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The Long Count Calendar (Sally has conquored Insomnia)

And every day, it seems, is the dawn of a new era. I hope to see them as opportunity.
Sorry about the insomnia, Sally...the day after (of?) insomnia sucks for me. I become paranoid and even more socially inept than usual. That would not be a good book for me when I can't sleep.
My insomnia update:
True to form I awoke last night at 1am. Rolled around until 2. Kicked the cats out and slept until 5. Now I'm up again for the day.
Fantastic.
True to form I awoke last night at 1am. Rolled around until 2. Kicked the cats out and slept until 5. Now I'm up again for the day.
Fantastic.


It works for me, sometimes, but it's a deep, deathly sleep...and it gives me weird dreams...


Nothing on my schedule today except normal old work. Sweet!
Dave, that is what I do. I get up and out of the room because I want the bedroom to be a place for sleeping. only. (well, there are exceptions...but you know what I mean.) If I can't sleep I go to the office, even to lie down and think about how I'm not sleeping. Somehow that lessens my anxiety a tad.
I've also removed clocks from the bedroom because if I can open my eyes and check to see how long it has been since I last opened my eyes and checked to see how long it's been I can get Veeeeeeery wrapped up in counting the number of hours I have and have not been sleeping and how long I have to go until my alarm goes off.
I've also removed clocks from the bedroom because if I can open my eyes and check to see how long it has been since I last opened my eyes and checked to see how long it's been I can get Veeeeeeery wrapped up in counting the number of hours I have and have not been sleeping and how long I have to go until my alarm goes off.

I'm cool with waiting to find out.
I did read Pinchbeck's earlier book "Breaking Open the Head" which i did enjoy a great deal. I was impressed by his psychedelic adventurism. I am generally quite fascinated by psychedelic drugs. His first book was mainly about shamanism and his quest to see if it's possible to become a modern day shaman (not really). I liked it a lot--very intense and weird.

By the way, I think this whole myth is ridiculous.
You should have laughed at him, David. I swear, the garden variety conspiracy theories (UFO's) actually interest me more than this 2012 nonsense.
I'm willing to wager all of my savings that we don't "fall" into a black hole.
-An astrophysics/cosmology student


Well, David, since your brought up coffee shop dude I feel compelled to share that the reason I bought the book was because I had an encounter with a person I found veeeeeeeery attractive at the Tattered Cover Bookstore and he happened to have it in his hands at the time and I was magnetically attracted to anything that piqued his interest.

So, I pop half a melatonin pill about 20 minutes before bedtime and I sleep like a freaking ROCK. It's technically a supplement, not a "drug," so I don't feel guilty about drugging myself to sleep, and it doesn't really interfere with my next day. It does take a little bit longer for the actual act of waking up... I generally lay in bed for about 10-15 minutes trying to leave dreamland, but once I shake the sleepiness I feel completely normal.
I'd say give it a shot.
Sweet! Now, is this something I can just find in the herbal aisle of the grocery store? It sounds perfect for keeping me asleep and in dreamland, not in worryville.

Insomnia update: I went out with English Ed peeps and then had wine at my mom's with dinner. I was looped for the first time since the holiday season and thought this would do the trick to let me sleep all night.
No.
Same freaking pattern: sleep at 11, up at 1. Sleep at 3, up at five. Thursday night I took a Simply Sleep so I could be rested before being evaluated, and although what happened could be technically be called sleep, I was aware of my mind trying to wake up on it's now established cycle. Sleeping pills are weird.
I went to King Soopers and they had no melatonin in the herb aisle. Are you all sure this is where I purchase it? Do I need to go to Vitamin Cottage or something like that, instead?
No.
Same freaking pattern: sleep at 11, up at 1. Sleep at 3, up at five. Thursday night I took a Simply Sleep so I could be rested before being evaluated, and although what happened could be technically be called sleep, I was aware of my mind trying to wake up on it's now established cycle. Sleeping pills are weird.
I went to King Soopers and they had no melatonin in the herb aisle. Are you all sure this is where I purchase it? Do I need to go to Vitamin Cottage or something like that, instead?

Melatonin isn't an herb...it's not rare...go to normal pharmacy/drugstore and they should have it.

http://www.walgreens.com/store/produc...

OH NO! Melatonin might puree my brain? Holy! I already have issues with memory. And although I've been complimented on my deep and piercing intelligence, I worry that I'm already losing IQ points willy-nilly. Perhaps I'll just lick the pills.

Check out the mayo clinic link in msg 10...
Based on available studies and clinical use, melatonin is generally regarded as safe in recommended doses for short-term use (three months or less).
There's a list of side effects on the link, too. I did have "vivid dreams", by the way, like the mayo clinic says...

Randomanthony wrote: "I only take half a pill...
Check out the mayo clinic link in msg 10...
Based on available studies and clinical use, melatonin is generally regarded as safe in recommended doses for short-term use..."
Randomanthony wrote: "I only take half a pill...
Check out the mayo clinic link in msg 10...
Based on available studies and clinical use, melatonin is generally regarded as safe in recommended doses for short-term use..."
Sally wrote: "OH NO! Melatonin might puree my brain? Holy! I already have issues with memory. And although I've been complimented on my deep and piercing intelligence, I worry that I'm already losing IQ point..."
Sandy wrote: "Just my $.02. I took Melatonin for a few months quite a few years ago. At first I took one pill, then half was enough. By the time I decided to stop taking it, all I had to do was lick the pill and..."
Sally wrote: "OH NO! Melatonin might puree my brain? Holy! I already have issues with memory. And although I've been complimented on my deep and piercing intelligence, I worry that I'm already losing IQ point..."
I think the Melatonin started my brain defecit, but 22 years in inner city schools definitely finished off what was once a really good IQ. Another creepy thing about teaching is that you can put all your school pictures in chronological order and watch yourself grow old in 30 seconds. Here's my life. OH, there goes my life.

I think some teaching jobs in particular are hard on the constitution...I did four years in the inner city, and I'm not sure I would have lasted forever...I hope you take some solace in making a difference in tough circumstances, Sandy:)

Sorry I freaked you out, Sally. Was it anything it particular?
Just the repeater of the "reply" function, mainly.
Also that I want to be a public HS teacher when I grow up.
Also that I want to be a public HS teacher when I grow up.

I don't think my writing is such that I have lost a sizeable amount of IQ points, but having to teach to people with a 1 or 2 score in reading and 100% in attitude doesn't make for lively discussion or intellectual feedback, thus numbing the mind.

I use Parker Palmer's work a lot and do panels with teachers/administrators, too. Teacher burnout is real, no doubt.

I would never try to deter anyone from becoming a teacher, but I won't water down my experiences. I was happy and proud of my profession for 2o years, but the ast two were killers. I had all HS seniors who hadn't passed the state test (CAT here in FL) and I was just too damned old to have the energy and enthusiasm I felt the position required. Still, 90% of them passed the test and graduated, and I was proud to see them march of graduation day.


Can't say I've noticed any brain puree; and in my line of work that's something I'd notice.


Sandy, I didn't mean to be offensive. My attempts at humor seem to be falling flat today. I'm always happy to find a teacher out there. And after thirty years in the classroom I think you can say whatever you want about it. You did your service.
Oh, I like books about teachers. Even autobiographical ones. Those can be the very most interesting of all.
Wish me luck tonight, peeps. This is my first night since sleep returned when I have school the next day. I want my sleep back!
I'm now imagining I've offended some sleep god and they're tormenting me until I atone for my sleep sins. Two weeks without good sleep is too long for any healthy brain to function.
Wish me luck tonight, peeps. This is my first night since sleep returned when I have school the next day. I want my sleep back!
I'm now imagining I've offended some sleep god and they're tormenting me until I atone for my sleep sins. Two weeks without good sleep is too long for any healthy brain to function.
That is a good idea, Charlie. I'd never thought of that. I do spend at least an hour reading before I fall asleep, though. And I don't read school books, just pleasure ones so I can relax my synapses.
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to consider it.
Sweet dreams all.
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to consider it.
Sweet dreams all.
Oh Sally, I feel for you. I had such insomnia last Spring! Everyone had advice, but nothing could stop my head from spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning. Melatonin did nothing. Sleeping pills made me tired, but did not make me sleep. Fatigue made me more stressed, and it was a cycle that kept building and worsening.
Finally, my doctor gave me Attivan (anti-anxieties), which I took right before bed. It was awesome. I only had to take them a couple of weeks before my sleeping pattern was righted. Getting sleep helped me sleep...finally.
Finally, my doctor gave me Attivan (anti-anxieties), which I took right before bed. It was awesome. I only had to take them a couple of weeks before my sleeping pattern was righted. Getting sleep helped me sleep...finally.
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Books mentioned in this topic
Tempting the Bride (other topics)Tempting the Bride (other topics)
Control Freak (other topics)
2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl (other topics)
Fascinating yet absurd, IMHO
I did read 2012 The Return of Quetzalcoatl in hopes of finding something interesting, but I was hugely sorry I read it.
This was during my last bout of insomnia, so at least I don't feel that I wasted valuable waking hours. But it kind of freaked me out when at 4am he started espousing alien abduction as a means of enlightenment. He talks freely and at some length about his long history with psychedelic drugs, so it is amazing at all that he's retained the ability to write, much less theorize about the coming Mayan apocalypse.
*snicker*