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message 3201: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi Ally,

Welcome to the group, since you love history I am sure you will have a great time here discussing your favourite books and authors and I am sure you will find lots of good suggestions once you start poking around in the various threads.

Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you comment. (There is a link on the top right of the reply box.) It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them.

This is how a book that you mention in a post should look:

Ivan's War; The Red Army 1939-45 by Catherine Merridale by Catherine Merridale
(what I'm currently reading)

More information:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...


message 3202: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Aug 09, 2011 05:59AM) (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Thank you Aussie Rick for welcoming James, Kris and Ally. You have been especially helpful to them by adding our rules and guidelines and helpful links.

All, Aussie Rick was also kind enough to show you how the current book that he is reading is cited. However, we always add three things: the bookcover, the author's photo when available and always the author's link. In the book that Aussie Rick cited the author's photo was not available on goodreads.

James, your background seems like a great fit for the History Book Club. You mentioned the annual book collecting competition and I was curious how that worked.

Kris, medieval history is a focus that we would like to develop even further here and we could use some of your recommendations and assistance in that area. So we are delighted to have you join the group. Your background seems very deep and solid in those areas.


Ally, welcome. I am very familiar with the Ithaca area having spent a good deal of time at Cornell. What a great area to go to school. We hope that you find many good recommendations here and welcome any assistance you might be able to give us in the art history area.

Again, welcome all.

Bentley


message 3203: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig I would also like to extend my greetings to James, Kris, and Ally. Welcome aboard and I do hope you find our discussions and recommendations helpful, and I hope you are able to share your thoughts on books to us, as well.


message 3204: by Patrick (new)

Patrick Belair (belairpatrick) | 10 comments Hello, everyone my name is Pat, I'm 54 years old, I live in Burnsville, Minnesota, which is just south of Minneapolis.I love history can't get enough of it. I hope to be up to the challange of this group you all seem to be very knowledegable.Till we talk again thank you. Yours Patrick Belair


message 3205: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig Welcome, Patrick. Glad you could join us.

Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you ready to cite a book. (There is a link on the top right of the reply box.) It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them.

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a few moments to read the orientation:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

And our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask us moderators. I look forward to your postings.


message 3206: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Patrick, welcome to the History Book Club. We are happy to have you join. We learn from each other and we are sure that you are up to the challenge and will enjoy the discussions.

A special thank you to Bryan who was kind enough to add some helpful links explaining our rules and guidelines and our rules for citations which make it easy for our group members to reference books and discussions.

All best,

Bentley


message 3207: by James (new)

James Tracy (jamesatracy) | 3 comments Bentley,

The rules for the book collecting competition were pretty simple:

"Book collections must include at least 25 items, be owned by the student submitting the collection, and built around some unifying concept or theme. Each contestant has to also submit a brief essay about the collection and a bibliography of the items in the collection."

It was judged variously by the University's librarians and some outside book sellers.


message 3208: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Aug 09, 2011 10:56AM) (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Very interesting James. That must have taken some time and effort. But what an interesting concept.

What were the unifying themes of your collections.


message 3209: by James (new)

James Tracy (jamesatracy) | 3 comments My three collections built off of each other and each one all came back to the of issue of "Darwin's legacy" that I mentioned in my introduction. They were: (1) Darwinism, Evolution, & Religion, (2) The Great Monkey Trial (coincidentally, Edward J. Larson Edward J. Larson came to my campus that year and signed my copy of Summer for the Gods by Edward J. Larson Summer for the Gods, which I used in the competition), and (3) Charles Darwin: A History of Biography & Interpretation.


message 3210: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Very interesting James and a very good effort with the citations.

Summer for the Gods The Scopes Trial & America's Continuing Debate over Science & Religion by Edward J. Larson by Edward J. Larson Edward J. Larson

Charles Darwin Charles Darwin


message 3211: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi Patrick and welcome to the group, I hope you have a fun time here discovering new books and authors and talking about old favourites.


message 3212: by Alisa (new)

Alisa (mstaz) Welcome Ally, Patrick, and James, so glad to have you all with us! We have a diverse memebership with wide ranging interests in history so there are many threads to explore and books and topics to discuss. Hope you enjoy exploring and participating!


message 3213: by John (new)

John Desaulniers, Jr. (johndesaulniersjr) Hello to all.

I'm John - married with four adult children, owner of a Christian bookstore in the Des Moines, Iowa metro area, and bivocational pastor.

I come from a family of readers and writers but it wasn't until after college that my own love for reading began. History has particularly captured my attention in the last few years, and I'm finding myself somewhat addicted. One book references a topic that requires research, that leads to another book, then another.

Right now, I'm reading a book about 14th century Europe, another on 18th century America, a third on 19th century South Africa, and my newest is on Jimmy Stewart's time as a WWII bomber pilot. Plus, I have a "this day in history" book my daughter gave me for Christmas (she knows me). I'll post shortly on my recently finished WWI book.

What's most interesting to me in history are the anecdotal sides, the human interest aspects, I suppose. Each of us is part of history, and most of us will not be major parts. But the parts we play are what make up the major parts of history, and our histories in turn affect others. It's fascinating to find the nuggets of one small decision causing giant repercussions.

That's me in a nutshell. Looking forward.


message 3214: by Alisa (last edited Aug 10, 2011 08:08PM) (new)

Alisa (mstaz) John, thank you for that great introduction. History touches us all and is wide reaching. I am sure you will find plenty here to explore and discuss with other members and we look forward to your contributions.

As you get started please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you comment. It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them. This is how books you mention should look:

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot Rebecca Skloot Rebecca Skloot

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

Thanks and glad you joined us.


message 3215: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi John and welcome to the group, like Alisa has mentioned with your varied interests you should have a fun time here.


message 3216: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Hello John and thank you for that great introduction. You put a lot of effort into it and it was a tremendous way to get to know the group and they you.

Thank you Alisa for giving some great helpful advice and tips to John on how to be successful in the group and how to take full advantage of what the group is offering.

John, I have to agree with you that everybody is part of some segment of history and not just their own.

Thank you for your very introspective thoughts.

Bentley


message 3217: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig Well said, John, thank you for that. Welcome and I hope you find the group rewarding.


message 3218: by Scott (new)

Scott | 1 comments Hello everyone,
My name is Scott I am from Rhode Island and I am currently in school for secondary education with history as my focus. I was just online searching for books and I came across this site.


message 3219: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig Welcome, Scott. Glad you could join us.

Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you are ready to cite a book. (There is a link on the top right of the reply box.) It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them.

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a few moments to read the orientation:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

And our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask us moderators. I look forward to your postings.


message 3220: by 'Aussie Rick' (last edited Aug 11, 2011 01:41PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi Scott, welcome to the group and I hope you find some excellent books while you are here.


message 3221: by Bill (new)

Bill | 5 comments Hi there...just looking to read more about history...looking to start with early British history...I posted a suggestion on where to start but cannot seem to find it..."Prehistoric Britain" or something along those lines...

Anyways...looking forward to learning from you all! I'm an Apollo program freak...as I have time I'll post everything I've read on that topic...cheers,

Bill


message 3222: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Welcome Scott. We hope you enjoy your time here. Thanks to Bryan for showing you the ropes and links to our rules and guidelines.

As Bryan mentioned we do have rules for citations too that he was kind enough to point out for you.

We are glad that you found us on line and good luck with your school focus.

Bentley.


message 3223: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Aug 11, 2011 05:10PM) (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Hello Bill,

I am not sure what you are looking for. We do have a solid start in our Ancient History folder where you can find many books on prehistoric times. If you are looking for a thread in the British History section which is called Prehistoric Britain; I guess that I could add that for you.

If you are into the Apollo space program, I just set up a thread for Space Travel and Space Exploration that might be of interest to you and you might be able to help develop that thread for us.

Here is the new link:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/6...

Please remember that we do citations a certain way and this method is part of our rules and guidelines. We always add the bookcover, then the author's photo when available and always the author's link - so remember three parts.

Lost Moon The Perilous Voyage of Apollo 13 by Jim Lovell by Jim Lovell Jim Lovell

The above is a book by Jim Lovell which shows how we would add or cite that book: first the bookcover, then the author's photo and then the author's link which is the author's name in linkable text.

Here are some other helpful links so that you will start out on the right foot and understand the guidelines:

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

Thanks and glad you joined us.


message 3224: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Bill wrote: "Hi there...just looking to read more about history...looking to start with early British history...I posted a suggestion on where to start but cannot seem to find it..."Prehistoric Britain" or some..."

Hi Bill, welcome to the group, I moved your thread/post to the Introduction to British History until Bentley can set up a new thread for you.


message 3225: by Alisa (new)

Alisa (mstaz) Hello Scott and Bill! ~ Welcome gentlemen, we are glad you found the group and decided to join. There are many discussion threads as you may have surmised by now so please don't hesitate to join in any of the discussions. We look forward to your participation.


message 3226: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig Welcome, Bill, glad you found us!


message 3227: by Terrence (last edited Aug 15, 2011 09:56AM) (new)

Terrence | 17 comments Hey guys, new to Good Reads and just looking for some new history books to read that aren't written with too heavily an academic tone!! "The First Clash," is the best example of that from what I've recently read, and not sure if this is the place for historical fiction too but "Gates of Fire" is one of my all-time favs.


message 3228: by Alisa (new)

Alisa (mstaz) Welcome Terrence! We are glad you found us and hope you enjoy exploring and participating in discussions.

As you get started please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you comment. It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them. This is how the books you've mentioned should look:

The First Clash The Miraculous Greek Victory at Marathon and Its Impact on Western Civilization by Jim Lacey Jim Lacey Gates of Fire An Epic Novel of the Battle of Thermopylae by Steven Pressfield Steven Pressfield Steven Pressfield

I will also point out that one other reason these links are helpful is in the case of books that share the same title but are completely different subject matter and authors. We want to know which one you are referring to.

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

Thanks and glad you joined us.


message 3229: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Thank you so much for assisting Terrance who is very enthusiastic and started posting straight away. Good for you Terrance but do not forget that we have citation guidelines.

I bet that California weather is nice right about now. You always have cool evenings and I remember when I was out there last year during the summer it was unbelievably cool because of the fog rolling in.

I think you will find a little bit of everything here - all different writing styles (some might be more on the academic side but there are others at the other extreme which are not) - a little bit of everything.

We do historical fiction here on this site as well so the sky is the limit.

Bentley


message 3230: by Geevee (last edited Aug 15, 2011 01:51PM) (new)

Geevee Hi all,
I found out about Goodreads when it was mentioned in a UK national newspaper's Sunday magazine a few months ago.

I haven't posted on the group until the other day and forgot the intro thread so am putting this right.

I'm interested in many areas and periods of history, especially British, Commonwealth (nee Empire) and US. I have joined a couple of groups, including this one which offers a great spread of subjects, discussion and ideas on history. Already members' posts - especially Aussie Rick's - have pointed me towards so many new and exciting books.


message 3231: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi Geevee,

Nice to see you join the group, so welcome and I am sure you'll have a great time here discussing your favourite books and authors and I am sure you will find lots of good suggestions once you start poking around in the various threads.

Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you comment. (There is a link on the top right of the reply box.) It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them.

This is how a book that you mention in a post should look:

Tars by Tim Clayton by Tim Clayton Tim Clayton
(what I'm currently reading)

More information:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...


message 3232: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi Terrence and welcome to the group, I hope you have a fun time here finding new books and authors that interest you.


message 3233: by Alisa (new)

Alisa (mstaz) Hello Geevee, glad you joined and are already enjoying the discussions. We look forward to your participation.


message 3234: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Well we are glad to have you with us Geevee. We are developing the British History folder which maybe you can help us with.

Thanks to Aussie Rick for providing you with some helpful hints, links and our rules and guidelines.

Bentley


message 3235: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig Hello Terrance and Geevee, welcome.


message 3236: by 'Aussie Rick' (last edited Aug 20, 2011 04:07PM) (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi Lance and welcome to the group. I have deleted your post, as there is no self-promotion allowed at this group.

Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you comment. (There is a link on the top right of the reply box.) It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them.

This is how a book that you mention in a post should look:

The Siege of Budapest 100 Days in World War II by Krisztian Ungvary by Krisztian Ungvary
(what I'm currently reading)

More information:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...


message 3237: by Alisa (new)

Alisa (mstaz) Welcome John, glad you joined the group and hope you enjoy discussing history with other members.

As you get started, pPlease take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you comment. It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them. This is how books you mention should look:

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot Rebecca Skloot Rebecca Skloot

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

Thanks and glad you joined us.


message 3238: by Alisa (new)

Alisa (mstaz) John, you cannot post links to your own blog or authored works in The History Book Club threads. The discussion threads in our club are designed for discussion, and we do have author members, however our author memebers are not allowed to post their own works. We would love to have you participate on that basis. The links I posted above provide the detail of how things work with our club, if you have other questions feel free to ask. Thanks.


message 3239: by Alisa (last edited Aug 21, 2011 04:21PM) (new)

Alisa (mstaz) The History Book Club is happy to welcome all interested members. Whenever the moderating team welcomes a new member we post the club guidelines including an example of how to cite a book and author. There are reminders about our zero-tolerance for self promotion imbedded in the guidelines, and that and all the particulars are in place to foster enjoyment of everyone in the group.

The welcome and reminders follow. We look forward to member contributions.


Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the "add book/author" feature when you comment. It makes things so much easier for people to see your book recommendations, because they can see the cover and the links to the author. And it helps the goodreads software connect books with groups that talk about them. This is how books you mention should look:

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot Rebecca Skloot Rebecca Skloot

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

Thanks and glad you joined us.


message 3240: by John (new)

John Raikkonen (rantala) Hello every one. Thank you for having me aboard..

My name is John (Juha in Finnish) Raikkonen. I lived through the Finnish - Russian war in Finland and Sweden. The first war was in 1939, lasting only a year, when a tentative peace treaty was signed. I had been living in in Oulu, in North Finland for two years with my grandparents. Year 1942 brought the war back Many- many youngsters were sent to Sweden for safety. I was shipped over also to some family friends for four years to Orsa
In the Dalarna region.

In 1945 a new peace treaty with Russia was signed, with several stipulations and loss of our land in the Karelia area, in the South-East Finland and monetary obligations.
At that time the Germans were fighting against Russia over the Finnish Lapland border. Before the peace treaty took effect, Finland had to chase the Germans away. As they left our country, they destroyed everything ahead of them. They did more damage than the Russians ever did. It was a devastating blow to our small country.

My coming back to Finland after several years to the city of Hameenlinna, where my mother, brother and sister lived, was heavenly. Our father was still involved with the war and when he finally came home, highly decorated by Field Marshall Mannerham, we were so happy. The happiness did not last as he demanded divorce from mother and disappeared from our life without any financial help.

Life was hard for our little family for a few years, until mother got her old position back at the international famous Aulanko Hotel and resort. We moved to the Hotel’s premises and life became grand.

At age seventeen, I received a miracle. A wealthy widower from Philadelphia invited me to come to America, by paying for the travel, enrolling me into high school and later into college. It was like a dream. I had always heard that America was the land of opportunity. I grabbed hold of the new life and true to the “opportunity” saying, and eventually became a sought after Country Club Manager for many years in Philadelphia, Minneapolis and St Louis.

The last step was owning our own first class Italian Restaurant in Fairhaven MA for 23 years. Finally after selling the restaurant we retired and moved to South Carolina, just outside of Charleston, next to our daughter and three grandchildren.

I must say that I am a proud American from Finland, which lately has been in the news as an model country in the world.


message 3241: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig Welcome, John. I see Alisa has provided you with some important information.


message 3242: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi John, welcome to the group and thanks for sharing your amazing story.


message 3243: by John (new)

John Raikkonen (rantala) 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Hi John, welcome to the group and thanks for sharing your amazing story."

Hi Aussie: Thank you for your welcome.This site is new for me so it took a while for me to understand it but now I feel "at home" Please thank Alisa also.
Finland has a word....SISU....which means internal fortitude and it stems from the war time, which was so lop sided. Russia with its millions of fighters had planned to gobble up small Finland in no time, but they did not realize that SISU kicked in. Finland was like a hornet's nest stinging most Russians. They had to give up, defeated.
My father was the youngest Captain in the cavalry regiment during the war. I am proud of that, even thou he deserted us, I still loved him.
Thanks. John


message 3244: by Soner (new)

Soner | 1 comments Hey everyone, my name is Soner. I used to be quite the avid reader but for some reason I went through a period of a few years where I wasn't really reading that much. However, recently I started reading a lot again and I really can't get enough books. This group interested me because I want to learn about history, in particular medieval times.


message 3245: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Aug 23, 2011 06:05PM) (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
John wrote: "Hello every one. Thank you for having me aboard..

My name is John (Juha in Finnish) Raikkonen. I lived through the Finnish - Russian war in Finland and Sweden. The first war was in 1939, last..."


Welcome John, I see that Alisa has assisted you and told you about our rules and guidelines. She has also written you a note. Because of that, I found it hard to believe that you self promoted yet again after I deleted it once before. I just deleted it a third time in a previous post. If this happens again, the rules and guidelines outline the consequences. This is wasting the time of our dedicated and volunteer assisting moderators.


message 3246: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Aug 23, 2011 07:56PM) (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Todd, no self promotion at all. Our rules make it quite clear.

This part is fine:

Hi, I'm relatively new to the group. I live at the base of a mountain in Washington state, USA.

I didn't do a very good job following the group guidelines (you know you've screwed up when two mods correct you almost on top of each other), so I'm hoping my next book addition will work out better :)

I joined this group because I'm interested in history and often read, research and weave it into my stories.


message 3247: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (new)

Bentley | 44291 comments Mod
Hello Sonar,

Glad that you found us and thank you for your introduction. If you are interested in medieval times; our spotlighted discussion has featured a great book.

Also, please remember that we do citations a certain way and this method is part of our rules and guidelines. We always add the bookcover, then the author's photo when available and always the author's link - so remember three parts.

Lost Moon The Perilous Voyage of Apollo 13 by Jim Lovell by Jim Lovell Jim Lovell

The above is a book by Jim Lovell which shows how we would add or cite that book: first the bookcover, then the author's photo and then the author's link which is the author's name in linkable text.

Here are some other helpful links so that you will start out on the right foot and understand the guidelines:

More information:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...

Take a moment to read our guidelines:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/5...

and the orientation to get you started:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

Thanks and glad you joined us and I look forward to reading your posts.

Bentley


message 3248: by Alisa (new)

Alisa (mstaz) Welcome Soner and Todd, glad you both decided to join. There should be plenty here to stimulate your interests so please join in any of the discussion threads.

Todd, another Washingtonian! It seems like we all live at the base of some mountain, even the hills in Seattle are considered mountains elsewhere. There are some particularly glorious mountains here, and a great place to call home.

The links Bentley provided are great resources but if you need any assistance feel free to ask any of the moderators. As Todd knows, we jump in fearlessly at any rate but feel free to ask in advance. :-)


message 3249: by 'Aussie Rick' (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) Hi Soner and Todd and welcome to the group, I hope you both have a good time here and find everything your looking for.


message 3250: by Bryan (new)

Bryan Craig Welcome Soner, glad you found us and I hope you find the group rewarding as you learn more about history.


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