Status Updates From The Republic

E - trasimaco
Fim do livro 1

Part 2 Preliminaries - completed

a]First Principles of Social Organisation
b] Civilised Society
c] Qualities Required in the Guardians

So far, the consensus is pretty great. The book in depth talks about what justice and injustice is, and how it would affect the person, community and even as far as the ruler and the people its ruling. They even used metaphors to discuss the perspective, whilst trying to figure out its own meaning. Is it goodness, beauty and knowledge? Or is there more to it.

Starting Part 2 Preliminaries
a First Principles of Social Organisation

Adeimantus and Glaucon Restate the Case for Injustice
Part1 completed

c Thrasymachus and the Rejection of Conversational Morality - completed

"Your dog is a true philosopher" sounds more like a Diogenes quote than a Plato quote.

Justice is, as you know, sometimes spoken of as the virtue of an individual, and sometimes as the virtue of the State.

True.

And is not a State larger than an individual?

It is, unless the individual is your mom!

Not what I thought it would be. Well, it is, but it isn’t, if that makes sense… definitely not a book you listen too audibly. This is more of a sit and read

Book III turns from defining justice to shaping the people who will uphold it. Through discussions of education, poetry, courage, discipline, leadership, and the controversial “Noble Lie,” Plato explores how reason can govern ambition, anger, and desire. But the book also raises a deeper political question: can a society be held together by reason alone, or does it always depend on shared stories and beliefs …

intro = 41
currently on pg 54
total = 381 + 41 = 422

Would you agree, Polemarchus, that the art of shepherding serves the sheep, the art of piloting serves the sailors, and so forth?

That is reasonable.

And would it follow that the art of payment serves the artist after he has performed his art?

This is inferred from the argument.

So would you agree that Thrasymachus owes me five dollars?

What you say is quite true, Socrates.

Part 1 Introduction
a] The Conventional View of Justice Developed - completed

... inte idag heller

Ah yes, proof by "my opponent says 'sure whatever' to anything I say"

I read books 1 and 2

Finished the section on women and children. The place of women was to be beside and on par with that of the men and they were granted the right to participate as guardians.
Came to the end of chapter 5 where Socrates reveals that the hypothetical state which he has been building need inly serve as an ideal and that the Philosophers must be the rulers if a society is to get as close as possible to that ideal.

Tbh está interesante, pero aventarse 60 páginas entre la noche y los minutos antes de la clase no estuvo muy cool

Ms. Wilson’s personal recommendation and her own copy nonetheless! I will savour every moment of this book 🙃

جزء من محاورة سقراط عن الرجل المستبد والدولة الاستبدادية.

سقراط: لكنه عندما يتخلص من أعدائه الخارجيين، بالفتح أو المعاهدة، ولا يبقى شيء ليخافه منهم فآنئذ يثير الحرب هنا وهناك على الدوام كي يظل الشعب بحاجة إلى قائد..
اديامنتوس: لتكن متأكداً.
سقراط: أليس لديه غرض آخر، ألا هو إفقارهم بدفع الضرائب، واجبارهم أن يكرسوا أنفسهم لحاجياتهم اليومية، وبناءً عليه فهم أقل احتمالاً للتآمر ضده.

الكتاب الثامن من الجمهورية. ص٤٠٠

I'm too cooked to understand what Socrates and Adeimantus were talking abt in this part.....

Okay listen, I can only read Philosophy for so long before my head hurts. As much as I'm liking this one, it'll probably be a while before I pick up another unless it's shorter and a bit newer, say maybe within the past 1000 years or so

Okay I cannot read this at night it’s like studying

interesting… enjoying socrates’ and thrasymachus’ dialogue ☕️

May 28, 2026, Reached 09:48:51 )73%) of 13:25:42 total, Up from 70%

Finished commentary on Book X:
"The Republic which seems to give a completed teaching about politics
and the soul, ends with a return to philosophic doubt, to the conviction
that one^ opinions are open to unanswered, if ot unanswerable, questions.
In one sense one can even say that the book has taught us nothing
other than the necessity of philosophy and its priority and superiority
to the political life."

Finished Book 10:
Socrates criticizes imitative, tragic or comic, Homeric poetry. warns that dramatic poetry feeds irrational, emotional mind & breaks down self-control. outlines new poetry that supports the philosophic life. He gives the principle Aristotle developed in the Poetics, which is embodied in the works of Dante & Shakespeare. It is still poetry, but poetry which points beyond itself.

Summary of Book 9:
just person is happier than unjust person who spends his money, deceives, steals, lives in constant fear, poverty, and misery.
Only philosopher experiences all 3 kinds of pleasure (profit, honor, truth) ; knows the nature of true reality, soqualified to judge which life is best.
Pleasures (reason, truth) are real & stable; appetitive pleasures of unjust are illusory and never truly satisfy.

Finished Book IX and commentary

Starting Book X

Trying something different. Let’s see what these freaks were talking about