The Wise Man's Fear
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Did Kvothe's time with Felurian fit the story?
It's all part of the building of Kvothe's character and his Four Corners reputation. Pat isn't creating the usual run-of-the-mill storyline with a point of no return, and denouement, and etc, he is just chronicling the events of an incredibly unique individual, which is also why many people are hesitant upon hearing the plot, or lack thereof, of the story.So. Basically, i think the Felurian part of book 2 was mostly just another interesting turn of events - Though it also gave us a big portion of knowledge about the fae world.
Also! Rothfuss had, as you might know, written all three books before the publication of the first. This enabled him to leave clues for us readers as to what is going to happen later on in the series, and i think a lot was subtly hinted at during those Felurian chapters.
I totally agree with Jim The Felurian part seemed way out of place. He set the scene to amp you up over a job well done killing bandits and learning that they were lead by the bandits and that the chandrian even had a part to play in what they were doing.You can tell the fae scene has a really important part in the story. It gave a lot of information you couldn't really get elsewhere and gave Kvothe some much needed sexual prowess. You can't have a bad ass that turns red as his hair every time he sees a pretty girl. Also, it took no physical time from the story. All the time he spent in the fae was on fae time and he was still able to meet up with the mercs at the tavern like nothing had happened.
That said after a really good start the fae part really seemed to drag. I don't know if it was too much description or what but I struggled through that part and that was really the only part in the both books that I wasn't hooked.
So from the Fae Kvothe becomes a sex god.
Kvothe gets a cool cloak.
He does a few things to shape his story far into the future.(I don't wanna spoil because once you get past the porn there is something kinda cool)
James wrote: "I totally agree with Jim The Felurian part seemed way out of place. He set the scene to amp you up over a job well done killing bandits and learning that they were lead by the bandits and that the..."I look forward to the twist you speak of. Hopefully I can get through it tonight. I've read a few articles about the Felurian part and quite a few people share our sentiments. I think perhaps if it was a little shorter, with a touch more danger, I would enjoy it more.
I'm dissapointed he hasn't given Denna a thought at all (at least to where I've read). He was able to compose himself with Felurian, and not once wondered how all this sex would impact his relationship with Denna? To his credit, we don't know what Denna does behind closed doors with her suitors.
Either way, I'm not going to let it affect my opinion of the book too much. I've never read this many pages as obsessively as this.
I really like these books, but the Felurian part was not much more than authorial wish fulfillment. It was 70 some-odd (IIRC) pages of 16 year-old virgin Kvothe impressing an immortal sex goddess with his awesome sex skills. Give me a break.
I don't necessarily think it fits perfectly with the storyline but it's necessary, for a lot of the reasons people have already stated- giving Kvothe some sexual prowess, building his character, massive foreshadowing. Also, the cloak he gets from Felurian is bound to be important (it's mentioned several times in the Waystone Inn sections when speaking about legends of Kvothe), as is his conversation with the tree (that Bast remarked upon in the Waystone sections) and probably also his ability to call the wind while he was there. So, while it was kind of an awkward and sudden departure from the story for me, I've got faith that Rothfuss put it there for a good reason.
I definitely agree this is an important part of the book. Lots of explanation about the Fae, Kvothe gets a mysterious cloak and learns more details about major plot points (Denna, Chandrian...) from the talking tree. I've read to the point now where Kvothe is about to leave her and my opinion is much improved from the initial Felurian chapters.I reread said opening chapters and still wanted something different. Kvothe repeatedly cites his Edema Ruh travelling days for his current prowess. Hero or not, fae sex goddess or not, I found it very hard to believe he would dive right in to their first encounter.
At this point, I'm not sure how I would change it since the opening encounter gave way to his excuse for leaving as I said earlier (needing another/or many female comparison).
As James said:
So from the Fae Kvothe becomes a sex god.
Kvothe gets a cool cloak.
He does a few things to shape his story far into the future.
Time to keep reading!
I think it could've been shorter. I found myself skimming parts of this section because it just kept dragging on.
The Felurian section is what it is. It serves a purpose like every other section throughout the story: building Kvothe's character and detailing his life. Kvothe's first sexual encounter and "education" is not a small thing. It's an important part of being a boy/man (and a human being for that matter). Not to say one must have sex to experience life or be a man, etc. His encounter with Felurian was certainly not porn. That's silly. I thought this section was excellent like the rest.
Corbin wrote: "The Felurian section is what it is. It serves a purpose like every other section throughout the story: building Kvothe's character and detailing his life. Kvothe's first sexual encounter and "educa..."I thought it was awesome. It was foreshadowed ahead of time with the story he heard, so I took it in stride.
There are hugely revealing details in the Felurian chapters. She's been around since before the Faen realm existed. She tells Kvothe how to get back and forth between Fae. She shows him Grammarie.
So don't skip over it just because you don't like it. There's a ton of content there.
Eric wrote: "Corbin wrote: "The Felurian section is what it is. It serves a purpose like every other section throughout the story: building Kvothe's character and detailing his life. Kvothe's first sexual encou..."i agree totally
It's a Tom Bombadil moment. Perhaps interesting to some, utterly unneeded to others. Myself being one of the latter.
HA-HA... Tom Bombadil!!! Shane that is a great reference.However I do think there was a point to his time in the Fae:
1. He got the Shaed Felurian made him. This would help keep him alive and add to his lore.
2. His meeting with Cthaeh. His conversation with the oracle will lead him to further question Denna's patron, and of course bring about a great disaster.
Right, but did there need to be 70+ pages of sex intermingled through those points? Probably not.
Up to this point I was really looking forward to sharing the books with my kids. Unfortunately, this goes from PG-13 to R or maybe even an X. I still love the books - they're in my top 10 for sure - but alas this completely gratuitous couple of chapters mean my kids will have to wait a few years to read them.
Dave wrote: "this completely gratuitous couple of chapters"Hmmmm...
gra·tu·i·tous/grəˈt(y)o͞oitəs/
Adjective: Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.
Regardless of how much we dislike any given part of the series so far (and there's a couple bits I'm not crazy about), I don't think we're in any position to call anything Patrick Rothfuss has written in books 1 or 2 gratuitous until we've seen book 3.
I think it's a mistake to assume that his time there has much to do with sex. People fixate on it the sexual aspect in part because thin skin is an all too common trait and well... because sex. The moon information is obviously handy for later. The more interesting things however are what Kvothe did not know at the time. How exactly he managed to subdue the crazy sex fae is explained to him later. No, it was not his innate sexual prowess. How he managed to walk up to then away from a particular tree remains unknown to everyone. It's explained to him why it matters, past and present, and that he should not have been able to do so. Where were the guards?Looking back that could be the point he's corrupted or doomed. He may have become a piece in a larger game. It's a bit convenient that a very powerful entity decides to run rather than fight immediately leading to his fairy playboy camping adventure.
Alastair wrote: "Dave wrote: "this completely gratuitous couple of chapters"
Hmmmm...
gra·tu·i·tous/grəˈt(y)o͞oitəs/
Adjective: Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.
Regardless of how much we dislik..."
There's no information in those chapters that couldn't have been communicated in another way, so, gratuitous. I don't personally care that much, I was just disappointed that I couldn't share these wonderful books with my children. If you feel comfortable letting your young children read those chapters, then that's your business.
Hmmmm...
gra·tu·i·tous/grəˈt(y)o͞oitəs/
Adjective: Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.
Regardless of how much we dislik..."
There's no information in those chapters that couldn't have been communicated in another way, so, gratuitous. I don't personally care that much, I was just disappointed that I couldn't share these wonderful books with my children. If you feel comfortable letting your young children read those chapters, then that's your business.
Dave wrote: "There's no information in those chapters that couldn't have been communicated in another way"Have you read a pre-release version of book 3, or is it that are you telepathic?
Because if it's neither of those, then you are not in a position to decide that it's gratuitous yet. Because we don't know.
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I understand your disappointment in not being able to share them with your children, but you could always create an abridged version for them :)
Nice question...Does it fit with the rest of the story?
No.
Does it makes the story worse?
Absolutely not.
It doesn't fit. But that's because it gives a fae fealing. Just like we were reading a serious book and suddenly we got dragged into a fairy story. As Kvothes memories are patchy, the narration is somewhat different. And he drags A LOT in describing Felurian, which is just perfect, seeing that he's under her magic (at first), and even if he wasn't, she's perfect.
Not thinking about Denna is also not true. He does think about 'someone equal to Felurian', even in the heat of all the magic. He just dismisses the thought. Like any teenager would under those circunstances. (Actually, better. Everyone else died.)
Him being perfect at it is kinda meh. But its unnimportant, and there is no reason to fret over it. (It should be the 1st rule of this series: If Kvothe wants to do something, he can do it better than anyone else could with his ammount of learning...) And it isn't even the reason Felurian let him go.
And there are really important things in felurian's story. Could it be shorter? Yes. But I'm glad it isn't, since I enjoyed every bit, and every bit was needed. And I laughed so hard every time he compared Felurian and Elodin.
Well I thoroughly enjoyed it. The stories, the description of the fae world, the shaed making. It's such nice worldbuilding. It couldn't be done so beautifully in less pages.
Casey (Myshkin) wrote: "I really like these books, but the Felurian part was not much more than authorial wish fulfillment. It was 70 some-odd (IIRC) pages of 16 year-old virgin Kvothe impressing an immortal sex goddess ..."That was my impression. Kvothe is a great character but this didn't add anything. I finished the book last year and I actually can't remember what he got out of it for later plot.
I think too many people get caught up on the bit where Kvothe is in the fae, first of all it makes me wonder if any of you guys have ever been young? who as a young man would not want to A) be ravished by a beautiful woman B) brag about it after. Most of you still forget that even when the story is being told Kvothe is still in his early 20s. I for one enjoyed that part of the book especially the detail on the way the cloak was formed & the little hints Pat dropped for those who bothered to read it properly not to mention the tree. I would go into detail on who much the ending intrigued me but I'll save that for another discussion
There is actually another important thing that he learns from Felurian. She tells him that the part of the moon's name was stolen and sealed in a box. Also, that the one who did it is sealed behind the doors of stone. Well, the 3th book is named "doors of stone".
I'm sure it'll be important, but for me it could have been shorter. Gee, in saying that, I'm sure Kvothe is glad I wasn't editing that bit--wink, wink. Still a great book. Waiting for more is SO tough.
I am new to this forum/site and simply needed to chime in on this topic of Felurian in general. I joined this site solely to comment on the Felurian encounter and discuss this part of the book with Others.Frankly I am shocked to hear how many people regarded the time spent with Felurian as having a negative impact on the story. Are we reading the same book? I have been marginally dedicated to reading this second book in the series thus far and honestly, until the mercenary adventure began, was having a hard time staying dedicated to reading this novel daily. I can't help but truly enjoy Kvothe as a character, as I'm sure most of you feel similar, but his chronicles at times can be quite boring. However, his mercenary adventure turned my engagement level on its head and I was engrossed in the story from that point forward.
From the fantastically unique relationship and activities that take place with Tempi (i.e. - learning the Adem language, witnessing Tempi use his master martial artist skills, learning the Ketan (spelling?), have been superb. The battle sequence was amazing and kept me reading far late into the night. However, I felt the science behind how he used the dead mercenary as a sympathetic connection to personally execute several bad guys was a a bit under-explained. Nontheless, riveting. Awesome, awesome sequence, that battle that gained him in large part his "Taborlin the Great" like reputation, calling lightening from the sky, etc.
Now, for the Felurian section (which I am not finished reading yet - I am at the point where they just decided to venture off into the woods to make him a cloak). I was absolutely blown away by this entire encounter with Felurian thus far. The arrogance that convinced Kvothe to chase after her and have his own experience with the most famous beauty of all time was such an interesting twist. The way he had to chase her like an animal of prey initially, her "not human" sounding laughter, her powerful magic coupled with her superbly described beauty - the pure disregard for common sense as he made the decision to go after her was truly equivalent to deciding to shoot heroin because you believe you're strong enough to walk away in spite of its known, unstoppable grip on all who try it. This conceptual element of the Felurian encounter added so much excitement and truly got the pages turning!
Of course, the sexual encounters are described tastefully and his dawning realization that he really might become another Felurian statistic when he initially can't get his feelings under control and starts to slip into the mindless obsession she induces was astonishingly interesting.
Not to mention, his "Neo" moment where, similar to the Matrix, he began to realize his God-like potential and literally saw the name of all things floating in the air like procedural code (or music notes in Kvothe's case). How he used it to tame Felurian and steal his wits back before he became a mindless slave was breath-taking.
In addition, I feel like any fantasy fan would be engrossed in a sequence like this where a worldly human has a sexual encounter with the Goddess of all Goddesses and is able to mentally control the situation and transition to a position of being an equal to her, allowing him to simply stay and enjoy his time with her knowing he is in control and is able to safely revel in her beauty with the ability to leave when he chooses.
Its hard to describe but the description of Felurian and her powers painted an amazing collage of imagery in my mind that was a pure delight to experience as a reader. How anyone can even experience this part of the book and feel like it is "boring" or dragging the story down is unfathomable to me. For me, I simply wanted his time with her to continue and felt that the battle sequence and its transition into the time with Felurian has by far been the BEST part of the second book thus far. Apologies for the long-winded post, but I just had to express my delight with Felurian.
Kvothe's trip to the Fae realm and everything he learns there was definitely the most engrossing, exciting and important-to-the-plot part of book 2. I agree with Andrew that everything about the Felurian encounter was just amazing, but I think it gets even better when he wanders off and encounters another being in the Fae realm. I suspect the ramifications of this second encounter may have a lot to do with why "present-day" Kvothe is now a worn-down Innkeeper instead of a Hero King.My only complaint with the visit to the Fae world is that after that everything else Kvothe has done seemed a little trivial. I wonder why Rothfuss didn't save this part of the story for the climax of Book 2.
It's not Rothuss' story; it's Kvothe, and I believe people need to remember the distinct difference. The author's story is basically, "this other guy has a story", and here is how the character is deciding to tell it. An d yes, his ti,me in the Fae is important, because Felurian's experience with Kvothe changed him, we learned more about the Creation War and we met the Cthaeh, which is extremely important to what is happening in current-time, all while Kvothe slightly diverts us. But also, every single little thing, every word, that appears in this series is extremely important to everything. This is also important to keep in mind. It's also important to take not of the things that Kote deliberately leaves out. It is important that we acknowledge we don't know them.
A huge problem with this section is that Kvothe is a first person narrator. Let me get this straight: we don't KNOW if Kvothe had any experience because it's not in his narrative. So maybe he didn't find it necessary to add it because he didn't want to look like some casanova or focus the story on it?So yeah, then we get the part with Ferulian and it seems super strange because Kvothe is supposely a virgin.
I personally didn't enjoy the Ferulian part but that's just me.
I personally didn't have any problem with the fact that Kvothe was a virgin, yet was a wild man-beast in the sack wit Felurian because, I simply assumed that when you are *%$#ing Felurian, you are in a semi-magic induced trance that is brought on by her God-like seduction powers. Its not like you're with a mortal woman and stumbling around trying to find second base. You are in a sex-crazed stupor and all your animalistic/instinctual desires take over. And if you don't like that suspension of logic as a means to explain his prowess in his first sexual encounter with a female, then I'd suggest you look at it like Beast Boy mentioned above:
"It should be the 1st rule of this series: If Kvothe wants to do something, he can do it better than anyone else could with his amount of learning..."
The only thing that really bothered me about this section: it was like reading Dr. Seuss Porn. It had an 'Epic Poem' kind of rhythm and rhyme that I found my brain getting stuck in, and it took me a lot longer to finish as a result. I ended up skimming a lot of it in an effort to lose the beat.The more I think about it, the more I wonder if that was totally intentional: that it was written in such a way to stick out from the rest of the prose and show that it wasn't *supposed* to fit.
.... and I actually had to re-write this comment a couple of times because the memory of it was throwing me back into the beat.
There's no defending this section of the book. It might have "cool bits" in it but in terms of plot, it's a divergence. A dull, plodding, repetitive (repetitive repetitive, repetitive) episode. We get it, you want to leave, but she's hot, so you bone. All the little details seem more like notes on worldbuilding than plot revelations. The character herself is dull. The main problem I see across most of these comments is that this sequence is INTERMINABLE and it LEADS NO WHERE. I'm APPALLED that the editor didn't say "Hey Pat... maybe keep it to about 20 pages?"
I guess this part was added for 14 year old boys? I really saw no point to it beyond a teen's fantasy life being tweaked a bit.
Yes. I don't understand why everyone seems so put off by this and a number of other scenes. So far, everything has not only fit, but has been completely perfect and extremely important.
Shane wrote: "It's a Tom Bombadil moment. Perhaps interesting to some, utterly unneeded to others. Myself being one of the latter."Bombadil at least served a thematic purpose, Felurian does not.
Casey (Myshkin) wrote: "Shane wrote: "It's a Tom Bombadil moment. Perhaps interesting to some, utterly unneeded to others. Myself being one of the latter."Bombadil at least served a thematic purpose, Felurian does not."
I contend that Bombadil served nothing. I think J.R.R. just improvised LOTR and had little plan for how it would turn out. As a result, the whole first 150-200 pages is just from the wrong book. His editor should really have said "totally rewrite the beginning". That said, Bombadil is the deus in the machina that saves them from Old Man Willow and the Barrow Wights. The book really does rely heavily on Deus ex Machina. So in that sense, it sets the reader up for the crushing and continual facepalming as they read further.
As for Felurian, as I read further, the more I realize that she and the Fae episode serve a purpose, but they are just incompetently handled.
Virtually everything she says is a reference to something, many of which are clarified or made even mroe mysterious later. The meeting with the Cthaeh is the crux of the entire story. That happens in the Fae.
That said, 75 pages were not neccessary for Kvothe to hear about some ancient mishaps and meet the Cthaeh. This "crucial information" from Felurian and this encoutner could have been handled in a less objectionable/lame/childish/sophomoric/boring way.
Just one man's opinion, but from reading comments on this site and others, it seems that virtually everyone just felt that the Felurian episode was agony.
Since Pat Rothfuss has already edited the book once, changing Iax to Jax in a specific reference from Bast in the interlude following the Felurian episode, maybe he'll go even further and edit the horrid miscarriage down to a healthy 25 pages? From the 75? And take out the endless "she's so hot! WHAT DO I DO?"How about it, Patrick? Do what Mary Shelly did with Frankenstein and fix your book!
I am not a great Tolkien fan but Bombadil most certainly served a purpose. Bombadil served the purpose of showing that there were powers greater than the one ring, and therefore greater than Sauron. This would have been an important point to make for a devout Catholic like Tolkien.
Casey (Myshkin) wrote: "Shane wrote: "It's a Tom Bombadil moment. Perhaps interesting to some, utterly unneeded to others. Myself being one of the latter."Bombadil at least served a thematic purpose, Felurian does not."
Good point. Thanks.
.I am at the end of chapter 97...Kvothes encounter with Felurian. Now you know with Kindle...you don't have the thickness of the remaining pages to gage how close to the end you are...and the page numbering is just too weird...At any rate I am breathless...I think I am enchanted along with Kvothe...I am afraid to turn the page because I know I am near the end and I don't want it to end! Yes it fits! Oh I don't care if it fits or not...it is awesome, entrancing, enchanting! I am feeling like I have encountered the fae...I met them in Elle Casey's War of the Fae, In Charlaine Harris's Sookie Stackhouse series to name a couple.......Not for the first time but this leaves my insides all aquiver! All Hail Patrick Rothfuss! I shudder at the thought of having to await book 3!
I have just finished reading the part of the book when Kvothe is in the Fae. I have a theory and would like an opinion on it.Has anyone else noticed that in Felurian's dialogue, she doesn't use any capitalization besides the point after Kvothe offends her with the song. She says, "I am Felurian" (pg 647 in my book). I think this part of the story isn't just about Kvothe getting a new cloak and losing his virginity. It is also about the naming of things and Felurian's dislike towards naming.
In the narrative, Kvothe often brings up Elodin, his naming teacher saying "names were the bones of the world". Kvothe hesitates on giving Felurian his name because names give power to the person. Felurian does not capitalize Kvothe's name at all throughout this entrie section or anything else. She also will not say the name of the person who created the Fae. I think she believes that namers are too powerful.
I think we should also consider the fact that Kvothe calls the name of the wind while he is in the Fae. He awakens his sleeping mind.
There are many other examples of names and sentences that aren't capitalized. I would appreciate it if someone put their input into this theory. Turn back to those chapters and see if there is anything that I missed. Thanks!
I must say i enjoyed the Felurian part of the book, but at the same time i can understand why some people disliked it. Maybe the erotic part was unnecessarily long. Also in this part there are some pretty interesting bits, that can give the story an interesting turn, or could be critical later on in the story (for example the story about the namer Felurian told Kvothe, or that bit with the talking tree). We will see when the 3rd book comes out. All in all i enjoyed the Fae world part too and i think even if it feels out of place, at some point it will fit into the series just fine.
James wrote: "I totally agree with Jim The Felurian part seemed way out of place. He set the scene to amp you up over a job well done killing bandits and learning that they were lead by the bandits and that the..."He got a clock... yes, but its a Shaed. I see it more significant, like Taborlin the Great's cloak of no particular color, was his cloak a Shaed? Elodin knows about Shaeds. That is at least the way I see it in the story and makes a bit of that legend more real.
The way i see it; it was a fantasy of the author's and had no meaning whatsoever towards the actual novel.The only significance of that 'arc' was the items he gained, which i'm sure he could have gotten any other way other than having a 16(?) year old virgin seducing a literal god of sex. (because that totally isn't just Patrick Rothfuss's highschool fantasy)
I think the whole Felurian thing could have been done better. It seemed odd to me that she would just appear out of nowhere after they killed the bandits. It also dragged on a bit longer than it should have. I just felt let down after all the build-up about her. I will say that the talking tree was really cool, I just wish the rest of that part was handled better.
Emily wrote: "I think the whole Felurian thing could have been done better. It seemed odd to me that she would just appear out of nowhere after they killed the bandits. It also dragged on a bit longer than it sh..."I agree, I think the section with Felurian went way longer than needed. I think it was too abstract for me. I was desperate to read about Kvothe returning to the Maer and telling him about killing all the bandits, it really slowed the story down for me. However I found the part with the Cthaeh was very interesting. Regardless of that, I still loved the book, really brilliant read. I'm going to start 'The Slow Regard of Silent Things' now.
Juan wrote: "Emily wrote: "I think the whole Felurian thing could have been done better. It seemed odd to me that she would just appear out of nowhere after they killed the bandits. It also dragged on a bit lon..."It's been 3 hours so i assume you've finished it lmao
Idcboobs wrote: "It's been 3 hours so i assume you've finished it lmao "For a short book it was a pretty long drawn out read
The Felurian scene is the same as the rest of the book, in that it serves little practical "purpose" and seems to lead nowhere but to further Kvothe's ridiculously bag of skills and magical items. One could just as easily take issue with his trip to Ademre, although nowhere near as many do. He literally went there just to learn kung fu, just like he went to Fae to learn how to have sex good, get an awesome cloak, and make the horrid mistake of talking to the Cthaeh. But the former is okay, because...reasons?
To single out the Felurian part is missing the point, I think, because it really is the same as the rest. People just notice it more because, *gasp*, it's a lot of sex (god forbid), but it fits what Rothfuss has set up already of a tale of a legendary person's life where stuff just happens to them and often there's no ulterior point to it, kinda like real life. It's called a picaresque. Kvothe's lack of real emotional growth is another staple of this very specific genre. Again, whether or not that's your thing is another matter, but that's half of what these books are trying to be. The other half is a parody/deconstruction of fantasy tropes and traditions. They're written in a serious tone, and the prose is beautiful, but that's still what they are at the core. You think Kvothe is this freaking superhuman who's amazing at everything and has no real flaws on accident? He's the typical "overly competent" fantasy hero taken to the nth degree. Kvothe himself is a parody of fantasy heroes.
David wrote: "The Felurian scene is the same as the rest of the book, in that it serves little practical "purpose" and seems to lead nowhere but to further Kvothe's ridiculously bag of skills and magical items. ..."I don't know buddy.
I feel like that's a poetic way of saying that the book was written to be a teenagers fantasy.
Also Kvothe is a mary sue, there's no denying it really. He's good at everything because he's good at everything, no explanation is exactly given.
His lack of emotional growth can also be attributed to this since there isn't exactly anywhere for him to grow other than age.
I thinks it worth mentioning my reaction wasn't"OMG so much sex"
but
"OMG so much boring badly written sex"
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He had very little resistance from his mercenary team, despite their earlier story about the uncle getting killed by her and numerous other stories. It's never stopped Kvothe before I guess.
Kvothe is only 16 and has little to no experience with women. No real desire, in fact. Despite her fae power to lure him to her embrace, it still seems odd he would know what to do. She teaches him about love, making love etc., but I think it would make more sense had he had experience with the server at the Pennysworth Inn or even a prostitute first.
His lack of experience is also his bargaining chip I suppose, since he needs the touch of another woman to complete his song about Felurian.
And he also managed to call the name of the Wind?
I'm going to finish this part of the book tonight, but maybe someone could help me understand the author's purpose here a little better. Still 5/5 for me so far.