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message 1201: by Colin (new)

Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments The next ship in that class being built will be the USS Hudner, named for MOH recipient Thomas Hudner, one of the two major ficures in my friend Adam Makos' book "Devotion"


message 1202: by Manray9 (last edited Dec 16, 2015 11:12AM) (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments I picked up a used copy of Lady Antonia Fraser's The Pleasure of Reading. It contains 41 essays by prominent writers about what they read, how they became readers, and each essay ends with a few paragraphs on their favorite books. A few titles recur among the various authors' favorites: Samuel Butler's The Way of All Flesh, Stendhal's The Red and the Black, Waugh's Decline and Fall , and Sterne's Tristram Shandy.

I've read the Waugh, but none of the others.


message 1203: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments I've never heard of that book by Antonia Fraser before MR9, it sounds quite interesting.


message 1204: by Tionne (new)

Tionne | 255 comments Those are some good books on the list, Manray! I liked The Way of All Flesh probably the most of all of them. Always good to see what your fav authors like to read.


message 1205: by Manray9 (last edited Dec 30, 2015 08:32PM) (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Attached is a link to a story about today's agreement between Belgium and the Netherlands to swap land to rationalize their borders along the Meuse (Maas). I heard a radio report about it today. It's good to see two nations act maturely and responsibly to fix a problem. The reason I posted it here is -- if you look at the map embedded in the Slate article (click on "View Larger Map") you'll see the land swapped is adjacent to Fort Eben-Emael of WW II fame.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slates...


message 1206: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3646 comments Very interesting Manray9. I have wandered the area extensively and my daughter was born a short distance away in Heerlen. Never heard of this little problem but then no headless bodies turned up back then I guess.


message 1207: by Dimitri (new)

Dimitri | 1413 comments Manray9 wrote: "Attached is a link to a story about today's agreement between Belgium and the Netherlands to swap land to rationalize their borders along the Meuse (Maas). I heard a radio report about it today. It..."

OMG thx a bunch! our national media don't exactly pay much attention to this. We did pretty much draw borders wherever the musketballs fell in the 1830's, but it gets even weirder:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19925_...
(several detailed links in the article).


message 1208: by Chin Joo (new)

Chin Joo (quekcj) | 284 comments Manray9 wrote: "Attached is a link to a story about today's agreement between Belgium and the Netherlands to swap land to rationalize their borders along the Meuse (Maas). I heard a radio report about it today. It..."

A group that lives on war books celebrates peace.

Thank you MR9, that's a good way to start a new year, reaching here in 5 hours. Many thanks also to the moderators of this group, AR, GV, Mike and Michael. Most of all to all members who unselfishly share their knowledge, thoughts, and book recommendations!

Happy New Year!


message 1209: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments And the same to you Chin Joo and to all our members wherever they are and with what ever religion or beliefs they have in celebrating new year today or later.

I look forward to more book discussions from the group in 2016 and have appreciated the wide ranging interests, views and expertise expressed by everyone.


message 1210: by Dimitri (new)

Dimitri | 1413 comments Happy New Year to all, this group has enriched my hobby.


message 1211: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3646 comments May I echo Geevee, Chin Joo and Dimitri and wish all a Happy New Year! May it bring many good books to your shelf.


message 1212: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Chin Joo wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Attached is a link to a story about today's agreement between Belgium and the Netherlands to swap land to rationalize their borders along the Meuse (Maas). I heard a radio report ab..."

Thanks, Chin Joo and I second your thanks to the moderators.


message 1213: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Dimitri wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Attached is a link to a story about today's agreement between Belgium and the Netherlands to swap land to rationalize their borders along the Meuse (Maas). I heard a radio report ab..."

That's good, Dimitri. Earlier this year India and Bangladesh swapped a number of enclaves that had existed since the partition. The swap was mentioned in the Slate article and the link you provided mentions the enclaves.


message 1214: by Boudewijn (last edited Dec 31, 2015 10:10AM) (new)

Boudewijn (boudalok) | 403 comments Manray9 wrote: "Attached is a link to a story about today's agreement between Belgium and the Netherlands to swap land to rationalize their borders along the Meuse (Maas)."

Ah, the Netherlands and Belgium, being good neighbours since 1830. Hi Dimitri :-)

Let me take this opportunity to wish everybody in this group a happy New Year and all the best for 2016!

And now: oliebollen!


message 1215: by Nooilforpacifists (new)

Nooilforpacifists (nooil4pacifists) | 97 comments Manray9,

Great link; thanks.

Happy New Year to all! Thanks for all your 2015 recommendations; I look forward to the next 366 days worth.


message 1216: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Happy New Year to everyone in the group and I would also like to thank the moderators for their efforts and also the group members for making this such an enjoyable and informative group, all the best for 2016!


message 1217: by Lilo (new)

Lilo (liloh-p) | 586 comments HAPPY NEW YEAR to all! I am sorry I haven't been very active in the group, lately. I haven't been able to spend as much time on Goodreads as I would have liked to.


message 1218: by Doreen (new)

Doreen Petersen | 230 comments Nooilforpacifists wrote: "Manray9,

Great link; thanks.

Happy New Year to all! Thanks for all your 2015 recommendations; I look forward to the next 366 days worth."


Oh yay Manray! Forgot it was going to be a leap year with a extra day to read!


message 1219: by Victor (new)

Victor | 30 comments I want to wish peace in 2016 to everyone in WW2 group and around the world. Happy New Year!


message 1220: by Miss M (new)

Miss M | 196 comments Wishing you all a Happy New Year, and plenty of undisturbed reading time in 2016!


message 1221: by Michal (new)

Michal | 189 comments Happy New Year fellow readers!


message 1222: by happy (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments I want to wish all here a very joyous and prosperous New Year!


message 1223: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments happy wrote: "I want to wish all here a very joyous and prosperous New Year!"

Same to you Happy!


message 1224: by Kristina (new)

Kristina Von | 5 comments Happy New Year to all. Hope to finally get involved and read and talk with you all about European World War II History. Published my own book: Escaping the Russian Bear this fall. An Estonian girls memoir of loss and survival during WW II. Since I was still a young child there is so much that I did not understand of the big picture.


Kristina


message 1225: by Lilo (last edited Jan 02, 2016 09:41PM) (new)

Lilo (liloh-p) | 586 comments Happy New Year to everybody!

And please read this article:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald...


message 1226: by Colin (new)

Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments not unusual, many politicians review research their predecessors. Hitler was the master of charisma until "YOBAMA" came along, and both had little substance. The main difference is that Hitler virtually eliminated unemployment and the welfare state, forcing people into employment, while Obama expanded it into an entitlement program to hook potential voters, who will continue to vote liberal to keep it.


message 1227: by Lilo (new)

Lilo (liloh-p) | 586 comments Colin wrote: "not unusual, many politicians review research their predecessors. Hitler was the master of charisma until "YOBAMA" came along, and both had little substance. The main difference is that Hitler virt..."

Sorry, Colin, I don't agree.


message 1228: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Colin wrote: "not unusual, many politicians review research their predecessors. Hitler was the master of charisma until "YOBAMA" came along, and both had little substance. The main difference is that Hitler virt..."

The numbers don't support your position, but that is all I have to say on the subject since it really has nothing to do with the group. Your comparison is a highly tenuous stretch at best. The only politician I would compare to Hitler at the Moment is the Donald, who is using hate and fear tactics to try and win the electorate to his side.


message 1229: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Folks, So as we remove any chance of disagreement, possible misinterpretation or worse upset in respect of people's posts let's refrain from comparisons to modern day politicians and leaders please.


message 1230: by Colin (new)

Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments I used the comparison in general terms, from having interviewed over 100 Germans who met or even worked with/for Hitler, and many who know Obama and worked within the administration. The Donald is simply stating the obvious, although I agree he goes a little too far on occasions. However, the anti-capitalist liberal mind is a self destructive organism when the life's blood of a nation is a free market economy. That is the only kind that works.


message 1231: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Thanks Geevee for your post.

Folks lets try and keep current politics out of the discussion, nothing is bound to get people worked up more than talk about politics and religion, this group is to discuss WW2 history and books on that subject.


message 1232: by Colin (new)

Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments Agreed


message 1233: by Anne (new)

Anne (spartandax) | 139 comments Colin wrote: "not unusual, many politicians review research their predecessors. Hitler was the master of charisma until "YOBAMA" came along, and both had little substance. The main difference is that Hitler virt..."
You are 100% spot on, Colin. It is sad to see what America has become recently. praying that 2016 will change things for the better.


message 1234: by Anne (new)

Anne (spartandax) | 139 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Thanks Geevee for your post.

Folks lets try and keep current politics out of the discussion, nothing is bound to get people worked up more than talk about politics and religion, this group is to d..."


Those who refuse to remember history are doomed to repeat it!


message 1235: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (last edited Jan 04, 2016 12:50PM) (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Anne wrote: "'Those who refuse to remember history are doomed to repeat it! ..."

I don't disagree Anne, although I do not agree in what you may be suggesting in that a group such as this is refusing to remember history; simply this isn't a group to discuss modern day politics especially with comparisons to WWII leaders.

Remember too that it is not a US only group, so we have members from across the globe and likely many will have opinions of the modern day nation that others from the US or wider may agree or disagree with.


message 1236: by Manray9 (last edited Jan 04, 2016 01:00PM) (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments I support the moderators. If you want to belabor present day politicians in your own or other countries, do it elsewhere. This group is for discussion of books about WW II.


message 1237: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Well said everyone. I doubt anyone here has not read about the forgotten lessons of history but lets keep the discussion about good books, good authors and WW2 history.


message 1238: by happy (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments This month's military photos from NRO

http://www.nationalreview.com/slidesh...


message 1239: by Ian (new)

Ian | 86 comments Happy New Year to all. Naval types, and others, will be interested in the Daily Telegraph obituary for Lieutenant-Commander David Balme who led the boarding party that recovered the Enigma machine from U110, subject as we know of the infamous Hollywood U571. Balme seems to have been remarkably magnanimous about that! He also had an incredibly varied war. A great naval hero,http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obitu...


message 1240: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3646 comments Ian wrote: "Happy New Year to all. Naval types, and others, will be interested in the Daily Telegraph obituary for Lieutenant-Commander David Balme who led the boarding party that recovered the Enigma machine ..."

Great story, what an amazing hero.


message 1241: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Ian wrote: "Happy New Year to all. Naval types, and others, will be interested in the Daily Telegraph obituary for Lieutenant-Commander David Balme who led the boarding party that recovered the Enigma machine ..."

The WW II heroes have dwindled to a pitiful few. I salute Lieutenant Commander Balme. "Fair winds and following seas."


message 1242: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Ian wrote: "Happy New Year to all. Naval types, and others, will be interested in the Daily Telegraph obituary for Lieutenant-Commander David Balme who led the boarding party that recovered the Enigma machine ..."

Thank you for posting Ian. RIP Lt-Cdr Balme.


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carl  theaker | 1560 comments I was reading a newspaper put out by the US 20th Amored Div, May 1945, while in Germany and in their stories, they refer to the US soldiers as doughs or doughboys. Didn't realize it was still a common term at that time, and that at least for sake of newsprint, they'd use GI.

Anyone have an insight on this ?


message 1244: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Geevee wrote: "Anne wrote: "'Those who refuse to remember history are doomed to repeat it! ..."

I don't disagree Anne, although I do not agree in what you may be suggesting in that a group such as this is refusi..."


I have always held the thought that the rest of the world must see the US government as some what of a massive case of split personality disorder, since every four to eight years it would appear as if our relations and attitudes towards the rest of the world change in a radical fashion. However living in the US I may have a somewhat skewed view of that.


message 1245: by Colin (new)

Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 2011 comments US policies change depending upon the current narcissist in office, and the collective intellectual bankruptcy of who holds the power in Congress. Both Reps and Dems suffer from chronic "nefarious terminus politcus disgustus" syndrome. This is why term limites must be imposed, among many other changes to Congress.


message 1246: by Dimitri (new)

Dimitri | 1413 comments Bou wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Attached is a link to a story about today's agreement between Belgium and the Netherlands to swap land to rationalize their borders along the Meuse (Maas)."

Ah, the Netherlands and..."


Hey Bou :D


message 1247: by Dimitri (new)

Dimitri | 1413 comments A bookish question to all:
Goodreads started less than a decade ago and even if our memory serves us to list every paperback since puberty, would you list on GR the comics you read as a child? My reading was largely classic bandes-dessinée until 10 or so and they're still good to go Brain: Zero sometimes.


message 1248: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Dimitri wrote: "A bookish question to all:
Goodreads started less than a decade ago and even if our memory serves us to list every paperback since puberty, would you list on GR the comics you read as a child? My ..."


Dimitri: I started reading what I call "serious books" -- meaning history and nonfiction -- around 1961. That was the time of the Civil War centennial in America so the works of Bruce Catton, Fletcher Pratt, and others were popular. I collected many of the Classic comic book series, but don't list them here. I've been on GR since 2011. My problem is remembering many of the books read since 1961. Often I remember content, but can't recall the title or author's name. I still stumble across references in GR groups to books and say to myself: I read that. Having resided all around the U.S. and abroad, usually I recall a book by where I was when I read it or where and when it was purchased.

I would say -- list whatever you want to. It's your GR account.


message 1249: by carl (new)

carl  theaker | 1560 comments Oh yeah MR9 !

Manray9 wrote: "My problem is remembering many of the books read since....."


message 1250: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Dimitri wrote: "A bookish question to all:
Goodreads started less than a decade ago and even if our memory serves us to list every paperback since puberty, would you list on GR the comics you read as a child? My ..."


List what you like :) I have listed Tintin, Asterix and also the Narnia series, plus Doctor Who from the 70s and books such as the Famous Five and other books I read as a young lad. Comics? Why not?


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