesus now? Do you have any pictures? Any proof that he can and has done anything for you?
Muhammad Rasheed - Any pictures of a man that lived 2,000 years ago?
Where? in my wallet?
Muhammad Rasheed - Is this you demonstrating more of your bullshit dishonesty?
Rahlistic Visions - lol why would I kill you? Are you ok? How did this turn into me trying to kill you? whoa.
Muhammad Rasheed - WHY WOULD I GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT PICTURES OF JESUS, YOU FUCKING DUMBASS????
Muhammad Rasheed - Didn't you say you used to be a Muslim???????????
Muhammad Rasheed - WHY WOULD A MUSLIM GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PICTURES OF JESUS?????????????
Rahlistic Visions - Dude you need to do a facts check and a mental check on yourself first before you debate me.
Muhammad Rasheed - You don't know what the fuck a debate is, you lying sack of shit!
Rahlistic Visions - matter fact this is not a debate I keep on telling you I want to see the proof.
Rahlistic Visions - Just prove it to me.
Muhammad Rasheed - FUCK! I hate ignorant ass niggas!!!!!
Muhammad Rasheed - FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Muhammad Rasheed - Stupid simple little bitch!!!
Muhammad Rasheed - You're 12, aren't you?
Muhammad Rasheed - Aren't you?
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton is playing me, right?
Muhammad Rasheed - This whole thing was a set up...
Muhammad Rasheed - Some kind of Clifton revenge for an old argument he lost...?
Muhammad Rasheed - Okay, you got me.
Muhammad Rasheed - Good one.
Rahlistic Visions - nah this is just me talking.
Muhammad Rasheed - nah, you got me. You win.
Muhammad Rasheed - "I get my knowledge from the air."
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahah
Muhammad Rasheed - I should've known then.
Rahlistic Visions - yaaaaawn!!!
Muhammad Rasheed - I can't believe I fell for it.
Rahlistic Visions - nah I'm real
Muhammad Rasheed - There's nothing real about you, son. Well played.
Muhammad Rasheed - [props]
Muhammad Rasheed - [salute]
Rahlistic Visions - Clifton has nothing to do with this. He is probably laughing at me going back and forth with you and producing nothingn.
Rahlistic Visions - If you say so.
Muhammad Rasheed - Here's a guy that's further along in his atheist-pagan walk than you are:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/muhamm...
Muhammad Rasheed - His argument didn't make any more sense than yours does though.
Muhammad Rasheed - (mostly because y'all like to just make shit up)
Rahlistic Visions -

Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "matter fact this is not a debate..."
You're damn right it wasn't. 
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "I keep on telling you I want to see the proof. Just prove it to me"
I have no idea what you are talking about. So even though you can't prove that the 12 apostles were named for the 12 months, you insist that I prove to you something you should already know about Islam based on your lie that you used to be a Muslim? Is that right?That's the shit right there that makes me think I was arguing with a kid this whole time.Rahlistic Visions - I said their concept derived from the 12 months and astrological signs of the zodiac...or better yet....the cosmos. It came from a stories explaining the cosmos and that picture was not proof of that it was just an example of what I meant. I got my information form numerous sources from different angles. I did a study some years back on the Rosetta Stone and that led to me studying the origins of language which in turn I discovered some of the sources of religions which date back to the ancient Babylons and even further back civilizations. All those religions are just retold stories that have been changed and revised over time to fit a specified agenda. All I'm saying is I would rather rely on what I can prove here and now and what "Actually happens" in the world as the truth and not some unproven myth or mystery gods.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “I said their concept derived from the 12 months and astrological signs of the zodiac...or better yet....the cosmos.”
And you were unable to prove it. Interesting.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “It came from a stories explaining the cosmos…”
And you couldn’t post a single one of these imaginary stories as your proof, huh? Also interesting.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “…and that picture was not proof of that it was just an example of what I meant. I got my information form numerous sources from different angles.”
Sure you did. Your complete lack of proof reveals the exact opposite of that.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “I did a study some years back on the Rosetta Stone and that led to me studying the origins of language which in turn I discovered some of the sources of religions which date back to the ancient Babylons and even further back civilizations.”
All of that is a complete lie.


Rahlistic Visions wrote: “All those religions are just retold stories that have been changed and revised over time to fit a specified agenda.”

What agenda?

Rahlistic Visions wrote: “All I'm saying is I would rather rely on what I can prove here and now…”

How ironic is THAT shit? lol

Rahlistic Visions wrote: “…and what ‘Actually happens’ in the world as the truth and not some unproven myth or mystery gods.”

Right now your claim that the 12 apostles were named after the 12 months IS the unproven myth. Take a bow.

Rahlistic Visions - Your using straw man tactics you keep rewriting your own version of my statements and rewording them so that your rebuttal looks like it is disproving what I am saying when you are really disproving your version of what I'm saying.

Rahlistic Visions - reply when you are serious.

Rahlistic Visions - Next time try using the truth to argue the truth.

Muhammad Rasheed - So you just wasted 3 posts to NOT post the proof that backs up your claims?
Muhammad Rasheed - Do you not see that if only you posted definitive proof of the claims you make I wouldn't be able to write a narrative for you?
How come you don't write it yourself? Post your PROOFS if you are truthful!
Muhammad Rasheed - It's easy if you have such proof, and difficult if you do not.
Muhammad Rasheed - I have no strawmen, Rahlistic, I only have what you've given me to argue against: Not a damn thing.
Only you can disprove this. Where are the facts that you claimed to have? Hm? Where are they? Why are your proofs so conspicuously absent?
A strawman is asking me as to whether I'm in the NOI or not, pretending it would color the quality of your sources. Meanwhile, you HAVE NO SOURCES.
Muhammad Rasheed - Do you recognize what having zero sources mean? It means you operate out of blind faith in nonsense, and have nothing to stand upon. It means the 'real world" you uphold eludes you and your foolish contentions.
Muhammad Rasheed - Now go ahead and waste yet more posts by NOT posting your proofs, hammering home my point even further.
Muhammad Rasheed - Do it.
Rahlistic Visions - dude I already posted proof. The more proof I post the more you will say I didn't post proof. I don't think proof is going to resolve YOUR issue. I've seen and read the proof and so my issue is resolved.
InVision Comics - WOW. I actually read this entire ... I don't know what to call it. LOL.
Rahlistic Visions - In fact since you are so hell bent on this air thing I will even show you an example of how studying nature will give you more truth then a religious book. Simple mathematics.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “dude I already posted proof. The more proof I post the more you will say I didn't post proof.”
You posted proof that the 12 apostles were named after the 12 months? It doesn’t count if you only post it in a PM to your mom.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “I don't think proof is going to resolve YOUR issue. I've seen and read the proof and so my issue is resolved.”
Try me.
Muhammad Rasheed - InVision Comics wrote: “WOW. I actually read this entire ... I don't know what to call it. LOL.”
I call it: “Muhammad Being Really Mean to Little Kids for Nothing, While Rahilistic Talks out of His Ass: The Musical.” (it’s still a working title in progress)
InVision Comics - Yeeeoooowwwch! LOL!
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “In fact since you are so hell bent on this air thing I will even show you an example of how studying nature will give you more truth then a religious book. Simple mathematics.”
Mathematics actually proved religion as a truth while smearing egg on the atheists' faces. Ask me how.
Muhammad Rasheed - (how am I the one "hell bent on this air thing" when you said it was your thing?)
Muhammad Rasheed - dafuq...?
James A. Wheeling - The western culture is better at marketing and branding
Rahlistic Visions - Show me.
Muhammad Rasheed - Atheist-scientists just assumed that everything the religions said was a lie, or at best mythology. So when scripture said that the universe began at a point in the distant past, the atheists dismissed it and theorized that the universe never had a begining -- that it always existed and always will. Even Einstein expected that theory to be true, but his own high-mathematics failed to support the 'continuous universe' theory, and he was actually disturbed by it. Other scientist peers expanded upon his math and, more and more, the theory did not hold up under what you called "natural studies." A whole new theory called Big Bang was formed around what the math was revealing... that the universe did indeed have a beginning:
"At the end of the early universe's inflationary period, all the matter and energy in the universe was set on an inertial trajectory consistent with the equivalence principle and Einstein's general theory of relativity and this is when the precise and regular form of the universe's expansion had its origin (that is, matter in the universe is separating because it was separating in the past due to the inflaton field)."
Finally, the straw that broke the camel's back was the discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation, which proved it once and for all. Religion had been right all along; the universe DID have a beginning. In fact, one of the co-discoverers of the cosmic microwave background radiation, Arno Penzias once said, “The best data we have concerning the Big Bang, are exactly what I would have predicted if I had nothing to go on but the five books of Moses, the Psalms, and the bible as a whole.”
Rahlistic Visions - But scientist are also theorized that the big bang came from the collapsing of a parallel universe or from a reaction for an alternate universe. Btw what you does not prove the bible right and remember in Islam has no beginning or ending.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "But scientist are also theorized that the big bang came from the collapsing of a parallel universe or from a reaction for an alternate universe."
You're talking about "Landscape" theory and the various versions of string theory. The math doesn't support them, and that crew is frustrated about it. Even other atheist scientists are mad because they feel theoretical physics has been usurped by those folks wasting time on those weak theories instead of trying to figure out the missing component of the Standard Model.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Btw what you does not prove the bible right..."
If it was right about the most fundamentally imprtant part of our existence, how do you know it's not right about everything else? That's the bible: 1 and atheists: 0
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "...and remember in Islam has no beginning or ending."
Allah said it is He who created the Heavens and the Earth; that when He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is. The God of the bible, and the God of the Qur'an are One. If you were really a former Muslim, I would not need to tell you this.
Rahlistic Visions -

Rahlistic Visions - Sitting above my computer as we speak. Don't try to act like I never believed in the big bang. But anyway. The bible says that the world was created in 6 days but that is not what those so called scientist are saying. 13.8 billion light years. Don't try to use that weak ass theory about the 6 days being more then 6 days crap either. Remember your god is not a god of confusion and he would make it clear what he meant.

Rahlistic Visions - Things in nature work in cycles. Their is no beginning or ending it is a constant process of building and destroying. That is how life works. That is the definition of life itself. That is the basic law of life that keeps it moving. 8 for infinity build and destroy.
Rahlistic Visions - oh I forgot the real score card..... Re-Lie-On-Jinn:0 The truth: Always wins no need for a score.
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.amazon.com/Book-Beginnings...
Rahlistic Visions - The Natural Genesis
Rahlistic Visions - https://my.accessmobilewebsite.com/........
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.truthseekertimes.ca/.../Th......
Rahlistic Visions - Vol 1and 2 right there. But I know your not going to read them. lol. But for those who are not stuck on stupid there goes some info for you.
Rahlistic Visions - more coming stay tuned.
Rahlistic Visions - http://ebookbrowseee.com/natural-gene......
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.onlytheword.org/.../01-Gen...
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.golden-dawn.com/.../Massey......
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rc......
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/Gerald_M...
Rahlistic Visions - BTW Massey was a scholar too. lol whatever importance a title holds. lol
Rahlistic Visions - I'm a scholar I'm a scholar!!! lol so I guess that makes you right because you are a "SCHOLAR" lol
Rahlistic Visions - "The author and scholar Gerald Massey, once a Christian Priest, who began investigating the questions that Christianity's origins posed for him found the trail leading to the civilization of Kemet / Egypt. As a consequence Massey became a student and investigator of Ancient Kemet / Egypt, subsequently revealed his findings in four major publications"
Rahlistic Visions - I'm not done yet.....I'm not done!!!
Clifton Hatchett - @Rahlistic...you on it huh...lol
Rahlistic Visions - LOL yeah I have experience in debating with negros online but I'm not really debating just fleshing out the truth. I just want one of them to prove me wrong...hasn't happened yet though.
Clifton Hatchett - lollollol...carry on.
Rahlistic Visions - Funny thing is I already know how this will play out and I will be wasting my time. But at least the onlookers will get something out of this. He thinks I don't know anything about the "Dead Sea Scrolls" or the "Big Bang Theory" lol. I live this eat sleep shit this.
Rahlistic Visions - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “I did a study some years back on the Rosetta Stone and that led to me studying the origins of language which in turn I discovered some of the sources of religions which date back to the ancient Babylons and even further back civilizations.” All of that is a complete lie.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/sci......
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Every-......
Clifton Hatchett - I can't wait for this battle to be joined...lol
Rahlistic Visions - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing_...
Rahlistic Visions - I'll be back got real shit to do. This is just a hobby. LOL
Rahlistic Visions -

Rahlistic Visions - Now next time you respond to this please make sure you get your PMS under control.

Rahlistic Visions - I recommend some of these. Think you can get them at Walmart. Not sure but that should help you control your homotions.

Rahlistic Visions - This might help you too....not sure what kind of muslim you are but here....
http://v1.noi.org/study/docs/SG18_pt2...
Rahlistic Visions -

Clifton Hatchett -

Rahlistic Visions - http://youtu.be/O_HyZ5aW76c
This nigga right here tho....

Rahlistic Visions - http://youtu.be/O_HyZ5aW76c
Clifton Hatchett - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "not sure what kind of muslim you are..."
I'm an orthodox Muslim. I believe the Qur'an is the Word of God that closes the canon of revealed scripture on earth. I believe the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the final prophet-messenger through whom the message of God was delivered to mankind.
I hope that helps.
Muhammad Rasheed - When I go through those links one-by-one over the next hour or so, countering your comments along the way with my rebuttals, if I find any mention of you trying to prove that Jesus really wasn't a divine son of God, or anything similar to that, I will ignore it (or most likely clown you depending on how I feel in the moment) since that concept is a blasphemy within my belief system.
I'm just saying. Naturally since you said you used to be a Muslim I don't expect to find any links to that stuff since you would of course know better... you claiming to be a former Muslim and all. A casual glance revealed the name "Massey" and I hope that you aren't trying to convince a Muslim that what the paulinian Christians believe isn't true because that would be stupid as hell. And you're better than that, right? :)
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic this IS a debate, this IS a battle. This is a battle of philosophy, logic, and wit...
...and I'm about to destroy you.
Muhammad Rasheed - Engarde'.
InVision Comics - Wait a minute! Where's my popcorn . . .
InVision Comics - Oh there it is! OK, continue please.
Muhammad Rasheed -

InVision Comics - And . . . action!
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions quoted Frantz Fanon: "'Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong.”
Yes, like Rahlistic believes that the Abrahamic Religions are wrong. That is his strong belief.
Rahlistic Visions quoted Frantz Fanon: "'When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief…”
Like when I pointed out that The Big Bang Theory supports the claims of Organized Religion and all proven facts support that conclusion as well, while nothing supports the conclusions taken from an atheistic stand point about the origins of the universe.
Rahlistic Visions quoted Frantz Fanon: "'…the new evidence cannot be accepted.”
Twice now Rahlistic has said that those facts don’t prove religion to be correct despite the clear facts.
Rahlistic Visions quoted Frantz Fanon: "'It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance.”
That explains his sudden passion for dumping mostly irrelevant links into this thread over the last few hours. Desperate to somehow salvage his pathetically ignorant world view.
Rahlistic Visions quoted Frantz Fanon: "'And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.'”
That’s exactly what Rahlistic did, of course. Even though Genesis (and the Qur’an) clearly says that the One God created the universe at a point in the distant past, and Big Bang Theory confirms this concept that scientists as celebrated as Albert Einstein considered counter-intuitive, Rahlistic is still confusion that this fundamental concept supports religion. So he’s flipping around like a fish, desperately trying to find something… ANYTHING!... to salvage his beliefs. Let us now address them.
Muhammad Rasheed - Hold on... let me settle in and get a little more comfortable.

Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic, before you post one of these memes, I suggest you actually read it to make sure you aren't about to play yourself.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “Sitting above my computer as we speak.”
What does that mean?
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “Don't try to act like I never believed in the big bang.”
Do you recognize Big Bang Theory as being supported by the facts? Do you recognize that it supports the claims of religion of a created universe and disproves the “continuous universe” theory? Don’t you try to act like I can possibly know what’s going on in your nutty head. I don’t know you, chief. Your intellect is highly questionable so far.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “But anyway. The bible says that the world was created in 6 days but that is not what those so called scientist are saying. 13.8 billion light years. Don't try to use that weak ass theory about the 6 days being more then 6 days crap either. Remember your god is not a god of confusion and he would make it clear what he meant.”
Didn’t you make the claim a few times that you studied languages? Wasn’t that you? So because you turn out to be ignorant as to what old Hebrew and Arabic words mean… that the people of the time had ZERO confusion about… it means the mattter is somehow closed since you don’t want to talk about it? lol
The ignorant never get to dictate the terms of the debate. Who told you that they did? Listen up:
The Quran states that "Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days" (7:54). While on the surface this might seem similar to the account related in the Bible, there are some important distinctions. The verses that mention "six days" use the Arabic word "youm" (day). This word appears several other times in the Quran, each denoting a different measurement of time. In one case, the measure of a day is equated with 50,000 years (70:4), whereas another verse states that "a day in the sight of your Lord is like 1,000 years of your reckoning" (22:47). The word "youm" is thus understood, within the Qur'an, to be a long period of time -- an era or eon. Therefore, Muslims interpret the description of a "six day" creation as six distinct periods or eons. The length of these periods is not precisely defined, nor are the specific developments that took place during each period.
It should be obvious to any rational thinking being (naturally that would exclude you) that the original Hebrew revelation to the original messengers used the equivelant to the word “youm.” More modern translators used the definite 24 hr “day” out of ignorance thus corrupting the text.
Do you see the value in studying language for REAL instead of just pretending to like you do, Rahlistic? You may consider yourself schooled.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “Things in nature work in cycles. Their is no beginning or ending it is a constant process of building and destroying. That is how life works. That is the definition of life itself. That is the basic law of life that keeps it moving. 8 for infinity build and destroy.”
What is this you’re babbling on about? Is this your way of saying that Big Bang and the “natural studies” of math are somehow wrong because somewhere you saw the word cycle” in a Facebook meme? Human civilizations rise and fall all the time in an ages old cycle since the unknown first civilization during what the Ancient Egyptians called Zep Tepi. But notice that even we had a beginning.
Your rant doesn’t mean anything here, Rahlistic. The Big Bang Theory is still the dominate model of the universe’s origins, the facts discovered by award-winning scientists still support it, it still demonstrates a universe with a definite beginning, and that fact still correlates with what religion said from the beginning of the human race.
Clifton Hatchett - This is what I was waiting for!!!
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “oh I forgot the real score card..... Re-Lie-On-Jinn:0 The truth: Always wins no need for a score.”
Are you supposed to be spelling “rely on djinn” using ebonics? I don’t get it. Or does it represent that ‘sacred spelling’ bullshit of the five percenter foolishness? I “re-lie” on the djinn for what purpose exactly? Is that what the five percenters told you?
So you’re saying that your “cycles” rant, and those two memes were supposed to represent the truth that proves that Big Bang was wrong? I really have no idea what you are supposed to be saying. Are you talking to me or the air again? Speak human talk when you talk to me, please. Thanks.
Clifton Hatchett - That's insulting.
Muhammad Rasheed - The jab at the five percenters?
Muhammad Rasheed - They'll be okay. lol
Clifton Hatchett - May I ask what you have against the N.O.I., and the 5%Nation...
Muhammad Rasheed - Let me finish dealing with your boy first.
Clifton Hatchett - That's derogatory.
Muhammad Rasheed - I meant "let me finish addressing his posts." I'm not gay. geez....
Relax.
Clifton Hatchett - I don't know how you leaped to that statement...
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahaha
Muhammad Rasheed - Instead of posting just two words, you should take the time to express what you are thinking better so you are clear, then i wouldn't have to leap.
Clifton Hatchett - For the Record I don't make homosexual type statements ever. I don't eat pork ever. I don't like Police ever. These rules are never changing when we interact.
Muhammad Rasheed - You should put that on a sticky note.
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions posted: “A Book of the Beginnings, Vol.1 (Cosimo Classics: Metaphysics)”
My mom introduced me to the work of Gerald Massey when I was 13 years old. I already recognize Ancient Egypt as being the source of modern civilization. Posting those kinds of links is preaching to the choir here. Since the late ‘90s I’ve been digging into the origins of Ancient Egyptian civilization, knowledge and technology. During the course of that journey I’ve found the antideluvian black Africans who became the Ancient Egyptians of the golden age… the people who were possibly the first to domesticate the herbivore, to map the stars and discover Precession, and to master the technique of carving and moving megalithic stones. All of this is fascinating to me (and has made its way into my comics work), and I love to discuss it with like minds. You randomly posting a link without saying how it fits into your argument isn’t a discussion, Rahlistic.
In addition to Massey’s work, I’m also studied on St. Paul’s writings and his battles with James, and the latter’s disapproval of Paul’s using old pagan symbols and doctrines in his version of Jesus’ message that eventually (blasphemously!) came to represent the faith itself, which is the part that Massey runs with in his comparisons, unfortunately wrongly beginning at the erroneous assumption that Paul's version WAS the faith.
At this point of the thread, you seem to just be randomly posting links – without ever explaining what point of yours they are supposed to support, or what point of mine they are supposed to negate – and like this Massey post of yours, looks like you are desperately thrashing around to find something to zing me on. I actually suspect that YOU don’t even know what your point is supposed to be now.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “BTW Massey was a scholar too. lol whatever importance a title holds. lol I'm a scholar I'm a scholar!!! lol so I guess that makes you right because you are a ‘SCHOLAR’ lol”
I’m right because you lack anything, or even any kind of coherent argument, explaining what I’m wrong in exactly. Do you somehow believe Massey has disproved the truth of the Abrahamic Religions? The strength of Massey’s great body of work in that area is that it smashes the Pauline Doctrine version of Christianity, confirming what the Qur’an said about the message of Jesus all along.
Since you only posted random links, and made goofy comments, I have no idea what you posting them have to do with the context of whatever we were discussing. A scholar fleshes out his argument/thesis and then posts the links and quotes from other scholars to support his claims. How does randomly posting a link prove anything you’ve said? I’ve given you ample opportunity here to finally make an actual point, and finally post proof of that point. Are you ever going to start doing that?
Right now it looks like you just post Facebook memes, post random links, and hi-five other like-minded goofballs over in Virginia. Doing that doesn’t make you smart, nor does it make you LOOK smart.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions quoted: “The author and scholar Gerald Massey, once a Christian Priest, who began investigating the questions that Christianity's origins posed for him found the trail leading to the civilization of Kemet / Egypt. As a consequence Massey became a student and investigator of Ancient Kemet/Egypt, subsequently revealed his findings in four major publications”
And thank God for him, but Massey’s work was incomplete and showed only a part of the whole.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "I'm not done yet.....I'm not done!!!"
It seems like you were done 400 posts ago. lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “LOL yeah I have experience in debating with negros online…”
You don’t know how to debate.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “…but I'm not really debating just fleshing out the truth."
If randomly posting links is supposed to be what a debate looks like to you, then I predict that when people who have actually debated before tell you that you are doing it wrong, it caused you genuine confusion. To protect your pathetic ego you started hiding behind phrases like “I’m not really debating” or “this isn’t a debate.”
What ‘truth’ did you flesh out, and where did you flesh it out exactly? Was posting the links to Massey’s works supposed to be you fleshing out the truth? If so, then what exactly did Massey say to support what exact post/comment that you made?
Rahlistic Visions wrote: “I just want one of them to prove me wrong...hasn't happened yet though.”
Well, if you will recall, you said that you don't get knowledge from books, you get it from the “air” and from “life.” After I clowned you on it, you now started posting links to books from Amazon, and then – oddly – proclaiming you won something without explaining what those links were supposed to support. So far I’ve proved you wrong in literally everything you've typed.

The Book, The Virgin, & The Fury (pt. 2)

Rahlistic Visions - Hmmmm....it's just a picture telling what I was talking about and it's not a facebook meme.
Muhammad Rasheed - (do they let retarded people on Facebook now..? oh, wait. clifton. of course)
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Tell me how it's supposed to prove anything, Rahlistic.
Rahlistic Visions - this argument is becoming juvenile. All I got from you is a bunch of insults and no facts.
Rahlistic Visions-  waste of time my friend. keep dreaming.
Muhammad Rasheed - Try me. Facts regarding what?
Rahlistic Visions - That Jesus exist.
Muhammad Rasheed - So it's a waste of time to explain how your Facebook meme is supposed to be proving your point, huh?
Rahlistic Visions - no time for the childish remarks for real.
Muhammad Rasheed - Here:
 http://www.amazon.com/James.../dp/B00......
Rahlistic Visions - everytime I get into it with one of you religion heads you all do the same dumb shit. And I end up wasting time.
Muhammad Rasheed - This is from the scholar responsible for making the Dead Sea Scrolls available to the public.
Muhammad Rasheed - Dude, you ARE a waste of time.
Muhammad Rasheed - Dr. Eisenman is THE scholar on Middle Eastern religions, is fluent in Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic, and a tenured professor.
Rahlistic Visions - I doubt that
Muhammad Rasheed - Let's see... what have you revealed? You get your knowledge from the air, and Facebook memes, and you can't answer basic questions, oh, and you doubt actual scholars and actual knowledge.
Muhammad Rasheed - An impressive resume.
Muhammad Rasheed - For a what, I don't know.
Muhammad Rasheed - Retard, I guess...
Rahlistic Visions - wrong that is not what I said....that is what "YOU' said.
Muhammad Rasheed - You realize that when you type stuff people can actually read it, right?
Rahlistic Visions - you basically made up your version of what I said for yourself to make yourself feel better about how wrong you were.
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Okay.
Rahlistic Visions - but if that is what you need to feel better it's cool cause it's not my life.
Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, I'm wrong and I feel really bad about it, too.
Muhammad Rasheed - If only I would've seen the light of your retarded point sooner...
Rahlistic Visions - so you believe everything you read huh? lol
Muhammad Rasheed - So you believe everythng the air conjures, huh?
Rahlistic Visions - Instead of researching it for yourself you would rather listen to what someone else had to say about it cause they are better then you right? So their research on what the truth is is better then your own I'm guessing?
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic, in a scholarly work, bibliographies are listed to enable you to research the work for yourself. That's how that works.
Rahlistic Visions - So you rely on someone else opinion on what the truth is rather then check up on them yourself? did you actually read the "dead sea scrolls?
Muhammad Rasheed - This enables you to determine what aspects to travel down in your own work.
Rahlistic Visions - Did you study the language that the sea scrolls were written in? Did you find them yourself?
Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, I have the copies in my own library. It backs up my own independant study into the relationship of the early Chrsitians with Al-Islam.
Rahlistic Visions - how do you even know they are real?
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - How do you know what the air tells you is real?
Muhammad Rasheed - Is this a question?
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahha
Rahlistic Visions - Yeah I know what a bibliography is. But did you do the scholars work or did you just trust the scholar.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Yeah I know what a bibliography is."
Yeah, right. You should've looked up "prayer" while you were over there, too.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "But did you do the scholars work or did you just trust the scholar."
I am a scholar. And I have my own bibligraphy rof esearch works I use, of which Dr. Eisenman's works are a part, for my own books & articles.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Did you study the language that the sea scrolls were written in?"
I thought you said you used to be a Muslim? A very interesting and telling question.
Muhammad Rasheed - smh
Rahlistic Visions - because the air doesn't speak smart guy you learn about life from studying the air and everything around it. Basically everything and what you find that takes place will give you a lot of what goes on in life. If you want to know the truth study the truth. We know that the air exist because it is right there but we don't know that jesus exist cause all we have is a bunch of story told by people who wrote books.
Muhammad Rasheed - So did you put this Facebook meme together yourself? It's adorable, really.

Rahlistic Visions - study the makeup of the air, water, biology, etc....everything and you will have the truth.
Muhammad Rasheed - What did you base it upon?
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "study the makeup of the air, water, biology, etc....everything and you will have the truth."
Didn't I tell you to please stop trying to kick your ridicuous air knowledge at me? Quit it.
Rahlistic Visions - nope It's not a meme. It's a picture that somebody did that illustrates what I'm talking about.
Muhammad Rasheed - You wouldn't know "truth" if it popped you upside the back of your head.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "nope It's not a meme. It's a picture that somebody did..."
Naturally at this point I assume it was a member of the Air Nation...
Muhammad Rasheed -

Muhammad Rasheed - Okay, I'll bite.
Who is the "somebody?"
Rahlistic Visions - Well then since I'm not allowed the freedom (FREE the DUMB) to talk about the truth then there is no point to continue talking. Have a good die sir. Carry on. Keep up the bad work.
Muhammad Rasheed - You saw where this was going and ran like a bitch, hm?
Muhammad Rasheed - I am not surprised.
Muhammad Rasheed - B'bye.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Well then since I'm not allowed the freedom to talk about the truth..."
I'm thrilled at this new found power to restrict the freedom of dumbasses that I didn't know I possessed...
Muhammad Rasheed - Did I reach right into Facebook to keep him from doing stuff like typing? Maybe Professor X can help me master it...
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton you better not say another word about "agree to disagree."
Rahlistic Visions - did I. You did say I was not allowed to use the air to talk so then why continue. What if I said you could not use words to argue would you keep going. No point in that. Disregarding my whole argument is running like a bitch or shall I say.....Censoring like a bitch. So you are like Fox news you like to censor the truth if it's not going your way and if we are not using the same paradigms that enslaved your mind in the first place. Oh and BTW.....this is not a battle we are have an intelligent discussion to see what the truth is and to get "REAL' proof that Jesus is real. This is not a dick waving contest. See in my belief I don't have to prove how "bad" I am to prove the truth. This is not 2nd grade. I am mature you know.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "did I. You did say I was not allowed to use the air to talk so then why continue."
You say a lot of crazy nonsense, did it ever stop ME from typing? I notice you listen to me selectively...
Rahlistic Visions - huh?
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Oh and BTW.....this is not a battle we are have an intelligent discussion to see what the truth is..."
Hm. What kind of battle would it be? What do you have that would actually make it a battle? A curious statement.
How do you plan to have an intelligent discussion to find out what the truth is if you never plan to ever answer a question, and to duck, slide, dance, shuffle, all night?
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "huh?"
Don't worry your pretty li'l head about it. I was just thinking out loud.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic... what is prayer? What is its function? What does scripture say about prayer based on the "fact" that you used to be a Christian and a Muslim?
Muhammad Rasheed - Tell me.
Rahlistic Visions - nevermind. I'm done. You figure it out. but guess what. I will read the book you presented and I will be analyzing it to compare notes and facts and then I will give my my take on it....so I won't be "Running like a bitch." cause that's how civilized people do things instead of insulting people because they don't agree.
Rahlistic Visions - Prayer is talking to "God."
Rahlistic Visions - or the God you believe in.
Clifton Hatchett - lollollol....that was refreshing.
Rahlistic Visions - or calling out to the universe.
Rahlistic Visions - I do that by taking action.
Rahlistic Visions - It is also preparing yourself mentally for what you have to do. It's meditation.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "nevermind. I'm done."
You were done before you showed up.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "You figure it out."
Did you think you were my teacher?
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "...but guess what. I will read the book you presented..."
No you won't. It is above your head.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "...and I will be analyzing it to compare notes and facts and then I will give my my take on it..."awww. You're adorable.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "so I won't be "Running like a bitch."
lol Is that why you came back (just to say "nevermind. I'm done.") because you're dancing around like a puppet and letting me drive your bus? These are not the droids you're looking for. ;)
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "cause that's how civilized people do things instead of insulting people because they don't agree."
Word? I thought they prayed to the air... or nah?
Rahlistic Visions - sorry if I'm typing slow but my laptops' d pad is sensitive and keeps moving the cursor on me.
Clifton Hatchett - I thought you agreed to disagree with one another...lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "It is also preparing yourself mentally for what you have to do. It's meditation"
Jesus it's about TIME you figured out you were on the Internet and could actually just look it up like you did "bibliography.” Damn. lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "I thought you agreed to disagree with one another...lol"
Do you even remember his first post? What made you think I didn't "agree to disagree" then? I like to potshot dumbasses. You of all people should recognize that by now.
Rahlistic Visions - ok young Paddawan you have much to learn. That's all I can say.
Muhammad Rasheed - JESUS! Shut UP!!
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahaha
Muhammad Rasheed - You haven't said shit yet!
Rahlistic Visions - sure
Muhammad Rasheed - Doesn't stop you from typing though, even after you said "i'm done" like 8 times.
Rahlistic Visions - have a good one. Thanks for the book tho. lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "sure"
So who's the "somebody" that created the Facebook meme?
Rahlistic Visions - yup...i
Muhammad Rasheed - "yup...i?"
Muhammad Rasheed - swahilli?
Clifton Hatchett - @Muhammad… you came unglued. Peculiar.
Rahlistic Visions - yup I'm done with you on this. We are going no where. All you did was give me a book....no quote from the book at all or anything. sooooo
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "sure"
So who's the "somebody" that created the Facebook meme?
Muhammad Rasheed - You know what you look like everytime you shuffle & dance around a question while pretending to kick knowledge, right?
Muhammad Rasheed - Ask me what.
Clifton Hatchett - Stop saying ''kick knowledge,'' it's not the 80's anymore...lol
Muhammad Rasheed - I'll say what I want! How dare you!
Muhammad Rasheed - Prayer is designed to keep your goals in the forefront of your mind, and keep God first while you work towards your goals yourself.
Rahlistic Visions - hmmmm I'm done because I have a life and don't want to waste it trying to discuss something with someone that still has a child mind and kindergarten antics.
Muhammad Rasheed - Before you leave (again)
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "sure"
So who's the "somebody" that created the Facebook meme?
Muhammad Rasheed - Hm? Tell me.
Rahlistic Visions - If your mind is set on being a clown instead of on "Proving" the truth then I'm not going to waste my time.
Rahlistic Visions - What facebook meme?
Muhammad Rasheed - Let the record show that i did not have a problem at all posting sources when asked, yet THIS special fool is the master of the dancing shuffle and question duck.
Rahlistic Visions - dude just keep it real.
Muhammad Rasheed - You don't have any knowledge, Rahlistic. You are an idiot, are beneath me, and an insult to my race.Take a fucking bow for your foolishness.
Muhammad Rasheed - Jackass.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "Muhammad you came unglued. Peculiar."
I'm from Detroit, Clif. Jackasses just like this one come a dime-a-dozen in the motor city, and few things piss me off more than their pseudo-knowledge bullshit.
Muhammad Rasheed - I reckon they use that bullshit rhetoric to pick up stupid broads.
Rahlistic Visions - Because you didn't ask me a real question. Your asking me a question that can't be answered because I don't know which facebook meme your talking about. The one with Bruce Leroy eating popcorn? Even that is not a meme. I'm the first to use that. However if you are talking about the PICTURE that I got off google images then I can't tell you who did it. It doesn't matter who did it...it's the knowledge that's in it that matters.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "See in my belief I don't have to prove how 'bad' I am to prove the truth. This is not 2nd grade. I am mature you know"
I know you don't know shit, like to pretend to know shit, and have the nerve to think you can speak on World Religion while not knowing any fucking thing about it. At all.
Muhammad Rasheed - I know THAT about your simple ass.
Rahlistic Visions - How do you know ? Do you know me? LOL
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Because you didn't ask me a real question. Your asking me a question that can't be answered because I don't know which facebook meme your talking about."
The jesus pic. Who's the "somebody" that put it togther?
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "The one with Bruce Leroy eating popcorn?"
Right. Because that was relevant to ANY FUCKING THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "However if you are talking about the PICTURE that I got off google images then I can't tell you who did it."
Wow. A glimmer of integrity for fucking once. Amazing.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "It doesn't matter who did it...it's the knowledge that's in it that matters."
Where does the knowledge come from, Rahlistic. Stop fucking bullshitting.
Rahlistic Visions - Claimng to know what someone knows that you don't know is being a simple ass. Insulting people for now reason is being a simple ass. Are you just going to insult or are we going to prove Jesus is real. which one is it. Don't have all day got shit to draw.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: 'How do you know ? Do you know me? LOL"
I know a sneaky, question-ducking fucker when I see one.
Rahlistic Visions - Why cause you are one.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Insulting people for now reason..."
I'm insulting you for "now" reason because you are of the unrepentant hellbound who dared come in here to insult my most cherished beliefs and somehow thought i wasn't going to come back at you for it.
Rahlistic Visions - such language for a Christian. lol
Rahlistic Visions - or muslim...or whatever you are.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Why cause you are one."
Oh, is THAT why you have Dr. Eisenman's book because I ducked your question, you piece of shit?
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "such language..."
Show me in scripture where typing a cuss word (in a language that hadn't been invented yet mind) is a sin or whatever and I will take you seriously and never cuss again.
Do it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Do it.
Rahlistic Visions - Did he just say hellhound?

Rahlistic Visions - BTW I'm not a hell hound I'm a Unicorn and If you don't stop I will get Santa Clause and his elves on you.
Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) I ask Rahlistic a point blank, easy question2.) He responds with nonsense3.) I call him out on it4.) He says he doesn't have to take this shit and threatens to leave5.) I make fun of him6.) He comes back looking stupid7.) I ask Rahlistic a point blank question8.) He responds with nonsense
*repeat*
Rahlistic Visions - I roll with Leprechauns son.
Muhammad Rasheed - I thought we already established that you roll with the air?
Muhammad Rasheed - And "life."
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Rahlistic Visions - LOL at the fake commentary.
Muhammad Rasheed - "Mork?! Is that YOU???"
Rahlistic Visions - That's your kind of world...sorry I don't really do mythological creatures like angels and demons. You can keep that world. I'll stay in the real one where things are real and you can actually see and feel them and have proof that the exist.
Muhammad Rasheed - So where did the "knowledge" from this Facebook meme come from again?
Muhammad Rasheed - Tell me.
Rahlistic Visions - form numerous sources over the years.
Muhammad Rasheed - Name.
Muhammad Rasheed - One.
Muhammad Rasheed - Preferably the one that actually mentions what's in the meme.
Rahlistic Visions - books on language.
Muhammad Rasheed - smh
Rahlistic Visions -

Rahlistic Visions - the book of the dead
Rahlistic Visions - the 42 laws of Ma'at.
Muhammad Rasheed - What does the destruction of black civilization have to do with lining the 12 apostles up with the months of the year? How does it fit?
Rahlistic Visions - Hercules
Muhammad Rasheed - All four of these align the apostles with the 12 months?
Muhammad Rasheed - "Hercules" what?
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/......
Rahlistic Visions - http://www.pocm.info/borrowing_fIRST.htm
Rahlistic Visions - I'll keep going.
Muhammad Rasheed - Which one lines up the apostles with the 12 months? You may keep going if it will somehow answer the question.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions posted: http://www.bibliotecapleyades-net/...... ... Akyeame Kwame wrote: "although i appreciate the spirit of your wanting to inform me, i have to stop telling folk i don't know about xtianity...whenever i do people invariably smear some of it on me."
Not sure how useful you actually intended that link considering the owner of the site doesn't link the apostles to the 12 months at all.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions posted: "http://www.pocm-info/b"orrowing_..."
This one doesn't mention the 12 apostles at all either. Again I fail to see the point of posting the link. Did you even understand the question?
Rahlistic Visions -

Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "the 42 laws of Ma'at."
1.I have not committed sin. 2.I have not committed robbery with violence.3.I have not stolen.4.I have not slain men and women.5.I have not stolen grain.6.I have not purloined offerings.7.I have not stolen the property of the gods.8.I have not uttered lies.9.I have not carried away food.10.I have not uttered curses.11.I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.12.I have made none to weep.13.I have not eaten the heart [i.e., I have not grieved uselessly, or felt remorse].14.I have not attacked any man.15.I am not a man of deceit.16.I have not stolen cultivated land.17.I have not been an eavesdropper.18.I have slandered [no man].19.I have not been angry without just cause.20.I have not debauched the wife of any man.21.I have not debauched the wife of [any] man. (repeats the previous affirmation but addressed to a different god).22.I have not polluted myself.23.I have terrorized none.24.I have not transgressed [the Law].25.I have not been wroth.26.I have not shut my ears to the words of truth.27.I have not blasphemed.28.I am not a man of violence.29.I am not a stirrer up of strife (or a disturber of the peace).30.I have not acted (or judged) with undue haste.31.I have not pried into matters.32.I have not multiplied my words in speaking.33.I have wronged none, I have done no evil.34.I have not worked witchcraft against the King (or blasphemed against the King).35.I have never stopped [the flow of] water.36.I have never raised my voice (spoken arrogantly, or in anger).37.I have not cursed (or blasphemed) God.38.I have not acted with evil rage.39.I have not stolen the bread of the gods.40.I have not carried away the khenfu cakes from the spirits of the dead.41.I have not snatched away the bread of the child, nor treated with contempt the god of my city.42.I have not slain the cattle belonging to the god.
Muhammad Rasheed - That was oddly devoid of any mentions of "apostles" or "months."
Muhammad Rasheed - Another meme? What does THIS have to do with the 12 apostles, Rahlistic?

Muhammad Rasheed - You know in the movies when someone is being chased on foot, and they try to lose the chaser by randomly throwing chairs behind them, and pulling down shelves and shit?

That's you.

Rahlistic Visions - http://www.astrosense.net/christmas-a...

Muhammad Rasheed - This one doesn't mention the 12 apostles either, Rahlistic.
Clifton Hatchett - I think the intention is not to link the apostles with the months of the year, but the constellations and the progression of the Sun through the constellations. There seems to be some form of miscommunication among you two, or a misunderstanding of the point attempting to be made.
Muhammad Rasheed -

Rahlistic Visions - nah I mean what am I running from? lol. Nah I'm the dude in the movies where the other dude that gets mad when he doesn't have facts to prove his point gets mad and throws chairs and I' just kick back calmly and let the facts do all the blocking for me while I'm sipping on tea.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "because the apostles were named after the moon cycles."
Rahlistic Visions - yup
Muhammad Rasheed - Show some integrity and admit you have nothing to back this claim up except for that facebook meme and we can move on.
Muhammad Rasheed - Easy.
Muhammad Rasheed - lol @ "yup"
Muhammad Rasheed - You realize if you lack proof then it officially qualifies as "blind faith," yes?
Muhammad Rasheed - I'm trying to be nice for once and NOT call you a dumbass again, but you're making it very difficult for me.
Rahlistic Visions - but if you want to play like that then I'm like Bugs Bunny and your like Yosemite Sam busting shots and slinging insults cause your mad...and I'm like...

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm mad because a dumb black man is pretending to "kick knowledge" by insulting religion, as if we didn't have enough problems. That's the only reason I'm mad.
And if you want to play the Bugs role you have to get your wit game up, NY.
Rahlistic Visions - LOL why is it so hard for you not to insult me? I mean you are confident with your stance right? I didn't call you any names....must be something making you mad......facts do that you know.
Rahlistic Visions - because that is the problem.

The Book, The Virgin, & The Fury (pt. 1)

Clifton Hatchett – [shared meme] Last one.
We don't talk about this because...

Clifton Hatchett - Omar did you know that the first historical documentation of ''Christians,'' was in 325 B.C...B.C.
Omar Clifton - No but it's not surprising. The messiah prophecy is thousands of years old.
Imo the shock for many would have been seeing the messiah in person and they not being what you expect
Clifton Hatchett - Interesting...I am familiar with at least sixteen solar saviors who were born of a virgin, and resurrected before the ''Jesus,'' mythos.
Omar Clifton - Krishna isn't one of them. He's born from a rock.
Also, there's those pesky hundred or so prophecies that needed to be fulfilled to be the actual guy.
Adam Jack - Thor as well, he was banished to hell but fought so valiantly against the evil hoards he was granted second life.
Omar Clifton - Thor isn't a real person though.
Adam Jack - I believe in and follow the teaching of the Nordic gods... Who are you to tell me my faith is unfounded
Omar Clifton - Do you have historical evidence? Jesus has Roman historians and thousands of eye witnesses.
Adam Jack -

Omar Clifton - Actually, my God promised punishment for the guy who convinced you to follow your God. Wicked people are just collateral damage
Clifton Hatchett - Only one Roman Historian, and the authenticity of the account has been refuted by historians, and appears to be an addition to as opposed to the actual writing of Josephus himself. The ''Testimonium Flavianum,'' is often offered up as authentic, but academics and scholars scoff at this notion. Furthermore as it pertains to the Biblical Reference the town of Nazareth did not exist during the 1st century AD, nor do the Romans list it in any of there censuses of the era. ''Historical Evidence,'' is not to be substituted with Religious ideology. I love these discussions.
Omar Clifton - Only a portion of Josephus' record is considered not to authentic and that's the portion that speaks of Jesus in a positive light.I speak of the portion where he seeks to discredit Yeshus and won't even use his name. "In this day may men claimed to be the messiah and worked miracles. One such man, the brother of James, was a rabble rouser"
However, notice that anything historians Deem unexplainable is quickly written off, like the Sumerian king list and the first 8 generations which have ridiculous life spans. Almost exactly 10x's the life span of the biblical account of those same people.
Adam Jack - To say any god is more valid or real than another is no different than listening into a group of kindergarten children arguing over who's daddy is the strongest. In their eyes he's the world and that's all that matter.
Clifton Hatchett -  Only a portion of Josephus' record is considered not to authentic and that's the portion that speaks of Jesus in a positive light.I speak of the portion where he seeks to discredit Yeshus and won't even use his name. "In this day may men claimed to be the messiah and worked miracles. One such man, the brother of James, was a rabble rouser"
However, notice that anything historians Deem unexplainable is quickly written off, like the Sumerian king list and the first 8 generations which have ridiculous life spans. Almost exactly 10x's the life span of the biblical account of those same people.
Clifton Hatchett - Deuteronomy 28:64-68
Omar Clifton - Studying is the only way to truly understand anything. Most don't notice that Yeshua himself wasn't big on religion. His only request was baptism and what amounts to having dinner in his honor.
I didn't mention the Nazareth thing because he wasn't a Nazarene because if geography but covenant. No cutting of hair, no contact with dead things and the like.
Clifton Hatchett - This could not be because there was no place called Nazareth when he lived Omar.
Omar Clifton - Actually archeologist James F. Strange says that it's more than likely not mentioned until 3rd century A.D. due to the lack of prominence as evidence show that before then it didn't have a larger population than 480 inhabitants. That basically amounts to a neighborhood in the larger city of Galilee.
As the Gospel writers all lived during the time of Jesus and wrote with in 60-90 years after his death. Thier mentioning of the place dates it as being around during this days
Clifton Hatchett - It didn't exist. There is much to be said for allegory and parable.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "We don't talk about this because..."
The Holy Qur'an 2:154"And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: 'They are dead.' Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not."If God says that the martyrs are alive on another plane, then all of His messengers are also alive. This would include both Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them).
Clifton Hatchett - Muhammad... lollollol.....most people will wonder how is it that a Muslim comes to speak of Jesus ace. Can't even find a handful of people who've ever read the Bible, when it comes to the Qur'an, I know even fewer whom have read it. It has been my experience that in most cases people don't understand, and in some cases, the mention evokes fear.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "Muhammad... lollollol.....most people will wonder how is it that a Muslim comes to speak of Jesus ace."
The Holy Qur'an 3:45-6245 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;46 "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."47 She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!48 "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,49 "And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;50 "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.51 "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"52 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.53 "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness."54 And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.56 "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."57 "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."58 "This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.60 The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.61 If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"62 This is the true account: There is no god except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
Muhammad Rasheed - The 2nd Pillar of belief in Islam is "Belief in all of the messengers of God."
I wouldn't be a Muslim if I didn't accept the Christ Jesus, son of Mary as a messenger of the One God, and recognize his message as true.
Muhammad Rasheed - Whoever created the meme above stuck "Mohammed's" name in it based on what they thought Islam was about, not from a place of any sure knowledge. It is purely doctrinal from a pauline Christian slant.
The meme's message is worthless outside of that slant. It certainly doesn't represent any kind of universal truth.
Clifton Hatchett - Thank you Muhammad. Insightful. Are Christians allowed to read the Qur'an... (rhetorical) I had someone tell me recently ''y'all are evil, how could you support cutting off someones head,'' to which I responded, ''at least you're sincere in your ignorance.'' Intolerance tends to be the unfortunate norm by GOD fearing Christians.
Rahlistic Visions - but where is the proof that he is alive?
Rahlistic Visions - better yet where is the proof that he even lived?
Clifton Hatchett - Rahlistic...you know you just shut the post down in all likelihood. People hate this contention.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: “better yet where is the proof that he even lived?"
The church's efforts to destroy all evidence of "Jesus the man" to uphold their 'divine son of God' doctrine stopped short of wiping out the historical record of his younger brother James the Just, son of Mary. James was the leader of the first church of Jerusalem, was Jesus' hand-picked heir, and during the time period, was actually more famous than his brother.
Muhammad Rasheed - We trace the real life Jesus Christ through the ample proof of his brother's existence in history.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "but where is the proof that he is alive?"
There is no physical, scientific proof of spiritual matters by definition. To ask for such reveals a narrow viewpoint.
Rahlistic Visions - To believe that something is alive with no proof reveals a narrow viewpoint.
Muhammad Rasheed - No. It reveals insight. The materialist mentality is narrow.
Rahlistic Visions -

Muhammad Rasheed - It is the materialist mentality... in its narrow appeal to limit knowledge to what the five senses can physically support... that is incapable of abstract thought. That is quite narrow.
Rahlistic Visions - ok then in that case I'm the son of god and I am the Christ since we don't need material proof.
Rahlistic Visions - Now praise me and give me some money so that I can save you.
Rahlistic Visions - LOL
Muhammad Rasheed - The lack of material proof doesn't mean the lack of a logical argument.
Muhammad Rasheed - Are you going to start presenting one?
Rahlistic Visions - but you don't even have any spiritual proof?
Rahlistic Visions - just your word
Muhammad Rasheed - Sure I do. The sacred scripture of the One God is my spiritual proof.
Muhammad Rasheed - What else?
Rahlistic Visions - I can't because he is not real so there is no proof
Muhammad Rasheed - He's not real based on what?
Rahlistic Visions - based on no proof either way.
Muhammad Rasheed - lol He said He's real in the revealed scripture He gave for that purpose.
Muhammad Rasheed - That is the spiritual proof you seek.
Muhammad Rasheed - You're welcome.
Rahlistic Visions - I found my lord and savior He looks back at me in the mirror and get me what ever I need.
Muhammad Rasheed - Word?
Muhammad Rasheed - Does he have a heaven or hell to place you in for your insolence?
Rahlistic Visions - I know it is my lord and savior because I always saved myself physically and mentally.
Rahlistic Visions - Jesus didn't do sqat.
Rahlistic Visions - squat
Muhammad Rasheed - What do you mean he didn't do squat?
Muhammad Rasheed - Again based on what?
Muhammad Rasheed - How can you say that when you are ignorant of what his job actually was?
Rahlistic Visions - My feet and my actions worked better then kneeling on my knees like a dog. I stood up like a man and handled my life.
Rahlistic Visions - That's proof enough.
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Clifton Hatchett - Muhammad...a view that is not the same as yours does not make it narrow, it just means it is not the view you share.
Rahlistic Visions - I don't need a heaven or hell? for what?
Muhammad Rasheed - Proof of what, Rahlistic? If you don't know what the purpose of prayer actually is, from what basis do you dismiss it?
Clifton Hatchett - Carry on.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton a view that is coming from a place of raw ignorance into the very concepts it claims to dismiss is not only narrow, it is fundamentally stupid.
Muhammad Rasheed - How would you sound if you dismissed mathematics because it didn't help you spell "cat" correctly?
Rahlistic Visions - The best prayer is when you pray by moving your feet and taking action. That gets more done then clapping your hands together.
Muhammad Rasheed - That's what this guy is doing...
Rahlistic Visions - and jumping up and down and feeling a "Ghost"
Clifton Hatchett - lmmfao....lol.....I'm crying.......You my friend are a piece of work Muhammad.....lmao
Rahlistic Visions - I wouldn't be dumb enough to try to "Spell" cat using math.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "The best prayer is when you pray by moving your feet and taking action."
By what metric are you comparing "the best prayer" to? What is the purpose of prayer?
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "I wouldn't be dumb enough to try to "Spell" cat using math."
You just did it.
Rahlistic Visions - I thought you were going to present a "logical" view point.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic you wouldn't know one if it bit you.
Muhammad Rasheed - Let's start with "Jesus didn't do squat."
Muhammad Rasheed - What was the job he was supposed to do?
Rahlistic Visions - because instead of praying for something or a change I make the change happen myself instead of waiting for a mystery god to do it for me.
Clifton Hatchett - Jesus never heard the name Jesus, but continue.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "because instead of praying for something or a change..."
Who TOLD YOU that was how prayer functioned? Where did you get that info?
Muhammad Rasheed - "Tie your camel, and then put your faith in God" is a well known religious truism. Why does your prayer understanding differ from it in a 180 degree, yet you THINK it represents religion's teaching about prayer?
Explain.
Rahlistic Visions - I mean lets say hypothetically speaking your "GOD" was real....why would he want you to be on your knees asking him for something he gave you the means to do. I would think he would want you to start marching in that direction and then he would provided the so called assistance you would have sat there and prayed for. I mean he did give you a brain....leggs, feet, hands, eye, a mouth for something.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "I mean lets say hypothetically speaking your "GOD" was real....why would he want you to be on your knees asking him for something he gave you the means to do."
AGAIN... who told you that that is how God said that prayer was supposed to function???
Muhammad Rasheed - Where are you getting that?
Muhammad Rasheed - Is that what you do? Go around literally making up from scratch what you THINK religious principles are about, and then subscribing your odd thoughts to the religions as if they are real?
Muhammad Rasheed - Is that truly the basis of your "knowledge" about the faiths of God?
Rahlistic Visions - Supposedly Jesus was supposed to be sent here to die for our "sins" right. And when people pray they are praying for something they want weather it is change or something material. So I'm saying to go and get those things instead of waiting on a mystery god.
Muhammad Rasheed - How is it that you can stand so definitively on this nonsense that you conjured from thin air with no certain knowledge to back it?
Muhammad Rasheed - "Supposedly????"
Muhammad Rasheed - Is that a scholarly term, Rahlistic?
Muhammad Rasheed - Point to me the scriptural verse that you are referencing so that you will start making sense.
Rahlistic Visions - Dude I've been both Christian and Muslim and even studied Buddhism. I know them quite well so your not speaking anything foreign to me.
Rahlistic Visions - lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Nonsense! Not ONCE have you typed a single word that proves you were either a Christian or a Muslim. Not once.
Muhammad Rasheed - Let's start back with the basics, for example. What is the purpose of prayer?
Muhammad Rasheed - Go.
Muhammad Rasheed - What is prayer?
Muhammad Rasheed - What is it FOR?
Muhammad Rasheed - You who claim to have been a Christian AND a Muslim.
Muhammad Rasheed - Well?
Rahlistic Visions - your funny so then where do you get your knowledge from. I got mine from research and studying life instead of from what "The minister said" I actually study life. That's where.
Muhammad Rasheed - Not ONCE have you demonstrated "research."
Muhammad Rasheed - Where??????
Muhammad Rasheed - lol
Rahlistic Visions - Not from no "Book" either. From life.
Muhammad Rasheed - So you admit you just make up shit and pass it off like "knowledge and research?"
Muhammad Rasheed - "Nigga ah learn from life."
Rahlistic Visions - but to be honest the thin air can teach you more about "the truth" then a book can if you study it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton... where do you get these people?
Rahlistic Visions - BOOK=other people's stories.
Rahlistic Visions - Life=Life.
Muhammad Rasheed - PLEASE shut up. Stop trying to "kick knowledge" when you can't even fucking answer a basic ass question.
Rahlistic Visions - My source is life.
Muhammad Rasheed - WTF????
Rahlistic Visions - your source is a man's book
Muhammad Rasheed - smh lol
Muhammad Rasheed - Riiiight.
Rahlistic Visions - no I don't make up stuff I study the facts and get proof that it is real and then pass off facts as facts. Don't reword my comments. I don't need an editor.
Muhammad Rasheed - "Nigga ah don't know that shit!! Keepin' it real!! I get all mah knowledge from de streets!"
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "no I don't make up stuff..."
Of course you do. That's all you are demonstrating here.
Muhammad Rasheed - Pretending it's knowledge about the faiths.
Muhammad Rasheed - WHO TOLD YOU that prayer was "wish fulfillment?"
Muhammad Rasheed - The air???
Rahlistic Visions - Nope I don't get my knowledge from the streets. I get my knowledge from life like I said. I get it from science.
Muhammad Rasheed - "Science," huh? Is that why you don't know what the purpose of prayer is? Because of all the extensive scientific treaties on the topic?
Muhammad Rasheed - omG... clifton...
Muhammad Rasheed - who ARE these people...???
Muhammad Rasheed -  >:(
Rahlistic Visions - Yes the air. Study how nature works and it will tell you more about life then some book a bunch of dudes form antiquity wrote back when they thought the earth was flat and the sun moved around the earth.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Yes the air."
hahahahahahahaha
Rahlistic Visions - who are you. YOu sound like a fool for real
Muhammad Rasheed - "Ah don't read books to learn stuff, i conjure it from the air while i make fun of your religion."
Rahlistic Visions - your are an indoctrinated slave. You still have no proven that jesus exist.
Muhammad Rasheed - Do I? The guy who doesn't believe in getting knowledge from books, but conjuring it from "the air" is telling me I sound like a fool?
Really?
Clifton Hatchett - Different schools of thought are not a bad thing brothers. Perhaps it is best that you agree to disagree.
Rahlistic Visions - I however can prove where the concept of jesus was taken from though.
Muhammad Rasheed - You can't prove shit.
Muhammad Rasheed - Shut up. Ignorant handerchief head atheist fool.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "Different schools of thought are not a bad thing brothers. Perhaps it is best that you agree to disagree."
Did I give the impression I was trying to agree with a jackass?
Muhammad Rasheed - "School of thought" my ass...
Muhammad Rasheed - School of the Air?????
Muhammad Rasheed - WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PURPOSE OF PRAYER???? Ask the air that shit!! Simple fuck!
Muhammad Rasheed - But you are going to come in here and challenge whether Jesus was real or not???
FOOL!
Rahlistic Visions - No I didn't say you can't get any knowledge from books books do have some of the knowledge but not all. What I'm saying is that you can't rely on a book especially one that has no facts just stories and an opinions. I'd rather read a book that has and shows proof of something being real not a story that give a mystery of what could be true. Science and math reveal more truth then you Koran and Bible put together.
Rahlistic Visions - LOL Why are you mad?
Rahlistic Visions - lol
Muhammad Rasheed -  Rahlistic Visions wrote: "No I didn't say you can't get any knowledge from books books do have some of the knowledge but not all."
Oh, now your ignorant ass is backtracking? What happened to your precious air?
Clifton Hatchett - Hot as fish grease....
Clifton Hatchett - This has been entertaining.
Rahlistic Visions - I'm laughing and you are frustrated right now....ask your god why that is so.
Muhammad Rasheed - Because nothing pisses me off more than Ignorant Ass Black People, like you two fucks, pretending to "kick knowledge." 
Rahlistic Visions - Are you having a problem comprehending facts?
Muhammad Rasheed - What the fuck would YOU know about a fact, air bender?
Rahlistic Visions - Sorry it's not me doing it. It's just the facts.
Rahlistic Visions - Jesus=Sun(son) of God. aka Sun or sun god.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic wrote: "Science and math reveal more truth then you Koran and Bible put together."
What does that even supposed to mean? Pleeease stop pretending to understand science. lol jesus christ!
Rahlistic Visions - lets see their were 12 disciples which made up 12 moths of the year and each disciple represented a month. .
Muhammad Rasheed - There were no months before 2,000 years ago, huh?
Muhammad Rasheed - Damn that's deep!
Muhammad Rasheed - fuckin' dumbass...
Rahlistic Visions - as was taken from prior religions to Christianity and other romance religions.
Muhammad Rasheed - Based on what?
Muhammad Rasheed - What the air told you?
Muhammad Rasheed - Is magic air your proof?
Muhammad Rasheed - Again?
Muhammad Rasheed - (wait... did this dumbass just say "romance RELIGIONS???"  wtf???)
Muhammad Rasheed - "Brutha ah didn't NEED to read it from a book! The Magic Air reveals all! Jesus is some bullshit tho."
Muhammad Rasheed - hahahahahahaha
Rahlistic Visions - yeah their were months they just were not called month. Do you know what a month is? thanks for the insult sir. You keep proving my point. But don't worry there is no Jesus so you don't have to worry about being punished for "using Evil language"...."Rica"..."curses" or what ever you want to call it. I month is a moon cycle. People have been using the cosmos to tell time long before religion.
Muhammad Rasheed - ...then he actually had the nerve to let the word "science" escape from his fool ass mouth.
Muhammad Rasheed - What the fuck IS your point supposed to be exactly? Proselythizing for the All-Knowing Air?
Rahlistic Visions - No there is no such thing as magic. The air I breath is just air.
Muhammad Rasheed - Oh, is it? What do they call "magic" in your wack-a-doo faith?
Clifton Hatchett - Muhammad Rasheed wrote: ''Because nothing pisses me off more than Ignorant Ass Black People pretending to ''kick knowledge,'' dumbass.''
This is discriminatory and implies you'd prefer another race of dumbass....lollol
Rahlistic Visions - So wait what do you believe? are you a Christian or a Muslim? lol wack-a-doo faith. lol Let's not get started on your beliefs.
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "yeah their were months they just were not called month."
What did that have to do with the apostles?
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "Do you know what a month is?"
[rolls eyes]
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "thanks for the insult sir."
You're welcome! I have a bag full of them!
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "You keep proving my point."
lol
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "But don't worry there is no Jesus so you don't have to worry about being punished for "using Evil language"...."
There is absolutely a Jesus based on the historical record. His family was well known in history from accepted academic sources. No real scholar disbelieves his real life existence, only the claims to the divine.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "'Rica'...'curses' or what ever you want to call it. I month is a moon cycle. People have been using the cosmos to tell time long before religion."
"Religion" has always been among us. It is our civilizing factor that we built our societies around from the very beginning.
Muhammad Rasheed - Clifton Hatchett wrote: "This is discriminatory and implies you'd prefer another race of dumbass....lollol"
A good point. Let the record show that I DO prefer my own race of dumbasses, even when they worship the air and pray to it for fake knowledge.
Rahlistic Visions - What do you believe in if you don't mind me asking. Are you a Christian, muslim?????
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "So wait what do you believe? are you a Christian or a Muslim?"
Didn't I just quote the Qur'an and explain the Islamic point of view regarding that meme? What the fuck is wrong with you? Other than the retarded pagan/atheist thing, i mean.
Rahlistic Visions wrote: "lol wack-a-doo faith. lol Let's not get started on your beliefs."
Ooo!! I'm scared!!!!! *shivers*
Muhammad Rasheed - Rahlistic Visions wrote: "What do you believe in if you don't mind me asking. Are you a Christian, muslim?????"
Guess, dumbass.
Rahlistic Visions - Anyway before you call my beliefs "wack-a-do" I'm going to need you to do this for me. I want you to drive out to the nearest lake or river and walk on top of the water. No cheating. And I am also going to need you to pray to your "Lord" while you do that so that you can't say it was from a lack of faith. I also need you to turn water into wine and tell you boy Gabrielle the angel to stop by the crib so I can borrow his wings. ....oh and don't kill any children....leave them out of it.
Muhammad Rasheed - Does this represent the extent of your understanding back when you were supposed to be a Christian?
Muhammad Rasheed - Hm?
Muhammad Rasheed - Let's start with the first one: What is the scriptural significance of Jesus walking on water? What did it represent?
Muhammad Rasheed - Take your time. Don't hurt yourself.
Rahlistic Visions - when you do all that then you can say that what I believe is and I quote(had to spell the quotation marks on this one) Wack-a-do. Cause last time I looked I knew that if a man walked on to water he would sink and would have to either save himself or wait for some other "men" to save him....not Jesus.
Muhammad Rasheed - (i hope you're not walking while you read this)
Rahlistic Visions - no I was just like you until I woke up.
Muhammad Rasheed - YOU WERE JUST LIKE WHO????????????????
Muhammad Rasheed - Just answer the question and fucking focus and stop talking that crazy bullshit.
Rahlistic Visions - because the apostles were named after the moon cycles.
Muhammad Rasheed - Based. On. What?
Muhammad Rasheed - Who told you this?
Muhammad Rasheed - Tell me.
Rahlistic Visions - They replaced then 12 astrological signs with the apostles because the apostles legacy was taken from prior religions.
Muhammad Rasheed - Who told you this, Rahlistic.
Muhammad Rasheed - Where did you get this?
Muhammad Rasheed - Tell me.
Clifton Hatchett - Are you both providing information as to how you both came to the beliefs you have, or is it depended upon...
Muhammad Rasheed - Try me.
Rahlistic Visions -

Muhammad Rasheed - Really? A Facebook meme?
Is that the extent of your sources?
Rahlistic Visions -


Muhammad Rasheed - holy shit you ARE retarded...
Muhammad Rasheed - i was just calling you that to make fun of you but it turned out to be true. wow.