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Weapon of the People: "The 'Reverse Racism' Fallacy"

The Coward's Game of 'Respectability Politics'

Muhammad Rasheed - My personal definition of "Respectability Politics."

I think it ultimately boils down to a high-level form of cooning, which is itself a pathetic and cowardly acknowledgement that “white people won, y’all” and we should just accept it and make the best of our lives well inside of the lines whites have arbitrarily drawn for us.

Respectability politics is basically a contest between coons, as they try to outdo each other in acting the way they think whites want them to act, dressing the way they think whites want them to dress, and promoting the ideologies they think that whites prefer them to promote, so that if they do a great job, whites will choose them to be that company’s “token black.” The ultimate goal is to have the most racist whites say, “Now THAT’S a black that I wouldn’t mind voting for!”

The practitioners of respectability politics earnestly believe that whites are crazy and that they will never stop exploiting us, but they think Blacks may experience less foulness and abuse from whites if we all agree to coon in this way. These Blacks think that ‘racism’ is our fault for angrily responding to racist actions of whites instead of just “forgiving” whites of their never-ending abuses and letting it go. They don’t believe Blacks should spend any effort in activism, or otherwise making whites feel uncomfortable, because it may make the respectability politics track more difficult as whites will just get defensive and angry and now they don’t want ANY Blacks in their company. This frustrates the high-level coon, and ironically makes them feel like it's the activists who are regressive in the race relations game.

Joe Engesser - Make America Separate Again?

Muhammad Rasheed - "again?"

Gil Harris - @M. Rasheed... so every conservative black man is what? A bad person? A traitor? An Uncle Tom? Betcha more conservative black men have intact families than lefties, BLMs and the like

Muhammad Rasheed - @Gil... Well, I did toss a blue tie in there to show that it wasn't an exclusively partisan item. Even though Black Republicans do tend to be the most ridiculously caricatured in this role, it is a Black politician thing almost across the board. Conspicuously, there's no "African-American Political Agenda" to hold the Black politician class accountable, so they are forced to align themselves to the platform of interests other than that of their own ethnic group in order to have a career. Consequently, the Black politician tends to be a sell-out figure by default, and will continue to be one (with one notable exception) until the Black community as a whole becomes more politically savvy and learns to get their elected officials in line using their vote and economic force.

Gil wrote: "Betcha more conservative black men have intact families..."

I don't see what that political talking point has to do with the topic, but you have raised an interesting concept I'd never thought about before. The idea that, as a reward for becoming a willing support class under whites in the GOP, Blacks will receive a respite from the 1%'s never-ending war against the Black Family and some token of material success within the conservative machine. That's certainly worth exploring in the data. Thanks, Gil.

Gil Harris - Not sure if you're having a sincere discussion or not---but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You said. ".........The idea that, as a reward for becoming a willing support class under whites in the GOP, Blacks will receive a respite from the never-ending war against the Black Family...." both clauses are truth deprived---but the "never ending war against the black family?" puleeeeeze--- How about some black responsibility for the demise of the black family?

Muhammad Rasheed - The respite from that attack was my own speculation based on you oddly tossing in that "intact family" thing when it had nothing to do with the topic of discussion. I figured you were letting something slip you weren't supposed to be admitting to while thinking you were being clever about it. Now that you've been called out, I wouldn't expect you to tell the truth now anyway, so we may as well let that go. lol

The war against the Black Family is very real, as documented in Moynihan's infamous report. Plus it's a no-brainer based on what it's designed to do, and who traditionally profits from stuff like that.

The Cowards Game of 'Respectability Politics'

Muhammad Rasheed - My personal definition of "Respectability Politics."

I think it ultimately boils down to a high-level form of cooning, which is itself a pathetic and cowardly acknowledgement that “white people won, y’all” and we should just accept it and make the best of our lives well inside of the lines whites have arbitrarily drawn for us.

Respectability politics is basically a contest between coons, as they try to outdo each other in acting the way they think whites want them to act, dressing the way they think whites want them to dress, and promote the ideologies they think that whites prefer them to promote, so that if they do a great job, whites will choose them to be that company’s “token black.” The ultimate goal is to have the most racist whites say, “Now THAT’S a black that I wouldn’t mind voting for!”

The practitioners of respectability politics earnestly believe that whites are crazy, but think Blacks may experience less foulness and abuse from them if we all agree to coon in this way. These Blacks think that ‘racism’ is our fault for angrily responding to racist actions of whites instead of just “forgiving” whites of their never-ending abuses and letting it go. They don’t believe Blacks should spend any effort in activism, or otherwise making whites feel uncomfortable, because it may make the respectability politics track more difficult as whites will just get defensive and angry and now they don’t want ANY Blacks in their company. This frustrates the high-level coon, and makes them feel like the activists are regressive in the race relations game.

Moors Playing Epic Game of Chess & Sharing Knowledge

Muhammad Rasheed -

1.) Matt Damon Thinks We Need to “Correct” the “Culture of Outrage” Over Sexual Harassment

2.) Jessica Williams Speaks on What a Black Woman Deals With Every Day, and Salma Hayek Has a Hard Time Listening



LaTonya Rosetta Reed - I want to expound, but the Articles basically say it all. Damon's back is against the wall; his buddies are being cornered like flies. If he was smart, he would say as little as possible. Just be quiet. As 4 Shirley McLaine & Selma Hayek? ?? smh. Again, the Article speaks for itsself.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - On 2nd thought ... I DO have more 2 say, & I know I am not creating fans or "likes" 4 saying this, but it is very interesting to me how some Black ppl chose to compare themselves to the plight of the LBGTQ Community, when if fact, the plights are not the same. Why would Jessica Williams classify herself alongside a Transgender woman, when the struggles are not the same? It seems more a "political" move, then anything: the LBGTQ Community has financial resources, & is powerful. This is why Prez O. aligned with them. Notice WHO came to the defense of Ms. Williams during her debate with McLaine & Hayek. It's almost as if Black Hollywood (in particular) is aligning themselves, stategically, to garner support, because as stated, in reality, the struggles of these two groups are not even remotely the same.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "Damon's back is against the wall; his buddies are being cornered like flies."

Damon and his white male fellows pushed their own backs against the wall, and cornered themselves like flies. When the most privileged members of a traditional oppressive society decide to step forward in defense of the most toxic aspects of that society, they are willing soldiers who've volunteered to be potentially taken out on that battle field. They could've remained quiet sure, but they felt that the very thing the oppressed have decided was unacceptable, was worth fighting for. In this case they have decided to be on the wrong side of history, and they deserve the cutting edge of the sword.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Amen ta dat! (Sizzling hot message! )

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "On 2nd thought ... I DO have more 2 say..."

Oh shit!  O_O  hahahaahhaha

LaTonya wrote: "...but it is very interesting to me how some Black ppl chose to compare themselves to the plight of the LBGTQ Community, when if fact, the plights are not the same."

lol You're just determined to have that discussion, huh? Okay.

"Ahm ya huckleberry."
Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "...the plights are not the same."

To me, you're looking at this from the wrong angle, and in fact, are allowing yourself to be drawn into the very political narrative that the high-powered LBGTQ lobbyists WANT you to believe. The Black community hasn't actually partnered with that community the way you think, but has instead partnered with the marginalized Blacks WITHIN that community.

In Western Civilization, it's ALWAYS about race. Should I be surprised to discover that inside of nearly every disenfranchised group, I find a sub-group Black people even MORE marginalized and struggling for basic recognition and survival? lol Not if I know my history the way I'm supposed to. The subjugation, exploitation, and abuse of Black people, no matter where they stand, is the one constant that always makes itself clear... with the varying levels of the oppressor class either ignoring that fact, or outright denying it while one hand is strangling a Black person just out of sight.

So the Black political activist groups partner with their Black counterparts within the homosexual community because they do indeed have a lot in common as the fight is the exact same... racism. In addition to that, the Black homosexual and trans folk fight for special political protections as a sub-special interest just because of the (often violent) 'anti-gay' sentiments within the Black community itself. The Black political activists, and the Black pro-homosexual activists are partnered for mutual self interests wrapped around the race issue and basic self-preservation.

I agree that the mainstream LBGTQ group has very little to do with the African-American fight (despite the shallow building of their management plan on our old civil rights movement model), and will unhesitatingly run over us to get their own agenda met. That's because that political machine is indeed run by the toxic while male personality, and it unscrupulously appropriates any and everything to further its selfish needs across class and partisan lines.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - TRUTH, again, Brother! Thx 4 adjusting my perspective. In the recesses of my brain, there was a thought related to LBGTQ minority races, but the thought was not clearly formed, yet! ? U SPOKE it: Blks are aligning with minority-raced (specifically Black) LBGTQs, & YES, I was determined 2 have this conversation. Being in Hollywood (or anywhere) many of my associates are LBGTQ, & I LOVE THEM, but that comparison --- coming from the white-elite males (as U point out) --- it sickens me. The debate that I referenced from the other day (on my thread)? It was a white (Jew) male. U're right, Mr. Rasheed!

Stephen Wilkinson - fucking gospel, Muhammad

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Ok, I'm BACK! Had 2 do 2 my Yoga class, but U KNOW I've got more 2 say, Muhammad Rasheed! U know me! Not the leading topic of this Post, but since it was referenced in the Article, as U pointed out, ?? I pushed 4 this topic! ?? This is because I've struggled with how 2 defend Prez O. on that Supreme Court Gay Marriage Legislation. I have associates who are VERY CONSERVATIVE, as well as Liberal associates. Among those with conservative values, the topic of Obama's implementation of this Legislation is a bone of contention --- even for Black folks, who otherwise consider themselves Liberals. From the perspective that U outline, however, Prez O.'s actions are more logical. Many Black ppl, with Conservative values, assert: "How could he (Obama) DO such a thing?!!!" As U point out, however, the Gay subcultures within minority cultures causes them to have TWO (at least) strikes against them in the plight towards equality! People need 2 be free 2-B themselves. There4, in an effort to help balance the scales of inequality, specifically for minority races of ppl, Obama chose 2 co-sign the LBGTQ Agenda. From what little I've heard, Gay culture did not begin with indigenous ppl, but was enforced upon them by whites who forcibly overtook their lands. This sub- culture has since grown into what exists today. FORGIVENESS appears 2 be the core thread that continually inspires our existences. It ain't always easy, either! Again, people need 2 have freedom within their own chosen forms of expression, & I say "chosen," because some ppl opt to not live out their alternate-lifestyle urges. Big hugs, Brother! This is great!

Muhammad Rasheed - Plus, when the LBGTQ were able to get their audience with the President, they had their stuff together. They were able to effectively argue for the needs of their special interest group, and were able to respond intelligently to the President's concerns/questions. Despite any personal biases Obama initially felt about it based on tradition, he had no real reason to say 'no' to them that wouldn't have been fundamentally unfair. So he allowed it. He even explained how that kind of back-n-forth works in his last interview with Ta-Nehisi.

So there's no reason to fuss about it in comparison to what Blacks didn't receive, since it wasn't like the President WASN'T open to hearing us effectively lay out a strong Black Empowerment plan. We just never showed up at the table, thinking he was just going to do it himself by default. lol Meanwhile, that's not how that game works. Maybe next time we'll actually be prepared for such an opportunity. We need to start getting more politically savvy right NOW.

Muhammad Rasheed - I'll betcha the extremely politically savvy newly-freed slaves during Reconstruction would have been ON IT if through some miracle a Black President would have been elected back then. It's crazy that we have to catch up to what our ancestors did back THEN when we're the ones who actually had a Black POTUS.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - SO MUCH of our history & legacy has been stolen from us --- even BE4 our ancestors arrived on American soil. As a race, our ppl do not have a CLUE who we are! It is SO sad. ?? Recently, I've been presented with MUCH VALUABLE data that convinces me that Black ppl are the ACTUAL, original Hebrews. In as much as he was horrible, Hitler knew this, & he addressed it, openly. Henry Ford also spent millions to research this matter, & published a book about it, which the Elite SHUT DOWN --- took it out of publication --- but it is now available today. Yet, when attempting 2 enter into dialogue with Black ppl --- particularly Christians --- about how WE ARE GOD's ACTUAL CHOSEN PEOPLE, as referenced in the Scriptures, do U know what I get? Blank stares. Silence. They shut down. It's almost as if their brains cannot process that we are actually God's chosen race. So used to thinking of the white man as God. The brainwashing has been SO deeply ingrained. It's in our DNA. And the divisiveness? SO MUCH negativity ... especially towards our own. Just NASTY comments about everyone from Omarosa to Serena to Megan Merkhell (Prince Harry, 4give spelling). It is sad. ?? ?????? We MUST come 2gether, in harmony, be4 we can get anything accomplished. My personal belief now leans towards our own acknowledgement of our true origins. Once we accept who we are, & move into perfect alignment with God, the tides will begin to turn in our favor. This may not happen in my lifetime, but I pray that it does.

Muhammad Rasheed - I have no doubt that some of those Africans captured for the Atlantic Slave Trade were indeed from the scattered tribes of Israel, but not all. There were far too many Blacks captured, over too long a time period, for ALL Black Americans to be from that family. Plus there were many who were pagans, too, remember?

Many of the Muslim Africans captured were probably Hebrews who had converted generations before to first Christianity, then later to Islam.

Muhammad Rasheed - The important thing isn't our genetic family lineage, but whether we accept the One God and stand in the body of believers right NOW.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - The newest theory is that all of the Black people initially migrated from the Hebrew tribes, then scattered into various parts of Africa. Some became Pagans (over time --- although, as the Scriptures outline, there was always much Pagan worship, which is what kept them in trouble  ??), & as U said, Muslims & Christians. But, the belief is that they all migrated from the Tribes of Judah, with the exception of the Nubians, who are now known as Ethiopians. This is one theory, based on data, I believe.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - I agree that our current belief is what's important. The problem is that religion, today, does not empower people to truly walk in grace. This is due to all the lies, & half-truths upon which many religions are based. Plus, the proof is in the pudding! If our current religious-faiths were TRULY empowering us, then we would be living in power, rather than confusion & victimhood. In other words: if we could DO it, we probably would already have DONE it. SOMETHING has to shift.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "The newest theory is that all of the Black people initially migrated from the Hebrew tribe..."

That theory wouldn't be possible, because Issac isn't that old. He lived around 6,000 yrs ago, and the peoples of Africa are WAAAAYYYYY older than that. There were quasi-pagan Hebrew tribes found in Africa during the European colonialist era, who were still practicing the old Levite type rituals, and wearing Hebraic armor, etc., so they were clearly from the family we are talking about. That's also proof that not ALL of the Hebrew tribes scattered throughout Africa were captured for the European slave trade, too.

Muhammad Rasheed - The more plausible theory is that the Hebrews left Egypt in waves; many leaving with Moses, but then others leaving after that in smaller groups. Plus it's reasonable to suspect that many left the Exodus camp during the 40 yr wandering in the wilderness and migrated to more comfortable climbs in Africa, too.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "Plus, the proof is in the pudding! It our current religious-faiths were TRULY empowering us, then we would be living in power, rather than confusion & victimhood."

That's the same argument Job's "friends" were trying to convince him of. As I recall, the Lord's response was that He does as He pleases to test the believers in their faith.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Ur pts are valid since Africans were the "original men/women" long be4 Abraham & Issaac. Also, I am not completely well-versed in this data, so excuse my mis-statements, but the theory is that the Africans of Hebrew origin were the ones sold into slavery. Not all of them, of course, but the original Hebrews were intentionally pin-pointed, & sold, since it was the Khazarian Jews who murdered Yeshua, & who also financed the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. It sort of makes sense.

Muhammad Rasheed - The problem is that action must come with our belief in God. All the gains we have made have come from both belief and through patient perseverance in the active fight. When we suffered in stagnation was when we believed (or semi-believed) and sat around waiting for white folk to be good to us. lol That's been our downfall a LOT over the last few centuries.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - AGREED. Now what does that have 2 do with us coming to terms with who we are?

Muhammad Rasheed - It makes SOME sense, but it doesn't line up all the way with the facts. It was easier to capture the pagans because they were able to sell them rum, wait till nightfall when they would get drunk, and then attack them in their inebriated state. Naturally that tactic didn't work with the Muslims.

Muhammad Rasheed - Well, for one, how will we determine which of us are actually descendants of Jacob's tribes?

Second, determining whether we will believe and flourish under the covering of the God of Abraham will be the ultimate decision whether we remain slaves or come into our fullness of favor as "kingdom kids."

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Now U're loosing me, Bruh! ? Aside from the Nubians, many original Hebrews, presumably, HAD fallen into Pagen lifestyles. Now, 4give me 4 my extremely limited knowledge on Islam's history; I do not know the numbers that existed, or rather they were included in the Slave Trade.

But, U wrote, which is where U're loosing me:

"That's the same argument Job's 'friends' were trying to convince him of. As I recall, the Lord's response was that He does as He pleases to test the believers in their faith."

? With all the challenges that Black ppl now face, in America, & world-wide, do U REALLY expect me 2 believe that YOU believe that it is God "testing us?" Have U ever spoken 2 Black Christians (besides me)? Their lifestyles, & walks with God are not impressive, my friend. I am not "close" with many Muslims, but they appear to be more on point as far as integrity & values. And still, something is missing, namely, the thread that binds us all together, & moves us away from all this divisiveness, which we referenced a moment ago. What is it? God is not "testing us." As a race, we are OUTSIDE of His Will, Brother, due to a lack of knowledge, I believe. Hold 4 a Video that summarizes this theory, please.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - [VIDEO] Deuteronomy 28 prove blacks are Israelites

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya, the entire point of being on earth is that we are all tested, in both adversity & prosperity, to see who will be steadfast in faith and get to go to heaven over hell. That's why we're here. That was the lesson from the story of Job, that no matter what you go through, if you maintain your belief in the Lord and continue to walk in obedience, then you will win.

Muhammad Rasheed - It doesn't matter whether any of us are the descendants of the Hebrew tribes or not. What matters is if we believe and walk out our faith right NOW. What is your relationship with the Lord thy God TODAY. That's all that matters. If you are currently not in right standing as a believer, then you need to GET THERE, repent and walk that walk before you die. That's the message of scripture; God's message to all of humankind.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - In response 2 Ur question, I am inclined to believe that WE ARE ALL descendents from the Tribes of Judah, which is the lineage of Yeshua, & there4, God's Chosen & Annointed People! I've SEEN YOUR WORK: You CAN't TELL ME you're not annointed! U've NEVER heard me sing. There is a DEEP ANNOINTING on my life, & most of my family, in various ways. LOOK AT US: LOOK at Black people. Can U not see that we are God's annointed, who suffer, not because we are being tested, but rather, because we are outside of His Will?

Muhammad Rasheed - I think this "tested" versus "outside of His will" conflict is just a matter of semantics.

Muhammad Rasheed - God's anointed were His messengers who were instructed to preach His Word. We are the body of believers, who agreed that the God of Abraham is who He said He is in scripture, and we've agreed to obey Him so we may enjoy His favor and blessings.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - All of what U've shared is truth. Many talk a good talk; they know the Scriptures in, & out. And, having the tools to "live these truths" is the point of this conversation. WHAT if Black ppl --- what if THE WORLD --- would acknowledge that Black ppl are God's Chosen? Would this not make a difference on the planet?

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Hold 4 one more short Video, please.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - [VIDEO] White Church must wake up! We're enslaving God's Chosen!

Muhammad Rasheed - The Caucasian Jews in power in Israel are aware of the Black Hebrews and they abuse them because of that very knowledge, LaTonya. I can't expect the rest of the world to give a damn. Did they give a damn about you inside of the last 6 millennia of hardships you went through?

Muhammad Rasheed - I told you I already believe some of the African-Americans are descendants of the tribes of Jacob. I don't need to be convinced of that concept.

Muhammad Rasheed - The concept of "the chosen people of God" is a fiction. God only cares about those who agree to believe in Him, and obey His precepts of righteousness. Those are the people who are saved.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - I am merely confused by your resistence. Mainly, the point is for Black ppl to gain awareness. Once THIS happens, I think that we will TRUELY begin to reap the blessings promised to Abraham. This is just my heartfelt belief about Black ppl.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol What do you think I'm resisting exactly? That ALLLL Blacks are descendants of the Hebrew tribes? I'm resistant to that because it's not realistic. The European slave takers were grabbing whoever they could with Black skin for their super-international money machine. They didn't have the time or inclination to be picky about it.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Again, I am confused by your resistence to accepting the idea that Black ppl are chosen. With our blood lineage, DNA, & melinated skin, which science CONTINUES TO EXPERIMENT ON, how can U not see that WE are special? They hate us because we are special, @Muhammed. Is that not apparent? THEY know we are special: why can't WE accept it?

Muhammad Rasheed - Oh.

Muhammad Rasheed - Well, it's not that I'm not inclined to celebrate something like that since I do self-identify with that people. My issue in this discussion is that I believe what God said about what He cares about and what He will judge us by on the Last Day. Will melanin come up? No, it will not. All God cares about -- per His message to humankind in scripture -- is which of us believed. None of the rest of that stuff matters in the least.

Muhammad Rasheed -

WHAT GOD CARES ABOUT:
1.) Did you believe in God?
2.) Did you share generously of what God provided for you with those in need?
3.) Did you help people?
4.) Did you avoid evil actions?
5.) Did you repent of evil when you messed up?

WHAT GOD DOESN'T CARE ABOUT:
1.) Were you male or female?
2.) What nation were you born in?
3.) Were you from the Black race or the white race?
4.) Were you rich or poor?
5.) Were you a slave or a king?
6.) Were you healthy or sick?
7.) Were you specially talented or ordinary?
8.) Were you married or single?
9.) Did you have many children or were you barren?
10.) What family lineage were you from?

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - OK. If U are walking empowered, & believe that the Black race is already walking empowered, then end of discussion. I have merely shared my beliefs.

Also, "yes," I DO believe that the Atlantic Slave Trade was planned & calculated. I do not believe that "they just grabbed anyone they could get their hands on," for the simple fact that some Africans sold others for profit. There4, they whites would have known who to take, vs. who not to take.

Either way, these are merely my beliefs, & my goals for living more in grace & power, without the need to convince U, or others, that U need 2 do the same. These are merely part of our discussions about how to create more solidarity among Black ppl for accomplishing goals for our communities & race.

Peace, Brother Muhammed!

Muhammad Rasheed - (you're all over the place in this thread btw. pick a topic!)

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Yes, I know. We got onto the Black Hebrews based your reference about Blacks not being organized enough to garner Prez Obama's support. I then shared my beliefs, as a possible remedy to this problem, which, according to you NOW DOES NOT EXIST, since Black ppl are already walking completely empowered! Peace, Rasheed!

Muhammad Rasheed - GET BACK HERE!!!

Muhammad Rasheed - That's not what I was saying. I do believe we need to be fighting for Black Empowerment and etc., as that is a righteous fight. What I'm saying is that our special-ness in the sight of the Lord is based on our status as believers, not our blood line.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "...for the simple fact that some Africans sold others for profit."

This happened, but it didn't drive the Atlantic Slave Trade. In the very beginning of the European trading, some of this was going on, but as soon as the mega-wealth from the big business industry started with the Dutch East India Trading Company and their corporate peers, then they literally -- LITERALLY! -- grabbed any and every Black skin they could and shoved them into those stinking ships. This included the African traders. Greed stopped making them care, and they seized EVERYBODY. When this started, and it started early, everybody stayed away from the coasts and the slave takers had to get more creative. That's where the rum strategy I mentioned earlier started being used, and it was the dominant strategy throughout the slave trade.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Ok, point duly noted about the slave trade which is a whole other topic, although def related.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - OK, left me try this from a different angle: Have U ever considered why the Jews are so powerfull, economically, politically, & influencially, as a whole? It's largely because they believe they are God's chosen people, & they strictly adhere to the Laws of the Torah (such as continual animal slaughter/sacrifice for the purpose of ritual & creating a kosher diet. What if Black ppl had a similar belief (being God's Chosen), & adhered NOT to the Laws of the Torah, but to the Covenant, as prescribed by God until the time of Moses (when disobedience caused the Covenant violation, & inspired the need for rituals, including animal sacrifices, & laws? What if we strictly adhered to the Covenant, knowing we are God's chosen, & thereby reaped the full benefits of His grace?

Do U think our lives would be different?

Do U think that the difference in OUR LIVES would positively affect the world?

Muhammad Rasheed - Are you using your phone to type all these books? lol

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Yes, believe it or not.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - WHO CARES if we are ALL actual Hebrew descendents? Who cares? The Jews LITERALLY have no actual lineage or right to the original Hebrews, & yet they've convinced the world, & their descendents that they are God's Chosen, & aside from being hated, like us, things seem to be working out okay for them as a race of people.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed -"It is done unto you as U BELIEVE." If Black ppl were to start BELIEVING that we are "Chosen," like the Jews?

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - I hope U're over there watching the Videos I Posted.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "WHO CARES if we are ALL actual Hebrew descendents? Who cares?"

I don't. It literally doesn't matter one way or the other in the big picture. It does explain the nature of the deviousness against Blacks displayed by the Caucasoid Jews who pretend to be the original children of Israel though.

LaTonya wrote: "The Jews [...] things seem to be working out okay for them as a race of people."

Whether something is "working out okay" depends entirely on your standing in the sight of the One God per the Word. If your material wealth and high quality of life comes from manipulation, trafficking, and a slew of other immoral and illegal activities that hurt others to build you up, then you aren't "working out okay," but are sowing mischief in the earth (while pretending your material success comes from a special "chosen people" blessing from your special relationship with God). Hell will be your portion, and that will NOT be "okay."

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "Have U ever considered why the Jews are so powerfull, economically, politically, & influencially, as a whole?”

I already know, LaTonya. Their wealth is from the same source as that of Western civilization as a whole.

LaTonya wrote: “It's largely because they believe they are God's chosen people, & they strictly adhere to the Laws of the Torah (such as continual animal slaughter/sacrifice for the purpose of ritual & creating a kosher diet.”

Nonsense. Their wealth comes from the subjugation and/or exploitation of non-whites, no different than the other Euro-ethnic signatories of the White Supremacist Ideology racial contract. Remember that the original model of the Atlantic Slave Trade – Jewish-owned rum distilleries, Jewish-owned sugarcane plantations, Jewish-owned slave ships, and working with the international corporations like The Dutch East India Trading Company – was already working like a well-practiced, well-oiled machine when it FIRST started. That means a huge portion of their accumulated wealth was ALREADY COMING from the subjugation and exploitation of other people BEFORE the European whites took over the enterprise after the Revolutionary War and it became the Super-Business that fueled the entire Western Civilization. Nothing they’ve done had the blessing of God; they counted on their teams of rabbis and Talmudic scholars to invent loopholes from thin air that enabled them to fraudulently commit evil upon others for profit while pretending they were holy. This is why they rejected the messages of the string of Hebrew prophets that came to correct them, including the Christ Jesus, and they rejected the prophet Muhammad from their brethren Semite nation (peace be upon all the prophets of God).

LaTonya wrote: “What if Black ppl had a similar belief (being God's Chosen), & adhered NOT to the Laws of the Torah, but to the Covenant, as prescribed by God until the time of Moses (when disobedience caused the Covenant violation, & inspired the need for rituals, including animal sacrifices, & laws? What if we strictly adhered to the Covenant, knowing we are God's chosen, & thereby reaped the full benefits of His grace?”

You’re saying a lot that doesn’t actually align to God’s message here. It would be best for the Black peoples to align ourselves to the truth of God’s message, and work hard according to the “reap/sow” principles that God said were universal, and would work for anyone to build up wealth. Blacks have never had a problem building wealth; the problem is that there are always barbaric outsiders plundering Blacks of their wealth, preventing them from accumulating legacy over the generations since chattel slavery ended. The false belief that your enemy is somehow not your enemy, and that he will magically take the initiative to do right by you without you first having to MAKE him do so, is the root cause of our current plight.

LaTonya wrote: "'It is done unto you as U BELIEVE.' If Black ppl were to start BELIEVING that we are 'Chosen,' like the Jews?"

No. Your belief must align to the Truth of what the One God proclaimed. God never said those people were special in any way beyond what was covenanted with the patriarchs of olde. God promised His prophets that because of THEIR goodly service they would be blessed with progeny more numerous than the stars in the sky, a covenant that was fulfilled when the prophet Moses (peace be upon him) brought his oft rebellious people to the edge of the River Jordan. It doesn’t matter how much they claim to “believe” they are especially chosen; that is a fiction since it fails to align to the principles of Truth that the Lord thy God hath established.

The "chosen people of God" are all those who choose to believe in Him, do what God commands, avoid evil and repent when they mess up. Period.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "I hope U're over there watching the Videos I Posted."

lol I've skimmed them, as I'm already well-versed in those arguments.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - What U said about "God"s chosen...being those that obey him, repent.".. etc., is basically all I am saying. If Black ppl (or ANY ppl) BELIEVE they are God's chosen, & live accordingly, then our lives would be better. However, LOOK at the masses: Is THIS what U observe about our race, as a whole? Like the rest of the masses, we are "caught up in the propaganda," & for us, ESPECIALLY, it's not helping. Too much ego-driven activity. Cultivating humility, & devotion should be of paramount importance. And, as far as the Khazarian Jews? Perhaps they will reap their just rewards in the afterlife, I cannot say. I want blessings for me & my people.

Muhammad Rasheed - LaTonya wrote: "If Black ppl (or ANY ppl) BELIEVE they are God's chosen, & live accordingly, then our lives would be better."

God said that everyone will be tested by both prosperity and adversity. Now if you are interpreting "better" as the material way of life, then that would be problematic if God decided to test you with adversity in your finances. What would keep you from believing that "God was a fiction" since you didn't see the fruits of what you said you believed in? You would fail the test, earn hell, and it would be the very reason God tested you. The white peoples who claim to believe perform every diabolical dirty trick to build and maintain wealth, while believing they hold God's special favor. Many even use their material success as proof that they themselves are divine and worship themselves (this includes the Caucasoid Jews). These failed the test of prosperity, but realize it not. Hellfire will be their portion.

LaTonya wrote: "However, LOOK at the masses: Is THIS what U observe about our race, as a whole?"

I think most people fail God's adversity/prosperity tests, because they have a weak understanding of why they are here, what God requires of them, and they never think to dig into the Word to find that information out.

LaTonya wrote: "Like the rest of the masses, we are 'caught up in the propaganda,' & for us, ESPECIALLY, it's not helping."

Agreed. The movements of abandoning the One God and taking on paganism and atheism will definitely make things worse. Our BIGGEST gains since we got here were led by the church. Those who refuse to recognize that power are fools.

LaTonya wrote: "Too much ego-driven activity. Cultivating humility, & devotion should be of paramount importance."

That's a special test all by itself, since the subjugated former slave, who even now lives as a second class citizen in a quasi-police state, needs to build up their self-esteem in an extreme way in order to counter the damage caused by centuries of racism's abuse.

LaTonya wrote: "And, as far as the Khazarian Jews? Perhaps they will reap their just rewards in the afterlife, I cannot say. I want blessings for me & my people."

You CAN say since the promises of your Lord are true. Those who've dedicated themselves to wrongdoing will indeed receive their reward on the Last Day.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - Well stated, on all points. I especially like (& agree) with Ur observation about the inherent "test" in cultivating humility. Self-esteem is an ISSUE 4 many; there4, balancing the scales between self-knowing & humility is an on-going discipline. Also, I agree that the majority power of Black ppl has come by way of the church, in spite of all its inherent faults.

Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, the inherent faults in the church are no less than the same inherent faults of humanity itself. We'll work it out.

LaTonya Rosetta Reed - The other point of key concern is about wealth & money. The famous Scripture about it being "...easier for a camel to go thru the needle point, then for a rich person to enter heaven" carries A LOT of weight. When U reference being "tested by God," this is an area where many ppl are challenged. In the "Land of La-La," where I live, there are an ABUNDANCE of opportunities for making money, & a lot of them have nothing to do with wholesome values. Yet, the pressure is ON... for survival, & to "impress" in ways that can advance one's career/social/economic efforts. I've tried A LOT of stuff. For me, being in integrity, which means sticking with God, is the only way. I see A LOT of stuff in my current "side gig." Girls making money, guys making loot, & I shake my head, not in judgement, but in compassion, because I've BEEN THERE! Desperate to "keep up with the Joneses," so U'll do nearly anything to keep up that facade. Even MAINTAINING INTEGRITY in LEGAL business ... it can be a challenge, especially when others , around U, are riding that slippery slope resembling "questionable" practices. I have changed THE MAJORITY of my associations in the last two years. Even CHURCH folks --- especially church folks! Many doing some "shady" stuff, but like I said: "I joined that party 4 awhile," & got my "hiney" spanked (since I REALLY am a church girl, so didn't know what the heck I was doing, NO WAY! ☺). Today I am grateful. It can be tedious & hard... not AS MUCH popularity & cash-all-around, but, gosh, I'm happier. I am much happier.

Muhammad Rasheed - Good! Stay under the Lord's covering, you!

Problematic Nostalgia

Milton Davis - Name a television show you used to watch back in the day that when you see it now you think it's terrible.

I'll start. Welcome Back Kotter. Why did I think this show was funny?

Muhammad Rasheed - Every. Single. Show. All of them.

I watched them religiously as a kid and they ALLLL sucked. None of them match the fondness within my memory.

Michael Daniels - The westerns (The Rifleman, Gunsmoke, Bananza) still hold up for me, as does The Twilight Zone.

Muhammad Rasheed - I can't imagine Westerns holding up ever. lol You know there were Black people around in those days, right?

Muhammad Rasheed - Like... ACTUAL Black people. Not like props, or background paintings or whatever.

Michael Daniels - I probably know better than you.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol What was the time period that these shows were produced again?

Muhammad Rasheed - lol

Michael Daniels - Fifties and sixties

Muhammad Rasheed - "Like... ACTUAL Black people. Not like props, or background paintings or whatever."

Muhammad Rasheed - A white person's interpretation of a Black person counts as a "prop."

ESPECIALLY in the '50s and '60s.

Michael Daniels - Are you mad that Lucas McCain didnt have an interacial son? Most of the black males were cowboys....Bonanza and Rifleman were about rachers and their families

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not mad that you like the westerns. I'm just saying I disagree with whether they held up to any kind of anything to measure holding up to. lol

TV shows from the past were shit, and were racist as shit.

Muhammad Rasheed - Certainly the ones from very important time periods in Black History that pretended Blacks didn't exist because of the inconvenient truth not aligning with the whiteness narrative of Hollywood storytellers.

Michael Daniels - They hold up as good storytelling and are well acted.

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not mad that you like the westerns. Enjoy, Deac.

Michael Daniels - Blacks existed, but if they were depicted as how they really were in that time period you wouldnt like it either.

Muhammad Rasheed - I love and prefer documentaries. I would never be mad at telling me the truth. Those old storytellers don't know what that word means though, and why I can't join you.

Michael Daniels - Black men in the old west were predominantly cowboys meaning they herded cattle over long stretches of land to butcher yards. Many of the black women in the west were prostitutes and saloon girls.

Michael Daniels - There were attempts to start black townships in the west but those were stamped out fairly quickly. Most towns in the old west were NOT integrated and showing them to be so on a TV show would be the biggest fiction.

Muhammad Rasheed - This excerpted clip from a presentation on Black Women in the Old West paints a different picture of what the majority of them were doing at the time than what you typed. Yours sounds like you were trying to slander them out of defense for the shows you like.

I wouldn't expect tv shows or popular literature about the West to say that old towns back then were integrated, since the norm was to white wash Blacks out of the regular narrative. I also wouldn't expect someone that grew up watching those kinds of jim crow era produced westerns with fondness to be open to the idea of "You know there were Black people around in those days, right?"

I'm also not surprised that in your kneejerk defense of what you love, your instinct was to paint the Blacks of the time in a bad light from your Christian lens.

Michael Daniels - It actually paints the same picture in the beginning and then highlights the exceptions. I'm not really interested in what you would expect, the reality is more important and that reality had black folks struggling in the old west. Free black women had very few options, exceptions notwithstanding. There were servants and nannies and these roles cropped up from time to time on the shows, but race relations between blacks and whites wasn't the point of those shows and it doesn't have to be for a show to be entertaining.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "It actually paints the same picture in the beginning..."

No, it doesn't. It didn't say anything about "prostitutes and saloon girls," but the opposite.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "...the reality is more important..."

Sure is.

Michael wrote: "...and that reality had black folks struggling in the old west."

Everyone struggled in those days, since it was right after the bloodiest war in American history, and the country was being rebuilt. Those shows didn't show any reality as far as the Blacks were concerned.

Michael wrote: "Free black women had very few options, exceptions notwithstanding."

The clip said very pointedly what the majority of them WERE doing, and THEN listed those exceptions. It then mentioned all the maid and servant positions they filled after that.

Michael wrote: "...but race relations between blacks and whites wasn't the point of those shows..."

lol Oh, I know. That's why they don't hold up to reality.

Michael wrote: "...and it doesn't have to be for a show to be entertaining."

Whether something is entertaining or not is subjective, innit?

Michael Daniels - Now you're just being ridiculous. Whether or not a show discusses race is not the linchpin of whether it holds up. It may be the case for you but for most educated people it's not. Btw, all of these shows did deal with race from time to time but more from the Native American standpoint than black.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Now you're just being ridiculous."

*snort* I find your nostalgic defense of racist bs to be ridiculous. Now we're even.

Michael wrote: "Whether or not a show discusses race is not the linchpin of whether it holds up."

If a show is firmly within the trend of lying to me to support white supremacy's bs narrative, then it doesn't hold up.

Michael wrote: "It may be the case for you but for most educated people it's not."

What kind of "education" would that be? White supremacist indoctrination? That figures. #EscapeTheMatrix

Michael wrote: "Btw, all of these shows did deal with race from time to time but more from the Native American standpoint than black."

lol Sure. A jim crow era produced western tv show "dealt with race." I'll bet.

Michael Daniels - So a show about a man raising his son who shoots bank robbers from time to time is somehow lying to you about race. Would you be happy if more of the outlaws he killed were black.

Muhammad Rasheed - Why would I be happy about that? Wouldn't that be more of the same? They either scrub the record of the presence of Blacks, or when they do show them, give them all the "deplorable" roles. You're asking me if turning the plate around to the other thing racist storytellers always serve would make me happy. Is that the only other option your "educated" mind could conjure then?

Call me "ridiculous" again.  :)

Michael Daniels - The Rifleman Deals With Racism

In this episode Lucas has Mark spend time with someone from another culture to allay prejudice.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol I said, "I'll bet."

Do you really want me to watch it and dissect it? 'Cause I'm POSITIVE it will be some some straight-up nonsense that doesn't hold up.

Michael Daniels - You're straight-up ridiculous.

Muhammad Rasheed - That's fine, Deac. I'll refrain from saying what you are straight-up coming across as in this thread to me.

Michael Daniels - That's fine, Mo. I see your need to make everything about race hampers your ability to enjoy a good story. You have my sympathy.

Muhammad Rasheed - ???

Everything is already about race. I didn't make it up. I just don't believe in the "respectability politics" of pretending that elephant isn't always in every room. This is the United States of America. Actual educated people are indeed aware that everything is about race. That's why you have the president you currently have, because it's all about race.

Muhammad Rasheed - A "good story" doesn't shove the white supremacist ideology down my throat, and otherwise good stories cease being good the moment the writer dips into that pot.

Michael Daniels - The story is about a man raising his son in the old west. His backstory is that he fought for the north in the civil war, his wife died of typhoid fever and he is trying to start over. How and why that story threatens or even impacts your black sensibilities is beyond me.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "How and why that story threatens or even impacts your black sensibilities is beyond me..."

Well, your confusion about that makes sense if you frame it around the parts of the story that the jim crow era writers want you to focus on, while deliberately ignoring what was going on in the time period's real world. "You know there were Black people around in those days, right?" was your clue. Mentioning that "he fought for the north in the civil war" without dealing with what that actually meant in the show, is whitewash racism in action (in literature, educated people refer to that particular whitewash as the "Lost Cause").

Enjoy your westerns, Deac. It's fine.

Michael Daniels - Except you don't knowhow that was dealt with in story because you never watched it. And labelling someone a Jim Crow era writer makes as much sense as calling you a Trump era artist. Each writer and work should be judged on its own merit.

Michael Daniels - Enjoy your.....hatred?

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Except you don't knowhow that was dealt with in story because you never watched it."

I know the history of racism issues in television. I know the history of creating fake non-issue strawmen and having the characters "deal with race" from a standpoint of political expediency that doesn't offend the racist audience/sponsors.

Michael wrote: "And labelling someone a Jim Crow era writer makes as much sense as calling you a Trump era artist."

Does it? My art isn't watched over by studio head executives and guided in a way that matches the thread of a very specific narrative that guided all Hollywood scripts up into the present day. I'm an independent.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Enjoy your.....hatred?"

I only hate the white supremacist ideology and those who support it.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Enjoy your.....hatred?"

I only hate the white supremacist ideology and those who support it.

Muhammad Rasheed - I find it interesting that you consider it "hate" that I push back on shows from a time period in which those in charge of that art form made it a regular practice to not include me in stuff.

If my protest is the definition of "hatred" then what do you call...? Oh, that's right. You broke your neck painting Blacks from the Old West in a negative light and pretended it was truth.

Enjoy your westerns, Deac. It's fine.

Michael Daniels - No....that only means your art is guided by your own biases and limited understanding w hich have been guided by your own fears and hurts both real and percieved.

Muhammad Rasheed - What does the "No" part mean? No, I'm not an independent?

Michael Daniels - I did no such thing. I gave you a a sample of the reality of the old west for black folks based on a lot of research and an unbiased historical perpective. You found a youtube clip that cherrypicked the exceptions.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "I did no such thing."

Meanwhile, that's precisely what you did.

Michael wrote: "I gave you a a sample of the reality of the old west for black folks..."

You actually framed it as if it was the norm for Black people. You were deliberately trying to give the impression that it made up the bulk of the lives of Blacks living in the Old West. That the men were all tearing up the land and all the women folk were whores.

Michael wrote: "...based on a lot of research and an unbiased historical perpective."

You've done no research on Black lives in the Old West. You were content to swallow the white-scrubbed version of the Old West packaged by white people because it matched the nostalgic trip of watching the shows you've enjoyed from your childhood.

Michael wrote: "You found a youtube clip that cherrypicked the exceptions."

Meanwhile, the clip explained what the bulk of Blacks were doing before it started listing the exceptional personalities, and then after that, it mentioned that most of the women got maid/servant jobs, which is very different from what you typed about it.

Michael Daniels - If you can't enjoy a story in which the protagonist and his son don't have an acceptable level of melanin in his skin then unfortunately youre missing out on some absolutely monumental books movies shows music and even life. Such a shame you have this hang u p, Mo.

Muhammad Rasheed - There's a difference between insisting that the protagonist of a western be a Black person, versus insisting that the western actually reflect that Black people had a huge presence in the time period -- a presence focused on very specific reasons that were vital to how the country is shaped. The norm from both Hollywood and popular literature is to pretend that Blacks didn't have much presence at all by whitewashing history in the usual fashion. I don't believe in going along with that and you, like my white racist opponents, refer to that position as "hatred."

Muhammad Rasheed - From my point-of-view, the hang up is your own.

Michael Daniels - Nope, a peer reviewed article on the subject a few years back. Btw I was specifically referring to free black women and men. Those women w ho were servants and nannies werent free and neither were the majority of the ones within the Native American system.

Michael Daniels - I didnt refer to it as hatred I asked you if it was? I dont know what to call what you have.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Nope..."

lol

Michael wrote: "...a peer reviewed article..."

Sure. *roll eyes*

Michael wrote: "Btw I was..."

Doesn't matter.

Michael Daniels - I could produce the article easily enough. Everything Ive written in the last decade is somewhere on my harddrive, but Im laying in bed on my phone.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "I didnt refer to it as hatred I asked you if it was?"

Did it seem like "hate" that it made you ask the question? What about it means "hate?"

Michael wrote: "I dont know what to call what you have."

Well, there's enough parallels between your responses and those of my ideological enemy to give me an accurate phrase for what you have.

Muhammad Rasheed - In the context of this thread discussion, please define "hate" in your own words.

Michael Daniels - When someone judges a person or thing as bad without actually experiencing that person or thing its often referred to as hate. Thats what youre doing w ith these shows only knowing the time period in which th e y were written.

Michael Daniels - Thats why i asked.

Alesia Swan - @Michael Daniels... I’m not sure on what you based your opinion that Black women of the Old West were primarily sex workers. Some basic research finds that “The period from the late eighteenth century to the early 1900s, he found women who were activists, farmers, true pioneers, army wives, gold hunters, mail order brides, black Indians, servants, and business owners in all areas of the West, from the early frontiers in Indiana and Ohio to later settlements in the Northwest, Southwest, and far North.” This excerpt was taken from the book Black Women in the West.

Michael Daniels - Im not hung up on anything. I have the ability to freely appreciate art on its own merit.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "When someone judges a person or thing as bad without actually experiencing that person or thing its often referred to as hate. Thats what youre doing w ith these shows only knowing the time period in which th e y were written."

1.) Black had a huge presence in the Old West

2.) It was a volatile time period between the races because it was fresh after the Civil War, and the white supremacist terror groups were revving up to lead to the repealing of Reconstruction, which was a HUGE hot button at the time

3.) The "lost cause" was the active effort to reframe the Civil War narrative as having nothing to do with "the Black problem" that was in fact its center, as well as the time period directly after which includes the Old West.

4.) Those shows don't show a strong Black presence by design, and certainly don't talk about the major hot button items that were saturated throughout that real world.

5.) As a Black person, I'm tired of racist mess exactly like that, and I'm unwilling to aid you in glorifying problematic fundamentally racist claptrap from the problematic past because you want to cherry-pick out all the parts that make you warm & fuzzy about your dad.

6.) Racism is bad. Stories that serve no practical purpose other than helping create the narrative of Whiteness are BAD.

Michael Daniels - @Ms Swan...Im familiar with that book. I may even have it on my shelf. Im not sure where I said they were predominantly sex workers. That was an embellishment Mo provided as he is wont to do. I said that many of them were prostitutes (in the mining camps) and saloon girls.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Im not sure where I said they were predominantly sex workers. That was an embellishment Mo provided as he is wont to do."



Michael Daniels - 1. Black men made up about one third of the cowboys (cattledrivers) in the old west yes. And there were black sharecroppers and homesteaders and the occasional landowner but we were not prevalent. Many many old west towns were not integrated. They were racist as fuck. Dude, my Dad grew up on a cattle ranch in the 1940s and 50s and never saw a black person until he moved to California.

Michael Daniels - You just pointed out and circled what I just reitterated.

Muhammad Rasheed - I circled and pointed out the part where you implied all the Black women were sex workers.

Michael Daniels - 2. Yes, a good chunk of those displaced racist Southerners moved out west and continued to oppress and exclude blacks.

Muhammad Rasheed - YOU: "...but if they were depicted as how they REALLY were you wouldn't like it."

YOU: "THEY WERE PROSTITUTES!!!"

Muhammad Rasheed - How else is what you said to be translated, deac? lol

Michael Daniels - It is neither stated explicitly or implied. As I said thats your embellishment.

Muhammad Rasheed - Anytime you want to start using a little integrity today, Rev.

Muhammad Rasheed - Bald-faced lying doesn't look good on you. It's pretty slimy.

Michael Daniels - What I said is clear. For dramatic purposes you want to make it mean something other than whats there CIRCLED in black and white.

Muhammad Rasheed - Enjoy your western nostalgic trip, but don't stand here and pretend that shit wasn't racist as fuck.

Do ACTUAL research and actually learn history and then start running your lying-ass, non-integrity having pie hole.

Jackass.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "What I said is clear."

Yeah! VERY clear. Jackass.

Michael Daniels - Im glad you dont have the ability to edit my shit. Im sure you would insidiously change where i said many to predominantly or all. Th a ts just low, especi a lly for a devout Muslim, Muhammed.

Muhammad Rasheed - ...said the lying, non-integrity having jackass "Reverend."

Muhammad Rasheed - Bye, Deac. I'm rapidly getting tired of you and that worthless ass Kirby.

Muhammad Rasheed - RACISM IS BAD.

Muhammad Rasheed - It really is. That's not just in my head.

Michael Daniels - Get some rest my friend. Im sorry I didnt say wh a t you wanted me t o say.

Muhammad Rasheed - It's 1pm over here. YOU get some rest.

Muhammad Rasheed - And stop trying to boss me around!  >:(

Michael Daniels - There were black p e ople in England too. Do I have to kick my boy Sherlock Holmes to the curb? What about MiddleEarth and Narnia? Are they off limits too?

Michael Daniels - I didnt know you were still over there. Btw, not really a Reverend anymore with or without the quotes.

Muhammad Rasheed - You don't have to kick anything to the curb. I said "enjoy your westerns, it's fine" about a thousand times.

Just don't try to pull nonsense out of your butt about history not being history just because you love those old shows.

Muhammad Rasheed - It was your blatant and selfish defense of evil that pissed me off.

Muhammad Rasheed - I hold nostalgic trips over a lot of problematic stuff I grew up on, sure. But I'm never going to defend the problematic aspects of it JUST because of the fondness I hold for those old properties.

Step up and be righteous! Don't side with evil! Are you CRAZY????

Muhammad Rasheed - (i'm too old to get this angry. i think you just tried to kill me)

Michael Daniels - I dont defend evil. We live in a racist system. The natural conclusion from y our standpoint is every book movie or piece of a r t that doesnt acknowledge that explicitly is evil by association. I merely refuse to be shackled by that mindset.

Michael Daniels - History is history. I have a fair and solid grasp of it. I dont whitewash it nor do I ignore the truth of it based on skin color.

Muhammad Rasheed - You're shackled by siding along with the white supremacists to add to the "Lost Cause" narrative of removing Black people from the historic record in the areas that makes whites look bad if you tell it the way it really happened. That includes the Civil War, Reconstruction, and your beloved Old West.

By accepting the way THEY tell those tales, people like you react the way you do when it is pointed out those stories are whitewashed.

Michael Daniels - I didnt react any kind of way. You seem to think the old west was some type of wonderful melting pot where blacks and whites got on swimmingly. And incongruously you dont think a good story can be t old without it being based on race.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "I didnt react any kind of way."

You don't think getting defensive and pushing back on the lack of depicted Blacks protest by implying all the Black women were whores in order to get me to drop it wasn't a reaction, huh? What do YOU call it then?

Michael wrote: "You seem to think the old west was some type of wonderful melting pot where blacks and whites got on swimmingly."

I'm pretty sure I'm the one that brought up the white supremacist terror groups part of the narrative. I can't see how that could be considered a "melting pot" of "swimmingly."

So am I swimming in a melting pot La-La Land or am I exhibiting "hatred?" Which is it?

Michael wrote: "And incongruously you dont think a good story can be t old without it being based on race."

I don't think a "good story" can be told if it is centered in supporting the carefully protected over-arching narrative of white supremacy, no. Cherry-pick out the pieces you like, and let that be your truth. A racist lie designed to hurt you in the real world doesn't make good story material.

Michael Daniels - You saying I said something over and over doesnt make it true, especially when you took the time to circle what I really said in red.

Look up incongruously when you get a chance. You're right, you're talking out of both sides of your neck.

Kristopher Michael Mosby - Damn, y'all!!!!!

Michael Daniels - Couldn't sleep.   -_-

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Look up incongruously when you get a chance."

Look up "lack of integrity" when YOU get a chance, and work harder to unfuck yourself. Maybe you'll get to be a Reverend again.

Michael Daniels - Typical, you can't win an argument. You cant make me say what I didnt say so you curse at me and attack me personally. Look buddy, it's my integrity that's keeping me from responding in kind. I wont attack you so say whatever mean thing youd like.

Muhammad Rasheed - "Talking out of both sides of your neck" is a demonstration of you winning an argument and NOT attacking?

How does that work?

Michael Daniels - (I'm not a minister right now due to health reasons. Thanks a lot Mo for throwing that in my face.)

Muhammad Rasheed - You're welcome.

Michael Daniels - Its me pointing out that youre saying two different things that contradict each other. Thats an apt description of your argument, not a personal attack.

Muhammad Rasheed - If you only meant that a small percentage of Black women were prostitutes, then why present it in the way you did as a response? Did you believe I didn't think ANY Black women were ever prostitutes in the entire Old West time period or something, and that me finding out it was going on at all would shock me?

Otherwise, what you are trying to convince me you didn't say, doesn't make a lick of sense.

Muhammad Rasheed - And now you are pretending the entire discussion is hinged on this one tiny point, which is also a lack-of-integrity display/logical fallacy.

Michael Daniels - My point was in the context of our discussion the most likely black person you'd see in the shows that I listed was as a cowboy (male) or saloon girl (female). That might have been historically authentic but including them in the background from time to time (which now that I think about it they actually did) would not have added to the quality of the narrative of a single father raising his son in the old west.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "My point was in the context of our discussion..."

The context was that you built it up by saying how much I wouldn't like it if they depicted Blacks how they REALLY were. lol Obviously you were very being very ominous in trying to say that it was negative.

Michael wrote: "...the most likely black person you'd see in the shows that I listed was as a cowboy (male)..."

Which you said they'd always be leading the cows to slaughter, as if I was a vocal member of PETA. I wouldn't like it if Black men were depicted as cowboys, huh? Why, Deac? Why wouldn't I?

Michael wrote: "...or saloon girl (female)."

You led with "prostitutes" but now you're pulling back from that and trying to soften it by only putting out the saloon girl part. Curious. Naturally that would be another point deducted from whatever integrity you may have left.

Michael wrote: "That might have been historically authentic..."

Well, stop, since Alesia's quote from 'Black Women in the Old West' revealed there were about a trillion other things they would more likely have been doing instead.

You can't sleep, but your foolishness is making ME tired.

Michael Daniels - I doubt this will end the argument or illicit an apology from you. You just don't have the gumption to do that. But here you go. This episode even encompasses black people's mistrust of law enforcement.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "but including them in the background from time to time (which now that I think about it they actually did)..."

I doubt it.

Michael wrote: "...would not have added to the quality of the narrative of a single father raising his son in the old west."

Sure it would have, because it would have made the tale authentic. Racists don't appear magically out of thin air, they are actually raised by the previous generation of racists in the usual cycle.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "I doubt this will end the argument..."

The argument could have ended after the first time I said, "Enjoy your westerns, Deac. It's fine."

Michael wrote: "...or illicit an apology from you."

You may apologize for lying that you didn't make the claim that all Old West Black women were whores.

Michael wrote: "You just don't have the gumption to do that."

I said, "I'll bet." I even saw the link to the other episode clip you posted. Two episodes in which jim crow era writers "deal with" race is problematic since the time period was saturated with that topic, it was the birth of white domestic terror in the aftermath of the Civil War. Two half-assed episodes designed not to piss off a racist ass viewing audience out of (how many?) is definitely not enough.

Michael Daniels - Just a little bit, Muhammed?

Muhammad Rasheed - A little bit of what?

Michael Daniels - I had a whole long post and only that part showed up. Dont know why. Dont feel like typing it again.

Muhammad Rasheed - You can't type that stuff in here, you have to do it in Word or Notepad and copy/paste it over.

Muhammad Rasheed - Give me your summary bullets, and I'm sure I'll be able to get the gist of your new stir-fried bullshit you wanted to say. lol

Michael Daniels - It will never be enough. And your grasp of history of the old west is as problematic as your understanding of Christian history. Race relations between blacks and whites were not prominent concerns in the old west. There werr much more pressing issus, such as droughts and relations with native Americans which were featured on these shows quite frequently.

Michael Daniels - Im on my phone...in my bed, still.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "Race relations between blacks and whites were not prominent concerns in the old west."

That's the "Lost Cause" deliberate scrubbing of the record in action that you have taken ownership of. And now we've come back full circle.

Your "research" is shit.

Racism, the breaking and plundering and disenfranchisement of the African-American recently freed slave, the resentments built up over the rights granted to the freedmen, as well as the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people killed in the Civil War to free them, was THE number one hot button of the time period. But you believe the false story the whites invented about it.

And we're done now.

Michael wrote: "...is as problematic as your understanding of Christian history"

Sure, Deac.

Are Mainstream Modern Comics Just Racist Propaganda Tracts?

Dave Cotton - What one thing do you hate most about modern comics?

Muhammad Rasheed - They continue the trend of supporting the White Supremacist Ideology.

Dave Cotton - Explain, personally I don't think that Marvel and several other groups do that. Astro City doesn't do that either.

Brandon Peyton - I dont want to speak for Muhammad, but i agree with him.

Basically they all push the idea (intentionally or not) that white heroes are superior to POC heroes. As you've said dozen of times, they push the Steve's, Tony's, etc... and treat the Rhodey's, Luke's and Miles', like second class citizens. Second best. Replacements. Backups.

That is rooted in the idea that white heroes "sell better" than POC heroes and thus must be centered. That's white supremacy. White supremacy isn't just the N word, lynching, etc...

Muhammad Rasheed - Thanks, Brandon.

@Dave... To build upon Brandon's point, the real world is very much a white-dominated civilization that forces the White Supremacist Ideology down our throats at all levels. They do this to indoctrinate us all into supporting their ham-fisted monopoly of wealth & power. Those of us who are indoctrinated -- and we ALL are to varying levels -- take on the racist nonsense they want us to believe as uncritical faux-truths. Consequently, those fake racist political talking points the dominant white supremacist, Eurocentric society wants us to believe are true in order to support their agenda, are actually true within the rules of the fictional universes they create and own.

So within their white-created fictional universes, it's true that human biological theory represents the so-called 'evolution' of stupid spiritual brown people UP INTO smart material-humanist white people. Look across all of their universes and you will find humans on distant worlds are white people (with maybe a li'l island of Blacks tucked away under a corner somewhere to shut the activists up). As a blatant slap in the face to the facts of history, white-created fictional universes ignore the contributions of the Black-dominated civilizations of the past that the real world Western Civilization built upon to attain its technological marvels, and they certainly ignore the many Black heroes that had major influence in building up the Industrial Revolution and the Information Age. According to what the white creators BELIEVE, the 'truth' within their fiction is that Blacks were just sitting around for aeons waiting for whites to kick start civilization. When they are forced to confront the undeniable evidence of technologically-advanced Black Civilizations of olde, then okay, that's where characters like The Celestials come in, or a newly caucasian-featured Apocalypse shows up. lol

lol Just focusing my thoughts on it like this to describe it is pissing me off. hahaha Basically, the opposing side's argument points -- in every racism debate I've been in since Darren Wilson was found not guilty -- are actual truths inside of white-owned, white-BELIEVED fictional tales. At the beginning of Kingdom Come (Waid & Ross), when Gotham City was introduced, who were the "thugs" that Bruce Wayne's "Bat Sentinels" went after? Do you remember? Whites thought it was sooooooooooooooooo funny.

Muhammad Rasheed - Even when Black creators are hired into that machine, the editorial control makes sure they don't damage the matrix of white supremacist ideology that holds that universe together. Ronald Wimberly wrote a great essay detailing the straight up bullshit that happened when he decided to color a Latina character (who was otherwise undefined) as a Black woman. Ronald's white woman editor, in her role as 'Agent Smith' to keep Ronald from fucking up The Matrix, pushed to make the character a white Latina to fit with racist society indoctrination "norms."

Muhammad Rasheed - In another thread, I noticed you singing the praises of a manga property...

Dave wrote: "This dude here is my most favorite superpowered black man in fiction at the moment. Not Blue Marvel, Not Luke Cage. Calvin Ellis comes close. But the Raikage is my favorite. His no fucks attitude, leadership position and high power scale is what made the difference as most black characters imo tend to feel either neutered or underpowered. Both in attitude and power scale. To those that question the blonde hair I humbly ask you to look up the Melanesians."

With my curiosity piqued I went to look him up. What I found was a line of powerful village leaders who started off Black with dark hair, with one blond/blue-eyed caucasian Raikage apprearing and being "renowned to be the greatest Raikage the village has ever had" (i guess the creator was a YUGE/BIGLY Eminem fan), and then all subsequent Raikage leaders having brown skin but blond hair. lol In addition to this highly-symbolic foolishness & fuckery, I find that "Raikage" means "lightning shadow," which treats melanated people as odd and unusual by default.

Once again we find a fictional universe that treats as truth what the real world racist powers are desperate for the populace to actually believe as true. That's what I hate most about modern comics, is that they pretty much across the board function as little more than propaganda for my traditional enemy. But that's true for all mainstream properties across all media.

Dave Cotton - @M. Rasheed... And as one of the examples of the generation gap that I often referred to, you unfortunately proved it. 1. Naruto is an Asian product. 2. The village is based on Black Lightning and Black Panther references. In my response I mentioned to look up the Melanesians, who are the closest black people to Japan


Now I get it many of us hate the blonde hair due to what it can represent. From Spike in the X-Men animated series, to Aqualad currently we don't like it, but instead of slamming down on it I knew enough to know that the Cloud Village is based on Asian blacks which are the Melanesians. I don't leave certain information there for it to be ignored to make a point. Lastly Lightning Shadow is a Ninja name, names like that have always been common to Ninja names. Why do I like the character 1. He's the leader of an entire kingdom of mostly black people. 2. He's a powerful character compared to most black characters that I come across, even the ones who are created by black people and he isn't a Superman analogue like Icon, Blue Marvel or Calvin Ellis. 4. Lastly they make so many Black Comics references to the village and the way he is treated on the show is with the utmost respect as their village is the only one that is not fraught with corruption like the other places are, to the point where they are the ones who are the leaders during their big War where all the other villages and Nations make his country the leader. Now if Melanesians don't count as black people to you, I don't know what to say. Its not like there aren't any dark haired black people in the village.

Dave Cotton - I reiterate, the closest black people to Japan are these people. They wouldn't make stories about them? Again, please do not ignore the other information I listed to prove your point. Its intellectually dishonest. Naruto is a show about Ninjas, he's a Ninja on the show. Ninjas have names like Lightning Shadow.

Dave Cotton - Blacks from the Solomon Islands, also near Asia



Dave Cotton - I don't know about you but I'd rather my characters have names like Lightning Shadow instead of Black Lightning.

Dave Cotton - Now let me ask you Muhammad Rasheed do you think Japan should not be making stories about the Asians that live closest to them like the Melanesians and Solomon Islands in favor of more African Americans?

Muhammad Rasheed -



Muhammad Rasheed - I'm not pushing back on what you found exciting in the Raikage, Dave. That's not my argument; I understand why people like like what they like. I'm pointing out what aspects support that one thing I hate about modern comics. Fleshing out Branden's answer further. I didn't intend for you to feel like I was attacking you. When I address these points, it's just from my own perspective, not as a tear down against you, please. We're good.

Dave Cotton - I don't consider it to be a tear down. What I consider it to be is ignoring information. We have to listen to each other. I got your point and in the case of a Spike and Aqualad I 100 percent agree with you, but when I saw members of the cloud village especially one in particular I said "Oh, they are Melenasians, that would make sense for a black kingdom in Asia. So I don't consider them part of the white supremacy narrative because it makes sense for the black people of Asia - to look like the black people of Asia.

Muhammad Rasheed - Dave wrote: "1. Naruto is an Asian product."

I know. I don't see how that would exempt them from being supporters of white supremacy though. The Japanese are kind of famous for not giving a crap about using all that old mammie/coon imagery from the slavery/jim crow era, and are pretty insensitive about it. After WW2, they formally apologized to the West for daring to challenge their White Supremacist Imperialism machine, agreed to dismantle their standing army, and became permanent supporters of everything the western powers wanted to do. I don't see how saying that "Naruto is an Asian product" would automatically mean there wouldn't be any offensive racist stuff in it. To me, that would actually be out of character based on the historical record.

Dave wrote: "2. In my response I mentioned to look up the Melanesians..."

I know them. They are notable as one of many Black native peoples found all over the world often hidden among the mainsteam "face" groups. They are the pure remnants of the original migrants out of Africa.

Dave wrote: "Now I get it many of us hate the blonde hair due to what it can represent."

I actually don't hate it at all, but I do hate it when Black folk gush all over it like it's the best stuff EVER. That clear demonstration of self-hatred is hate worthy. I don't dislike whites for no other reason than because they white people. I hate the White Supremacist Ideology, and any and everything it touches.

Dave wrote: "...but instead of slamming down on it I knew enough to know that the Cloud Village is based on Asian blacks which are the Melanesians. I don't leave certain information there for it to be ignored to make a point."

To me the part you wanted me to celebrate was tainted with the insertion of the white-skinned Kaitage who was magically considered the best one of them all, but also had to have marked, with the blond hair, all subsequent Kaitage that followed him. Why in the world would I want to praise something that that? That actually makes me want to throw the whole thing away as exactly the type of foulness I hate.

Dave wrote: "Lastly Lightning Shadow is a Ninja name, names like that have always been common to Ninja names."

I understand. In this case, by attaching it to specifically Black chacaters, it makes it come across like they are trying to shine a spotlight on their Blackness, for the same reason 1970s Jewish TV writers had to add "Black" to ever single character they made. It's also foul-smelling and exploitative.

Dave wrote: "Why do I like the character"

You did an excellent job of explaining that the first time; it's why I went to look him up.

Dave wrote: "Lastly they make so many Black Comics references to the village..."

When those same references are problematic in their own right, that doesn't inherently make doing so a good thing. Mainstream Black characters written by whites don't make me beam with pride. Should they? I'm not one to stand around begging for begrudgingly tossed off scraps from off of someone else's table.

Dave wrote: "...and the way he is treated on the show is with the utmost respect [...] Nations make his country the leader."

That's cool.

Dave wrote: "Now if Melanesians don't count as black people to you, I don't know what to say."

That's a strawman effigy fallacy, since it was never my point. The problem I saw was there was this line of powerful Black leaders whose most awesome and most renowned of the all happened to be the white one. lol If you don't understand why that would be an infuriating taint to me, I'm the one who doesn't know what to say. I understand that you are a big, BIG fan of the property, and are necessarily protective on it.

Muhammad Rasheed - Dave wrote: "I don't know about you but I'd rather my characters have names like Lightning Shadow instead of Black Lightning."

lol Well, in this particular context, they function exactly the same. A "darkness" reference reserved specifically for the Blacks. Are there any other ninja clans in that universe who don't have "shadow" in their names?

Muhammad Rasheed - Dave wrote: "What I consider it to be is ignoring information."

It wasn't ignored, Dave. The part you were celebrating was indeed the part that piqued my curiosity and made me research them. That part was acknowledged.

Dave wrote: "...but when I saw members of the cloud village especially one in particular I said 'Oh, they are Melenasians, that would make sense for a black kingdom in Asia.'"

And I agree. That specific aspect does make sense, but they ruined it by making that trait come from, not only a white figure that popped up in an otherwise Black line, but by making that white character the best of them all. lol That was the point where I took my curiosity back.

Dave wrote: "So I don't consider them part of the white supremacy narrative because it makes sense for the black people of Asia - to look like the black people of Asia." 

Does it make sense that the best of them was one white guy that showed up, or that their blond hair came from that same white dude? Because that's what the writers did.

Dave Cotton - All the best ninja in the village are black, all of them. Those other characters are from different villages. Now as far as them not being the best of the show I can agree and that is why we have to be the best on ours.

Muhammad Rasheed - I'm talking about among the Kaikage themselves. In their line of tribal leaders, one of them was mysteriously a white guy, who is celebrated in the narrative history as the best Kaikage of all. He's the one that intro'd the blond hair into the line of Kaikage.

You don't see how I would find that problematic and irritating from a pro-Black point of view?

Dave Cotton - Not if you know the history behind it. Black people in Asia look like that. But we can agree to disagree.

Muhammad Rasheed - I've already acknowledged that I was already familiar with the Melanesians. That's not the point of contention. My problem is that:

1.) The best of of them all was the white guy
2.) The blond hair in that tribe came from that white guy

That's not where those people's blond hair comes from, and that's not how recessive genes work either. So the writers doing this not only doesn't make sense in basic science, but they bend over backwards in order to create story points that serve zero purpose other than to support the white supremacist ideology. Stuff like that stands out to me.

Dave Cotton - I also don't expect non black people to make something pro black. For what they are I think they did a hellova job. The pro black in me was happy to see Melanesians

Muhammad Rasheed - Those are their own people, and they shitted on them to support a foreigner's ideology. A foreigner that hates their guts.

Dave Cotton - As I said, I don't expect non blacks to make something pro black, just like I don't expect you to make something pro white. I will give credit where credit is due.

Muhammad Rasheed - The Melanesians are the Japanese's own people and are their own genetic ancestors. They are certainly closer to them than the Europeans are, so why taint the Melanesian history with that befouled pro-white stuff?

Dave Cotton - That's a genre issue. Fact is that despite it all the character has a great place to me in the world for the fact that they are non black.The world respects them even though they don't look like anyone else. They make lots of references to black comic characters and black culture, including our music. For a non black work I was impressed. Now as far something pro black that's my job to create. Not theirs.

Dave Cotton - To expect something pro black from them is like expecting something pro white from a black creator. Personally I can't think of a white superhero character made by a black creator, or even asian one that is treated with the same respect.

Dave Cotton - For me, they made a cool black character even though they aren't black. Name one cool non black character made by black creators.

Dave Cotton - A well loved non black character. Black people cosplay as Naruto's black characters. For me that's pretty damn cool

Dave Cotton - Here is a sister from the same village

Dave Cotton - Here is her daughter

Muhammad Rasheed - I agree that it's cool to have a property achieve that level of super success. It's not so cool when said property contains elements that support the highly toxic White Supremacist Ideology though.

Muhammad Rasheed - The LAST thing the populace needs is more of that indoctrination...

Dave Cotton - *nods*

Dave Cotton - That's what we are for right?

Muhammad Rasheed - Hopefully.

Muhammad Rasheed - Seems like the vast majority of Black creators are too busy caping for the mainstream stuff and desperately hoping to break in there. They're more mesmerized by all that than they are filling the pro-Black void unfortunately. But I have hope that it can change.

Kirb Drops the Gauntlet of Challenge! (again)

Kirb Brimstone - In a response to the question "Who created Christianity according to Islam?" M. Rasheed wrote: "I would say it was Constantine, who used the Council of Nicea to determine which of the many, many, many competing doctrines, and which of the many writings, would become canon under the Western Christian banner, and receive governmental legitimacy."

Kirb Brimstone (that's me) responded:

Wow. Constantine? That is not remotely historical. You know we have pre-Constantine Christian literature (the Gospels, other New Testament writings, and the writings of the church fathers) all of which proclaim deity of Christ and resurrection. The only thing that the Council of Nicea did force Christians to make an official Creed of what they already believed. Anyone who thinks the council of Nicea had many competing doctrines just doesn't know what they are talking about. The Arian heresy and the traditional Christian doctrine were the only ones in dispute.

Constantine supported the Arian heresy and it lost in a vote of 2 to 298. lol

But okay, let's ignore all of that because it doesn't answer my question. I didn't ask who M. Rasheed thought founded Christianity, I asked who founded Christianity according to Islam?

The answer is Allah.

Surely you know this.

After all it was Allah who deceived people into believing that he was crucified.

Quran 4:157- 158
"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: -

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise; -"

So where did we get the idea that Jesus died by crucifixion? Not from the apostle Paul and not the Council of Nicea. We got it from Allah according to the Quran.

After all Allah is the best of all deceivers (according to Quran 3:54; 7:99; 8:30). So good was Allah at deception, that generations of Christians believed that Jesus died on the Cross.

Remember Christianity is fundamentally based on Jesus’ death and resurrection. Sad, that Jesus came and failed as a Messiah. I mean what did Jesus really do? Allah saved him from crucifixion and then told no one thus founding a false religion.

Not only did Allah trick the Jews into believing that Jesus was crucified he seemed to promote Jesus’ followers who were led astray.

Quran 61:14
"O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed."

According to this Surah, Allah allowed the Christians to prevail over the Jews. Who is the Quran talking about? Not the Muslim followers of Christ. We have no record of Muslim followers of Christ. So, they died out quickly if they existed at all.

So, when did Christians prevail? I must agree with Yusuf Ali who attributed it to the Roman Christians:

Yusuf Ali's commentary, footnote 5448 says:

"A portion of the Children of Israel - the ones that really cared for Truth - believed in Jesus and followed his guidance. But the greater portion of them were hard hearted, and remained in their beaten track of formalism and false racial pride. The majority SEEMED at first to have the upper hand when they thought they had crucified Jesus and killed his Message. But they were soon brought to their senses. Jerusalem was destroyed by Titus in A.D. 70 and the Jews have been scattered ever since. "The Wandering Jew" has become a bye-word in many literatures. On the other hand, those who followed Jesus permeated the Roman Empire, brought many new races withing their circle, and through the Roman Empire, Christianity became the predominant religion of the world until the advent of Islam...."

It gets stranger in Quran 3:55

"Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

So not only did Allah create Christianity and help them prevail he promised to make those who followed Jesus superior until the day of resurrection.

*looks outside window*

Nope. The day of Resurrection has yet to come. So, Allah either lied or wasn’t powerful enough to keep his word.

Speaking of not powerful enough and not keeping ones word… Can God’s word be corrupted? According to the Quran it can’t be corrupted.

Quran 6:114-115
"Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.

The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all."

and Quran 18:-27

"And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him."

Yep, incorruptible. So then is the Torah and the Gospels the word of God?

Quran 3:3-4
"It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

Yep. Torah and the Gospel is the word of Allah. Which leads me to wonder something else if Allah failed and his words was corrupted then why did he send Christians to a corrupted book?"

and Quran 7:157

"Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."

Now how could Christians find Muhammad in their corrupted Gospel centuries after the Council of Nicea? In fact, Christians and Jews are supposed to judge by this same corrupted revelation that Allah couldn’t stop from being tainted.

Quran 5:47
"Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

Why is Allah sending us to our corrupted Gospels? If we judge by the Gospels we have, then we would be forced to concluded that the Quran is false. Allah even wanted them to stand upon these corruptions:"

Quran 5:68
"O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.:

Why would Allah ask Christians to stand upon a corrupted book? Wouldn’t Allah say get rid of them instead of pointing us to them?

If any of this is causing some doubts I recommend being a good Muslim and following Mohammed’s example in Surah 10:94:

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

I’ll be happy to help  ----

Now Mr. M. Rasheed has easily defeated the arguments presented here in the past. So I wanted to create a separate post just so everyone can see his solid response and watch me run away in defeat.

Muhammad Rasheed - A quick question for you to start.

1.) Why do you assume your interpretation of the Qur'anic verses you have selected... filtered through your Christian lens... is the correct one that supports your doctrinal views, when the central thesis of the Qur'an itself denies your faith's central beliefs regarding a crucified-turned-divine Jesus Christ?

Muhammad Rasheed - 2.) Kirb wrote: "Who created Christianity according to Islam? The answer is Allah."

The belief system you call "Christianity" -- with it's worship of the final Hebrew messenger, concept of Original Sin, rejection of righteous deeds to save the soul, etc. -- was not created by the One God. The Christ Jesus (peace be upon him) never know any of these concepts, as they were invented after his mission was complete. The religion of God was what was actually practiced by Jesus himself to demonstrate to the believers how to worship the One God. This is the religion that Allah created, and it never bore the name "Christianity" for the brief time period it was actually practiced on earth before the 'divine Jesus' usurpation happened. There is no god but Allah, the One God of Abraham, and He is not the Author of falsehood.

Muhammad Rasheed - 3.) Kirb wrote: "...we have pre-Constantine Christian literature (the Gospels, other New Testament writings, and the writings of the church fathers) all of which proclaim deity of Christ and resurrection"

This is hardly a full listing you've offered. You just listed the works that make up the current NT with amendments pretty much. The Apocryphal writings conflict with your preferred version of Christianity, which is why they are apocryphal. You mentioned Arianism, but there were other schools of doctrine as well. Cherry-picked bits and pieces of chunks of them eventually came to form the Christianity you know today. The Gnostics were a famous early Christian group with conflicting beliefs about who Jesus was and how he functioned exactly. The followers of James the Just were a major presence at the time, with James of course being the leader of the First Church of Jerusalem. That group definitely did NOT believe in a divine Jesus, and in fact followed a pure monotheistic belief system little different than Islam. The purpose of the Nicene Council was to definitely distinguish between all the so-called Christian doctrines, and definitively determine who Jesus really was. James' religion was obviously left on the cutting room floor.

Interestingly, the Christian scholar Oscar Cullmann pointed out that the Aramaic descriptor "mari" that Jesus was addressed by during his earthly lifetime, wasn't different than "rabbi," but it was the translation of 'mari' into 'kyrios' that caused the original confusion. In Greek, 'kyrios' means more than 'lord' and people quickly made the 'Jesus is divine!' leap once they had that rolling off their tongues. The Christian scholar Aloys Grillmeier pointed out that it was Paul who innovated the concept of actually worshiping Jesus as 'Lord,' as well as the concept of a pre-existing Christ, both of which heralded the so-called "Apostolic Age" in Christian literature scholarship

Muhammad Rasheed - 4.) Kirb wrote: "So where did we get the idea that Jesus died by crucifixion? We got it from Allah according to the Quran."
No, you got it from the enemies of Allah and His messenger, who boasted that they killed Jesus because they tried to kill Jesus. lol God saved the messenger, and made it appear as if they succeeded so they would not continue to pursue Jesus and his family. The religion was built up around the doubts and conjectures of a people who only thought they knew the truth of the matter, but in fact knew nothing. Today you can even find the doctrinal descendants of those same people rejecting the truth as revealed by Jesus' God in favor of those same long ago crafted conjectures.
Muhammad Rasheed - 5.) Kirb wrote: "After all Allah is the best of all deceivers (according to Quran 3:54; 7:99; 8:30). So good was Allah at deception..."
Why do you all insist upon translating 'mukhat' as 'deceive' when it means 'plan'? Do you think it aids in building your credibility in accurately translating the Qur'an?

Muhammad Rasheed - 6.) Kirb wrote: "Sad, that Jesus came and failed as a Messiah. I mean what did Jesus really do?"
Allah said the Christ didn't fail at all. In fact, He said they all were successful in performing that which they were anointed to perform, i. e., preach the Word of God and instruct the people in scripture and wisdom. Pointedly, Allah said it was not their job to make the people believe, but only to preach the Word clear & true. Allah confirmed that they did so, and thus earned their Reward. This includes the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, who was also successful in doing what his Lord commanded of him.
Muhammad Rasheed - 7.) Kirb wrote: "According to this Surah, Allah allowed the Christians to prevail over the Jews. Who is the Quran talking about? Not the Muslim followers of Christ. We have no record of Muslim followers of Christ. So, they died out quickly if they existed at all."
lol James the Just, the hand-picked heir of the Christ's message (who was actually more famous than his anointed big brother during the time period), was the leader of the First Church of Jerusalem, whose group was a major force to contend with. He and his followers were definitely Muslim, as they practiced the uncompromising monotheistic religion taught to them by the Christ himself.
Muhammad Rasheed - 8.) Kirb wrote: "...he promised to make those who followed Jesus superior until the day of resurrection."
Those who dedicate themselves to belief in the One God who made them are inherently superior to those who do not. Should they die in that believing state, they will thus remain in that superior position over the enemies of truth till the Resurrection. The battle is a spiritual one, not material. Do not be fooled by the shallow ebb & flow of earthly rises to power. They are inconsequential as the war will indeed be won by the One God. Glory be to He!
Muhammad Rasheed - 9.) Kirb posted: Quran 6:114-115'Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.'"
The argument here isn't towards the People of the Book, but to the pagan Arabs. "The Book, explained in detail" God is referring to is the Qur'an. God is the very Author of truth & justice; and when truth & justice are so achieved in any circumstance, God's Word is manifest. 
In every previous generation that molested their scripture, God always anointed a messenger to realign the people back to the purity of His newly-revealed Word to set things aright. Even in the case of the People of the Book and the Torah and Gospel, despite their efforts to change their charges to benefit their own vanities and lusts... BEHOLD! God anointed a new messenger, and revealed a new scripture to right the wrongs they unjustly attempted! Note that the Qur'an specifically addresses those specific corruption attempts, because He did indeed hear and know their schemes as they formed. As I mentioned above, the Qur'an bluntly addresses those items very early in its pages to let the schemers know that God was not fooled.
Muhammad Rasheed - 10.) Kirb posted: "and Quran 18:-27'And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him.'"
Here God is talking directly to the prophet, so the "none can change His Words" part is referring to no one can change them on the revelation route from God, through the angel, to Muhammad (pbuh).
Muhammad Rasheed - 11.) Kirb wrote: "Yep, incorruptible. So then is the Torah and the Gospels the word of God?"
The current form of the Torah is what is left of the original Law of Moses, now the watered down memories of the ancient revealed scripture. The four Gospels of the NT are not the revelation of God even if I were to pretend they were actually the writings of the men whose names they bear. The actual Gospel -- the revealed message spoken by Jesus to the children of Israel was never collected in written form, and is conspicuously absent from the NT writings collection. Those writings were derived from things Jesus said, several times filtered through many people until they got to this form. Jesus' message was carried over by James' camp, until it faded away to be resurrected anew in the Qur'an.
Muhammad Rasheed - 12.) Kirb posted: Quran 3:3-4"It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)."
God sent down the Torah to Moses and the Injil to Jesus. These were the pure and unfiltered Word of God, that were no different than how the Qur'an reads, from God's Voice. The work we call "Torah" today doesn't sound like that, but was obviously written later by people talking ABOUT Moses' adventures. It is clearly not the original scripture given to Moses but tales told about that event by later scribes. And again, the Gospel of Jesus is a lost Book, with only the fumes of its memory present in the NT's writings collection.
Muhammad Rasheed - 13.) Kirb wrote: "Yep. Torah and the Gospel is the word of Allah."
There is no evidence supporting this statement.
Kirb wrote: "Which leads me to wonder something else if Allah failed and his words was corrupted then why did he send Christians to a corrupted book?"
With the Qur'an among us... having confirmed, fulfilled and realigned the previous scripture back to the Path... obviously Allah did NOT fail in keeping His Word safe. That's what the cycle of new messengers and new revelation was all about, the phoenix-like rebirth of the ever-enduring Word of Allah. But now the cycle is complete, and the canon of sacred scripture is secure for the ages.
Muhammad Rasheed - 14.) Kirb posted: "and Quran 7:157"Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."
This is actually the second part of a quote from God, in which He is paraphrasing something He told Moses long ago on Mt Sinai. Here He's actually telling Moses about the future coming of the Arab unlettered prophet.
Muhammad Rasheed - 15.) Kirb wrote: "Now how could Christians find Muhammad in their corrupted Gospel centuries after the Council of Nicea?"
Because before the rise of Islam, the envious among the People of the Book had no reason to fear the concept of a new prophet being prophesied, because each of them assumed such a figure would belong to their own camp -- the Jews assumed "that prophet" would be a Jew, and the Christians assumed he would be a Christian. It wasn't until the rise of Al-Islam, and centuries of our epic debates, did the theologians guarding the previous scriptures decide to downplay and eventually remove altogether the doctrine of a newly-arriving prophet.
Kirb wrote: "In fact, Christians and Jews are supposed to judge by this same corrupted revelation that Allah couldn’t stop from being tainted."
The revelation of the Qur'an was the definitive act of God removing the taint that you all allowed. Did He not say that He freed the Christ of the blasphemies you said about the messenger and his mom? God cleared their name of your taint with newly-revealed scripture sent down for the task.
Muhammad Rasheed - 16.) Kirb posted: Quran 5:47"Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel."
Kirb wrote: "Why is Allah sending us to our corrupted Gospels?"
He's actually not. That verse is part of a sequence in which God says that He revealed scripture to each camp's prophet -- to Moses, to Jesus, and to Muhammad -- and as He sent scripture down said to each the poetic quote "Let the people of the [Law/Gospel/Qur'an] judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." When He finished with the Qur'an's part, he added that Muhammad had the authority to judge between both the Jews and the Christians, implying that this last scripture abrogated what the People of the Book held.
Kirb wrote: "If we judge by the Gospels we have, then we would be forced to concluded that the Quran is false."
Then you should let them go as they clearly have you courting hellfire. Bow down to the One God with unflinching monotheism as a Muslim and be saved.
Kirb wrote: "Allah even wanted them to stand upon these corruptions:"
No, He was speaking to the peoples of the distant past who had just received their fresh scripture as the messengers still walked among them. This sequence was a poetic retelling of past events in a creative and specialized form.
Muhammad Rasheed - 17.) Kirb posted: Quran 5:68"O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith."
Kirb wrote: "Why would Allah ask Christians to stand upon a corrupted book? Wouldn’t Allah say get rid of them instead of pointing us to them?"
You're missing the relevance of the "and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord" part. He's telling you to accept ALL the revelation as truth, which is the Muslim's position "BELIEF IN THE BOOKS." That means by default that the Qur'an confirms, fulfills and abrogates the previous scriptures as it corrects those areas they were allowed to stray. In other words, God is telling the People of the Book to become Muslim.
Muhammad Rasheed - 18.) Kirb wrote: "If any of this is causing some doubts..."
Not even remotely.
Kirb wrote: "...I recommend being a good Muslim and following Mohammed’s example in Surah 10:94: 'If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.'"
In the verses before this, God recaps what happened during the Exodus adventures, so that's why He's telling the prophet to confirm with the doctors of the Law if he has doubts that this was really coming from God and not an over-active imagination.

Michael Daniels - M. Rasheed wrote: "This is hardly a full listing you've offered." 

Let's put things in historical context here. Jesus lived in the first century. The Council of Nicea took place in 325. By that time Biblical canon had already been established and the understanding of the nature of Christ and other essential doctrines were widespread among people then known as Christians. The things decided at the Council were by overwhelming majorities from as diverse a group as was available.

Michael Daniels - So roughly 300 years later the Qur'an is recited. There is no mention of James or any apocraphal writings. If there were other writings that explained better what Christianity should be why not reference them. The Qur'an doesnt even reference James own canonical writing, but it does laud the Gospels which firmly establish Christian doctrine, as does James the just btw.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael wrote: "The Council of Nicea took place in 325. By that time Biblical canon had already been established..."

Meanwhile, the literal purpose of the Nicene Council was to determine what was to be canon in Western Christian literature.

Michael Daniels - This is absolutely, uneqivocably false. Look up the wiki under. "Common Misconceptions". I can't do links from my phone.

Michael Daniels - M. Rasheed wrote: "Why do you assume your interpretation of the Qur'anic verses you have selected..."

You seem to be saying here the Qur'an contradicts itself. Why wouldn't the cited scriptures agree with the central theme? You've provided no alternate interpretation in which they do.

Muhammad Rasheed - Oh. Because the verses he pulled are referring to concepts and events other than Kirb's doctrinal biases want them to mean. Early in the second Surah, Allah says point blank that the Hebrew messenger was not divine, he didn't get crucified, and he only preached the same message as all the other prophets, which includes Muhammad (peace be upon them all). This is all part of the Qur'an's central message that the entire religion of Islam is built around. So why would anyone assume that carefully cherry-picked quotes meant the opposite of what they definitively mean in context of the big picture message they were packaged in?

This sloppy paradox appears to be the foundational structure of Kirb's entire argument here, that he oddly has such confidence in.

Michael Daniels - Because they say what they say. And you've now given four more posts and failed to provide a context for these scriptures that fit them into the "central theme".

Muhammad Rasheed - The verses do "say what they say," but to decode them using a doctrinal lens that's fundamentally opposed to their contextual message, while stepping over and ignoring the verses that do provide that context, is intellectually dishonest, or just plain deliberately manipulative. In this case, with both you and Kirb, I don't believe it's a case of the latter, but that of a strong myopic viewpoint from two people trained in a myopic view since your youth. For you, the pauline doctrine interpretation makes perfect sense because you don't know anything else within a religious context. That's what it looks like when your "research" never ever strays outside of the narrow walls of your dedicated myopic point of view. That's why you two always respond the way you do when I reference the numerous Christian scholars whose work steps outside of the pauline doctrine literature to show where that body of work fits in to a bigger picture, which always shows Paul in a very different, oft unflattering light than you were trained to see him in. To my continuous amusement, those same Christian scholars never denounce their belief in Paul (which is why I take the time to point out that they are indeed "Christian scholars"), but are always able to weirdly compartmentalize the doctrine they were trained in, versus the stark truth of their consistent findings within the historic record. On cue, you and Kirb always treat them like heretics, because the facts support what the Qur'an says.

In other words, Kirb doesn't have a leg to stand on in this thread. It looks like he's flopping around like a beached fish to me, genuinely confused that I don't accept his interpretation of his carefully compiled Qur'anic verses at face value. I expect him to remain confused, as his audience is the people who think exactly the way he thinks, who will only hi-five him and reinforce the fallacies they all accept as truth.

Michael Daniels - And still another post where you fail to explain the Quranic verses Kirb cited. In fact you seem to be saying if they don't agree with the central theme they should be ignored. That's not proper from a legitimate holy book. It should be cohesive.

Muhammad Rasheed - The cohesiveness with the Qur'an's actual message is exactly what I'm arguing. You and Kirb seem to believe isolated verses can magically support the pauline doctrine's 'divine jesus' concept that the Qur'an point blank condemns just because you want them to, and you call that "cohesiveness" to the message. Naturally I have to reject that as a blatant slap in the face to both logic AND reason.

Michael Daniels - What you seem to be rejecting is explaining those scriptures. That's okay. I wont ask you to anymore. If you dont feel comfortable or up to it I won't force the issue. Just know that it reads as contradictory.

Muhammad Rasheed - I would imagine that it would only seem as if my posts were contradictory if the reader insisted that those verses could only possibly be interpreted through a pro-pauline doctrine lens, while refusing to ever even try to interpret the Qur'an through the main precepts that it builds the religion of Al-Islam from.

Otherwise l can't see how my posts would be considered contradictory from a more objective standpoint.

Michael Daniels - I'm sorry. Maybe yhe fault is mine in communicating. If you gave me a scripture from the Bible that seemed to be contradictory (and there are some that seem so) I would break that scripture down and explain the the specific context as to why it was not contradictory but in fact complimentary to the Biblical premise. I can do this because all Biblical scriptures are God breathed and designed for just such purposes. Are you not able to do this with the Qu'ran?

Muhammad Rasheed - Sure. This is all material that the three of us have covered numerous times in the past. There's nothing new here. The wall we always run into is that -- despite what the Qur'an says about Jesus from the Islamic standpoint -- you both still emphatically insist that when Allah references the Gospel, He must be referring to the NT as you hold it today, as opposed to the revealed scripture spoken by the Christ specifically, which is conspicuously no longer on earth. This is the source of the 'contradictory' illusion from your POV. Finding the message of God in your scripture with the help of the People of the Book requires a learned scholar with a big picture scope of the caliber of learned figure typically rejected by the Deacon and Kirb Brimstone level of Christian believer. Your type of Christian generally fails to retain the info when I take the time to explain what the Qur'anic verses that you use in your "ministering to our lost Moslem brethren" tool kit actually mean, and in fact you even dismiss my explanations as either apologetic, dishonest, "MRasheed-isms" and just otherwise not as accurate as your pauline-slanted interpretations.

So yes, I am able to do so, and have done so and I will do so again shortly (see above), no doubt to receive the same responses as before. The one consistent thing I notice when arguing with you two is you never hear me. Our discussions are a lot like living in that Groundhog Day movie with Bill Murray. lol

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