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A very good book. One of my favorite Rendell's."
Oh really?? awesome!! thanks. I do love her books so much...looking forward to this one.

I thought it was a harmless adventure book, but a terrible Holmes story."
yes I wondered what you would think - was it inauthentic or simply not up to the mark mystery wise?

The main character annoyed a lot of even female readers who claim she is a Mary Sue. That didn't bother me.
It was the fact that the writer depowered Holmes too much. Also the villain's motives were absurd. The villain's final act had a negative effect on the entire story. And the Mary Sue both liked and had disdain for Watson. I've seen worse reprises of Sherlock stories, though. So even if I have rated the book 1/5, I will have a brave stab at the second book in the series.


The main character annoyed a lot of even female readers who claim she is a Mary Sue. That didn't bother me.
It was..."
Well, I just finished The Beekeeper's Apprentice - I liked it. I didn't really think of it as a "Holmes" story per se, just as a mystery which has an older Holmes in it.
Luffy - I don't see how the villain's motives were absurd. Revenge for past wrongs (whether real or just perceived) is a classic motive! I did think that Watson wasn't as well done as either Holmes or Mrs. Hudson.
Holmes was portrayed as human, although of genius intelligence, rather than as a sociopath (as in several recent modernizations). Is that what you mean by "depowered"? I don't understand this word...



ok, Thanks for the advice!

Holmes was portrayed as human, although of genius intelligence, rather than as a sociopath (as in several recent modernizations). Is that what you mean by "depowered"? I don't understand this word... "
By depowered I mean that his intelligence is reduced. He is no longer pragmatic too. It was unbelievable how Holmes didn't remember to safeguard Watson against Miss Moriarty. Didn't you find that wrong?
Revenge is a good motive, but the personality of Miss Moriarty is too sanguine and not cerebral enough to leave the type of clues she left. I couldn't suspend my disbelief and every single main character in the book was found wanting.
Leslie - "depowered" is a typical superhero term. I think Holmes' reduction of powers would be same as if they depowered Superman by taking away his flying ability.

Enid Blyton is being censored by the US agencies. In her Faraway books, the Fanny character was renamed and e.g instead of Dame Slap slapping kids they made Dame Slap make the kids to stand in a corner. Avoid US versions like the plague.

Thanks for the explanation. I now have a new word in my vocabulary.
You are right that Holmes should have safeguarded Watson, Watson but while I was reading this didn't bother me. We must just agree to disagree about this...

I'll make sure to look for British editions! I don't know whether the US is censoring or the US publisher is trying to update & modernize but they should NOT tamper with the text.
I remember back in the 80s being very upset that publishers had "updated" Carolyn Keene's Nancy Drew books... I have a few that belonged to my Mom & a few from my own childhood, and was disturbed to find books with the same titles but different content...

I remember back in the 80s being very upset that publishers had "updated" Carolyn Keene's Nancy Drew books... I have a few that belonged to my Mom & a few from my own childhood, and was disturbed to find books with the same titles but different content... "
I think censorship will probably never go away. Sometimes it makes you feel like you're back in the 50's or something.

You are right that Holmes should have safeguarded Watson, Watson but while I was reading this didn't bother me. We must just agree to disagree about this... "
I'm glad that you liked the book. As for me, I'm really looking forward to meet someone whose taste is even remotely like mine.


Great book - one of my favorite Dickens :)


Julie, I just finished this one last week. I am very much looking forward to hearing what you think of it. Please let us know once you're done.

We just read "A Tale" in my inperson book club. So depressing yet so exciting. It's just like the start, "The best of times, the worst of times". It's a great book for discussion.




Thanks so much for recommending this series. Read the first one Dying in the Wool and can't wait to read the next.


Julie, I just finished this one last week. I am very much looking forward to hearing what..."
I really enjoyed it! I haven't kept up with the series by reading them all in order, so some things were not clear to me about Duncan and Gemma's private life, but the mystery was stellar.


Cindy - could you please include the book title in your posts? Thanks



Me too!! And I have a big ol crush on Mike Burden...I dunno why...he's so rigid!!! Maybe that's why!! lol

Interesting! I enjoyed reading it, because I love this ensemble of characters, but I was disappointed in the "mystery," because I thought it was very obvious very early on whodunnit. I think Crombie has many others in this series that are stronger in this regard. In particular, the last one (No Mark Upon Her) was a lot more "mysterious."
Did you see the surprise ending coming (not whodunnit -- the other surprise)?


I so agree with you about the Pigeon Pie book. It left me no incentive to read her other ones.

I also love the Lovesey books - have all of them


I have Swan Song sitting on my living room table, waiting for me to get to it... which one comes after it, Holy Disorders?


It certainly is, you have good taste in books.

The ending completely blew me away, Penny. I didn't see it coming.

I am just going to start The Mammy The reviews look great and it looks fun.

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