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Does anyone else not like Ron Weasley?
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Lol it’s hilarious to see how the delusional Ron haters on this thread just conform to every expectation I have of them. I know they would just hang on to one or two incidents whilst completely ignoring the context and how things stand from Ron’s point of view or make up lies like Ron left because of jealousy. This is especially true for when Ron supposedly “abandoned” friends during the camping trip. Just one comment on it: Ron had FAR MORE to lose by going on that camping trip from hell (which btw only happened as a result of Harry’s incompetence and recklessness) than either Harry or Hermione so is it any wonder he bulked first?I like the idea from some haters that he needs to always remain a good friend to Harry. Did Harry remain a good friend to Ron in OotP? Nope. It’s all about himself.
Also don’t you think it’s rather hypocritical to say Ron put Hermione down whilst ignoring how many times Ron cared/comforted/praised Hermione AND how much times Hermione put Ron down? Yep, thought so. Guess someone can just find any excuse for their favourite character whilst putting down everyone else or assign Hermione as a prize to another man. Sigh…
The Slytherin fans who hate on Ron whilst ignoring the horrendous actions of the Slytherins characters in the books are probably biggest hypocrites on this thread though.
EDIT: Corrected grammar mistakes.
Torrent56 wrote: "Lol it’s hilarious to see how the delusional Ron haters on this thread just conform to every expectation I have of them. I know they would be just hang on to one or two incident whilst completely i..."I go by a general theory that the people who hate on Ron have forgotten what he was actually like in the books and are going based off of his character in the movies because, apart from the casting of him (Rupert Grint was the perfect choice), his character was annihilated by the films. They wrote him terribly.
They took all of his good moments and either gave them to Hermione or left them out completely, while at the same time they took out all of Hermione's bad moments because god forbid Hermione have any flaws. Prime example is in PoA, in the book, it was Ron who stood up on a broken leg and stood in front of Harry saying "if you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us too!", whereas in the movie Hermione said it while Ron sat in the background whimpering. They also portrayed it as if Ron was constantly being mean to her a belittling her which was not the case at all. Yes, in PS he made a comment about her (which she overheard) but that was after she'd been nothing but rude and condescending to him. After that incident, and after they became friends, they teased each other fairly often but it never went above friendly teasing and they both gave as good as they got, it's not like Hermione was some poor little victim. Plus, Ron was constantly praising her and standing up for her. He stood up for her against Snape and Draco and anyone else who tried to be nasty to her.
People also forget that this is the boy who at 11 years old became friends with the 'chosen one' even though he had nothing to gain from it (if anything he gave himself one more shadow to stand in). This is the boy who at 11 years old, told his Mum that Harry wasn't expecting gifts for Christmas so that she could send him some and he wouldn't have to go without. In that same year he was willing to sacrifice himself in the game of chess if it meant that Harry and Hermione could defeat Voldemort (for all he knew he could've been killed by that chess set). At 12, he broke his friend out of an abusive home and invited him into his family. At 13, he threw himself in front of who they thought was a mass murderer to protect his friend. Every year, he made sure to spend as much of the summer as possible with Harry. He made sure Harry never spent a Christmas alone or with the Dursleys.
On top of all that (because if I list every single thing Ron did that was actually great, I'll be here all day), just generally all the moments where he showed what a great friend he was and how genuinely nice, kind, and generous he was not only to Harry and Hermione but to the others as well. He was the one that encouraged Neville to stand up for himself and to other people. He always kind to Luna and open minded to her. He was never anything but kind towards Hagrid and always defended him against others.
I just don't think I'll ever understand how people can hate a character that so passionately cares about other people and that actually grows and learns as the series progresses just because of two things that he did wrong. Harry and Hermione both made mistakes and did things that were wrong but they get ignored. I love Harry and Hermione, as well, I really do but it really pisses me off when people refuse to see their flaws when they do nothing but point out Ron's.
Seriously, if all you can complain about Ron is that when he was 14 years old he got hormonal and let jealousy take over for a while (which he owned up to and apologised for) and that he had a moment of panic at 17 years old when he was on the run and let fear take over for a moment (again, which he owned up to and more than made up for when he returned and apologised) then I think that's a pretty great character over all.
The fact that Ron is realistically flawed makes him that much better and more interesting to read about. The fact that the entire main trio are flawed is what makes the books so incredible. Could you imagine how boring the series would be if all three of them were absolutely perfect in every way? How terrible those characters would be?
Hi Francesca, great post!I so agree with you about the movies. It’s no wonder so many people had no idea who Ron actually is. It’s probably not Grint’s fault how bad they are. I suspect they are popular partially because they gave us a lead male/female that everyone can root for.
“Yes, in PS he made a comment about her (which she overheard) but that was after she'd been nothing but rude and condescending to him. After that incident, and after they became friends, they teased each other fairly often but it never went above friendly teasing and they both gave as good as they got, it's not like Hermione was some poor little victim. Plus, Ron was constantly praising her and standing up for her. He stood up for her against Snape and Draco and anyone else who tried to be nasty to her.”
Sigh, it is standard practice for fanfic authors who are Ron haters to characterise Ron as an abuser to Hermione who can then run off to Harry or Draco or some random Slytherin’s waiting arms, urgh.
“People also forget that this is the boy who at 11 years old became friends with the 'chosen one' even though he had nothing to gain from it (if anything he gave himself one more shadow to stand in).”
I so agree with this. Some haters seem to think Ron was just there to bask in Harry’s glory when it just meant he was overshadowed. Not to mention he gave far more than he received from Harry. Why should he have to go through all this when he could have made friends with Seamus and Dean instead?
“He always kind to Luna and open minded to her.”
I agree with everything else you said but I did think that he was bewildered by Luna and said she had a rubbish sense of humour when they first met in OotP.
“I just don't think I'll ever understand how people can hate a character that so passionately cares about other people and that actually grows and learns as the series progresses just because of two things that he did wrong. Harry and Hermione both made mistakes and did things that were wrong but they get ignored. I love Harry and Hermione, as well, I really do but it really pisses me off when people refuse to see their flaws when they do nothing but point out Ron's.”
I agree. As for the hate, I read a theory that these people consider Harry and Hermione to be morally worthy characters while Ron is a morally unworthy character. Anything a morally worthy character did is OK while every little thing a morally unworthy character did was blown way out of proportion. Link: http://angua9.livejournal.com/204545....
“Seriously, if all you can complain about Ron is that when he was 14 years old he got hormonal and let jealousy take over for a while (which he owned up to and apologised for) and that he had a moment of panic at 17 years old when he was on the run and let fear take over for a moment (again, which he owned up to and more than made up for when he returned and apologised) then I think that's a pretty great character over all.”
Sigh, apparently this is proof according to some people on this thread that it meant Ron never learned anything at all in his life. Let’s just not mention how these two incidents are completely different and Ron was motivated by completely different factors.
The funny thing is that during the GoF incident Harry could have told Ron exactly what Dumbledore said (that someone entered him to try to kill him) and then everything would be fine; instead he got butthurt about himself and then threw a badge at Ron and everybody was OK with that. They also forgot how Ron still cared about Harry’s safety and wellbeing even when he was mad at him otherwise he wouldn’t go down the common room when Harry was talking with Sirius. They also forgot when Ron left during the camping trip he wanted to return instantly.
“The fact that Ron is realistically flawed makes him that much better and more interesting to read about. The fact that the entire main trio are flawed is what makes the books so incredible. Could you imagine how boring the series would be if all three of them were absolutely perfect in every way? How terrible those characters would be?”
Totally agree!
Torrent56 wrote: "I agree. As for the hate, I read a theory that these people consider Harry and Hermione to be morally worthy characters while Ron is a morally unworthy character. Anything a morally worthy character did is OK while every little thing a morally unworthy character did was blown way out of proportion. Link: http://angua9.livejournal.com/204545.... "Thank you so much for sharing that link, I just read it and found it fascinating. I also agree with the essay she's written because it certainly comes across that way. The pedestal that the fandom has Hermione on is ridiculous.
Francesca wrote: "Torrent56 wrote: "I agree. As for the hate, I read a theory that these people consider Harry and Hermione to be morally worthy characters while Ron is a morally unworthy character. Anything a moral..."No problem, glad you found it fascinating. Yes, I suppose if Ron is disloyal because of a couple of isolated incidents over the years then Hermione is not intelligent because she wasn't able to find out about the Conjunctivitis Curse and the Bubble Head Charm for Harry during the Triwizard Tournament and she did not get as many OWLs as Bill and Percy. Yet the same people have no problems saying she was the brightest witch of her age. Nice to see their hypocrisy.
I'm NOT a Ron fan. I just don't think he was a very good friend to Harry. Harry deserved better. And no, I'm no Harry/Hermione fan either. I'm all for Harry/Ginny.
Barbara wrote: "I'm NOT a Ron fan. I just don't think he was a very good friend to Harry. Harry deserved better. And no, I'm no Harry/Hermione fan either. I'm all for Harry/Ginny."If you're just going by a few instances to judge someone then could you tell me why is Ron a bad friend when he repeatedly put himself in mortal danger to protect Harry? Or is that no big deal to you?
Was Harry a good friend to Ron when he repeatedly yelled at Ron in OotP and insulted his Quidditch skills or laughed with Ginny at him in HBP by your logic? How often has Harry cared about Ron's personal life compared to the other way around?
Harry deserves better? Well there's just the fact that Harry didn't want to spend his spare time with other people but instead wishes to his time with Ron.
You can have your own opinion of Ron but don't say he was not a good friend unless you can explain why being willing to die for one's friend is not good and why all those amazing things Ron did in Francesca's post means he is still not good enough.
I agree with one of the original post. Ron grew up under 3 attention hungry brothers and a popular sister. Being in the shadow of Harry wasn't exactly what he would have wanted if given the option. With that being said, I agree that Harry was not always the best to Ron either. Especially in the early years as Harry was finding things out about himself and Ron asked what was wrong. All that matters is that in the end Ron saved Harry from the lake of ice when he needed him most, and stayed by his side to the end. Ron was not my favorite character, but I didn't dislike him either. Based on my beliefs and the other posts here, that is just who Ron is I believe. Somewhere in the middle and lucky to get the most awesome girl in the series.
I absolutely LOVE Ron!!!!!!! I respect all of your opinions, though.
Ron is a loyal friend but as he grew older, his jealousy and naivety towards Harry increased too. We could argue that was because he was young and he was always in the shadow of his siblings, and he is now in the shadow of Harry. To be honest I always liked Ron but his behaviour in the last couple books, where he was quite rude to Hermione and Harry, made me quite angry at him. Concerning his role, Ron does not really portray a hero and does not excel in anything apart from chess and being a keeper. However, I love Ronald and I never regretted JK Rowling's choice of creating such a great character. This is my current opinion and I respect anyone else too :)
B.M. wrote: "I agree with one of the original post. Ron grew up under 3 attention hungry brothers and a popular sister. Being in the shadow of Harry wasn't exactly what he would have wanted if given the option...."I would have respected their opinions as well if they weren't based on lies and delusions like Ron is a treacherous friend akin to Peter Pettigrew.
Sudiksha wrote: "Ron is a loyal friend but as he grew older, his jealousy and naivety towards Harry increased too. We could argue that was because he was young and he was always in the shadow of his siblings, and h..."
Interesting comment. I am glad you like Ron as well and agree Ron had significant flaws but parts of your comments is just wrong I am sorry.
His anger towards Hermione in HBP doesn't have very good justification I agree but it's nothing compared to how Hermione behaved. Ron got angry at Harry during the camping trip with good reasons. Harry simply didn't know what he was doing and wanted his friends to pretend nothing is wrong and continuously made bad decisions that endangered his friends.
However, nothing beats Harry's anger in OotP when all his friends were doing was trying to help him.
Ron's role is to be the emotional support for his friends and not any specific brilliant skills so he is never meant to be the hero. Anyway, even Harry our hero didn't really have that many special skills and relied a lot on luck (like the rather random wandlore rules) and friends to triumph over Voldemort.
Hmmm, yes I can see where you are coming from. I agree all characters in the books have their faults;Harry, Ron, Hermione etc. But that is what makes the characters more likeable, because they can relate to us and their tiny flaws makes us fall in love with them even more; since they seem more real and more amazing!
Yeah, I wouldn't want to read a book full of perfect characters either. Glad we agree.
I have no particular love or hate for Ron, but I despise harry himself. I know he's supposed to be someone the audience can relate to but hes just so bland and cocky.
I agree that this is exactly what makes this series so awesome. In the end you cared about everyone just as much as Harry! I'm a Longbottom fan. I believe in the end he was one of the major hero's, and I enjoyed all his crazy moments. I do wish he was Harry's sidekick instead of Ron.
B.M. Tolbert- Longbottom is one of those people who ALWAYS does the right thing. ALWAYS. One of those people with a solid moral compass that never quivers from North. He could never have been Harry's pal because of that. Harry/Ron are both flawed and their "darkness" makes the dichotomy of the pull. Longbottom IS a hero. I think the author said something very similar once. But books about Longbottom never sell nowadays. Now victims are the most admired in books and movies, and it's all about feelings and empathy and nothing about morality or reality of actions.
When you are much, much older- like I am- you see these teenaged characters completely differently than their peer group does. Ron is essential to the saga- too many reasons to list.
Khushi wrote: "Personally, I never liked Ron as much as any of the other characters. I think Ron wasn't very beneficial to the story, besides the fact of him being a good friend of Harry's. The story would've bee..."You can say the same thing for pretty anyone. As for not important, just think for a moment about the times when he offered the solution to the impasse they are facing or how miserable his friends were when he wasn't around. That should give you an idea of how, in your word, beneficial, he is.
Khushi wrote: "Torrent56 wrote: "Khushi wrote: "Personally, I never liked Ron as much as any of the other characters. I think Ron wasn't very beneficial to the story, besides the fact of him being a good friend o..."Well by the same logic without Ron Harry and Hermione couldn't get through the first book. They would be most likely have been killed by the troll in the girl's toilets. So not sure what does that prove.
This is sacrilegious! Ron was the person who kept the series lighthearted in the midst of tragedy. He was always so adorable and witty, making his way towards the top of my character list. Of course, this is only my opinion, but my VERY STRONG opinion. Ron is the best <3
Totally agree, GrangerGroupie7. Without Ron the entire scenario is way too heavy and also, IMHO, not age specific to "norm" teens. Hermione is 14 or 16 going on 40 and Harry is often dark as his legacy.
As one of five kids and under the care of parents that always told me to "find something to do or I'll put you to work" and "entertain yourself, I'm busy," I can totally relate to Ron. I have a brilliant brother working with web design. It's hard to live up to something like that, and sometimes I worry if I'll ever come close when I'm older. Growing up in his sibling's shadows (Charlie's a dragon trainer, Percy's managing a great job at the Ministry) must have really made Ron jealousy-prone. Having Harry, the alleged Chosen One, and Hermione, the 'brightest witch of her age,' as his best friends and seeing them accomplish great things without much need for his help probably only made him greener with envy. Rowling seemed to portray Ron as the comedy relief character, the loyal klutz that always had your back. He had his bad moments, the ones where his jealousy and self-doubt got the better of him. In the fourth book he practically abandoned Harry. But he's learned to control that feeling and accept that he has a different path and his talents lie elsewhere. Because let's face it, he's not as brave as Harry or as smart as Hermione. He shouldn't try and top them or act like them. I'm glad he doesn't. He has his own personality and he continues being in the Trio because they're good, rare friends that he likes being around. I think that's amazing because people like Draco Malfoy teased him for being the clumsy sidekick that couldn't do anything right. Personally, I like Ron. He has his ups and downs, but honestly he's such a funny and witty character and his humor never fails to lighten a dark situation that I can't hate him if I try. I can understand his conflicted feelings and I support him 100%.
I've never really been fond of Ron, yes he adds a comic element to the novels but I have always felt the odd one out because I don't think he's a fantastic character, he's deeply flawed and unreliable. He'd be a rubbish friend in real life- could you have read the books without Ron- maybe the twins befriend Harry? Does he add anything that is integral or that could not be passed off to another character?Thoughts?
Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "I've never really been fond of Ron, yes he adds a comic element to the novels but I have always felt the odd one out because I don't think he's a fantastic character, he's deeply flawed and unrelia..."All the main characters are deeply flawed, though. Harry and Hermione both have strong flaws and that's what makes them all great characters. If they didn't have any flaws they would be boring. I don't consider Ron unreliable. He flaked out twice in the seven years they all knew each other and both times he came back and apologised, not only does that show his immense loyalty (despite his moments of weakness) it also shows how big a person he is that he can admit when he's wrong and own up to it and apologise. The other two rarely ever admit when they're wrong, they just brush past it and don't bother with the apology.
Personally, I think of Ron as the integral part and I don't think there's any part of his character that could've been passed off onto other characters (as much as the movies tried to). His role in the group is the glue. As much as it doesn't seem like it at times, he is the one that holds them all together. Yes, Harry has the bravery and Hermione has the smarts but whenever Harry and Hermione were without Ron it didn't work, something was missing. Harry found her irritating and kind of boring for long periods of time with just her and Hermione felt the same way about him. Ron was the one who made them laugh, he was the one that grounded them. That might not seem like an important role but it is. Not to mention the fact that Ron is/was a lot smarter than anyone gave him credit for. He was lazy, sure, but he figured things out quickly and he certainly wasn't stupid (as much as, again, the movies tried to make him out to be). He was also basically the guide for all things in the wizarding world. Every time Harry or Hermione encountered something new, he was the one who explained it and helped them and the reader know what it was.
Also, 'he'd be a rubbish friend in real life'? Really? He was kind and generous, don't forget, it was Ron who time and time again sacrificed himself, faced his fears, or offered himself up to protect his friends. The chess game, willingly entering a spiders lair to help Hagrid and Hermione even though they are his biggest and most crippling fear, standing on a broken leg between Harry and Sirius when he thought Sirius was a murderer and saying 'if you want to kill Harry, you'll have to go through us', who even in his darkest moments of jealousy when he wasn't talking to Harry still made sure that Harry knew what the first task was so that he could prepare himself, who supported Harry through the entire Order of the Phoenix when so many people had turned their backs on him, who always defended Hermione against Snape and Draco and anyone else who tried to bully or belittle her, who always made sure that Harry had somewhere safe he could go in the summer and Christmas holidays, who made sure that a lonely 11 year old boy got Christmas presents because he knew he wouldn't get any from his 'family'. These aren't even all the examples I can give for just how great a character and friend Ron is but if I list them all I'll be here all day.
So, no, he may not be the smartest or the bravest and he may not be as glorified as Harry and Hermione but, yes, he is a fantastic character. He's a fantastic friend. He is integral to the plot and I definitely do not think any part of his character or contribution could be passed off to anyone else. It just would not be the same, it wouldn't feel right, and I don't think any of the other characters could've done what he did as well as he did.
Of course, this is just my opinion and you are free to disagree. I just felt the need to write a defence for Ron as I do think he gets the most hate from a lot of the fandom and I feel that most of it is unjustified.
Kudos, Francesca. He is exactly "the glue" and you've demonstrated why he is. I tried to say that in a different way quite earlier in this thread. There really is no trio success without Ron. And Ron's family too- it's the anchor.
Francesca wrote: "Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "I've never really been fond of Ron, yes he adds a comic element to the novels but I have always felt the odd one out because I don't think he's a fantastic character, he's de..."Francesca, I take your points and agree with most of them. Perhaps because Ron's character and my own are so similar I can be dismissive of the impact he can make on Harry and Hermione. Because of how built up in legend the novels are and how different the movies are- I think it has mixed people's opinions of Ron as they don't really understand him- we expect all of the characters to be legendary when Ron is probably the most down to earth and 'normal' (although there is no such thing), perhaps the most relatable and that's why so many people struggle to be fond of him because of this. Maybe there's a Ron in all of us and it's a bit we overlook as being 'normal' and not as revered as it should. Reading your reply I could sense I'd done some sort of injustice to you and I apologise if I offended you in any way. Perhaps I should re-read them again with this POV in mind, thank you for making me think of revisiting a classic.
Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "Reading your reply I could sense I'd done some sort of injustice to you and I apologise if I offended you in any way."Oh no, no, not at all. You didn't offend me and you didn't do any injustice to me. I apologise if the way I wrote my response made it come across like I was upset in some way, I honestly wasn't and you didn't do anything wrong. Your opinion is completely valid and I do respect it. I'm aware that I can come across quite strongly when sharing my opinions sometimes but it's not intentional and I never mean any harm by it, I just get quite passionate about certain things and I think that passion can be a bit intimidating sometimes in the way it comes out. I find that I often get defensive when it comes to Ron but I am aware that this comes from my own bias because not only is he my favourite character in the series but he is also the one I relate to the most so I feel a slightly stronger connection to him than the others. Again, though, I'm sorry if I caused you to worry or feel bad because that really wasn't my intention at all.
Francesca, there is truly no reason to apologise. Your impassioned response has made me want to re-read the series again. I agree with you that Ron is easily relatable now that I have re-thought some of the situations in the books- and often overlooked or manipulated by some fanfiction writers of which I can be found guilty of reading- I know the shame! Never feel like you have to apologise for feeling a certain way about something or someone and certainly not for expressing your opinions.
I see on your page you're currently reading Stephen King's IT- do you prefer the film or the book thus far? Just curious as I've never read a Stephen King novel being a bit of a wuss!
Have a fab week
I have read "The Shining" and seen the movie. Both scared the bejeezus out me! I liked the book more (usually do) but Nicholson really did do awesome!
And I totally agree with Francesca's views of Ron. I don't understand why Hermoine gets all the love. Yes she was very smart but she be a bit insufferable sometimes. And Harry did act like "the chosen one" sometimes, so that bothered me as well. In the movies, especially the latter ones, it's like Ron is an afterthought sometimes. Yes Harry and Hermoine were close but I always considered him and Ron a bit closer. Just my .02.
Kelly wrote: "And I totally agree with Francesca's views of Ron. I don't understand why Hermoine gets all the love. Yes she was very smart but she be a bit insufferable sometimes. And Harry did act like "the cho..."Thanks for the reply, Kelly. I agree that the movies often gave the impression that Ron was an afterthought and that's tainted my views of Ron. I am definitely going to re-read the series soon.
I must be honest Horror isn't my genre but I decided this year to read something that's out of my comfort zone of YA fiction. Any suggestions for someone trying to get back into reading and wanting to try something new?
Any suggestions would be gratefully received!
All the missing girls is a good psychological thriller. And the fever series is a good paranormal series. The shining was the only Stephen king I read. The girl on the train was good. A discovery of witches was a good series.
Kelly wrote: "All the missing girls is a good psychological thriller. And the fever series is a good paranormal series. The shining was the only Stephen king I read. The girl on the train was good. A discovery o..."Thanks for the recommendations, Kelly
Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "Francesca, there is truly no reason to apologise. Your impassioned response has made me want to re-read the series again. I agree with you that Ron is easily relatable now that I have re-thought so..."Oh, thank you! That's such a lovely compliment. No shame in reading fan fiction, I often read it myself (although not as much Harry Potter fan fiction as, like you also said, a lot of them tend to portray Ron in a very negative light which I don't enjoy reading).
As for IT, I've actually never watched the movie so I'm going into the book completely fresh and so far I'm loving it. My aim was the read the book before the new movie comes out in September and then I plan to watch both the original movie and the new one, which looks very good. My very first Stephen King book was Carrie which may be a good introduction as it is horror but it's not as scary as some of his other works, or at least I didn't think it was. He's also written a lot of non-horror books. I'd highly recommend Different Seasons which is a collection of 4 novellas and they're all truly excellent.
Kelly wrote: "And I totally agree with Francesca's views of Ron. I don't understand why Hermione gets all the love. Yes she was very smart but she be a bit insufferable sometimes. And Harry did act like "the cho..."I have never understood why Ron gets held to such a higher standard than Harry and Hermione. They all have flaws, they've all done or said silly or not very nice things at some points, none of them are perfect, yet Harry and Hermione get free passes on all their negative moments and traits but Ron doesn't. I don't get it.
Apart from the casting (because Rupert Grint was/is the perfect Ron Weasley IMO), the movies pretty much annihilated Ron as a character. They took away everything that made him great and they took all Ron's good moments and either got rid of them, changed them completely, or gave them to Hermione. They changed him from the kind and caring friend who makes jokes and just sometimes says the wrong thing to THE joke who doesn't care about anyone and says nasty things for no reason. I think the writers and the film makers didn't like Ron and it really shows.
Francesca wrote: "Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "Francesca, there is truly no reason to apologise. Your impassioned response has made me want to re-read the series again. I agree with you that Ron is easily relatable now th..."Thanks for the recommendations Francesca- I'm trying to get back into reading and am a little intimidated when I walk into a book shop as I don't really know where to start,
Stephen King might have to wait a bit, I've just discovered my 'secret' stash of books I've been hiding for when I felt inspired again!
As for Harry Potter- do you think the new illustrated versions are as good or better than the original novels given how it shows you what things and people look like rather than leaving it to the imagination? Just interested in your thoughts as a HP fan
Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "As for Harry Potter- do you think the new illustrated versions are as good or better than the original novels given how it shows you what things and people look like rather than leaving it to the imagination?"I haven't actually read the illustrated editions but I think they look beautiful. I think it's kind of hard for me to judge on whether or not it should be left to the imagination as I only really imagined my own characters and settings when I read the first book before seeing the first movie. Once I saw the movie it just kind of caused me to just usually picture the actors and actresses when I read the books as they came out. Although I have my issues with the movies, the casting and the set design are definitely not some of them. I think they cast perfectly and the sets all looked incredible.
I can't imagine anyone else playing any of the roles in the films, I think you're right that they got the casting perfect. I'm determined to read the first two books, illustrated versions, before the new one comes out as it's around the time of my birthday and the third book was always my favourite- do you have a favourite of the series? whether it be movie or book?Maybe I love the third book because of my love for Sirius! Who doesn't love a bad boy with a good heart?
Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "I can't imagine anyone else playing any of the roles in the films, I think you're right that they got the casting perfect. I'm determined to read the first two books, illustrated versions, before t..."My favourite book has always been Goblet of Fire, closely followed by Order of the Phoenix. Goblet just had everything I loved in it. I love Sirius, too! He's my favourite Marauder.
Goblet is my close second actually because I loved how much more of the magical world we got to see with the tournament and the tasks. Sirius is my favourite marauder but I must admit Charlie's my favourite Weasley and Luna probably my favourite overall character!
Ghostly_pale26 wrote: "Goblet is my close second actually because I loved how much more of the magical world we got to see with the tournament and the tasks. Sirius is my favourite marauder but I must admit Charlie's my ..."My favourite overall characters are Ron (as we've already established) and Hagrid, with Fred and George very close behind. Luna is also one of my favourites. Charlie Weasley is awesome and I feel like I would get along well with him.
I think Hagrid as a character is much overlooked, I adore the twins too but I think Charlie's job with dragons would be less annoying than a joke shop being pranked all the time. Is it wrong to also have a soft spot for Lucius Malfoy?Oh dear, maybe I'm destined for a bad boy!
I feel like if I knew Charlie well enough, he would be one of my favorite characters. If I worked with dragons, I would love it too! (Y'know, if I'm not burned to a crisp afterward.)
Bre wrote: "I feel like if I knew Charlie well enough, he would be one of my favorite characters. If I worked with dragons, I would love it too! (Y'know, if I'm not burned to a crisp afterward.)"I agree, Charlie was never really explored as a character in the books. I think I just like him because he's a rebel!
Who is your favourite character?
Francesca wrote: "Apart from the casting (because Rupert Grint was/is the perfect Ron Weasley IMO), the movies pretty much annihilated Ron as a character. They took away everything that made him great and they took all Ron's good moments and either got rid of them, changed them completely, or gave them to Hermione. They changed him from the kind and caring friend who makes jokes and just sometimes says the wrong thing to THE joke who doesn't care about anyone and says nasty things for no reason. I think the writers and the film makers didn't like Ron and it really shows. "Francesca, first I have to say that I totally agreed with everything you said on this thread but some of the things Rupert Grint said made me rethink how much he really knew how Ron is.
You know he once said that Ron wouldn't do his homework? Hello, when did Ron in canon not do as his homework? Sure, he might leave it to the last minute just like Harry would but I can't remember a single time when he did no homework at all could you? Also there was that infamous quote used by delusional haters that said Ron would be unemployed and living by himself (so what about his job at the Weasley's Wizarding Wheezes I wonder then). I know it's meant as a joke but then you have to wonder why is Ron the butt of the joke here.
The HP movies, at least compared to other fantasy adoptions to the big screen like LotR, read like bad fanfiction to me. I am glad they didn't win any Oscars to be frank.
I only didn't like him in the last few years because he was kind of selfish like in the fourth book hes mad at harry for entering the triwizard competition when he didn't even enter so he is not really a loyal friend.
Avani wrote: "Eh... he grew up under the shadow of not one, not two, but five older brothers, and he always harbored the want to be in the spotlight, like everyone has. Being best friends with Harry was the oppo..."I agree with you. Ron may seem kind of immature and he and Harry did get into fights frequently but he stuck with him throughout it all and ultimately helped Harry in his quest to defeat Voldemort. His sense of humor also keeps the book lighthearted.
Karson wrote: "I only didn't like him in the last few years because he was kind of selfish like in the fourth book hes mad at harry for entering the triwizard competition when he didn't even enter so he is not re..."He was not a loyal friend because of one episode of fight over several years? Wow, what does that make Harry in his fifth year then he was a horrible friend to both Ron and Hermione (too many examples to list). This is a typical example of hypocrisy.
All three of them , Hermione, Ron, and Harry have there bad sides though.
deleted user wrote: "All three of them , Hermione, Ron, and Harry have there bad sides though."That's true but it's hypocritical to bash Ron for his faults whilst ignoring the faults of the other twos. Some examples: Harry was the one to physically attack Ron with a badge during their fight (no matter what Ron did, he never did that) and Harry was the one who ordered Hedwig to peck Ron and Hermione in OotP. What gives him the right to do these things?
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