Anyone else just hate this series?

[Hannah]

I know, I know, but before you break out the pitchforks and torches hear me out. I liked The Hunger Games and loved Catching Fire, and up until that point I liked all the characters (except for Gale. I never liked him). But by the end of Mockingjay, I hated every character but Finnick and Peeta. I felt like Katniss was very power-hungry and almost on a bit of a blood-lust at the end. Anyway, she finds a way to treat everyone like crap, so you know, I constantly wanted to slap her. Gale is the exact same just ten times as bad. I know the sheer idea was brilliant but I feel the characters were poorly executed. Am I alone on this one? I am? K, that's what I thought.....

[Hannah]

I try my best to understand everyone's opinion, because everyone feels differently about differen things.
I hope to be a published writer someday, and when I work on my writing, I want people to be able to hate and love my characters.
So what I understand from you, Hannah, is that you don't necessarily hate the series, more that you hate the personality of some of the characters.
Not every character can be 'perfect' or meet everyone's standard of a good character.
I might just be reading your opinion wrong though, so feel free to correct me.

[Hannah]

Anna-Cosette wrote: "I try my best to understand everyone's opinion, because everyone feels differently about differen things.
I hope to be a published writer someday, and when I work on my writing, I want people to be..."

Actually that's exactly what I'm trying to say! And I know that perfect characters don't really exist. Plus how boring would that be? Anyway, I just hated how politically driven they were. It got in the way of their relationships and truly is what turned me off from this series. As an aspiring author myself I completely agree: Characters are to be loved and hated. It's all in the interpretation.

[Michael]

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[Stephanie]

I respect all of your opinions but I have to say that I strongly disagree. I loved all the characters but hated certain things about them. Well, besides the ones like Snow and Coin who were easy to hate for obvious reasons.
Katniss was cold towards people even though she loved them for a reason. People she loved disappeared, like her mother and her father so she found it hard to love and was cold instead. I get that and loved the rest of her personality so she was one of my favorite characters. Hannah, at the end if you're referring to her "blood-lust" as when she killed Coin, then I don't understand. Coin wanted to put the Capitol kids through what the District kids had gone through. Make them suffer as they did in punishment for what their parents had done. Just like what the Capitol did to the districts. There would be no change in Panem then; just a switch between the Capitol as the strong to now the Districts as strong. Katniss saw this and killed Coin to save so many others. I was happy she did it. Two wrongs can never make a right in any world.

Gale, when he was in the books, had a strong hate for the government. He hated what they had made him and his family into and let that be known throughout the books. To him, his hate and anger came first which I never liked about him but I always respected his dedication to do something about it. He wasn't a favorite of mine, but he was there for Katniss and her family so I appreciated him I suppose!

The rest; Finnick, Peeta, Cinna and even Prim, were easy to love. I think the author made them that way because in the dark Panem, they were nice to see. The characters in this book, at least I thought, were so realistic. The author did an amazing job!

[Hannah]

I thought the first and second book the characters were really good but the third book they all went a little crazy and lost there way it was such a disappointment for me

[An-chan]

I thought all other characters, even Gale with his destructive anger (name is an omen much?), were well rounded, but I have to admit I didn't really like Katniss that much. In the beginning, she was very cold and calculating, and I looked forward to seeing her grow as a person. I didn't like how much the first book underlined the fact she was a victim and her life sucked, and it being from Katniss's own narration, it made me feel like she was kind of... whiny? I mean, yes, she had all the reason to, but it's still not the most entertaining thing to read.

In the second book, I enjoyed her character development very much, only to be disappointed at her behavior for the entire third book. She spent it running away, doing nothing for the people she loved, and avoiding all and any responsibility. Peeta's fate bothered her, but she did nothing. The society at 13 bothered her, but she did nothing. Even as she properly became the Mockingjay, she kept hiding and running away from the reality. And, when they finally brought Peeta back and he was changed, instead of trying to help him or something like that, she started running away even harder.

And when she finally DID do something, it was lying, cheating, and bringing other people to practically pointless danger without their knowledge, as if she had absolutely no respect for anyone but herself. And, much to my shock, she actually killed an innocent person. Two times she made it through the Hunger Games without becoming a murdered needlessly, something we all looked up to her for, and then she just brought it all down like that? The third book made me extremely, extremely angry at her so many times. I agree that some characters you're supposed to hate, and you love to hate them, but I don't think you're supposed to want to slap the main character as many times as I wanted to slap Katniss.

I was also sort of disappointed that we didn't get to see any of her healing process, but that's that. I am glad she got a happy ending. I just wish she had done more herself to actually reach it instead of just flee from everything until Peeta forced her to stop.

[Fallon]

I love the characters and all of the books

[Rashika (is tired)]

okay honestly the last 1/4th of the book killed the series for me.. and also the part where she kills finnick.
and in the end she kills Prim and oh she made Katniss hate gale.
even though i was team gale some part of me always knew it was going to be peeta and katniss and i accepted that.. i dont think there is anything wrong with that.. but i didnt want her to cut gale of completely and blame him for what happened to prim. I mean give the poor guy a break.. for starters he should be the one pissed at her and not her pissed at him.

[Ms.]

A bit.

[Jo]

Hannah wrote: "I know, I know, but before you break out the pitchforks and torches hear me out. I liked The Hunger Games and loved Catching Fire, and up until that point I liked all the characters (except for Gal..."

Exactly, that's the beauty of the book. She's more of an anti-heroine at soul, which makes Collins make us ponder about so-called heroes.

[Kyle]

I believe that the characters in Mockingjay went "crazy" because they were in a war. I think there might be a relationship between this series and "All Quiet on the Western Front". War causes immense mental and psychological changes in people. After everything Katniss has been through, I don't know that she really could have a positive character development. She was put through to games (both times were stacked against her) and then put into a war for no reason other than being hope. She was being used the entire time as a symbol to her nation. Then there was the idea to kill her because it would give the revolotionary forces their last will to take the Capital and avenge her death. I think she grew exactly as any person would. This series wasn't meant to be a fairy tale but rather a futuristic book that shows the consequences of war.

War is made out to be glorious and heroic, but if you ask any soldier that has fought, they'll tell you it is the farthest thing from glamorous. I think Suzanne Collins was trying to instill that idea into the minds of the youth.

I hated the ending to the series at first, but after my years of literature and after the numerous books I've read about how war "really is," I think the idea of this series came to me. It isn't supposed to be a "happily ever after" ending like the Twilight series, Suzanne Collins sculptured the realistic ending. There were too many deaths and changes in people on Katniss's hands for her to just push past and be a totally new and lovable character. I don't think anyone would want to live after all of that, nor would they want the "beautiful" life or "American Dream" life. Most people would want to sit and think/dwell and take a long time "pissing and moaning" (why me) before they could start to get back to living. Then there is too much guilt to just be pip and cheery and to live a glamorous life, no matter how deserving s/he is of that life, it would be too difficult. And what about the people that are dead because of her defying the capital in the first games? How can someone live well knowing they've caused many innocent deaths? It is the perfect ending if you ask me.

[Hannah]

Arina wrote: "I'm with Hannah, pitying the poor execution of a great idea. Collins' writing has personality, it's light and catchy but lacks of structured profoundity in my opinion. That's why I feel it was writ..."

I feel like she could of tied up loose ends much better and feel the last book was written in a rush.

[Jo]

Kyle wrote: "I believe that the characters in Mockingjay went "crazy" because they were in a war. I think there might be a relationship between this series and "All Quiet on the Western Front". War causes imm..."

I agree. Very much so.

[Rashika (is tired)]

Hannah wrote: "Arina wrote: "I'm with Hannah, pitying the poor execution of a great idea. Collins' writing has personality, it's light and catchy but lacks of structured profoundity in my opinion. That's why I fe..."
i agree

[Rashika (is tired)]

Kyle wrote: "I believe that the characters in Mockingjay went "crazy" because they were in a war. I think there might be a relationship between this series and "All Quiet on the Western Front". War causes imm..."

good point.... i hated the ending at first as well.. but i think i am starting to realize why she did that

[Nicki]

Kyle wrote: "I believe that the characters in Mockingjay went "crazy" because they were in a war. I think there might be a relationship between this series and "All Quiet on the Western Front". War causes imm..."

I couldn't have put ANY of that better myself. I love the ending because it is reasonably believable. What if Suzanne Collins would have thrown in a "happy" ending? That would have absolutely ruined the entire series.

[Kyle]

Thanks for the support. I think the happy ending of Twilight ruined the series for me. I still enjoyed the books, but the end was a buzz kill to me. I never felt that with Mockingjay and I now understand why: the series ended reasonably and whether you love or hate Katniss, she goes through a lot during the books and shouldn't be "happy".

I don't think any one should not like the entire series because of how it ended. I agree that the very end of the book is difficult to read, but it is that way for a reason. I hope that everyone can come to see it that way, it can be the difference between making and breaking the series in some people's minds.

[David]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, its to great to hate how can anyone hate this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Monica]

I hate the last book(not bc of the ending it was just a boring book to me) and disliked the love triangle it took from the story but i loved book 1 and enjoyed book 2 and threw book 3 at my wall. So as a series i have to rate it a 3 and i will read the author again.

[Monica]

I liked the Hunger Games enough to want to read Catching Fire.Is it just me or did the books get worse as they go? I couldnt even bring myself to finish Mockingjay.

[Bri]

hahha ya good one on putting the part to not take out the pitchforks and torches... not that i would have done that ... *nervous laugh* haha *hides pitchfork behind a tree*

[Hannah]

Bree wrote: "hahha ya good one on putting the part to not take out the pitchforks and torches... not that i would have done that ... *nervous laugh* haha *hides pitchfork behind a tree*"

Haha thanks!

[Liz]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love this series I could never hate it! Even though mockingjay wasn't as good it was still the best 3 books ever!

[Amber]

I also didnt care much for Mockingjay, and it wasnt the ending.

It was the whole book, Katniss just became some weird Celebrity. Like she was supposed to be some sort of Che Guevara but without any of the brains and cultural intellect it takes to devise her own actual plan....which lead to her fallback on District 13 making everything up and her just standing around lookin' pretty. Or whatever.


Not to mention - why the hell would Katniss help District 13 in the first place? So they can be the new Capital City? Those people were more controlling and communist than the Government she was trying to get away from...so you're going to trade 24 dead kids a year for an entire cosmopolitans freedom of choice? You all wear the same uniforms, we'll say what you do for a living, we'll say what you eat and how much....

That doesnt seem much better to me.

I dont know just didnt make any sense why she was going along with all this - when in the last two books she seemed to be one of the only characters that would go against the flow if she thought something wasnt right.

If this was supposed to be PTSD, I think it was done poorly.

[Melissa]

Hannah wrote: "I know, I know, but before you break out the pitchforks and torches hear me out. I liked The Hunger Games and loved Catching Fire, and up until that point I liked all the characters (except for Gal..."i comepletely agree with you.i always hated gale and katniss acted like a brat in the end of the last one.but i absolutly loved the 1rst 2:)

[Hannah]

Melissa wrote: "Hannah wrote: "I know, I know, but before you break out the pitchforks and torches hear me out. I liked The Hunger Games and loved Catching Fire, and up until that point I liked all the characters ..."

I felt like Gale had sadistic and narcissistic tendencies that had lied dormant up until Mockingjay.

[Kyle]

Amber wrote: "I also didnt care much for Mockingjay, and it wasnt the ending.

It was the whole book, Katniss just became some weird Celebrity. Like she was supposed to be some sort of Che Guevara but without a..."


I think she was being smart by joining District 13. The only way to overthrow the all powerful government would be to join the others that already have an army and weapons to help you fight. She blantantly didn't enjoy her time in District 13 (hence why she used to sneak out to the woods as much as she could), but she knew that it was the only way for her to save her family and friends. Her goal all along was to create a different governmenth after the revolution ended. I belive there is a point in the book where Katniss says that she hopes Coin doesn't try to become a dictator (or something to that effect).

The only reason she stood and looked pretty was because it was what she had to do to help the revolution and Haymitch was telling her that she had to "look pretty." It was the best thing for her to do without dying on the frontline as a soldier (and thus ruining the hopes of the revolutionary fighters). She had come to trust Haymitch enough to believe that he was telling her the best thing, in his mind, that she could do was play along. It follows the line in Invisible Man, "agree 'em to death and destruction, let 'em swoller you till they vomit or bust wide open" (somewhere in the prologue if I rememeber correctly). She is playing a dangerous game by doing what they ask of her, but she is also preparing to undermine them (killing Coin). What she was really doing was gaining their trust, but not in a tradtional way and not the way she would have--as it was Haymitch that was telling her to do what they say. Their trust was being put in that all she was after was killing Snow (as was her at the time), but Haymitch knew that she would come out in the end and realize what Coin was really doing and the she was more dangerous than Snow in the end.

I'll agree with you that it wasn't right or any better under Coin's rule, but for the revolutionary forces to split into two groups: one with the token piece to starting the war but no weapons or bases of any kind (not to mention food or ways of hiding a large number of people) and the other a group of well trained, well equiped and well fed soldiers/technicians/inventors would have been completely counter-prouductive. So, the playing along was a better alternative.

As for the PTSD, I'm not saying I know how that works or that it is exactly that (although I am taking that as a sign that you read at least part my post above, thank you) but I am going to stick with the "it is different for everyone and I think that I would be a no better than that had I gone through all the fighting and losing one of my brothers because of something I started. And she did start the war for a lot of her own personal reasons, which I think is what bothers her most, she started this war for herself and ended up losing her sister (the person she loved most). I'd be devastated too and probably sulk and moan for a good portion of eternity. It isn't something to just "get over" like a hurdle. It is something that has to be pushed through, but hurts so bad to touch that diving into it is practically diving straight into the worst of hell's infernos (or the Pit of Tartarus/whatever else your views lead you to conclude). I think the character was beautifully developed even though it is very depressing. I agree that it is incredibly difficult to read and seems vastly over-blown, but I think that it is accurate and quite eye-opening with the right perspective.

I don't mean for anything to sound bad or be offending in any way either, I'm open for a fun discussion, but if you are going to use name calling or any other means of self-destruction in your argument please just don't respond. However, if you can trump any of my points or show a point-of-view I have skipped, I would love to read it and see if I can come up with anymore points as well.

[Dani]

I liked the series, I absolutely loved the Hunger Games, and was slightly disappointed with Catching Fire as a sequal but it was written well, but as for Mockingjay, I was severly disappointed, although the ideas were good, I'm not one for books on war, and I felt this was mainly that and was glad to finish it. It would probably have been a better idea to have not made the books into a trilogy and left it at the first as the writing (I felt) became poorly written. I was expecially disappointed with how Prim's death was handled, since Rue's death which was beautiful and made me cry, I was disappointed that Prim's was not the same, having had been Katniss' sister, she didn't appear to mourn for long enough in my opinion. I also did start to hate Katniss towards the end, of how she chose Peeta purely because Gale had gone off to district 2.

[Amber]

Kyle wrote: "Amber wrote: "I also didnt care much for Mockingjay, and it wasnt the ending.

It was the whole book, Katniss just became some weird Celebrity. Like she was supposed to be some sort of Che Guevara..."

Hey no worries man - I was hoping to get a decent discussion going. I love throwing out opposing view points. Sometimes I cuss a bit, but I try to keep it PG-13.

You're post was great and well thought out. (First point of business LOL)

Now - back to point by point argument :)

I think she was being smart by joining District 13. The only way to overthrow the all powerful government would be to join the others that already have an army and weapons to help you fight.

I agree if you wanted to go about overthrowing a Government its good to have weapons and allies that can help you out. But through the whole series Katniss never wanted to overthrow the Capital. She just wanted to be left alone and for things to go back to normal. I mean - yes after District 12 was destroyed she became more emotionally involved in the idea of getting rid of the capital, but I felt more like she blamed herself on that front. This part just seemed totally choppy to me - because Collin's took a character, the main character, who never wanted anything to do with overthrowing the Government, only to be left in peace, and made her some poster girl for rebellion without much background build. Just seemed like she slapped that all together and didnt really invest in Katniss emotionally development. She never wanted or cared about rebellion - she just wanted to kill Snow so he couldnt mess with her head anymore.
Maybe you can build on the idea that she did this all because Haymitch told her too, but that also seems like weak character build to me, considering that she always took Haymitch with a grain of salt up until that point. I guess he did end up saving her - but how do you just put all your trust in a guy who lets your closest companion be left behind? Especially when it seems apparent it was all being done just to build emotional drama for the Rebels. These are the sorts of things that bothered me about this installment to the series. Katniss character build just went in a complete different direction, which would have been fine, except I feel Collin's didnt invest the time to write out exceptable reasoning, or convey the idea of insanity - at least with Katniss. She did do pretty good with Finnick, I thought, his character build was short, but it was good and obvious that he would join any team good or bad if it meant getting Annie out of torment. Katniss's character just didnt have that 'air' about her in my opinion.

Haymitch knew that she would come out in the end and realize what Coin was really doing and the she was more dangerous than Snow in the end.

More like Haymitch hoped. He couldnt have known that Katniss would come to this conclusion. I liked Haymitch's character, but this is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about when I say, it makes no sense for Katniss to just jump into full fledge "trust whatever Haymitch says" mode. Haymitch had been playing Katniss and Peeta off eachother the entire series, often to one or the others dismay or frustration. So why does she suddenly just do what everyone says to? I guess peer pressure seemed like the best answer to me, when I read it, and I thought that was a pretty weak and b.s. plot device. At least in comparison to the previous books which I thought were fairly strong.

And she did start the war for a lot of her own personal reasons, which I think is what bothers her most, she started this war for herself and ended up losing her sister

See I was with you on the PTSD up until this point. Maybe she was experiencing something like this. The times she spends alone and hiding and all the dreams suggest she was suffering from this sort of thing. But at the same time, I didnt feel it translated well into her actually text where she interacts with other characters. One minute she's hiding in a closet thinking about all the shit that went down, the next minute she's fine. I dont know - maybe thats how PTSD works, but felt weird to me. (Which I guess could have been the point, I concede that) However, I dont agree that Katniss "started the war." Districts were already on the verge of rebellion. Katniss was just being herself and trying to do the right thing by herself and her family. I just feel like saying she started the war is a total cop out. I'd love to read what you think her personal reasons were. From what I got out of the story, she never wanted a rebellion, she just wanted things to go back to normal, she never wanted some giant house, she never wanted to go about the districts for her victory tour, she wanted to be left alone. But - all these other people wanted the rebellion. If anyone caused the war to get a kick start - in my opinion, it would be Haymitch. He played her and Peeta all the way to the end, and I think you could say he was sort of an Anti-Hero of the whole series. On one hand he's a good guy, but on the other he's sort of conniving.

Anyway - hope I didnt bore you to death LOL. I get a little long-winded. Just my point of view, would love to keep discussing - feel free to say whatever, I'm not here to TROLL, just to express different POV's.

and @ Danielle - I really sort of felt that way about Katniss at the end also. Really seemed like she just Peeta because it was easiest. I felt like that was the climatic build of her character.

"Well guys, she was a pretty cool chick in the beginning, but now, things have been so hard for her, that whenever she see's an easy route, she flippin' takes it."

I never understood why she couldnt let herself love Peeta the way he really deserved, but then again, I dont really have the same sort of "daddy issues" as the character so it's a hard to get into that mind set.

[Nasseem]

Okay. The first two books were awesome. Then came Mockingjay. I did not like the book. Too sad and too gruesome. The ending was also a bit too weird for me. wont say more.

[[deleted user]]

hmm...this is the first book in which i have no profound feelings for any character, i loved and hated each and everyone one of them at various points in time. yet, the ironic thing is that i love the book because of the fact that the characters each had some very human elements in them ;even stranger, is the fact that even though i am indifferent about the characters, i would defend them in a discussion ( i know weird; i guess its because they seem so human and therefore i see them as human...make sense?);also the book itself spoke of so many issues that face us today, and makes us wonder about what we're doing, and where we are headed, and also how war affects ppl.

[Nicki]

rawr? wrote: "hmm...this is the first book in which i have no profound feelings for any character, i loved and hated each and everyone one of them at various points in time. yet, the ironic thing is that i love ..."

Right? This is the first book I've read that has lingered in my mind so long. Something is so... real about it. I have to keep reminding myself it's fiction but you're right, the issues themselves are real in the world.

[Amber]

Nicki wrote: "rawr? wrote: "hmm...this is the first book in which i have no profound feelings for any character, i loved and hated each and everyone one of them at various points in time. yet, the ironic thing i..."

Have to agree with this sentiment.

I mean in the world we have places like America where things are very plentiful and we can get pretty much anything we need at the touch of a button to third world countries that cant even get water to stay alive.

Pretty screwed up actually. But I dont know if I'm ready to stand for NWO, LOL.

[David]

The Overall series was good.
Hunger Games was good.
Catching Fire was great.
Mocking Jay.... Not so good.

[[deleted user]]

Amber wrote: "Nicki wrote: "rawr? wrote: "hmm...this is the first book in which i have no profound feelings for any character, i loved and hated each and everyone one of them at various points in time. yet, the ..."

oh no! not NWO lol with NWO we might just end up like panem :S.

i was actually thinking more on an individual level.


hm this is completely out of topic but it's in my head so i'll just type it :).there is this psychologist called freud, and he stated that there is part of our subconsicous that protects us from the true nature of humanity and the way the world works;because we as humans cann't handle it, and if we attempt to, we suffer mentally.

i think that theory really rings through when you consider how many realistic issues are looked at in the book; and thats just a certain number of issues, not all.

[Amber]

From some people's perspective they are already living in a world like Panem

NWO would probably sound great or even better to them.

But to people like you and I in obviously more stable environements it would be pretty crappy.

If you really want to get down to it, we are more like the Capital City than vice versa. Not everyone in that city was a bad guy, not even half, probably not even 80%. Really even in reality most people feel little concern for the 100's of people who are brutally murdered and starving slowly in Africa.

I mean - how many times have you thought about the 10 year old who crafted your Nikes for 35 cents?

[Trinity]

I don't understand what they were doing in Mockingjay. Why did they start a rebellion? I just forget what happened because I read it a long time ago, and I don't want to read it again.

[Amber]

Oppression primarily.

But the tipping point was pretty much the "quarter quell" I thought.

[Jo]

Hannah wrote: "I know, I know, but before you break out the pitchforks and torches hear me out. I liked The Hunger Games and loved Catching Fire, and up until that point I liked all the characters (except for Gal..."

From what I remember she is traumatized, probably going through PTSD. Because from what I remember doesn't she break down where she doesn't even talk and is trying to focus on who she is so she doesn't forget? War does crazy things to a person they don't always come back out nice and pretty.

Her world is literally flipped, she is dragged thru the hunger games, sees people die, then is used as a pawn in a war by Coin. And, then her love-interest is brainwashed "hijacked" her sister is killed and she sees people DIEEEE almost all throughout this book. No one comes out of these things without being mentally fudged for awhile. S

[[deleted user]]

Amber wrote: "From some people's perspective they are already living in a world like Panem

NWO would probably sound great or even better to them.

But to people like you and I in obviously more stable environem..."

yeah some ppl do think NWO exists right now, and i can see why they think that; but honestly i think that the media keeps us in check.( by media i mean war correspondents etc not celebrity)i mean, yes, some of the media coverages maybe crap, but i think that there's a portion thats reliable and does provide proper information on issues. also i think that ppl are generally aware of the world. even if their nose is stuck on FB or twitter or youtube all day; information does get around, and ppl do react to it once they have enough motivation.

[Rashika (is tired)]

Faith wrote: "I hate this series and everything about it simply because it's becoming a teenage obsession like twilight. Although it is way better than twilight , the hunger games isn't something special really ..."

OMG SOMEONE understands me!!! i used to love the series.. and then you see all the fangirls acting like its the best thing out there.

[Dani]

It's pretty much since the film came about that all this mainstream shit started, I hate to say, I was a part of it for a short time. Although I think it's died down, until all the films have been done the 'fangirling' will be done with too.

[Amber]

rawr? wrote:yeah some ppl do think NWO exists right now, and i can see why they think that; but honestly i think that the media keeps us in check.( by media i mean war correspondents etc not celebrity)i mean, yes, some of the media coverages maybe crap, but i think that there's a portion thats reliable and does provide proper information on issues. also i think that ppl are generally aware of the world. even if their nose is stuck on FB or twitter or youtube all day; information does get around, and ppl do react to it once they have enough motivation.



I dont know if I can agree with your sentiment. The media is overrun with bias and propaganda. Media Outlets live for ratings, it's controversial just how much coverage is done correctly. Misinformation runs rampent through the media, thats something especially clear during election years, like now. Or for another example - give this a read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_co...

Independent media coverage is so sparse and difficult to locate navigationally, that you'd honestly probably have to know to look for it if you wanted information from such an outlet.

And I think you hit the nail on the head when you said people do react when they are given enough motivation. American's are pretty desensitised, we spend the majority of our lives in complete awareness that most of the people in this world are living in standards way, way below ours, yet we feel little need to change that and argue how it's not our responsibility - simply because we live on another chunk of rock. How much motivation it takes, is extreme. There are people on this planet that would fight to the death to get a chance to live in District 12 and eat dog stew.

[[deleted user]]

Amber wrote: "rawr? wrote:yeah some ppl do think NWO exists right now, and i can see why they think that; but honestly i think that the media keeps us in check.( by media i mean war correspondents etc not celebr..."

i wasn't referring to just news ( I should have clarified that). i think that there are a lot of investigative reporting done, but not necessarily on news reports. I was actually referring to for example; a documentary.

Regardless, you're right in saying that ppl do have to be active in looking for impartial information, but they also have to look at it from different angles, and from different sources, because no one form of media; or one angle as a matter of fact, can bring out the complete truth on one particular issue.


But I like to also point out, that because news reporters are looking for higher ratings, how likely (or openly) would, lets say a politician, be able to engage in some illegal activity without fear of the media? Yes, they sometimes use bribery etc., but can they bribes all the media sources? No, so when it does happen, and when it comes to light, other media sources snatch it up and broadcast it (world wide), people do become aware, and once people become aware, there can be a change, regardless of how small, there will be a change in the perception of ppl. Now i'm not saying that the media is perfect, honestly I think that there is a boat load of crap being broadcast at any one time of the day. But the fact media can create such a focus on any one issue, can affect ppl (weather its for the better or for the worse, we as individuals have to determine that), and because of that ability, the media can keep ppl , maybe not completely in line ( 'cause some ppl just wanna be on tv), but it can present information ehich can allow us to begin to think, and we begin to feel, and we begin to wonder about what exactly is going on, and eventually, if we are motivated enough, we would be able to act.

[Amber]

@ Rawr.

I think we primarily agree with eachother, but you have way more faith in the media and the Government than I ever will. LOL :)

I dont think they're quite as hefty a checks and balance system as you seem too, but I concede that it's really a matter of opinion.

[Ria]

the ending was awful :/

[Andrea]

Really? I thought Mockingjay was very interesting. I did, how ever, find Catching Fire extremely boring. Mockingjay was much better than Catching Fire! I'm probably alone on this one, though

[Hannah]

Hannah wrote: "I thought the first and second book the characters were really good but the third book they all went a little crazy and lost there way it was such a disappointment for me"

I agree with you... I loved the first and second book, but then Mockingjay changed everyone and I didn't like it, but I still enjoyed the book even if I wasn't completely satisfied at the end.

[Ria]

Hated it!!! Just the way it ended but i enjoyed the read