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Lori wrote: "Hardest scenes for me:1. BJR - almost anything with him, but especially the Wentworth prison stuff with Jamie
2. Jamie & Ian confronting Roger... Roger's time with the Mohawk and his "rescue"... ..."
I was thinking about everyone's list and no one mentioned Gellie at all. She always made my skin crawl. From meeting her in the orchard to " maybe" seeing her demise in the cave while rescuing Ian. Thank you for adding her in.
Wendy F wrote: "Lisa, It's [spoilers removed]. Please be careful and spoiler tag stuff like that, ladies. I'm not sure that everyone has read that far yet. I know for sure Layali hasn't. Please stick to only ..."
I'm very sorry and will try not to let that happen again.
It's okay! We all forget sometimes. :)
What was the most powerful moment in Drums of Autumn?
Wendy F wrote: "Lisa, It's [spoilers removed]. Please be careful and spoiler tag stuff like that, ladies. I'm not sure that everyone has read that far yet. I know for sure Layali hasn't. Please stick to only ..."
But the topic title is DOA
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Wendy F wrote: "What was the most powerful moment in Drums of Autumn?"There are several ... One for me would be the "Bottom of the Nineth"
Donna wrote: "But the topic title is DOA."Yes, and so we can talk about anything before or through DOA without spoilers, but the thing she mentioned happened in a later book, which others haven't read yet.
Donna wrote: "Wendy F wrote: "What was the most powerful moment in Drums of Autumn?"There are several ... One for me would be the "Bottom of the Nineth""
I suppose I'm asking for the MOST powerful... which I know we have several. I don't remember the "Bottom of the Nineth", what was that?
One powerful scene in DOA for me is when Jamie and Claire are with Roger in the Indian village trying to figure out a way to get Roger out, and in walks Ian....head plucked, face painted...Jamie's reaction was so sad and powerful... He has just lost the closest person he has to a son....
In no particular order:-I loved meeting Jocosta. What a woman, though throughout this book she struk me as someone to be wary of.
-Ian. The separation killed me. I love, love that kid.
-Allowing Bonnett to go free. I knew that was going to be a big problem in the future. Was very happy at how that was finally put to rest between him and Brianna--I got closure.
That was a horrible moment, the tattoos across his cheeks.For me it was the end, with the opening ceremonies at the gathering. Jamie standing in front of the fire and him calling out his people one by one. I get chills thinking of it.
Wendy F wrote: "Donna wrote: "Wendy F wrote: "What was the most powerful moment in Drums of Autumn?"There are several ... One for me would be the "Bottom of the Nineth""
I suppose I'm asking for the MOST powerf..."
Chapter 64 is titled Bottom of the Nineth .. Jamie got to witness his grandson being born something he never got to part take with when his daughter was born.
Wendy F wrote: "Donna wrote: "But the topic title is DOA."Yes, and so we can talk about anything before or through DOA without spoilers, but the thing she mentioned happened in a later book, which others haven't..."
But you wrote "only stick to Voyager and before" yet the tile of this entire thread is Drums of Autumn group reread. I as not question what the spoiler was.
Oh! LOL, sorry, didn't notice that. I meant DOA, not Voyager. That was just a miss-type.
Wendy, I agree - the fire scene, where Jamie called out everyone was powerful. I also liked that Brianna told Roger to go, meaning, "Go, call out the MacKenzies." After all they'd both been through, that commitment from her, which IMO set the scene for the rest of the books and their lives from then on, was very powerful to me.But that scene has to compete with the parting with Ian, starting with him entering the tent with the plucked head and tattoos...
Tough call.
Wendy F wrote: "Oh! LOL, sorry, didn't notice that. I meant DOA, not Voyager. That was just a miss-type."LOL .. the nice thing is you can go back in edit it and no one will know the difference!
Lori wrote: "Wendy, I agree - the fire scene, where Jamie called out everyone was powerful. I also liked that Brianna told Roger to go, meaning, "Go, call out the MacKenzies." After all they'd both been through..."Yes! When she says 'Go, call out the MacKenzies'... it was also a bit about their scenes together in present time when he took her to the modern gathering, tying the two together.
Donna wrote: "Wendy F wrote: "Oh! LOL, sorry, didn't notice that. I meant DOA, not Voyager. That was just a miss-type."LOL .. the nice thing is you can go back in edit it and no one will know the difference!"
For sure! Haha
I finally finished DOA and I really did not like Jamie's character (toward Roger) before and after he knew the truth. Good thing this is a series of books so we will know ( or already know) how that relationship turns out.I also have a question, unless it was already discussed and I missed it:
Do you think Briana should have shot and killed Steven Bonnet?
Wendy F wrote: "What was the most powerful moment in Drums of Autumn?"There were quite a few of them in the book, for me, that is. The ones already mentioned above plus the scene where Briana talks to Jamie about the rape. It struck me deep and I cried for a long time after. It also helped me work out some emotional "baggage" that hadn't been dealt with. Diana Gabaldon's writing has had that effect on me for some reason. It's been therapeutic besides entertaining. Reading these books a second time has been easier than the first time through. I've gone thru less kleenex :)
I think if Briana had shot Bonnet, her conscience would've weighed too heavy. Her main purpose to see Bonnet, I think, was to forgive him, like Jamie had advised. Although, he hadn't meant to do it in person and I think she didn't need to do it personally. I couldn't figure out why she felt the need to tell Bonnet that the baby is HIS! She said it was because Bonnet was going to die, but..."huh?". OH, that's why she didn't have to shoot Bonnet - he was due to be hung.
This brings to mind the scene with Bree and Jamie (in the barn). Jamie tries to show Bree that while she thought she should have fought Bonnet, she couldn't and that killing him wouldn't have been the closure she was looking for.
That was a VERY powerful Scene Carren. I agree.
Lisa wrote: "I couldn't figure out why she felt the need to tell Bonnet that the baby is HIS! She said it was because Bonnet was going to die"I always got the impression that at times Bree wasn't sure how to feel about Bonnet. I think she saw a vulnerabilty in him that belied his badassness, lol. It's the same reason she (view spoiler). In terms of the baby, she wanted him to feel like perhaps there was a bit of him left in the world when he was gone. I don't think she was the only one who saw this in him, and then perhaps regretted showing him mercy. I think Jamie did too. Yes, he thought Bonnet was a snake, but I think he saw something in Bonnet that reminded him of himself.
I certainly felt a vulnerability from Bonnet at different points in the series, so I would imagine Bree did too.
I think that Bree realized the cost of killing Bonnet; and as angry as she was at Jamie, she took his words to heart. That's why, IMO, she wanted to see him before he hung - she wanted to forgive him out loud... to force herself into closure.As to why she told him about the baby.... well, the only thing I can think of is that Bree was convinced the baby really was Bonnet's, and as Wendy said, I think Bree thought she was easing his death by telling him that a part of him would survive - mercy, if you will. I surely wouldn't have been that merciful or that up-close-and-personal with someone like Bonnet; but then again, I wasn't in that situation, so who knows?
Carren wrote: "This brings to mind the scene with Bree and Jamie (in the barn). Jamie tries to show Bree that while she thought she should have fought Bonnet, she couldn't and that killing him wouldn't have been ..."Yep, that was scene I was referring to. It hit me the hardest than all of the others, I think.
Thanks Wendy, for naming what it is about Bonnet that people like Jamie and Bri (and some readers) see :)
LOL, perhaps I stand alone, but sometimes I did think there was something more about Bonnet. Even Bree said that, (putting in spoiler cause I can't remember which book it was) (view spoiler). I mean, there had to have been SOMETHING about him that brought that out in her. I dont' think he was quite as evil as BJR, or Boble, or the other villains in this story.
I was going to ask if you all thought if Bree should have killed Bonnett. Thinking about all the heart ache he has put this family through, I know she was going off of Jamie's advice, but in the end she has to live with the daily reminder of Bonnett.I thought one moment (may have not been powerful at the time), was when Jamie and Claire told Roger that Bree was pregnant and she was raped two days after he left her. Jamie asked Roger if he could raised the child as his and he said he didn't know. I was surprised they left him in the mountains, injured, without shoes and food.
To me it was powerful when Roger came into cabin and told Jamie to cut him, "I've come to swear an oath in our shared blood." Then he claim the baby as his son.
That scene is one of my favorites. Roger accepted Jem as his forever no matter who was the biological father. I think he gained so much respect from Jamie in that scene also. This is the one that made me cry this time around.
Then Roger threw Jamie into the wood pile. DG knows when to throw in a little humor.
There are so many powerful moments in this book! I agree with everything you guys have said. I would also add the scene when Roger is working on Stephen Bonnet's ship and helps his ancestor hide her baby. How weird would that be??Also, when Jamie meets his daughter. It was pretty funny when he thought at first that she was hitting on him!
Dawn, wasn't that the scene where during the fight between Jamie and Roger, Claire said that Jamie and Roger suffered from "testosterone poisoning"?
Carren wrote: "Dawn, wasn't that the scene where during the fight between Jamie and Roger, Claire said that Jamie and Roger suffered from "testosterone poisoning"?"Absolutely! Men marking their territory. Hmm?
Yeah -- talk about a "pissing" contest!
I was pleased with Roger for "throwing down" with Jamie - in both words and actions. IMO, Jamie deserved to be thrown into the wood pile, at the very least - LOL! But I also cheered for Roger, because he finally "got" that in this brave new world of the past, actions do speak louder than words. Roger had to learn how to adapt to show his manliness, because in this century, men are considered cave men for doing what was normal in the 18th century.
Sorry I'm behind ladies! Went to North Carolina on a vacation and then had to get my daughter ready for school. I'm closing this thread and archiving it. Please see out Drums of Autumn thread in the 'Books' folder for continued discussion.
I'll also be starting the thread for the Fiery Cross reread! Hope to see you there.
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1. BJR - almost anything with him, but especially the Wentworth prison stuff with Jamie
2. Jamie & Ian confronting Roger... Roger's time with the Mohawk and his "rescue"... Roger & Bree reuniting and the scene with the baby (although in a good way)
3. Claire's miscarriage in France, her "time" with King Louis, and reuniting with Jamie after all of that (esp. when she doesn't tell him the full story and he knows anyway)
4. Jamie's life without Claire in DiA - esp. William's birth and when he has to leave William
5. Ian's kidnapping and the rescue by Claire & Jamie - included in this are the Geillis scenes and the "voodoo" stuff on the beach
6. Bree & Stephen Bonnet, although the jail scene was touching