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Well she's the queen of sass XD

You're right, they both use curses they shouldn't use. I think it's not a question of ends justifying the means but rather one of winning or losing. The problem with following the rules is that those who don't follow them will always have the edge over you. There will come a moment when you've to decide if you want to play fair and risk losing or if you want to give them a piece of their own medicine and win. Their world and many lives are at stake after all. What it comes down to is: If your opponents don't play fair, are you willing to risk it all by following the rules to a T? I've played plenty of role plays as an Auror against Death Eaters and believe me when I say it's really, really tough to win when you follow the rules. *LOL* Just speaking from experience here.

Aizlyn wrote: "Well she's the queen of sass XD"

When she lets loose, there's no one better :)

Virginia Ronan wrote: "You're right, they both use curses they shouldn't use. I think it's not a question of ends justifying the means but rather one of winning or losing. The problem with following the rules is that tho..."

I guess it boils down to the self-defense principle. Killing, for example, is an unforgivable thing, except if it's in defense of your own life, in which case it's permissible under the law. In this situation, I think "Unforgivable" only means unforgivable under normal circumstances. In a life or death situation, the normal rules do not apply, and anything that aids the preservation of life is fair game.

Jayson wrote: "I guess it boils down to the self-defense principle. Killing, for example, is an unforgivable thing, except if it's in defense of your own life, in which case it's permissible under the law. In this situation..."

I agree with you and I think the instinct to defend yourself when threatened with death is something so deep within us that we can't fight it. Under "normal circumstances" everyone would play fair or at least it wouldn't be a question of life or death. In war.. well there are different rules.

I love Mcgonagall. She honestly needs more recognition. But regarding the unforgivable spells they used, I personally found it odd that rowling would make them use them, since the "good guys" supposed to have morals as that is what sets them apart, despite who you go up against. Just like when Harry goes against Voldemort, he uses expelliarmus instead of avada kedavra. But looking at it from the other perspective, those spells are powerful, and are very useful under the pressure of battle. I don't think there is a clear cut answer on wheather it's justified.

Layla wrote: "I love Mcgonagall. She honestly needs more recognition. But regarding the unforgivable spells they used, I personally found it odd that rowling would make them use them, since the "good guys" suppo..."

I'm with you when it comes to the "good guys" using unforgivable spells. It might appear odd that they use them but to some extent it's also logical. I mean from a realistic POV Harry would have stood no chance against Voldemort with only using expelliarmus. Avada Kedavra is such a powerful curse and if you put it in perspective the worst thing that could have happened for Voldemort was to lose his wand, whilst in Harry's case it would have been his life. Quite the extreme contrast, but it shows the fine line the "good guys" are walking. ;-)

Virginia Ronan wrote: "I agree with you and I think the instinct to defend yourself when threatened with death is something so deep within us that we can't fight it. Under "normal circumstances" everyone would play fair or at least it wouldn't be a question of life or death."

Yeah, playing fair depends entirely on the game. When the game is changed, then there's a new set of rules, and under the new rules there's likely an entirely different definition of fair. In war, I'd think there'd be very little out of bounds.

Layla wrote: "I love Mcgonagall. She honestly needs more recognition."

Yeah, I'd be down for a prequel book about her life. Her section was the best part of those "Short Stories from Hogwarts" Pottermore books.

Layla wrote: "But regarding the unforgivable spells they used, I personally found it odd that rowling would make them use them, since the "good guys" supposed to have morals as that is what sets them apart, despite who you go up against."

I think it was entirely intentional on her part, that graying out black and white characters like Harry and Malfoy was a statement on the morality of war, and its chaotic, ethically ambiguous nature.

Virginia Ronan wrote: "It might appear odd that they use them but to some extent it's also logical. I mean from a realistic POV Harry would have stood no chance against Voldemort with only using expelliarmus."

Yes, I agree. Unless you even the playing field, it can never be a fair fight. It's why you don't bring a sword to a gunfight, or so the saying goes.

RenardRouge wrote: "Haha go Professor McGonagall 👑"

lol ya!

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Yes, I always find my most fruitful discussions come in status updates, where various details and minutiae can be brought up and picked apart :)

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Jayson wrote: "Daisy wrote: "Tahera wrote: "A very interesting conversation going on here 🍿..."

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Virginia Ronan wrote: I'm with you when it comes to the "good guys" using unforgivable spells. It might appear odd that they us them but to some extent it's also logical. I mean from a realistic POV Harry would have stood no chance...."


I mean you are not wrong. For Harry ,to go up against a super powerful dark wizard, using a super powerful spell, the chances of his succeeding would probably be difficult without "the power of love" and other lucky circumstances. Perhaps, that wasn't to best example to use to convey my point.😅

Jayson wrote: " Yeah, I'd be down for a prequel book about her life. Her section was the best part of those "Short Stories from Hogwarts" Pottermore book."


Yes! A prequel of some sort, perhaps a novella, would be super interesting.

Layla wrote: "Yes! A prequel of some sort, perhaps a novella, would be super interesting."

Jayson wrote: " I think it was entirely intentional on her part, that graying out black and white characters like Harry and Malfoy was a statement on the morality of war, and it's chaotic, ethnically ambiguous nature."


Grey morality does seem to be a common theme, with other characters like Snape too and Dumbledore. Since she went for that, even though it's too late now, I would have loved to see Harry's afterthought of using the spells. Wheather he too found it totally acceptable to use during the times, or had some hesitation, but ultimately chose to.

Layla wrote: "I would have loved to see Harry's afterthought of using the spells. Wheather he too found it totally acceptable to use during the times, or had some hesitation, but ultimately chose to."

Well, he certainly showed hesitation when he used an Unforgivable Curse the first time against Bogrod the goblin. I think it became easier and more acceptable the more he did it, certainly he showed no hesitation later on.

Interesting.

TMR wrote: "Interesting."

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Maya(Mimi) wrote: "All I can say is I felt slightly sorry for volemort chasing after somthing he cant catch!"

I'm sure we can all identify with that :)

Maya(Mimi) wrote: "And the name voldemort comes up in a mickey mouse story !"

Doesn't surprise me... Mickey's not the most current of properties, and namedropping something popular, albeit from a decade ago, is just another example of pandering for relevance.

Maya(Mimi) wrote: "I agre with layla. she is the best sass queen ever especially in books 5&7 !"

Whenever she's provoked or gets the chance to cut loose she takes full advantage :)

McGonagall's sass really shines on the rereads 🤩 😈

Aoife - Bookish_Babbling wrote: "McGonagall's sass really shines on the rereads 🤩 😈"

Yes, especially with audiobooks. The slower pacing really gives you a lot of opportunity to key in on and mull over the details :)

Good to know 👍
Listened to the first book as an audio, borrowed from my library back in April, they only have the first one so far but would deffo listen to the others if they get them 🙃 😎

Aoife - Bookish_Babbling wrote: "Good to know 👍
Listened to the first book as an audio, borrowed from my library back in April, they only have the first one so far but would deffo listen to the others if they get them 🙃 😎"

Happy to hear that! Hope you get to listen to the whole series 😁👍

Thanks buddy, here's hoping 🤞

they changed a lot of things in the battle scene

Sakshi wrote: "they changed a lot of things in the battle scene"

Well, at least it's consistent with the film series as a whole.