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Drew Houston — The Billionaire Founder of Dropbox (#334)

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“Write an interesting story, not a perfect story.” — Drew Houston

Drew Houston (@DrewHouston) is co-founder and CEO of Dropbox. Since founding the company in 2007 with Arash Ferdowsi, Drew has led the company’s growth from a simple idea to a service used by 500 million people around the world.

Drew received his bachelor’s degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from MIT in 2006. After graduating, he turned his frustration with carrying USB drives and emailing files to himself into a demo for what became Dropbox. Today Dropbox is one of the world’s leading business collaboration platforms, with 11 million paying subscribers and 1,800 employees across 12 global offices.

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#334: Drew Houston — The Billionaire Founder of Dropbox
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Drew Houston:

Dropbox | Twitter

MIT
Accolade Prep
Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ by Daniel Goleman
Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In by Roger Fisher and William L. Ury
The Innovator’s Dilemma: When New Technologies Cause Great Firms to Fail by Clayton Christensen
Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling Disruptive Products to Mainstream Customers by Geoffrey A. Moore
Getting Past No: Negotiating in Difficult Situations by William Ury
High Output Management by Andrew S. Grove
The Effective Executive: The Definitive Guide to Getting the Right Things Done by Peter F. Drucker
The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business When There Are No Easy Answers by Ben Horowitz
Poor Charlie’s Almanack: The Wit and Wisdom of Charles T. Munger by Charlie Munger
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values by Robert M. Pirsig
Principles: Life and Work by Ray Dalio
Andreessen Horowitz — Software Is Eating the World
Warren Buffett and Bill Gates’s Top Secret to Success by Carol Roth, Entrepreneur
Brain Pickings
The Eisenhower Matrix
Why Every Company Should Have A No Meeting Day by Kevin Kruse, HuffPost
Maker’s Schedule, Manager’s Schedule by Paul Graham
Y Combinator
Stopping Spam by Paul Graham
Summer Founders Program
Hacker News
Guerrilla Marketing: Easy and Inexpensive Strategies for Making Big Profits from Your Small Business by Jay Conrad Levinson and Jeannie Levinson
Dropbox Started with a Couple of Checks Written for $15,000 — Today It’s Worth $12 Billion by Chloe Aiello, CNBC
Zipcar
MIT Entrepreneurs Club
Twitch
Dropbox’s Summer 2007 Y Combinator Application
Leadership Coaching: The 360 Degree Review Process by Bea Fields, Fast Company
The Nine Enneagram Type Descriptions, The Enneagram Institute
Myers-Briggs Basics, The Myers & Briggs Foundation
Meet the Man Who Sold a Month-Old App to Dropbox for $100M by Ryan Tate, Wires
Tribe of Mentors: Short Life Advice from the Best in the World by Timothy Ferriss
Drew Houston’s 2013 MIT Commencement Address, MIT News

SHOW NOTES

What’s Drew’s Dr. Evil story? How did the boy become the man? [05:10]
And the mathlete voted most likely to start a company award goes to… [08:32]
World domination begins from a folding chair on the roof. [09:54]
How this engineer approached learning about the business world. [12:00]
Books instrumental in teaching Drew (and me) about the nuts and bolts of business. [17:23]
The books Drew would assign as required reading if he were teaching a class on starting a business from an engineering background. [20:39]
What does OPP mean for Drew, and what concept would Bill Gates and Warren Buffet agree is the best way to overcome this? [31:51]
Drew’s best practices for cutting through email and managing time like Peter Drucker and Dwight D. Eisenhower. [36:36]
How adopting No Meetings Wednesday proved transformative for Drew and his crew. [44:12]
Peter Drucker’s mason jar analogy for time management and Paul Graham’s separation of schedules for makers and managers. [47:06]
What steered Drew away from SAT prep and online poker as business models, and what fateful event sparked the idea that became Dropbox? [49:12]
Who is Paul Graham, and how did Drew first manage to catch his attention? [57:28]
How did Drew’s first meeting with Paul go? [1:04:47]
What was Drew’s self-talk on the humbling plane ride home? [1:07:41]
How did Drew manage to get his prerequisite co-founder in time to get a do-over interview with Paul? [1:08:33]
Now that Dropbox is one of Y Combinator’s most successful investment to date, does Drew ever remind Paul of their first meeting? [1:11:05]
What might have been Dropbox’s original name if it hadn’t already been taken, and the weird negotiations it took to secure dropbox.com as a domain. [1:12:24]
How Drew addressed legitimate concerns from early naysayers without letting the more negative feedback crush his soul. [1:26:02]
Why it’s important to constantly revise mental models of how the world works. [1:28:43]
Coping with self-doubt over meeting the expectations of investors who had more faith in how the business would scale up than he did. [1:31:35]
Why taking care of your body is ultimately more important than working 80-hour weeks. [1:35:53]
What Drew has learned from coaching — particularly the painful but rewarding 360 degree review process. [1:38:46]
Why Drew considers the Enneagram to be more useful than the Myers-Briggs personality typing system. [1:42:18]
Given the chance, why would Drew send his younger self a cheat sheet with a tennis ball, a circle, and the number 30,000? [1:44:28]
Parting thoughts. [1:49:46]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

Daniel Goleman
Clay Christensen
Andy Grove
Peter Drucker
Ben Horowitz
Charlie Munger
Warren Buffett
Robert Pirsig
Ray Dalio
Bill Gates
Maria Popova
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Paul Graham
Adam Smith
Jay Conrad Levinson
Jeannie Levinson
Arash Ferdowsi
Jessica Livingston
Kyle Vogt
Alexis Ohanian
Gentry Underwood
Jim Rohn

Random Show — Fasting, Biohacking, and Tony Robbins (#333)

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Serial entrepreneur, world-class investor, eagle scout, and all around wild and crazy guy Kevin Rose (@KevinRose), rejoins me for another episode of The Random Show. We discuss Kevin’s new diet obsession that may just save his life for many decades to come, fatherhood, minimalism, lifetime learning, ways to dial back alcohol consumption, lessons learned from Tony Robbins, most recommended books, and much more.

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#333: Random Show — Fasting, Biohacking, and Tony Robbins
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Kevin Rose:

The Journal | The Kevin Rose Show | Oak Meditation | Instagram | Twitter

Past episodes of The Random Show
What’s the Meaning of the Phrase Helter-Skelter?
Digg
True Ventures
Nestle Targets High-End Coffee by Taking Majority Stake in Blue Bottle by Michael J. de la Merced and Oliver Strand, The New York Times
Scientifically Designed Fasting Diet Lowers Risks for Major Diseases by Emily Gersema, USC News
SS Jeremiah O’Brien
What Is Platelet-Rich Plasma (PRP)? by Rachel Nall, Healthline
This Tech Icon Fasts for 16 Hours a Day — and Just Launched an App to Help Others Do the Same by Melia Robinson, Business Insider
Oura Ring — Heart Rate Variability and Sleep Tracking by Kevin Rose, The Journal
How to Live to 100, Dr. Valter Longo, The Kevin Rose Show
The Longevity Diet: Discover the New Science Behind Stem Cell Activation and Regeneration to Slow Aging, Fight Disease, and Optimize Weight by Valter Longo
ProLon
What You Should Know About L-Theanine by Foram Mehta, Healthline
Precision Xtra
The Official Home for The Legend of Zelda
Marie Kondo — The Japanese Tidying Master, The Tim Ferriss Show
The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo
Yunnan: 9 Things to Do in China’s Wild, Diverse Province by Chieu Luu, CNN
Searching PubMed for Articles on N-Acetyl Cysteine and Depression
Rhabdo: A Rare but Serious Complication Of…Exercise by Marcelo Campos, MD, Harvard Health Publishing
Low-Dose Lithium Orotate
Should We All Take a Bit of Lithium? by Anna Fels, The New York Times
The 4-Hour Body: An Uncommon Guide to Rapid Fat-Loss, Incredible Sex, and Becoming Superhuman by Timothy Ferriss
Discipline Equals Freedom — Jocko Willink, The Tim Ferriss Show
What Are the Links between Alcohol and Dementia?, American Addiction Centers
The Return of Drunk Dialing Q&A: How to Ask Better Questions, Take Better Risks, and More!, The Tim Ferriss Show
Is Tylenol ‘By Far the Most Dangerous Drug Ever Made?’ by Josh Bloom, American Council on Science and Health
Sir Richard Branson — The Billionaire Maverick of the Virgin Empire, The Tim Ferriss Show
Learning How to Learn: Powerful Mental Tools to Help You Master Tough Subjects by Dr. Barbara Oakley and Dr. Terrence Sejnowski, Coursera
The Pomodoro Technique: The Acclaimed Time-Management System That Has Transformed How We Work by Francesco Cirillo
Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain by John J. Ratey and Eric Hagerman
Exercise Promotes the Expression of Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factor (BDNF) Through the Action of the Ketone Body Beta-hydroxybutyrate by Sama F. Sleiman et al., eLife
Body by Science: A Research Based Program to Get the Results You Want in 12 Minutes a Week by John R. Little and Doug McGuff
Unleash the Power Within
Date with Destiny
I am Not Your Guru
Brian Koppelman, Co-writer/Producer of Rounders, The Illusionist, Ocean’s Thirteen, The Tim Ferriss Show
Tools of Titans: The Tactics, Routines, and Habits of Billionaires, Icons, and World-Class Performers by Timothy Ferriss
The 4-Hour Workweek Author Says a 3-step Process He Learned from Tony Robbins Drastically Improved His Life by Richard Feloni, Business Insider
Salesforce
Unlimited Power: The New Science Of Personal Achievement by Tony Robbins
Anthony Robbins Personal Power II: The Driving Force, 12 Albums (Complete Program on 24 Audio Cassettes) by Tony Robbins
CreativeLive
Joe Rogan #legitasfuck
Bad Science: Quacks, Hacks, and Big Pharma Flacks by Ben Goldacre
Tribe of Mentors — Recommended Books from Mentors and Top Books from Tools of Titans
Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
Poor Charlie’s Almanack by Charlie Munger
Seeking Wisdom: From Darwin to Munger by Peter Bevelin
Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

SHOW NOTES

Let the games begin. [04:08]
Who is this Kevin Rose fellow, anyway? [05:30]
A shared investment for which Kevin and I were ridiculed by the Internet. [06:16]
Kevin’s most recent obsession: the five-day FMD (fasting mimicking diet). [06:48]
How do Valter Longo’s and Peter Attia’s FMDs differ? [15:18]
With a prevalence of heart disease running through Kevin’s family history, how long does Dr. Attia give him to live? [16:21]
Crack is whack and meth is death, but L-theanine is… [18:28]
Does Kevin prefer Dr. Longo’s or Dr. Attia’s FMD? [19:17]
How do Kevin and I measure our ketone levels? [20:30]
What have been the biggest changes Kevin has felt or observed in himself or otherwise since we did the last Random Show? [21:49]
Why did Kevin and his wife Darya name their first-born child Zelda, and how has becoming a father changed Kevin’s perspective on life? [22:32]
What has Kevin done in the pursuit of leading more of a minimalist lifestyle? [24:23]
What Kevin learned about minimalism from a wise old tea (and key) master in China. [27:18]
Minimalism — particularly of the Marie Kondo variety — isn’t an all-or-nothing approach to life. It’s a philosophy with wisdom to be taken (or left) by anyone living any lifestyle. [28:36]
Donation as a karmic chess move. [29:55]
How Kevin delays and declines what would have once been expensive and unnecessary impulse purchases. [30:47]
N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC): what is it good for? [31:27]
The untold perils of eating oatmeal cookies and the benefits of lithium. [33:29]
Contrary to popular belief, I don’t walk around with a drip IV bag in my arm and a thousand pills I’m taking four times a day. Here’s my current stance on supplements. [34:44]
The primitive but effective way I track my baseline, and what helps me wake up ready to face the day. [35:50]
It’s really easy to become addicted to measuring things that don’t matter very much — or worse still, measuring things that will distract you from the things that do matter. [37:53]
How does Kevin track his baseline, and does it have an impact on his behavior? [38:24]
Kevin’s idea for an app that creates social pressure to drink less. He’s experimented with a spreadsheet version among a small group of friends, but how might it scale when applied to a larger number of users? [39:26]
What has helped Kevin dial back his own drinking consumption? [42:20]
What effect does traveling have on Kevin’s resolve to drink less? [44:13]
Kevin’s hacks for drinking less in social situations. [46:18]
Speaking of drinking, have you ever heard one of my drunk dialing episodes? The latest one is here. [48:43]
The real reason I might not be drinking alcohol if you encounter me in the wild — and an excuse you should feel free to borrow if you’re ever socially pressured to drink. [49:34]
The Richard Branson method of resisting this social pressure. [50:54]
Kevin sets aside time that used to be taken up with drinking to learn every night. What’s he learning lately? [51:49]
Experiments with duration intervals and break periods I’ve tried for learning (particularly new languages). [53:30]
How does exercise fit into a learning regimen? [55:40]
Why I’m not worried about falling off the fitness train for short periods of time. [58:41]
We compare Tony Robbins event notes. Kevin gets the fresh coal treatment. [1:00:04]
What the Wheel of Life exercise made clear to Kevin and how it galvanized his ambition to contribute to a cause beyond just writing checks. [1:04:07]
Be skeptical, not cynical — what convinced me to attend a Tony Robbins event even though I assumed it wasn’t really my thing. [1:07:08]
Tony Robbins exercises aren’t a one-flavor-cures-all tonic, but here’s one that changed my life. [1:08:45]
Tony Robbins can even make Kevin dance — and Kevin hates dancing. You might be surprised to find out who else he can make dance. [1:11:30]
Yesterday’s frowned-upon self-help genre is today’s lauded lifelong learning journey. Here’s how I once disarmed an interview intended to set me up as a champion of that genre. [1:15:56]
You’ll find charlatans in any genre or industry, but it shouldn’t invalidate the good that people are attempting in that space. The education to tell them apart is generally available to anyone who goes looking for it. [1:18:18]
How to spot nonsense. [1:20:06]
Most recommended books. [1:21:47]
Parting thoughts. [1:24:26]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

Dr. Valter Longo
Dominic D’Agostino
Peter Attia
Tony Conrad
Zelda Rose
Darya Rose
Josh Cook
Marie Kondo
Jocko Willink
Brenden Mulligan
John Oliver
Richard Branson
Benjamin Franklin
Salvador Dali
Tony Robbins
Brian Koppelman
Marc Benioff
Paul Tudor Jones
Andrew Carnegie
Joe Rogan

Coach George Raveling — A Legend on Sports, Business, and The Great Game of Life (#332)

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“I’ve always had this theory that, if you help enough people get what they want, you’ll always get what you want.” — George Raveling

Coach George Raveling (@GeorgeRaveling) is an 80-year-old living legend and Nike’s former Director of International Basketball. Coach Raveling was the first African American head basketball coach in the PAC-8 (now PAC-12), and he is often referred to as the “Human Google.”

Coach Raveling has held head coaching jobs at Washington State, The University of Iowa, and USC. Following a prolific basketball coaching career, he joined Nike at the request of Phil Knight, where he played an integral role in signing a reluctant Michael Jordan. He’s also been inducted in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame as well as the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame.

In this episode we cover a lot of things including how he came to possess the original copy of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech, how his practice team ended up beating the 1984 US Olympic Dream Team in basketball, and much, much more!

I hope you’ll emerge from this conversation walking on air as I did!

Enjoy!

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#332: Coach George Raveling — A Legend on Sports, Business, and The Great Game of Life
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with George Raveling:

Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn

The “I Have A Dream” Speech by Martin Luther King Jr.
How I Got Over by Mahalia Jackson
Pioneering Coach George Raveling’s Surprising Connection to MLK by Seth Davis, Sports Illustrated
University of Iowa
Villanova University
Crozer Theological Seminary
13 Things You Probably Never Knew about Martin Luther King’s College Years by Holly Epstein Ojalvo, USA Today College
Garfield Memorial Hospital by The House History Man
St. Michael’s School
St. Joseph’s College
Uncle Tom’s Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe
Two Minute History: Aunt Jemima by Black&Sexy.TV
Barnes & Noble
Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Benjamin Franklin: An American Life by Walter Isaacson
Einstein: The Man, the Genius, and the Theory of Relativity by Walter Isaacson
Kissinger: A Biography by Walter Isaacson
“The Negro Question.” Albert Einstein’s 1946 Statement on Racism and Civil Rights by Dr. Albert Einstein, Global Research
Tools of Titans: The Tactics, Routines, and Habits of Billionaires, Icons, and World-Class Performers by Timothy Ferriss
The Obstacle Is the Way: The Timeless Art of Turning Trials into Triumph by Ryan Holiday
Ego Is the Enemy by Ryan Holiday
12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan B. Peterson
Life is So Good by George Dawson and Richard Glaubman
George Dawson; Author Learned to Read at 98 by Myrna Oliver, The Los Angeles Times
The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer
Eric Hoffer, Dockworker-Author Who Looked Into Life, Dies At 80, The New York Times
Blue Highways: A Journey into America by William Least Heat-Moon
Writing Blue Highways: William Least Heat-Moon, The Kansas City Public Library
University of Pennsylvania Official Bookstore
Whiplash: How to Survive Our Faster Future by Joi Ito and Jeff Howe
Truth: How the Many Sides to Every Story Shape Our Reality by Hector Macdonald
The Mind: Its Projections and Multiple Facets by Yogi Bhajan
George Raveling Delivers 2016 Villanova Commencement Address
Washington State University
University of Southern California
Remembering Michael Jordan and the 1984 Olympic Trials by Sean Deveney, Sporting News
The Dream Team’s Very Bad Day by Richard Sandomir, The New York Times
University of Maryland
Atlantic Coast Conference
A Rebounder’s Workshop: A Drill Manual on Rebounding by George Raveling
War On The Boards: A Rebounding Manual by George Raveling
Michael Jordan Says George Raveling Was Key Guy Pushing Him to Nike by Kurt Helin, NBC Sports

SHOW NOTES

It’s hard to know where to begin interviewing someone who’s lived as many lifetimes in one as Coach Raveling, so let’s find out how he came to possess Martin Luther King Jr.’s original “I Have a Dream” speech. [06:57]
Three men George considers his indirect mentors. [23:33]
A surprising fact about MLK that George didn’t discover until just recently. [25:13]
How has Dr. King inspired George and helped him make tough decisions and sacrifices throughout his life? [26:21]
To young George, his grandmother was as infallible as the Pope. How did he come to be in her care at age 12 and wind up going to Catholic school in Pennsylvania? [30:36]
What Grandma taught George and his brother about social graces — particularly how to treat women. [35:00]
How a remarkable nun encouraged George to be special and face life with a positive attitude. [37:48]
Why did George participate in every sport available in high school, and what made him gravitate toward basketball? [39:38]
An approach by a Hall of Fame coach and learning the meaning of the word “scholarship.” [42:24]
How did Grandma take the news about George’s scholarship offer? [44:56]
George talks about his rare collection of racist books, figurines, and postcards from the 19th and 20th centuries and why he keeps them on display in his home. [47:15]
What else does George collect? [51:12]
George looks upon relationships as a privilege and he always tries to be of service to his friends. [52:17]
Most of George’s best friendships started by mistake. Here’s an example that led him to seek out more associations with young people — and an examination of what this teaches George. [54:15]
Relationships as a “we” mentality, not a “me” mentality. [56:28]
George talks about the sometimes quirky scope of his voracious reading habit and its origins. [57:07]
What’s George’s search and discovery routine for deciding whether or not to buy a book when he’s at the store? [1:01:13]
Learning new lessons and discovering favorite authors at age 80. [1:03:37]
George proves you’re never too old to become a mastermind (even if it sends you to bed with headaches). [1:06:10]
What are the books George rereads and gives most often as gifts (and why does he call Tools of Titans his “China” book? [1:07:55]
We go over the books George brought as gifts for me and why he chose them. [1:11:11]
As note-taking fanatics, George and I compare notes about…notes. [1:18:35]
How George segments the information he takes in to avoid being overwhelmed and ensuring it sticks. [1:20:50]
What George does when he gets bored with reading on a long trip. [1:22:16]
No blank page ever goes to waste. Here are a few more secrets future archaeologists might use to decode our notes. [1:23:25]
What gets discovered on the second read of a favorite book. [1:26:07]
George’s notes get transferred to journals — which he has dating back to 1972. [1:27:01]
What George likes to ask himself at the end of every day. [1:28:35]
Why George feels it’s important to practice random acts of kindness. [1:30:15]
A motivational Bob Knight quote and winning gold at the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. [1:32:19]
On leading the college practice team that beat the Dream Team during a scrimmage before the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. [1:35:23]
Three coaches that have had the most impact on George. [1:39:30]
How Bob Knight pushed George to write the first book on rebounds. [1:42:20]
George owes everyone who saw something in him along the way that he didn’t see in himself a debt of gratitude. [1:44:18]
While most people look forward to retiring by age 60, George’s most productive years so far didn’t begin until then. [1:45:25]
George talks us through his history with Nike and the job offer that seemed like a prank phone call. [1:46:52]
A story about visiting China in the late ’70s — when Beijing was still called Peking and westerners might as well have been from the moon. [1:50:05]
How much influence did George have on initially reluctant and self-professed “adidas guy” Michael Jordan signing to Nike? [1:52:59]
What does George mean when he says the most important conversation is the one you have with yourself? [1:57:55]
The only two choices George has when he gets out of bed in the morning, the number of things he limits himself to accomplishing in a day, and how he keeps office teamwork tight. [2:00:54]
A personal audit once per week. [2:03:18]
What George believes to be the biggest farce that’s ever been predicated on us. [2:03:55]
What is George most excited about working on these days? [2:04:31]
What would George’s billboard say? [2:05:32]
George’s challenge to the audience. [2:07:05]
Parting thoughts. [2:08:06]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

Ryan Holiday
Phil Knight
Michael Jordan
Martin Luther King Jr.
John Lewis
James Baldwin
Mahalia Jackson
John F. Kennedy
Malcolm X
Harry S. Truman
Jack Ramsay
Al Severance
Bob Knight
John Thompson
Sonny Vaccaro
Kevin Eastman
Alex Cervasio
Walter Isaacson
Steve Jobs
Benjamin Franklin
Albert Einstein
Henry Kissinger
Abraham Lincoln
Jordan Peterson
George Dawson
Eric Hoffer
William Least Heat-Moon
Yogi Bhajan
Gurucharan S. Khalsa
Joi Ito
Chuck Daly
Christian Laettner
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Charles Barkley
C.M. Newton
Bobby Hurley
Chris Webber
Roy Williams
Dennis Johnson
John Thompson
Lefty Driesell
Jerry Tarkanian
Jimmy Valvano

Bill Foster
Eddie Sutton
Vern Fleming
Patrick Ewing
David Falk
Spike Lee
Charlie Denson

Ann Miura-Ko — The Path from Shyness to World-Class Debater and Investor (#331)

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“The main difference was that I was willing to outwork and outdo every competitor who walked in through that door.” — Ann Miura-Ko

Ann Miura-Ko (@annimaniac) has been called “the most powerful woman in startups” by Forbes and is a lecturer in entrepreneurship at Stanford. The child of a rocket scientist at NASA, Ann is a Palo Alto native and has been steeped in technology startups from when she was a teenager. Prior to co-founding Floodgate, she worked at Charles River Ventures and McKinsey and Company. Some of Ann’s investments include Lyft, Ayasdi, Xamarin, Refinery29, JoyRun, TaskRabbit, and Modcloth.

Given the success of her investments she was on the 2017 Midas List of top 100 venture capitalists. Ann is known for her debate skills (she placed first in the National Tournament of Champions and second in the State of California in high school) and was part of a five-person team at Yale that competed in the Robocup Competition in Paris, France. She has a BSEE from Yale and a PhD from Stanford in math modeling of computer security. She lives with her husband, three kids, and one spoiled dog. Her interests are piano, robots, and gastronomy.

Enjoy!

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#331: “Is That a World-Class Effort?”: The Story of Investor Ann Miura-Ko
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Want to hear my interview with Ann’s business partner? — Check out my interview with Mike Maples, Jr. from venture capital firm Floodgate, the man who taught me how to invest. Stream below or right-click here to download.

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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Ann Miura-Ko:

Floodgate | Twitter | Instagram

Foothill College
Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In by Roger Fisher and William L. Ury
Palo Alto High School
Stanford University
Official Cobra Kai Trailer — The Karate Kid Saga Continues
The Crash-Course Guide to Lincoln-Douglas Debate, Debate Central
The Socratic Method, University of Chicago Law School
A Theory of Justice by John Rawls
UK Parliament Debates Trump State Visit, CNN
Harvard Negotiation Project
Getting Past No: Negotiating in Difficult Situations by William Ury
What is BATNA? How to Find Your Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement by Guhan Subramanian, Harvard Law School Daily Blog
Japan in the 1950s by Alan Taylor, The Atlantic
Yale University
Hewlett-Packard
.NET
Things To Do In Kanazawa, Inside Kyoto
Pilot Juice Up 04 Retractable Gel Ink Pen
Nuuna Notebooks
Dungeons & Dragons
Lyft Is Finally Ditching the Furry Pink Mustache by Kyle Vanhemert, Wired
Stanford Technology Ventures Program
Investing in Thunder Lizards by Ann Miura-Ko of Floodgate, Stanford eCorner
MS&E 275: Intelligent Growth in Startups with R. Ann Miura-Ko
Qualtrics
Zimride
Founders Fund
Andreessen Horowitz
Floodgate: On the Hunt for Thunder Lizards — Case by Rory McDonald, Alix Burke, Emma Franking, and Nicole Tempest
Qualtrics: Rapid International Expansion — Case by Esther Tippmann and Sinead Monaghan
Y Combinator
Justin.tv
Socialcam
Xamarin
MongoDB — Case by Julie Makinen and Mike Speiser
Hewlett-Packard Imaging Systems Division: Sonos 100 C/F Introduction — Case by Frank V. Cespedes and Marie Bell
The Sunk Cost Fallacy by David McRaney, You Are Not So Smart
McKinsey and Company
Charles River Ventures
9/11: The Day of the Attacks by Alan Taylor, The Atlantic
Making Oprah
The Value of Aggression — Ode to Dan Gable
Google Cloud
VMWare
Deal Flow, Investopedia
Kleiner Perkins
Excel Venture Management
Sequoia
Ayasdi
TaskRabbit
Refinery29
Oracle
The End of Theory: The Data Deluge Makes the Scientific Method Obsolete by Chris Anderson, Wired
The Trolley Problem, BBC Radio 4
What School Could Be: Insights and Inspiration from Teachers across America by Ted Dintersmith
The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini
A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled Hosseini
Quik Shade MAX Shade Chair

SHOW NOTES

Ann was so shy as a child that her brother would have to introduce her at piano recitals. [05:35]
What Japanese phrase would Ann mutter at English speakers as a hostile kid growing up in Michigan? [08:21]
How did Ann manage to get a handle on her introversion and start opening up to people? [10:16]
When did Ann first speak on stage without an introduction from her brother? [13:20]
Why did Ann persist with speech and debate even after a rocky couple of years? [14:39]
Ann has always loved competition. [16:06]
To what dark lengths has Ann been willing to go for a slice of pizza? [16:41]
What catalyst turned Ann from a lousy debater into someone who won tournaments? [19:46]
What is the format of debate competition? [24:12]
What resources does Ann recommend for people who want to get better at debating and structuring arguments? [28:24]
Observations on what passes for modern debate — in politics and my family. [31:47]
Life is not a debate, and it’s not always about being right. So what does Ann feel is the most important lesson she learned during her debating years? [34:06]
A look at the differences between debate and negotiation in spite of their similar toolkits. [37:19]
Ann shares her rocket scientist father’s story of coming to America from Japan and one of his favorite phrases: “Is that a world-class effort?” [39:30]
How Ann made a world-class effort at a job making copies and filing, and what keeping her father’s words in mind taught her about ownership of circumstances no matter how seemingly insignificant. [43:54]
How giving a stranger a tour at Yale resulted in the opportunity for Ann to shadow a major company’s CEO. [46:36]
Ann’s first job that primed her for world-class photocopying and labeling. [53:15]
As an office supply connoisseur with many years of experience, what are Ann’s favorite notebooks and pens? [54:58]
What personal artifacts does Ann hold dear? [56:18]
Ann talks about teaching Mayfield Fellows at Stanford and what she loves about the program. [58:12]
What is the reading list for the intelligent growth in startups class Ann is teaching at Stanford now, and what’s in store for her students this quarter? [1:00:11]
How a potential investor might spot artificial inflation of value among startups. [1:06:03]
Why did Ann deviate from her initial plan to become a doctor? [1:07:20]
What thoughts surrounded Ann’s abandonment of the doctor track in spite of the preparation it had taken to get there, and what did she know about herself that her parents and test scores didn’t? [1:10:59]
How did venture capital and investing in startups enter the picture for Ann? [1:15:40]
“What is Steve Jobs doing in this house?” [1:16:20]
A job offer accepted over shared interests and an examination of the unique interview that led to it. [1:17:36]
Ann’s second day at CRV was 9/11. What did she observe and learn about shepherding companies and investors through a stagnant economy during her time there? [1:22:05]
The most expensive words in investing. [1:25:27]
First principles thinking and the toughest leadership decisions that Ann sees come up most commonly. [1:25:49]
Knowing the difference between a winning strategy versus a strategy not to lose. [1:28:45]
In what ways might hedging manifest as a defensive strategy? [1:30:05]
The importance of focusing on your own race, as demonstrated by Oprah and Dan Gable. [1:31:55]
Ann’s take on why you need a little bit of aggressiveness in order to have the win. [1:34:08]
How did Ann meet Mikes Maples, Jr.? [1:35:09]
Why Ann pursued a PhD in computer security, what kind of company she was planning to start, and how Mike persuaded her to work with him instead. [1:38:36]
What was Ann’s initial reaction to this proposition, and why was it such an unusual proposition at this time in Silicon Valley? [1:41:20]
Why Ann’s first year at Floodgate was so hectic — and what she considers “the most creative and probably productive” period of her life. [1:46:07]
What’s Ann’s real first name? [1:48:18]
What constitutes a struggle for Ann, and how has she coped with difficult times? [1:49:17]
What are Ann’s superpowers? [1:55:10]
What are thunder lizards, and why is Ann hunting them? [1:59:23]
Is the scientific method dead? How does Ann see the world changing as a result of artificial intelligence and machine learning? [2:01:10]
Philosophy thought exercises and real world applications. [2:04:03]
Societal problems that need to be solved and figuring out who’s best able to solve them. Do collective interests and self-interests have to be misaligned? [2:07:07]
What books has Ann gifted or reread most? [2:08:44]
What recent purchase of less than $100 had the most positive impact on Ann’s life? [2:11:00]
What would Ann’s billboard say? [2:12:27]
What do the Japanese characters for Ann’s first name mean? [2:13:25]
Where Ann can be found online, how Floodgate got its name, and parting thoughts. [2:14:30]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

Mike Maples, Jr.
Frederic Chopin
Abraham Lincoln
Stephen Douglas
Socrates
Aristotle
John Rawls
Donald Trump
Allan Bromley
George H.W. Bush
Lou Platt
Bill Gates
Ann Livermore
Tina Seelig
Tom Byers
Ryan Smith
Ed Zschau
Michael Seibel
Stephanie Schatz
Richard Feynman
Lisa Brennan-Jobs
Steve Jobs
Ted Dintersmith
E.L. Doctorow
Izhar Armony
Sir John Templeton
Oprah Winfrey
Phil Donahue
Dan Gable
Diane Greene
Ramesh Johari
Jack Welch
Godzilla
Sam Harris

The Return of Drunk Dialing Q&A: How to Ask Better Questions, Take Better Risks, and More! (#330)

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This episode is a rare exception to the rule — unlike my usual long-form interviews, this is a drunk-dialing Q&A with you guys, which I’ve done a few times in the last few years, including for the celebration of the 100th episode of this podcast. In preparation for this episode, I solicited phone numbers from listeners who wanted to receive a call from me, and then I started drinking and dialing, answering questions and getting a little frisky along the way.

This time, I came in hot, starting after a few preliminary drinks with friends on a weekend — so it’s double trouble.

I ended up covering topics including:

How to reassess existing projects, specifically ones which you’ve put a lot of capital and time into, using 80/20 analysis and other tools.
How to learn to care less about what people think, social perception, and how to minimize herd mentality.
A framework for thinking about entrepreneurship, risk-taking, and how to cut your teeth as a business builder or creator.
How to learn to ask better questions, whether in dating or sales.
How to let the silence do the work.
And so much more!

Please enjoy this tequila-fueled Q&A!

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#330: The Return of Drunk Dialing Q&A: How to Ask Better Questions, Take Better Risks, and More!
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Casa Dragones
Fear-Setting: The Most Valuable Exercise I Do Every Month, Tim Ferriss, tim.blog
Balkans War: A Brief Guide, BBC News
Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
The Magic of Thinking Big by David Schwartz
The Indus Entrepreneurs (TiE) Global Entrepreneurship Organization
Tribe of Mentors: Short Life Advice from the Best in the World by Timothy Ferriss
You Are the Average of the Five People You Most Associate With by Melia Robinson, Business Insider
Shopify
The Quiet Master of Cryptocurrency — Nick Szabo, The Tim Ferriss Show
Teespring
Dom D’Agostino on Fasting, Ketosis, and the End of Cancer, The Tim Ferriss Show
My Life Extension Pilgrimage to Easter Island, The Tim Ferriss Show
Barbell Shrugged
1,000 True Fans by Kevin Kelly
When to Quit — Lessons from World-Class Entrepreneurs, Investors, Authors, and More, The Tim Ferriss Show
Understanding the Pareto Principle (The 80/20 Rule), Better Explained
The 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich by Timothy Ferriss
The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron
The 4-Hour Chef: The Simple Path to Cooking Like a Pro, Learning Anything, and Living the Good Life by Timothy Ferriss
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt
Tools of Titans: The Tactics, Routines, and Habits of Billionaires, Icons, and World-Class Performers by Timothy Ferriss
The Effective Executive: The Definitive Guide to Getting the Right Things Done by Peter F. Drucker
Cal Fussman’s work at Esquire
23 Signs You’re Secretly An Introvert by Carolyn Gregoire, HuffPost
The Tim Ferriss Podcast is Live! Here Are Episodes 1 and 2, The Tim Ferriss Show

SHOW NOTES

As an immigrant living in Salt Lake City, Danny asks how he can learn to care less about the expectations of others — especially parents whose plans for his life differ greatly from his own. [05:05]
How does one go about building a world-class support system? [15:51]
Why the best time to test the waters of entrepreneurship is when you already have a steady paycheck. [19:33]
Here’s a little dietary advice from someone on tequila, chocolate chip cookie, bullsh*t caloric surplus mode after a rough couple of weeks. [27:50]
Joseph asks how I pick projects — specifically, how do I know what to pull the trigger on and what to let go? [32:01]
Who are my “five people?” [42:45]
Regina asks how I strike the balance between asking questions to better get to know a guest and asking questions that will be useful and interesting to my listeners. How might someone apply this to their own everyday conversations? [45:06]
Simple is usually better than clever. Remember to let silence do the work. [48:14]
Are the questions you’re asking too personal, or just too early? [49:35]
A brief introvert’s guide to leading conversation and how to get someone to open up without putting them on the spot. [52:13]
Conversation is a skill, and the only way to get better is to practice. Just make sure to practice before the big game. [57:03]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

Richa Chadda
Gary Vaynerchuk
John D. Rockefeller
Steve Jobs
Richard Branson
Valter Longo
Kevin Kelly
Julia Cameron
Robert Rodriguez
Tony Robbins
Peter Drucker
Naval Ravikant
Kevin Rose
Matt Mullenweg
Aubrey Marcus
Ray Dalio
Cal Fussman
George Clooney
Mikhail Gorbachev
George H.W. Bush
Molly

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Jason Fried — How to Live Life on Your Own Terms (#329)

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“I’m pretty oblivious to a lot of things intentionally. I don’t want to be influenced that much.” — Jason Fried

Jason Fried (@jasonfried) is the co-founder and CEO at Basecamp, and the co-author of Rework, Remote: Office Not Required, and Getting Real: The Smarter, Faster, Easier Way to Build a Successful Web Application. The upcoming It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work will be out later this year.

Jason writes a regular column for Inc. magazine and is a frequent contributor to Basecamp’s popular blog Signal v. Noise, which offers “strong opinions and shared thoughts on design, business, and tech.”

Enjoy!

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#329: Jason Fried — How to Live Life on Your Own Terms
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Jason Fried:

Basecamp | Twitter

Rework by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson
Remote: Office Not Required by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson
Getting Real: The Smarter, Faster, Easier Way to Build a Successful Web Application by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson
It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work by Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson
Get Real by Jason Fried, Inc.
Signal v. Noise
Key Performance Indicators (KPI), Investopedia
I Wish Drucker Never Said It (“If It Gets Measured, It Gets Managed”) by Bill Hennessy
Seeking Wisdom: From Darwin to Munger by Peter Bevelin
The Old Farmer’s Almanac 2018
7 Key Takeaways From Warren Buffett’s Letter to Berkshire Hathaway Shareholders by Matthew Frankel, The Motley Fool
What 20 Years of Jeff Bezos’s Shareholder Letters Can Teach You About Becoming a Top Performer by Julian Hayes II
A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy by William B. Irvine
The Stoic Art of Negative Visualization, The Daily Stoic
Fear-Setting: The Most Valuable Exercise I Do Every Month
Asian World Of Martial Arts
Sportsman’s Guide
Twenty Dollars in an Envelope: Jason Fried’s Teenaged Software Company by Justin Jackson
Tribe of Mentors: Short Life Advice from the Best in the World by Timothy Ferriss
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
McKinsey & Company Business Analyst Interview Question: “How Many Golf Balls Fit in an Airplane?”, Glassdoor
Automattic
Revising Prose by Richard A. Lanham
The Writing Class I’d Like to Teach by Jason Fried, Signal v. Noise
Simple and Direct by Jacques Barzun
Draft No. 4: On the Writing Process by John McPhee
Tom Petty’s 50 Greatest Songs, Rolling Stone
Ernest Hemingway’s Six-Word Sequels by Zack Wortman, The New Yorker
Meet The Dealer Who Made Jean Prouve Famous by Hannah Martin, Architectural Digest
This Unwanted Rolex Milgauss 6541 Now An Iconic Timepiece Collectors Drool Over by Paul Altieri, A Blog to Watch
Official Patek Philippe Site — Swiss Watchmaking Since 1839
Just Because: Hands-On With A 1968 Jaeger-LeCoultre Polaris by Benjamin Clymer, Hodinkee
The Prairie Enthusiasts
Planning an Oak Savanna Restoration, OakSavannas.org
Probiotics and Prebiotics: What You Should Know by Katherine Zeratsky, Mayo Clinic
The Philip Johnson Glass House
Jason and DHH’s Getting Real YouTube Channel
I’ve Never Had a Goal by Jason Fried, Signal v. Noise
Living without Expectations by Jason Fried, Signal v. Noise

SHOW NOTES

Is Jason really, as Jeff Bezos once said of him, “immune to dogma?” If so, how much of this is an innate versus acquired skill? [07:14]
How does Jason find the sweet spot of deliberate, selective ignorance he intentionally cultivates to avoid unintentional influence by others over his ideas? [10:36]
If Jason doesn’t live his life by setting goals, what does his decision-making process look like — personally and professionally? [13:08]
How might we try to be more like Jason regarding goals, KPIs, and putting off moments of possible joy — or should we try? [19:16]
The incentives of measuring metrics and the reasons for my approach to tracking. [24:00]
The genesis of Jason’s attitude toward goals and metrics tracking. [26:05]
JOMO and Jason’s case for reading newspapers over online journalism. [28:24]
What’s the real wisdom Jason takes from Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett? [32:02]
Why Jason doesn’t read fiction, and what he feels is the most important point of Stoicism. [34:36]
How negative visualization can be used to make plans and alleviate what might otherwise be constant anxiety. [36:56]
Jason and I share early memories of getting in trouble as wannabe entrepreneurs and ninjas. [44:06]
The way Jason thinks about business today is just a continuation of when he was 13 and selling knives and other contraband to his friends. [50:30]
How 15-year-old Jason finally learned about the consequences of his bad behavior. [51:42]
Why Jason didn’t really enjoy college. [56:49]
Jason’s first foray into selling software, what he learned from the experience, and how it differed from his earlier enterprises. [57:51]
How Jason has used rejection and negative feedback as fuel to excel rather than succumbing to feelings of anger and resentment. [1:02:40]
How does Jason minimize time wasting? [1:08:51]
What’s Jason’s general template for politely declining potentially regretful future obligations? [1:12:08]
Putting the importance of protecting personal time and attention in perspective — no matter who you are — and how to deal with people who don’t understand your boundaries. [1:15:41]
Why is a candidate’s ability to communicate well in the written form so important when Jason is making hiring decisions — even if it’s for a designer position? [1:18:16]
Jason digs a little deeper into his unique process for hiring designers that ignores portfolios of past accomplishments. [1:22:37]
What questions does Jason ask potential hirees about their creative process that lets him know whether or not they’re someone with whom he can work? [1:28:52]
What having everyone in a company work customer service on a rotating basis accomplishes. [1:32:07]
What Jason recommends for becoming better at written communication, and how the college class he’d teach about writing would focus strongly on revision and iteration — usually ignored by traditional education. [1:34:45]
Books I recommend for becoming a stronger writer and how a writing course with John McPhee made me better in all of my classes. [1:40:16]
What Jason takes away from the storytelling efficiency of Tom Petty lyrics. [1:43:05]
Jason explains his fascination with the design behind watches and chairs. [1:44:49]
If Jason could only save three watches from his collection, which three would he pick? [1:48:52]
The therapy of prairie restoration. [1:52:01]
What can we learn by closely observing the way nature sets conditions for good things to happen rather than trying to force good things? [1:59:56]
Jason ties prairie restoration to business building and gut health — “not only creating the conditions for things to thrive, but also not creating conditions for certain things to thrive.” [2:01:52]
What would Jason’s billboard say? [2:05:12]
Jason elaborates on what this John Rawls quote means to him: “The fairest rules are those to which everyone would agree if they did not know how much power they would have.” [2:06:41]
What Jason learned about paying attention to what’s under his feet from a wise gardener on a visit to the Philip Johnson Glass House. [2:08:11]
Parting thoughts. [2:12:30]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

Jeff Bezos
David Heinemeier Hansson
Mark Twain
Abraham Lincoln
Albert Einstein
Jim Coudal
Andy Grove
Charles Darwin
Charlie Munger
Peter Bevelin
Derek Sivers
Warren Buffett
William B. Irvine
Tim Kennedy
Tara Mann
Matt Mullenweg
Richard A. Lanham
John McPhee
Tom Petty
Elmore Leonard
Ernest Hemingway
Jean Prouve
Peter Attia
Bette Reese
Eric Hoffer
John Rawls
William Bruce Cameron
Albert Schweitzer
John Maeda
Philip Johnson

How to Say “No” Gracefully and Uncommit (#328)

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“People are effective because they say no.” — Peter Drucker

This episode of The Tim Ferriss Show showcases two chapters from Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg McKeown (@GregoryMcKeown), one of my favorite books of the past few years.

The first chapter explains how to say “no” gracefully (and why most of us have trouble doing this in the first place), and the second one gives us ways to cut our losses and uncommit in the aftermath of a premature “yes.”

This should help you shorten your to-do list and lengthen your not-to-do list.

Enjoy!

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#328: How to Say “No” Gracefully and Uncommit
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Greg McKeown:

Website | Twitter

Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg McKeown
Parks Felt ‘Determination Cover My Body like a Quilt’ by Wayne Greenhaw, CNN
Chinatown San Francisco — The Largest Chinatown Outside of Asia
An Evening with Dad by Cynthia Covey Haller, LDS
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People: Powerful Lessons in Personal Change by Stephen R. Covey
Social Conformity Definition: Normative vs. Informational, Study.com
The Secret of Productivity Is a Very Big Waste Paper Basket by Kyle Kowalski, Sloww
Paul Rand and the Story of the Most Expensive Logo Ever, grafiktrafik
Supersonic Airplanes and the Age of Irrational Technology: Was the Concorde a Triumph of Modern Engineering, a Metaphor for Misplaced 20th-Century Values, or Both? by Dara Bramson, The Atlantic
Sunk-Cost Bias: Is It Time To Call It Quits? by Margie Warrell, Forbes
Henry Gribbohm Loses Life Savings at Carnival Game, Wins Stuffed Banana with Dreadlocks by Hilary Hanson, HuffPost
Anomalies: The Endowment Effect, Loss Aversion, and Status Quo Bias by Daniel Kahneman, Jack L. Knetsch, and Richard H. Thaler, Journal of Economic Perspective
Why We Love to Hoard…and How You Can Overcome It by Tom Stafford, BBC News
The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg McKeown, Harvard Business Review
The Sunk Cost and Concorde Effects: Are Humans Less Rational Than Lower Animals? by Hal R. Arkes and Peter Aykon, Psychological Bulletin
That Sunk-Cost Feeling by James Surowiecki, The New Yorker
Tootsie
How Powerful Is Status Quo Bias? by Rob Henderson, Psychology Today
Zero-Based Budgeting (ZBB), Investopedia
Great Managers Prune as Well as Plant by Daniel Shapero, LinkedIn

SHOW NOTES

The right “no” spoken at the right time can change the course of history. [07:30]
Have you ever felt a tension between what you felt was right and what someone was pressuring you to do? [09:01]
Courage to say “no” is key to the process of elimination and Essentialism, the disciplined pursuit of less. [09:40]
As hard as it can be to say “no,” failing to do so can cause us to miss out on something far more important. Here’s a lesson from a noted Essentialist for illustration. [10:23]
Stephen R. Covey didn’t just teach Essentialism — he lived it. [13:29]
How do we discern the essential from the non-essential? [14:07]
Why does saying “no” often feel socially awkward and how does it have the power to cause us physical discomfort? [14:53]
The only way out of this trap. [16:00]
What a notable “no” from Peter Drucker taught Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi about productivity. [16:24]
The difference between essentialists and non-essentialists when choosing between saying “yes” and “no.” [17:39]
Separate the decision from the relationship. [18:55]
Saying “no” gracefully doesn’t have to mean using the word no. [19:32]
Focus on the trade-off. [20:11]
Remind yourself that everyone is selling something. [20:41]
Make your peace with the fact that saying “no” often requires trading popularity for respect. A story about the designer who stood up to Steve Jobs and what happened NeXT. [21:04]
Remember that a clear “no” can be more graceful than a vague or noncommital “yes.” [23:20]
The “no” repertoire: eight responses to help you say “no” with grace. [23:53]
1. The awkward pause. [24:16]
2. The soft “no” (or the “no, but”). [24:40]
3. “Let me check my calendar and get back to you.” [25:17]
4. Use e-mail bouncebacks. [26:05]
5. “Yes. what should I deprioritize?” [26:58]
6. Say it with humor. [28:12]
7. Use the words “You are welcome to X. I am willing to Y.” [28:32]
8. “I can’t do it, but X might be interested.” [29:14]
What the lessons of the Concorde jet and a massive carnival game loss teach us about sunk-cost bias. [31:16]
The difference between essentialists and non-essentialists when choosing between staying a losing course or cutting losses. [34:58]
Ways to avoid commitment traps. [36:09]
Beware of the endowment effect. [36:28]
Pretend you don’t own it yet. [38:30]
Get over the fear of waste. [39:08]
Instead, admit failure to begin success. [40:52]
Stop trying to force a fit. (Don’t be Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie.) [41:32]
Get a neutral second opinion. [42:38]
Be aware of the status quo bias. [43:44]
Apply zero-based budgeting. [44:33]
Stop making casual commitments. [45:52]
From now on, pause before you speak. [46:20]
Get over the fear of missing out (FOMO). [46:56]
To fight this fear, run a reverse pilot. [47:14]
Why learning how to uncommit is crucial to becoming an Essentialist. [49:07]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

Ernest Hemingway
Rosa Parks
Cynthia Covey Haller
Stephen R. Covey
Peter Drucker
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Paul Rand
Steve Jobs
Kay Krill
Tom Friel
Josh Billings
Henry Gribbohm
Daniel Kahneman
Tom Stafford
Hal Arkes
Dustin Hoffman
Daniel Shapero

Aisha Tyler — How to Use Pain, Comedy, and Practice for Creativity (#327)

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“You can’t own results. You can only own initiative.” – Aisha Tyler

Aisha Tyler (@aishatyler on Twitter, Instagram, and Vimeo) is an award-winning director, actor, comedian, bestselling author, podcaster, and activist. She’s amazing. If you enjoyed my episodes with Brandon Stanton, Debbie Millman, or Adam Robinson, among others, you will love this one.

Whether you do any type of creative work, want to be too complex to categorize, or want to overcome rejection and beat the odds, this one has something for you.

Aisha voices superspy Lana Kane on F/X’s Emmy award-winning animated comedy series Archer, which won four back-to-back Television Critics’ Choice Awards. She is a regular on the hit CBS show Criminal Minds, now in its 13th season, for which she has also directed. Aisha continues to host the CW’s hit improv show, Whose Line Is It Anyway, and she is launching a line of bottled cocktails she created, Courage + Stone, in Summer of 2018.

Aisha was a co-host for seven seasons of CBS’s Emmy-winning daytime show The Talk, which she departed in September 2017 to focus more on acting and directing. She is also well-remembered for her character arc on Friends, and she was the first African-American to have a long-standing role on the show. Her feature film debut, the thriller AXIS, premiered 2017, and the won the Outstanding Achievement in Feature Filmmaking award at the 2017 Newport Beach Film Festival, then had a theatrical run at Arclight Hollywood, Landmark NYC and Alamo Drafthouse, Austin, Texas. A San Francisco native, Aisha graduated from Dartmouth College with a degree in Government and Environmental Policy. An avid gamer and passionate advocate (and occasional adversary) of the gaming community, Aisha’s voice can be heard in the video games Halo: Reach, Gears of War 3, and Watch Dogs. Aisha is a bourbon and hard rock fan, a snowboarder, and a sci-fi obsessive.

Enjoy!

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#327: Aisha Tyler — How to Use Pain, Comedy, and Practice for Creativity
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Aisha Tyler:

Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Vimeo

AXIS
Self-Inflicted Wounds: Heartwarming Tales of Epic Humiliation by Aisha Tyler
Archer
Criminal Minds
Whose Line Is It Anyway
Courage + Stone
The Talk
Friends
Alamo Drafthouse
Halo: Reach
Gears of War 3
Watch Dogs
Girl on Guy Podcast with Tim Ferriss
Hanna
Sumo Suits
J. Eugene McAteer School of the Arts
Dartmouth College
Glee
Ha!
Richard Pryor: Live on Sunset Strip
Ruth Asawa San Francisco School of the Arts
Aisha Tyler Doing Standup at Tempe Improv
Outliers: The Story of Success by Malcolm Gladwell
Fubar’s
Rooster T. Feathers
BrainWash
Bill Burr — The Comedian’s Comedian (TFS #265)
Weezer
Nickelback
Bill Burr — The Philadelphia Incident
That Time Comedian Kenny Moore Hit A Heckler With His Guitar
Punch Line Comedy Club
Rudy
Out of Sight
The Zen Diaries of Garry Shandling
The Stepford Wives
According to my friends in Colombia, I have a disease called nalgofilia. Could be worse.
1,000 True Fans by Kevin Kelly
Def Comedy Jam
Die Hard
Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior
The Terminator
Talk Soup
The Wire
No Ass At All by Aisha Tyler
Silversun Pickups
Clutch
Star Wars
Penny Dreadful
Vikings
Galway Tourism
True (The origin of Whassup)
The Black List
Avenging Angel by Eric Smillie, Dartmouth Alumni Magazine
Aisha’s Kickstarter Campaign for AXIS
Tribe of Mentors: Short Life Advice from the Best in the World by Tim Ferriss
What About Bob?
The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman
Turning Slackers Into Workaholics, Wired
Concept2
TRX Body Weight System
The Pistol, CrossFit
Lypo-Spheric Glutathione
Better Booch
LIFEAID
The Walking Dead
Fear the Walking Dead
The Magicians
The X-Files
The Handmaid’s Tale
Deutschland 83
Jaws
Alibaba
Jodorowsky’s Dune
Dune by Frank Herbert
Aliens

SHOW NOTES

How is Aisha partly to blame for the existence of The Tim Ferriss Show? [07:42]
The trademark question Aisha would ask of all her podcast guests. [09:15]
Aisha tells us about her somewhat unorthodox childhood and family relationships. [10:52]
How did Aisha answer the questions “Whose day is it?” and “What are you going to do?” every morning? [12:04]
From where does Aisha get her general sense of optimism? [16:05]
Has Aisha been good at following her father’s earlier advice? How does she feel about regret? [18:15]
Contrasting Mr. Tyler’s free-range parenting style with the modern model that tends toward overprotection. [20:29]
Having a bad day? You’re not special! [26:22]
What did the young and scholarly Aisha want to be when she grew up? [27:38]
Why was Aisha miserable at what she thought was her dream job? [30:06]
Why did Aisha pick standup comedy to break into show business? [31:00]
What it was like to keep a day job and do standup comedy as a hobby. [33:09]
If San Francisco was known as a comedy town, why would Aisha commute hours away to do standup when she was getting started? [35:11]
What made the comedy club bubble of the ’80s burst? [37:40]
How did Aisha practice to get better at standup? [41:32]
A memorable set Aisha bombed and the gift it gave her. [43:29]
Dealing with hecklers Bill Burr and Kenny Moore style. [47:06]
Aisha shares some of her own heckler stories. [54:18]
Aisha’s academic approach to the math of comedy. [59:03]
What’s the Rule of Threes? [1:01:37]
Aisha may not have the discipline of Garry Shandling, but she has her own ways of gauging her evolution as a comic. [1:02:47]
How comedians are like musicians, writers, and other artists. [1:04:53]
The changing metrics of success and a common trap modern-day creatives can fall into if they’re not careful (or scrupulous). [1:05:30]
What happens when you operate from a place of fear and want to please the nebulous majority more than you want to please yourself. [1:09:06]
If one likes big butts, one cannot lie — even if it might tick someone off. Especially if it might tick someone off. [1:12:00]
Sometimes constructive feedback does make me change my mind. [1:14:52]
No matter how you present your art to the world, there are always going to be people who don’t get what you do. Aisha strives to do meaningful work that’s authentic to her experience. [1:15:18]
Why being funny isn’t actually the most important part of comedy. [1:17:32]
When you’re beginning in the creative game, expect that most things are not going to work out. [1:18:28]
Why it doesn’t pay to emulate a master of a craft in their own field. [1:19:02]
After wearing so many different career hats, how did Aisha decide to get started in filmmaking? [1:21:17]
Aisha believes in personal aggression. [1:24:38]
How Aisha piggybacked on resources being used for her Comedy Central special to make her first music video. [1:25:34]
Aisha made music videos for her friends’ bands and other short-format films to learn more about the craft. [1:26:39]
What lessons did Aisha learn from these projects? [1:28:22]
Aisha talks about visiting the sets of Penny Dreadful and Vikings in Ireland and how it led to making AXIS. [1:29:42]
How did Aisha get the time off and the financial resources to sustain herself on this trip? [1:31:42]
What did the email Aisha sent to get permission to visit the set of Vikings look like? [1:33:33]
Why you don’t have to be Aisha Tyler or even have a verified social media account for your kind words expressing appreciation for a show to be seen by the people who make that show. [1:34:27]
How the Budweiser “Whassup” campaign came about — and a director’s career was launched — because of a catchy short film that was seen by the right people. [1:35:53]
Why Aisha made AXIS. [1:37:45]
Resources for people who are interested in screenplays or early stage tech investing but don’t have a foot in the door of the establishment. [1:39:00]
What is AXIS, and did anyone try to talk Aisha out of making it? [1:40:14]
How would Aisha describe her experience of being involved with AXIS? Why did she crowdfund its financial resources and shoot it in seven days? Would she make a movie this way again? [1:42:31]
The magic, intensity, and clarity of operating on an aggressive deadline. [1:47:03]
If everything we want is on the other side of fear, what is Aisha afraid of now or hoping to get on the other side of in the next year or so? [1:48:30]
What is one of Aisha’s current struggles? [1:50:27]
“If art imitates life, in order to create art, you have to have a life.” [1:51:40]
As a workaholic, how does Aisha manage to live a life that influences her art? [1:53:03]
How would Aisha’s life be different if she didn’t have exercise as an element? [1:56:03]
What equipment does Aisha use to work out? [1:58:07]
What does a prototypical workout look like for Aisha? [1:59:00]
How does Aisha take her glutathione, and what does it help with? [2:00:00]
Does Aisha exercise before or after breakfast? What time does she wake up, and what do her first 60 to 90 minutes look like? [2:02:28]
Aisha works out at home to save transit time. What does she watch when she rows? [2:04:32]
Does Aisha make New Year’s resolutions? [2:05:56]
Aisha likens her first (unwatchable and destroyed) short film to the standup set she bombed. [2:08:27]
When has Aisha been extremely proud of herself? [2:12:17]
How the confidence developed in exploring areas outside of the box can transfer to future projects. [2:15:28]
To grow from failure, you have to be aggressive. [2:17:45]
Parting thoughts. [2:18:28]

PEOPLE MENTIONED



Brandon Stanton
Debbie Millman
Adam Robinson
Lana Kane
James Tyler
Robin Gregory
Feri Tyler
Redd Foxx
Lenny Bruce
Bill Hicks
Richard Pryor
Marc Maron
Janeane Garofalo
Brian Posehn
Malcolm Gladwell
Sam Kinison
Andrew Dice Clay
Bill Burr
Kenny Moore
Usain Bolt
Garry Shandling
Kevin Kelly
Christopher Nolan
Wes Anderson
John McPhee
Leo Tolstoy
John Logan
Franklin Leonard
Naval Ravikant
Ryan Gosling
Richard Dreyfuss
Jack Canfield
Amanda Palmer
Neil Gaiman
Jean-Paul Sartre
Kevin Rose

Reid Hoffman of LinkedIn, Brian Chesky of Airbnb, and How to Scale to 100M+ Users (#326)

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“In order to scale, you have to do things that don’t scale.” — Reid Hoffman

This episode is a showcase from Masters of Scale, one of the few podcasts I recommend repeatedly to entrepreneurs. It’s a conversation between LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman (@reidhoffman) and Airbnb co-founder Brian Chesky (@bchesky), and it focuses on how you can scale your company by, paradoxically, doing things that don’t scale.

This is, in some ways, part two of my conversation with Airbnb’s co-founder Joe Gebbia (which you can check out here). I also highly recommend subscribing to Masters of Scale, which just began its third season and features interviews with founders of Spotify, Instagram, TaskRabbit, Shake Shack, and Glossier, among many others.

And if you’re looking for a companion piece to read with this episode, I can recommend none better than 1,000 True Fans by Kevin Kelly (@kevin2kelly).

Please enjoy this short conversation between Reid Hoffman and Brian Chesky, with a few cameo appearances in the mix.

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#326: Reid Hoffman of LinkedIn, Brian Chesky of Airbnb, and How to Scale to 100M+ Users
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Connect with Reid Hoffman:

Masters of Scale | LinkedIn | Greylock Partners | Twitter

Connect with Brian Chesky:

Medium | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter

Masters of Scale
Reid’s previous appearances on this podcast: The 10 Commandments of Startup Success with Reid Hoffman and The Oracle of Silicon Valley, Reid Hoffman (Plus: Michael McCullough)
My interview with Joe Gebbia — Co-Founder of Airbnb (#301)
Airbnb
LinkedIn
1,000 True Fans by Kevin Kelly
Brian Chesky: I Lived on Cap’n McCain’s and Obama O’s Got Airbnb out of Debt by Michael Carney, Pando
Y Combinator
What is LinkedIn Open Networking? Should You Be a LION Open Networker? by Larry Brauner, LinkedIn
The Beatles Arrive In New York (1964) via British Pathe
Elon Musk, Speaking at SXSW, Projects Mars Spaceship Will Be Ready for Short Trips by First Half of 2019 by Michelle Castillo, CNBC
Stripe
Kayak
Dress for Success
Pixar Animation Studios
Airbnb Wants to Handle Your Entire Holiday with Trips by James Temperton, Wired UK
The Hero’s Journey: Joseph Campbell on His Life and Work by Joseph Campbell

SHOW NOTES

The 2008 PR campaign that turned things around when Brian and Joe of Airbnb were in dire need of a lifeline. [06:43]
Brian gets his hands dirty (and burnt) for the team. [08:35]
“In order to scale, you have to do things that don’t scale.” Reid introduces the program. [09:18]
Y Combinator’s Paul Graham reminds Brian of an important lesson he’d forgotten between design school and Silicon Valley: to design with empathy. [11:14]
How the Airbnb founders immediately put this lesson into practice. [12:59]
How these early personal visits with hosts gave Airbnb its roadmap. [14:29]
Passionate feedback from early users is one sign you’re doing something right. But you need to separate the wheat from the chaff to turn that feedback into growth. [15:12]
A thought exercise for increasing the distance word of mouth travels when people talk about your business: how many stars would this experience be worth? [17:18]
What are the two stages of a start-up’s product, and which one should be scaled first? [20:15]
How Brian decided on what to scale first. [21:16]
Input from Airbnb’s Ellie Thiele about how they began to automate for scale and build features that users really wanted. [21:39]
How Stripe’s Patrick Collison and Kayak’s Paul English personally weighed customer feedback in the early days. [23:19]
Thoughtful founders may look back on these early days with mixed feelings, but they’ll often consider them their career’s most creative phase. [24:41]
Nancy Lublin founded Dress for Success out of her New York City Apartment as a clothing drive to help women interview confidently for jobs. [25:11]
Two opposing mindsets required for the transition from the handcrafted phase to the massive scale phase — think of the difference between writing and editing. [26:01]
The non-glamorous work that goes into making the adjustment from one phase to the next. [27:42]
The importance of maintaining the handcrafted mindset no matter how big your company gets. [28:50]
Looking to reinvent an industry? Get orthogonal. Airbnb peered outside of hospitality and found inspiration from cinema. [30:00]
What are the essential ingredients for a perfect trip? Here’s a master class in finding the answer by handcrafting. [30:51]
Using this handcrafted experience to create a blueprint for operating on a global scale. [32:49]
Brian’s surprising message for early-stage entrepreneurs worried about traction. [34:36]
Reid’s closing good news for early-stage entrepreneurs. [35:21]

PEOPLE MENTIONED

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