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Is there anyone else who wanted Bellatrix and lord voldemort to be secretly in love??

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Alex Smith I really think that it would have been a great contrast in lord Voldemort character if he did have a love interest yes his first love was the purity of the magical world but i do think that having love for Bellatrix would have made the story better. In the story i did get a small idea that he did love her especially in the chapter where she was killed and he screamed.


Aidyn well there is a lot of fanfiction about "the child of bellatrix and voldemort" but i dont really think so because bellatrix was just freakily obbsessed over voldermort, and was married.


Alex Smith Yeah i know that but Voldemort was the only person who could ever make Bellatrix submissive and cave in. if he didn't love her then i suspect she had love for him even after harry returned from the dead.


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Ana It would definitely make him seem more human and less scary if was capable of love.

I quite like the fact that he is so purely evil it makes it easier for us to hate him.


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Davytron I actually got the impression that Bellatrix was in love with Voldemort, but Voldemort was too preoccupied with vengeance, power, + immortality to pay attention.


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Davytron wrote: "I actually got the impression that Bellatrix was in love with Voldemort, but Voldemort was too preoccupied with vengeance, power, + immortality to pay attention."
I got that exact same impression. :P (because I hate both those characters.)


Jack Davytron wrote: "I actually got the impression that Bellatrix was in love with Voldemort, but Voldemort was too preoccupied with vengeance, power, + immortality to pay attention."
I think it's more that Voldemort couldn't love.


Maddy I think it would have been interesting if Bellatrix was Voldemort's one weakness in the whole "I cannot love" thing but I love the book the way it is.


Kressel Housman As said above, neither was capable of love, but there's a lot in the imagery between the two of them to suggest they were sleeping together. And I'm sure Bellatrix had no qualms about adultery. She had no qualms about torture and murder, after all.


Heather I think it's more of a mutual respect thing between them. Voldemort doesn't love, and he doesn't have friends that he cares for. They are disposable. Bellatrix was his second-in-command. Destroying her mostly ticked him off. As for Bellatrix, she fawns over him because she's twisted, and he's even more so. Not only that, but she's the world's largest suck-up. If you recall, she and the Malfoys are the first to throw people out of their way to escape when he starts killing followers after Harry escapes from Malfoy Manor. She fears him as much as she is seduced by his evil aura.


Lindsey You read my mind!


Sparky VOLDERMORT CAN'T LOVE


Bhavana Srunvanthi nah!! Loving someone will ruin voldermort's charector


Sparrowlicious Heather wrote: "I think it's more of a mutual respect thing between them. Voldemort doesn't love, and he doesn't have friends that he cares for. They are disposable. Bellatrix was his second-in-command. Destro..."

I like this one best.


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Elizabeth(The Book Whisperer) No, neither were capable of love.


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Ciara The truth is (or at least, this is what somebody said J.K. said...it was online.):

Bellatrix only married Rodolphus Lestrange so she wouldn't lose pure-blood honour; Voldemort was a Half-Blood. Really, she secretly loved Voldemort, and only married Rodolphus so her family would not disown her.

However, Voldemort did not return her love, whether he knew she loved him or not. He is incapable of love.

A note on Voldemort's parents:

The reason Voldemort cannot love is because his parents were not in love. If you have read the sixth book (Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince)it says that Voldemort's mother used a Love Potion on his father. His father, a Muggle, did not truly love his mother.


Natasha Yeah, I don't think I would have liked the idea of those two being romantically attached in any way. It would have ruined the whole advantage that Harry had in the first place. Love.

In fanfic however, I think it would be darn cute. :3


Cassondra Voldemort can't love, as so many have said. And given Bellatrix's atrocities, I doubt she was any better. If she felt any infatuation or obsession for Voldemort, it was not love. I think she was more awed by his power (and also afraid of it) than anything else anyway.

If Voldemort could love, the story would have been impossible. How could a being who was so evil he couldn't even have a whole soul love? How could someone like Voldemort (basically a combination of a sociopath and Hitler) possibly love someone and do what he did? I think the only reason Snape couldn't do what Voldemort did or remain in his service was his small seed of redemptive love for Lily, though that did not make him a wholly good person given his penchant for being mean to Harry.


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F B ^^agree! i also believe that Voldemort being able to love would have changed the dynamics of the story. i mean they would have become some kind of evil power couple you know? like the couple in Pokemon, Team Rocket!
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Though it is pretty obvious that Bellatrix is obsessed with the Dark Lord... He is too much of a lone wolf with a mission to be distracted by Bellatrix. He definitely won't be as evil as he is now.

To love is to destroy


i can't believe i am quoting Cassandra Clare


Nanna Hoé I think it would ruin the character, Lord Voldemort, if they had an affair. Lord voldemort is incapable of loving, he doesn't care for anyone, he's a narcissist and he doesn't let anything stand in the way of his wickedness. I absolutly think it would make Voldemort incomplete.


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Nanna wrote: "I think it would ruin the character, Lord Voldemort, if they had an affair. Lord voldemort is incapable of loving, he doesn't care for anyone, he's a narcissist and he doesn't let anything stand in..."
Yep. Bellatrix (which is Latin for 'female warrior') was obviously in love with Voldemort, but he was, as Dumbledore constantly reminds Harry, incapable of loving her back.


Taryn I always thought it a bit wrong to say that Voldemort cannot love. He clearly loves himself, and his power, more than anything else. So no, he wouldn't love Bellatrix. There's no room for her or anyone.


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Bellatrix was totally obsessed and in love with Voldemort. I think the idea of their child would have been amazing. But could Voldemort reproduce after he came back in the Goblet of Fire??He had the nose of a snake so....? And also Voldemort was not capable of love, could he lust?Of course he lusted after power, but was the idea of sex even appealing?Was he a virgin?Could he have used his powers to create a child inside Bellatrix just so his legacy could live on?Bellatrix could have almost been a sort of Horcrux if she carried Voldemorts' child. What would their child be like?Could he be Harry's sons ultimate rival?What would his goal be?


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Moonlight Bellatrix worshiped Voldemort the way that some women loved Adolph Hitler. Voldemort was not capable of love. He used every single person in his life including Dumbledor, Snape, Bellatrix, the Malfoys, and his grandfather. Remember what he said to Snape just before he killed him? He regretted losing a loyal servant but he must be the master of the elder wand. To have Voldemort love anyone would be inconsistent with his character.


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Jeni Voldemort was fascinated with power, immortality, and had a god-complex. He was not in love with himself. He doesn't even understand that as a concept. All his actions that would indicate he loves only himself are really self-preservation tactics. In fact, he routinely boggles at the idea of sacrificing oneself for friendship or love.

I never got the feeling that Bellatrix loved Voldemort, either. She also is a feral creature intent on her own preservation and acts out of her lust for power. As long as she stayed in his good graces, she would have what she needed. As long as she stayed in his good graces, HE would have what he needed. A soldier that was expendable.


Robert Lent Voldemort couldn't love, he burned that out of himself long ago. I don't think it is because his parents weren't in love. People are still able to love despite what their parents felt about each other. The trigger appears to be his father rejecting him. His mother loved his father, but his father only remained with her because of a love potion. She thought that she could stop giving him the love potion, and he would still love her. It didn't work, and his father walked out of not only his wife's life, but out of his son's life too. When his mother died, he was left in an orphanage. If his father had taken responsibility for him, there would have been no Voldemort.

But still, this doesn't excuse Voldemort. He could have made other choices, most people in similar circumstances do make better choices than he made. A bad childhood, parental abandonment, bad choices, and great magical power. Not a good combination. It makes me wonder, was there ever a time when he wasn't fully given over to revenge, when he wasn't yet Voldemort, or was there a time when he was just angry, but not yet evil? Probably at some point, but when we see him in school, he's solidly on that path.


Avani Actually, JK Rowling said that Bellatrix was truly in love with Voldemort.


Brianna Alex wrote: "I really think that it would have been a great contrast in lord Voldemort character if he did have a love interest yes his first love was the purity of the magical world but i do think that having ..."

Bellatrix was in love with Voldemort, but Voldemort is incapable of love.


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Alex Smith Lets just face it voldemort was into some kinky shit!!


Sarah That would have ruined the book because he is not suppost to know love that is what makes him who he is.Harry was the one fighting for love and friendship not Voldemort. Plus Bellatrix and Voldemort EWWWW!!!! I don't even won't to think about it.


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Plus Bellatrix was already married! :P


ѕтαяк I disagree. Part of what makes (or made) Voldemort so evil is the fact that he never experienced love. had he experienced love it would have ruined him.


Sarah What is that suppost to mean?


ѕтαяк Voldemort never loved. if he had he wouldn't be so evil. Plus that was Harrys advantage over Voldemort. Love


Angela Agreed with JoJo. Bellatrix may have been in love with him, and honestly I think she was. But she was an idiot or blind. He wasn't capable of love. I think he was a sociopath in the truest sense of the word. He didn't have the ability to love nor did he understand people who could, that's why he always underestimated it and that's why he could never win.


Gretchen Bellatrix was sorta that stalker crazy in love girl,the kind that should normally be avoided. Voldemort used this to his advantage. Voldemort chose not to love anyone but himself. It wasn't that he was not capable of love because of his upbringing, he had the same upbringing as Harry. Both were isolated from their natural world, both were bullied and had no parents. When presented with friends and love at age 11 Harry choose to embrace it Voldemort chose to dismiss it and instead only love himself.
You can't even argue that Voldemort wasn't loved by his mother. We don't really know that. We know that she was desperatly in love with Riddle (sorta that stalker crazy just like Bellatrix). She may have loved her son too, just as Lily loved Harry.


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i did and i didn't. i think for them, love is something a bit different for us. for them, love is like a mix of respect, power, fear, worship and sacrifice. i think in their own way, they did love each other. bellatrix worshiped voldemort and he considered her to be his most trusted ally and advisor (next to snape who he always had doubts about). this, i think, is the greatest form of love either of them can actually feel. i think it would have been out of character for them actually to profess their love for each other. not to mention, awkward. after seeing voldemort hug draco, i think all possibilities of a romantic relationship for you know who are nonexistent.


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Sarah Voldemort as a father... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...(cough, cough)HEh heh. No. He hated his father! the thought is kind of funny...ha!


lindsay I do believe that Bellatrix was in love with Voldemort, but I think the idea of having Voldemort in love with Bellatrix, or anyone, wouldn't fit in the story. It's said by J.K. Rowling that he is incapable of feeling love because he was conceived under the effects of a Love Potion.

So really, his story of being incapable of love wouldn't work if he was in love. It also would change his character and our perception of him if he had a love interest. He would probably be able to understand things such as love and friendship if he was, in fact, in love, which wouldn't fit into the story at all, and perhaps he would have never tampered with the magic that he did.

In short, Bellatrix was in love with Voldemort, but I never for a minute wanted Voldemort to reciprocate those feelings.


Charbel I always thought there might be something there- at least on Bellatrix's end. She basically worshiped the ground he walked on. But I don't think Voldy was ever interested in the matters of the heart. The only thing he was ever in love with was power.


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Lisa Ahronian Voldemort is incapable of love or any other positive emotion. He feels only hatred and greed, and contempt for everyone around him.


Charbel Can you imagine if the two of them had a baby? Shivering just thinking about it.


Praveen I don't think their relationship, if there was one, could be 'Love'. Role-play is the tamest term I can think.


Janese Jackson I think she was completely devoted to him in an unhealthy way, but he wasn't capable of love. He appreciated her slavish devotion & knew that he could count on her for anything, but there was no affection in him for anyone. I think it would've lessened the supremely evil creature that he was if he had loved anyone.


Khira Azhed Voldemort and Bellatrix?? in love?? hehehehehe...


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Cara I don't think either of them could have ever truly loved someone. Bellatrix was devoted to him, but Voldy is so evil that it really is impossible for him to ever love someone, even if they're also evil.


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Nah, Bellatrix worked so much better as the the desperately devoted minion than his lover. And Lord Voldy isn't necessarily the loving type...


Sophie I think Bellatrix wanted to be loved by him, but as you can imagine, Voldemort wasn't really on the same wavelength. Kinda too caught up in ruling the Wizarding world, you know? Too busy to have a social life.


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