Fifty Shades of Grey
discussion
dont like it ..dont read it
Kris wrote: "Me too, Jenna!I don't personally see a strong relation between the Twilight books and FSoG. If that's the case, is every story involving a young, naive, innocent virgin pining after a stronger, ..."
Actually, there is a pretty funny goodreads thread about it....
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/9...
Mocha Spresso wrote: "Kris wrote: "Me too, Jenna!I don't personally see a strong relation between the Twilight books and FSoG. If that's the case, is every story involving a young, naive, innocent virgin pining after..."
Lol...ok, I definitely do see more similarities than I thought. Most are very common, though, and can be found in many romance novels, such as: guy loves cars, protective and jealous guy, girl was vigin, guy's first serious girlfriend, guys can't cook (come on with this one), girl warned to stay away, a meadow (seriously?), pregnancy unwanted by guy (not uncommon), guys' fam happy he's found someone (common)...many listed are SO VERY common...
I mean, some of those comparisons are almost as insignificant as claiming that both books had chapters, and used the word "the."
But there are some spot on similarities as well which are a little less common to find. Although the majority of that list can be found in a lot of books, for sure.
Interesting thread, though!
Karen wrote: "Ladyacct wrote: "I never read the third or fourth Twilight. Won't matter to me at all cause quite frankly I don't feel like I am missing anything. "I never suggested that you finish the series of..."
No and it can't be compared to a food critic - just because I don't want to invest my time and money in two more books by the same author with the same characters where I thought the first book was awful does not mean I can not pass that opinion on that book or the first two Twilight books. I bought it I invested my time in reading it therefore I can have an opinion about it. It has nothing to do with only reading the appetizer, the appetizer sucked time for me to get up and go somewhere else for something else. I don't need to sit and torture myself with the main course and desert when the appetizer made me puke.
Another thing and correct me if I'm wrong this discussion IS about the first book not Fifty Shades Darker or Fifty Shades Freed? And while reading through all the posts other discussions have off shooted but it is titled Fifty Shades of Grey not the series of Fifty Shades - just saying...........
Llwells wrote: "Another thing and correct me if I'm wrong this discussion IS about the first book not Fifty Shades Darker or Fifty Shades Freed? And while reading through all the posts other discussions have off ..."I don't think so, it reads FSOG Discussion. That includes the series.
i said that the other day if u did in fact read thru this discussion it IS about the first book and like i said we cant condemn those of u who have only read the first book and not the rest but on the other hand some ppl have read the rest and are entitiled to talk about it as well they just shouldnt get shitty with the ones that havnt and as for it saying fifty shades of grey Discussion its ment for the first it doesnt say trilogy and it says Discussion at the end of every book discusion
Just to clear things up, I was not criticizing anyone who didn't read all three books, what I meant by my earlier comment was, if you didn't like the first book, then fine criticize the first book, just don't make comments regarding the other two unless you read them as well. And yes, if you didn't like the appetizer, by all means leave the restaurant. And feel free to say how much you didn't like the appetizer you sampled. But you cannot give a thorough review of the restaurant without trying more than one dish. That was all I meant. And I definitely wasn't trying to be "shitty". ;)
and Karen "shitty" wasnt directed at you i was saying it in general
I wasn't trying to be shitty either, just factual - Fifty Shades is the trilogyFifty Shades of Gray Book One
Fifty Shades Darker Book Two
Fifty Shades Freed Book Three
And the title to this discussion is Fifty Shades of Gray. And while I don't understand how anyone who reads this can give it five stars I do accept that there are different entertainments for different people....some don't even LIKE to read. Now I do have an issue with anyone who hasn't actually read a book passing an opinion BUT it happens on this website ALL the time even for titles that are not in print or released in any format yet - It's one of the cons of the website. HOWEVER, when I come to this website to get a recommendation for a new author/book I always check (if I can) the ratings comparison for books I have read with the rating of at least three people I am reading the review of. AND quite frankly if all three gave FSoG 5 stars I would probably pass on the book AGAIN that's my system, but I find that it works for me.
If the appetizer makes me sick I'm going to say something to the effect of:I didn't eat there the *** appetizer sent me to the bathroom puking so I never ate a main course or dessert. Same with Gray, it sucked, I didn't like it, do not understand why it is on the best sellers list and have read MUCH better real BDSM novels and will not ever buy or promise ANYONE I will read the last two. Again my opinion and since I did read FSoG and PAID for the torture I am entitled to it.
Jenna wrote: "i said that the other day if u did in fact read thru this discussion it IS about the first book and like i said we cant condemn those of u who have only read the first book and not the rest but on ..."I did read through it and it took a while too I found the discussions on some classics here quite entertaining actually, it was those that kept me going......
Just so you know though I am not writing my comments to attack or undermine anyone's intelligence or being condescending to others - I really don't understand the popularity of this author's writing style and repetitive phrases and comments with a Twilight esque story line. The only thing I can put it down to is different strokes BUT I still will never understand it. And really in forty years WHAT will those readers say about this book and the writing style of the author???????
Christine I've read NONE of the books on your list and I don't buy anything from Amazon anyway however, mentioned above is some of the books I have read and liked while some are pretty hard core some are 'light' BDSM fiction by some pretty good authors but again that is my opinion. And again in my opinion EL James don't have jack on them.
Llwells wrote: "Love this thoughhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcK...
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcK..."
Bwahahaha! I love these! I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Duke Nukem video game series but the voice actor of Duke Nukem read some of 50 Shades and it's ABSOLUTELY hilarious!
Random question: Anyone see the spoof SNL did on FSoG?? Pretty funny!
Kris wrote: "Random question: Anyone see the spoof SNL did on FSoG?? Pretty funny!"very funny
Llwells wrote: "HOWEVER, when I come to this website to get a recommendation for a new author/book I always check (if I can) the ratings comparison for books I have read with the rating of at least three people I am reading the review of. AND quite frankly if all three gave FSoG 5 stars I would probably pass on the book AGAIN that's my system, but I find that it works for me. "You say you aren't being condescending or passing judgement on those who liked the books, yet by your other statements you sound a bit like you are.
It has been stated on this feed over and over, that none of us are to be offended by the opinion of the other, yet I keep hearing again and again that those who like the books... or those who rated it with 5 stars MUST be idiots! Now you may not have said these words verbatim but your message is clearly received.
The rating system on this website is completely subjective. It does not fit any professional literary ranking system, and should therefore be taken as such. If you seek a professional editorial review of a book, there are literary websites and journals you can peruse for this information. I believe that the purpose of this website is to bring together people who share similar interests, and to discuss their opinions with others about the books they've read.
i always thought the rateings were ur own personal liking to the books? because if not ive been using them wrong lol
Karen wrote: "Llwells wrote: "HOWEVER, when I come to this website to get a recommendation for a new author/book I always check (if I can) the ratings comparison for books I have read with the rating of at least..."An astute observation. Thank you.
Kris wrote: "Random question: Anyone see the spoof SNL did on FSoG?? Pretty funny!"I never watch the program. I can only imagine what they said. I'm sure it was funny.
Llwells wrote: "I wasn't trying to be shitty either, just factual - Fifty Shades is the trilogyFifty Shades of Gray Book One
Fifty Shades Darker Book Two
Fifty Shades Freed Book Three
And the title to this discu..."
I understand what you are trying to say - that if someone liked books (ie gave 5 stars to) that are NOT to your taste and you are researching one that they gave an equal rating to, you probably won't like the one you are researching either but say one liked FSoG BUT also liked 20 other books to your taste you might research more ratings and reviews.
Kris wrote: "Random question: Anyone see the spoof SNL did on FSoG?? Pretty funny!"Haha yeah! I loved it! For those of you who haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_CGv...
Karen wrote: "Llwells wrote: "HOWEVER, when I come to this website to get a recommendation for a new author/book I always check (if I can) the ratings comparison for books I have read with the rating of at least..."I guess it depends on how you read things.
I thought this was a website to research, discuss openly, and check out new and upcomings in your time (say 3 AM) and way. I notice many people who rate a book that is unpublished and can be negative about it when of course they haven't read it> example
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/3...
AND it hadn't even been released yet....so you have to work out your own methods of working with the ratings systems in finding new authors or series to read.
Llwells wrote: "Just so you know though I am not writing my comments to attack or undermine anyone's intelligence or being condescending to others - I really don't understand the popularity of this author's writing style and repetitive phrases and comments with a Twilight esque story line. The only thing I can put it down to is different strokes BUT I still will never understand it. And really in forty years WHAT will those readers say about this book and the writing style of the author???????."
I have put out my theory on why these books made the best seller list before, but since this thread is over 1200 posts long, I will do it again for those who do not want to read every post. 1. The writer already had a fanfic following. 2. Since the fanfic was a Twilight spinoff, the huge audience of Twilight fans were brought into the marketing mix. 3. The erotic subject matter at the time in history when e-readers have made it possible for people to read "daring" books without having to hide them in public (plus you do not have to buy them at the bookstore either) and finally...4. The domino effect. As the book gained hype, everyone had to jump on the bandwagon to see what all of the fuss was about. It was the "perfect storm."
Lorie wrote: "Kris wrote: "Random question: Anyone see the spoof SNL did on FSoG?? Pretty funny!"Haha yeah! I loved it! For those of you who haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_CGv..."
oh my god, that was hilarious Lori! Then I watched the trailer for FSoG...it doesn't really interest me to see it, even though I liked the books.
Karen wrote: "The rating system on this website is completely subjective. It does not fit any professional literary ranking system, and should therefore be taken as such. If you seek a professional editorial review of a book, there are literary websites and journals you can peruse for this information. I believe that the purpose of this website is to bring together people who share similar interests, and to discuss their opinions with others about the books they've read.."
I rate my books by genre, so there might be a classic work that I gave a 4 star to that is actually a "better" book than one I gave a 5 star rating to. If I rate a romance book 5 stars, it is a 5 star romance book. If I rate a fantasy novel 5 stars, it is a 5 star fantasy novel. I rarely go below 3 stars. Of the thousands of books I have rated, I doubt I have more than 20 rated 2 stars or below.
Ladyacct wrote: "Llwells wrote: "I wasn't trying to be shitty either, just factual - Fifty Shades is the trilogyFifty Shades of Gray Book One
Fifty Shades Darker Book Two
Fifty Shades Freed Book Three
And the tit..."
Yep
I realize not everyone rates things the same way that's why I research at least three different reviewers and in the 1 star level, If someone read and reviews
a one star AND the book that I'm researching one star their one star would not mean much to me as I enjoyed that book immensely. If they gave it four and and the book I was researching one that's a pay attention and do another reviewer mode.
Mary wrote: "Llwells wrote: "Just so you know though I am not writing my comments to attack or undermine anyone's intelligence or being condescending to others - I really don't understand the popularity of this..."I agree completely with all of this, Mary! I also believe it got super popular by "word of mouth". That's how I found out about it at least.
I've seen people give books 1 star, simply because they didn't want to pay 14.99 for the book. Others I have seen couldn't get into the book after reading only the prologue or the 1st chapter, so they rated it 1 star. I tend to rate the books by how well I enjoyed reading them, as well as by genre. Occasionally taking points off for bad writing and typos. And I usually forego the rating, if I chose not to finish it. It is definitely not a perfect system, but it works for me.
These are just a few examples of how people's rating systems vary on this site. I also follow my friends on the site. I tend to go for books that are recommended by those who share similar taste in books.
Lorie wrote: "I agree completely with all of this, Mary! I also believe it got super popular by "word of mouth". That's how I found out about it at least. ."IMO, it is the literary equivalent of the pet rock or the hula hoop.
Lorie wrote: "Mary wrote: "Llwells wrote: "Just so you know though I am not writing my comments to attack or undermine anyone's intelligence or being condescending to others - I really don't understand the popul..."they were actually talkin about them on the radio thats how i heard about them they kept saying how they out sold the hunger games (which i liked) so it peaked my interest
Ladyacct wrote: "Christine I've read NONE of the books on your list and I don't bu..."
True, EL James "doesn't have jack on them" because she didn't write a story about BDSM. You are comparing apples to oranges. Christian thinks it is what he wants with Ana, but the only scene even remotely tied into BDSM is at the end of book one. Early into book two Christian realizes that type of lifestyle is not going to win Ana over, and he is hell-bent on changing to be the type of man she could love. There are no other D/s scenes so why compare James to Banks and Dalton - authors that wrote stories revolving around a BDSM lifestyle?
Jenna wrote: "Lorie wrote: "Mary wrote: "Llwells wrote: "Just so you know though I am not writing my comments to attack or undermine anyone's intelligence or being condescending to others - I really don't unders..."Aw, I LOVE The Hunger Games! Jenna, you should read Battle Royale if you haven't already. =)
Lorie wrote: "Jenna wrote: "Lorie wrote: "Mary wrote: "Llwells wrote: "Just so you know though I am not writing my comments to attack or undermine anyone's intelligence or being condescending to others - I reall..."i just looked at it, they sound just like the hunger games...i marked it as to read....ill check it out thanks for the recomendation
okay i watch secret life of an american teenager...ive watched it since it first aired well the most recent episode they were discussing a book called 50 spices lmao and well im pretty sure they were refering to 50 shades haha i found it funny
Sous wrote: "I gave this book a try and barreled through it only because a friend recommended it to me and I felt the need to finish reading it for her. In the process, I came to the conclusion that this is sim..."That was a terribly unkind thing for you to say about the author. You can dislike the story, but try to keep your vicious comments to yourself. It only shows how shallow you are.
Lorie wrote: "Jenna wrote: "Lorie wrote: "Mary wrote: "Llwells wrote: "Just so you know though I am not writing my comments to attack or undermine anyone's intelligence or being condescending to others - I reall..."i just found a free copy of it on www.epubbubs.com :) (good site for those who have ereaders) oh and www.4shared.com
I really do not understand some people's need to personally attack an author. Rather childish in my opinion.
Awesome, Jenna! lemme know how you like it. there is a movie as well but it came out in like 2000 so its kinda old =P good flick though! i got interesed in the hunger games because of battle royale!
Mary wrote: "I really do not understand some people's need to personally attack an author. Rather childish in my opinion."Or nasty depending on your view and if the commentor could write one in such a condition?? I haven't read her book so I can't say - I admit I do not like the writing style of the author and quite frankly don't like the fact that booksellers and others think it is adult BDSM erotica, which it is not, BUT that is the way it (and I'm talking about the first book FSoG, not the Fifty Shades trilogy) is being sold and promoted.
KarenH wrote: "Ladyacct wrote: "Christine I've read NONE of the books on your li..."
Yes she supposedly did as THAT is the way it is being promoted to the public a sort of naughty Twilight fan fiction without the paranormal aspects, which offend some.
http://theview.abc.go.com/blog/fifty-...
and
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/toda...
and there are more. AND interestingly enought the author herself even admits to not 'being a great writer' at the end of the Today interview.
I've read an excerpt of this book and I'll definitely spare my money. There are tons of well-written erotica on the market, yet apparently this isn't one of them. It's more of an overrated brain candy. I don't even feel the urge to give it a shot.
Alice wrote: "I've read an excerpt of this book and I'll definitely spare my money. There are tons of well-written erotica on the market, yet apparently this isn't one of them. It's more of an overrated brain ca..."You (obviously) have every right in the world to not want to read FSoG. I haven't read too many erotic books, but I have a hard time believing any of them are highly profound or something more substantial than "brain candy."
When I started to read this, I didn't know what kind of book it was, or what it was about. I just wanted to know why everybody was buying it and why it's so popular. I wouldn't care about it being full of sex if the sex scenes were brilliantly written. If they were realistic as well as romantic and literary, I would've liked it a whole lot better. Everybody has a different taste in books and so there are people who do like it. But I must say that I didn't like it. At all. I guess I want more depth to my books than 'holy cow' or 'crap'. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion but I don't think that people should offend each other based on linking the book or not.
Britt wrote: "When I started to read this, I didn't know what kind of book it was, or what it was about. I just wanted to know why everybody was buying it and why it's so popular. I wouldn't care about it being ..."I agree completely. I enjoyed the books despite the lack of literary brilliance, but I certainly do not think people should offend one another for having an opposite view/preference! It's crazy to even question how someone could like or dislike something, and even worse to insult them
because of it.
Kris wrote: "I agree completely. I enjoyed the books despite the lack of literary brilliance, but I certainly do not think people should offend one another for having an opposite view/preference!"Well said Kris!
People say I am a nerd loser because I love fantasy novels full of unicorns, elves, ogres, dragons and shit like that! Who cares! We all have different likes and dislikes, that is what makes us special. I did not like the 50 Shades books that much. I read all three of them just to see what the fuss about. I didn't really like them, but I didn't particularly hate them either. Books with this type of subject matter just is not my cup of tea. I mean no offense to the writer or the people who love these books. I say congrats to the author! She was very successful, and good for her!
Thank you Karen! Elizabeth, that's RIDICULOUS for anyone to call you names bc of your preference in books! And I think it's nice that you can still appreciate an author whose work you didn't particularly care for.
I'm feel the same way...I don't understand how anyone can harbor hatred for a book/author. (Not talking about people here, just in general.) There are plenty of books I didn't like, Bared to You being one of them, and if it hit the best sellers list and made the author millions it wouln't bother me in the least.
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I don't personally see a strong relation between the Twilight books and FSoG. If that's the case, is every story involving a young, naive, innocent virgin pining after a stronger, dominant, possessive hero also a rip off? Can't be bc many have been written before hand...I don't see other similarities between the two series.
A lot of romance novels follow a similar plot line bc that's what readers gravitate towards. Why single out FSoG?