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Mar 15, 2017 04:30PM
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4triplezed wrote: "Probably rain."Raining at the moment here in Canberra but forecast down there is for 32 degrees and 10% chance of rain, packing some shorts and thongs :)
'Aussie Rick' wrote: "4triplezed wrote: "Probably rain."Raining at the moment here in Canberra but forecast down there is for 32 degrees and 10% chance of rain, packing some shorts and thongs :)"
Send the rain to drought ridden Qld Rick. My tank has been empty for too long.
The over arching question 'bout AR's trip is "When does the raid on his Wine Cellar and Library begin?" :)Somebody has to read all of those books he hasn't gotten around to reading :D
'Aussie Rick' wrote: "I'm going to be away for a few days, going on a road trip with my father to visit a military vehicle gathering in rural New South Wales:https://www.corowaswim-in.org/
I should be back on Sunday ..."
Okay I promise no breaking anything in your Library. And this time I will bring replacement bulbs for the lamp. Sorry I left that one dark last time.
LOL
The library and wine cellar are both in safe hands, l left my wife at home with the dog :)
'Aussie Rick' wrote: "The library and wine cellar are both in safe hands, l left my wife at home with the dog :)"oh, then I am okay. The dog likes the Steak I bring. LOL. The wife might be a tad tricky. Guess I will have to use the Gas Leak option. Wonder if I can find an Aussie uniform for that kind of an inspector. Hmmm?
She also has a sawn off shotgun handy and knows how to use it Dj. :)
'Aussie Rick' wrote: "She also has a sawn off shotgun handy and knows how to use it Dj. :)"Oh come on I am sure that your wife is more intelligent than that. Why not give her an Uzi. They are much more fun to shoot and cause less damage to things like your wrist, shoulder, house, well maybe not that last one. LOL.
We have very strict gun laws in Australia, can't get away with owning a Uzi but no issues with a good ole shotgun :)
Gun Control Laws? Hmmm, might not be a bad idea at that. Although I had best not say that too loud or someone in the god ole US of A will think to impinge on my right to free speech by lynching me. Gotta love it. To be honest the cost of the plane ticket deters me from coming over and reading in your library more than the shotgun. LOL
Good points Dj. :)
Manray9 wrote: "Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "For any jazz lovers in the group: Summertime from Gershwin's Porgy and Bess is certainly a jazz standard. There are many great renditions, ..."Hahaha, that's great! Yes, I've heard 'Black Maybe'- very cool track. A good friend of mine is a big fan of Andy Bey, and has played a lot of his work for me over the years. You can probably tell I'm a bit over the top in my evangelism for
Mr. Bartz's work; I've always thought that he was particularly ill-served, careerwise, by the particular changes music was going through between the late '60s & early '80s... Have you heard that outtake from the 'Music Is My Sanctuary' sessions that Blue Note released a few years back 'Funked Up', with Syreeta Wright, Eddie Henderson, James Mtume, et. al.?
Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "For any jazz lovers in the group: Summertime from Gershwin's Porgy and Bess is certainly a jazz standard. There are many gr..."Liam: No, not the out-take.
Manray9 wrote: "Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Liam wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "For any jazz lovers in the group: Summertime from Gershwin's Porgy and Bess is certainly a jazz standard. Ther..."It's more of a hard-funk type of thing than actual legit jazz, but quite good. Blue Note put it out on the Mizell brothers tribute/re-mix album they released a few years back (2006, I believe), and also on a sampler called 'Nubian Blue'. The amazing Weldon Gite, who, as you may recall was the bassist for the 'Master Funk' band, played particularly well on it, and of course Bartz himself played beautifully as always.
Mike wrote: "Liam wrote: "Damn, I guess I'll have to move Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam up a few places on my 't..."I've been thinking about this since the day we posted these two messages (1517 & 1518), and with all due respect to Mike, fully realising that we all have, for good reason, endeavoured to keep current politics out of this forum, I feel I am obliged to comment further. If those of us who have dedicated our lives, or some significant portion thereof, to the study of history do not use the knowledge we have gained to enlighten others by (for example) pointing out historical parallels etc., what precisely is the point of our study? Have we all forgotten that Hitler and the NSDAP gained power, in the first instance anyway, through the legally mandated electoral process of their country, abetted by the ignorance & desperation of the populace? I am reminded of that famous, though disputed as to it's original form, quote from Pastor Niemöller-
“Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestierte.”
For those of you without German, if you don't know what he said just do a quote search here on GR, there is one of the English translations posted also.
I don't remember if I've ever mentioned here why I became obsessed with the history of war; it happened on 30 April 1975. I was not quite 5 years old, but even my little world was turned upside-down by the fall of Saigon. More importantly, every time I asked "Why???", there was no answer. Within that week I hit the books, looking for answers, and here I am more than 40 years later with only the most preliminary conclusions as to "why": ignorance & arrogance. These two things are like the common cold of U.S. politics & foreign policy- always present, usually harmless, but possessing the capability to become pneumonia, which can sometimes be (especially when left untreated) fatal. Remember the propaganda posters the Nazis pasted up all over Germany during WWII? The ones with the art-deco Wehrmacht soldier? Schwieg! (Silence!). I have watched my country devolve, during my life, into a grotesque police-state run by ignorant, stupid, power-mad Nazis-manques, and if I occasionally let my self-control slip and point out that the current occupant of the White House is a mendacious, vulgar, ignorant jackass who should make all of us in this nation ashamed, I think I ought not only to be excused, but in fact commended for my only slipping occasionally...
Liam wrote: "Mike wrote: "Liam wrote: "Damn, I guess I'll have to move Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam up a few pl..."I am going to have to say that in point of fact, there was very questionable legality of the Nazi's first rise to power in Germany. The Elections weren't exactly what you would call free and open. In the free and open Democracies of the West, it would be hard to find a more violent election process than those in Germany in the 30s.
Dj wrote: "Liam wrote: "Mike wrote: "Liam wrote: "Damn, I guess I'll have to move [book:Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam|962213..."Yes, well, I live in Detroit, where there were so many irregularities in the voting process this past November that they could not even do a re-count. According to various news media here, somewhere between 80,000 and 90,000 ballots were simply abandoned at polling stations, and were never counted in the totals at all. In addition to that, the police in Detroit, who are now mostly white skinheads from the suburbs who have been imported specifically for the purpose of political (and other) intimidation, were swarming all over the inner city neighborhoods. I'm no coward, and I'm also not black, but skinheads with a license to kill certainly scare me. In addition, what we used to call the "Maria Negra" (rhyming slang for "La Migra", more or less) during my childhood, now called ICE, were swarming all over the place as well, particularly in Southwest Detroit (a.k.a. "Mexican Village"), where the majority of our Hispanic residents live. When I finally voted, after spending an hour trying to figure out where the new precinct was (no lights, no signs- the only reason I found it is because I live only a few blocks away), I watched as the elderly poll-worker attempted to feed my ballot into the machine once, twice, three times- finally, after counting three extra votes but rejecting my actual ballot, my ballot was accepted on the fourth try. I could go on, but I have to get ready for work; in any case, I would hope that the above, while not exactly the same as pitched battles in the streets between Nazis & Commies, is enough to illustrate the historical parallel...
Liam wrote: "Dj wrote: "Liam wrote: "Mike wrote: "Liam wrote: "Damn, I guess I'll have to move [book:Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vie..."While bad doesn't seem to compare to Germany in the 30s or for that matter the South post ACW.
Of course, I live in Oregon. I mail my vote in.
Bloody awful news from London yesterday, here's hoping noone from group or site was involved, and sending out a prayer for peace for those caught up in this latest attack, and our friends out there in France and Belgium.
My daughter has a friend who was at Westminster and Parliment about an hour before it all went down - she is safe.
interesting - Army Combat Photographer takes a picture of the motor blast that killer her.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...
Ok folks, I'm heading off to Sydney airport to catch my flight to Madrid. I will be away till early June but will be logging in whenever I have some spare time and a Wi-Fi connection. I have the June theme page (Eastern Front) set up ready to go and I will open it up for discussion at the end of this month. Please be good while I'm away and don't destroy anything :)
'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Ok folks, I'm heading off to Sydney airport to catch my flight to Madrid. I will be away till early June but will be logging in whenever I have some spare time and a Wi-Fi connection. I have the Ju..."Have a great trip, get some reading done, and don't worry about a thing!
'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Ok folks, I'm heading off to Sydney airport to catch my flight to Madrid. I will be away till early June but will be logging in whenever I have some spare time and a Wi-Fi connection. I have the Ju..."Bon voyage, AR.
Have a fun trip AR - don't get lost :)
Enjoy the sun, Rick! I sure wish I was enjoying some sun, it's still bitter fucking cold, rainy, nasty and generally awful in Detroit...
I'm now in Madrid and after 30 hours of traveling I'm enjoying my first cafe con leche in Plaza Mayor:http://www.madridtourist.info/plaza_m...
The cafe con leche sounds good, but even better is the calamari sandwich with a cold beer mentioned in the description of the plaza. :-)
Betsy wrote: "The cafe con leche sounds good, but even better is the calamari sandwich with a cold beer mentioned in the description of the plaza. :-)"I am pretty sure that there is a rule, that Squid is not food.
Betsy wrote: "The cafe con leche sounds good, but even better is the calamari sandwich with a cold beer mentioned in the description of the plaza. :-)"I am pretty sure that there is a rule, that Squid is not food.
Calamari is delicious, one of my favorite foods. To each her/his own. :-)
True that. I tried it. Found I didn't like Salty Bubblegum. LOL.
'Aussie Rick' wrote: "I'm now in Madrid and after 30 hours of traveling I'm enjoying my first cafe con leche in Plaza Mayor:http://www.madridtourist.info/plaza_m..."
Nice! Cafe con leche on a beautiful day is one of my favorite things in the world,..
Tall all you meet that you support FC Barcelona!
IMO NRO has some pretty good photo essaysHere is one for Memorial Day - The "Old Guard" place flags on the graves at Arlington
http://www.nationalreview.com/slidesh...
I've been seeing some really amazing aircraft recently while working in my yard at home or just doing random errands around the East side of Detroit. Earlier this week, I was standing around talking to a friend in the parking lot of a dollar store, when we suddenly heard the very loud noise of one or more aircraft flying extremely low. To our great surprise, an enormous silver B-17 appeared, no more than a couple of thousand feet over our heads, followed in trail by a smaller aircraft of similar vintage which I did not recognise, and bringing up the rear was a C-47! I had no idea there were still any airworthy B-17s around, that was the first one I've ever seen, and those four big Wright Cyclones are really loud!I'm not sure if there are simply more air shows in the area this year or what, but during the first two week-ends of July there were two A-10s flying in formation with what appeared to be either an Embraer Super Tucano or the U.S. variant of the Pilatus PC-9 (Beechcraft T-6 Texan II). They made numerous low-level passes right over my house during the afternoon hours of all four days, but unfortunately the camera in my current cellphone is a worthless piece of shit, and I was unable to take even one decent photo, damn it...
R.e. happy's post above, if anyone would like to read a good novel about The "Old Guard", Nicholas Proffitt's Gardens Of Stone is quite good, and the movie version was actually quite well-done also. It was directed by Francis Ford Coppola, and features a cast which includes James Caan, Anjelica Huston and James Earl Jones.
Liam wrote: "I've been seeing some really amazing aircraft recently while working in my yard at home or just doing random errands around the East side of Detroit. Earlier this week, I was standing around talkin..."They may be heading over to Oshkosh, WI for the annual EAA show:
https://www.eaa.org/en/airventure
We have the Sunderland airshow locally this weekend, if the cloud base lifts off the sea! A bonus was a fly past from the BBMF (the Lanc, one off the Hurris and one of the Spitfires) over the end of term party we were having for our juniors.
Jonny wrote: "We have the Sunderland airshow locally this weekend, if the cloud base lifts off the sea! A bonus was a fly past from the BBMF (the Lanc, one off the Hurris and one of the Spitfires) over the end o..."I would love to see an airworthy Sunderland flying boat. I have been aboard one (derelict) at an aircraft museum in central Florida about 20 years ago.
I've wandered round the one on display at Hendon. In the past we've had a Catalina that put down on the sea, but this year was just a washout.
Jonny wrote: "I've wandered round the one on display at Hendon. In the past we've had a Catalina that put down on the sea, but this year was just a washout."Jonny: There is a fine PBY-5A on display at the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, Florida.
http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/at...
Quite something to see one making even a low pass over the sea. One upon a time though....https://m.youtube.com/?gl=GB&hl=e...
Liam wrote: "I've been seeing some really amazing aircraft recently while working in my yard at home or just doing random errands around the East side of Detroit. Earlier this week, I was standing around talkin..."If you ever have the chance to visit Colorado Springs, Co, we have the National Museum of World War II Aviation here. http://www.worldwariiaviation.org/
I just went with a buddy this past Thursday. This is the world's only flying P-38F.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4292/3...
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/3...
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4299/3...
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4321/3...
Mike wrote: "Liam wrote: "I've been seeing some really amazing aircraft recently while working in my yard at home or just doing random errands around the East side of Detroit. Earlier this week, I was standing ..."You may be right, Mike, but I would guess that they were going somewhere in Ontario or Quebec, as they were heading almost due East and were definitely in Canadian airspace by the time I lost sight of them. I know that for many years, there were air shows West of Detroit, at Willow Run airport (just off I-94 between Belleville & Ypsilanti, MI) under the auspices of the Yankee Air Force/Yankee Air Museum. The museum is housed in the old Ford Willow Run bomber plant, where the B-24 was manufactured. A friend of mine used to live nearby, and we used to see their B-25 & C-47 in the air all the time during the late 1990s & early 2000s. There was a serious fire there in 2004, though, and unfortunately the museum's hangar burned to the ground, along with several aircraft and other items stored inside. I was actually out there on the day of the fire, and it was obvious when I drove past that it was going to be a major catastrophe for the museum. I believe they were able to save the two aircraft I mentioned, but lost all their more modern ones; I'm not sure what the status of the museum is now.
Gregg wrote: "Liam wrote: "I've been seeing some really amazing aircraft recently while working in my yard at home or just doing random errands around the East side of Detroit. Earlier this week, I was standing ..."Thanx for the heads-up, Gregg, I didn't even know that! I'll have to check it out next time I am in Colorado. My Granddad, H.C. Showalter II, who spent most of his life in the Delta/Grand Junction area in Colorado, was an engineer at Lockheed during the war. He was heavily involved in the P-38 program; somewhere around here I have a big stack of service & maintenance bulletins for the P-38 which he gave me when I was a little kid. Two of his younger brothers, my Great Uncles Bob & Alex Showalter, served as officers in the Air Force during and after the war; both retired as Colonels in the 1960s.
Liam, they have a few other birds there like these F-7F3N Tigercats I caught getting a bath last year.http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/36...
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4302/36...
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