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A Dance with Dragons 2
Sansa...Queen in the North...
Littlefinger will get his comeuppance... Sansa has the foundations of ruling in her lessons, she knows how court is supposed to be ran, who to hire and for what, how to run a castle, etc... she just needs the politics and how to play the game and such, which she will learn from littlefinger.
I would NOT be shocked to learn she rules Winterfell at the end...
SPOILERS
Bran is off playing nature boy, Arya is an assassin, Robb is dead, Catelyn is... a zombie, Rickon is off with Osha, Jon is a bastard, so... yeah... I mean who else would do it? She's the only stark fit for it.
Unless GRRM is just going to be a big meanie and have no one rule it and leave it burned down lol.
Mike, in Storm Robb "signs" over Winterfell to Jon Snow. I think it was in case he died. Cos by that point he & Catelyn thought all the others were dead & or married to a Lannister.
I think it is right before the Red Wedding.
It's while they are still at Riverrun before he leaves for the Twins. But who knows where that paper went?
Still though... I believe Jon will become the Azor Ahai in my mind, so the only two candidates are Sansa and Rickon, since Bran is... erm... indisposed at the moment. Perhaps not Sansa since a Woman never rules in this world, she'd be married and the guy would have control, so it's probably gonna be Rickon that has Lordship of the North.Jon doesn't seem like the Lord type and pretty much as accepted that he is an outcast never to be a Stark.
Well, I agree w/ you on most of that. But, GRRM doesn't put much filler in these books ya know? He wrote that in there for a reason.
Unless they advance the next two books by a few years, Rickon would still be too young. He is at most like ( by now?
Neida wrote: "Mach wrote: "If Sansa became queen of the North, i would feel sorry for the North, they don't deserve a stupid girl like her as their ruler."Oh...she is far from stupid now! I can't wait to see w..."
I agree with this. I think it would be the perfect way for her to redeem herself in the eyes of her family. Go Sansa! :)
You also have Petyr grooming her on court intrigue... I honestly think this is what is going to happen... Petyr is also hatching a scheme to have her take back the north via marriage. The writing is on the wall, unless something gravely dire happens, I think Sansa is going to be the Stark in winterfell...
I didn't think Littlefinger wanted that type of responsibility. I don't think Winterfell would want Littlefinger as king either.
Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "I am pretty sure Arya was Tywin's cupbearer in the books."she was a messenger under Wes.. and when Roose Bolton came, he awarded her for her weasel soup by making her his cupbearer.
I think G.R.R.Martin doesn't give a tinkers damn what anyone thinks... He's going to write it HIS way. AND Littletwisted-finger has grande plans for Sansa... Remember, if you read very carefully the lineage he described....she is to marry the real heir, Oncet, SweetRobyn breathes his last wheezy breath. cough gasp choke!
Sooo. Sansa will be the daughter of the Lord of Winterfell and the Queen of the Aerie,( or however it's spelled.) wham am thank you Mam,
Yeah thats the one! Thanks.... I'm the worst at spelling. As you well know!
Mike wrote: "I literally wanted to brain Sansa. What a pathetically weak little girl...THEN I THOUGHT WITH MY BRAIN...
She is literally without allies, any she would possibly consider are going to dupe her f..."
Your have a point -- just surviving under these circumstances means she's one tough little girl.
The way I figure it, she knew to keep her mouth shut in Joff-( spawn of the twincest devil child's presence) so she's learning to use her other 4 senses as well.Observing Littletwistedfinger... And how he does whatever it is that he does.
Listening carefully to all the info from everyone....
making sure no one poisons HER in the process ( I hope she's using SweetRobyn as a food taster!)
and sniffing about for a way out of this mess!
That's assuming Sansa learns what it means to be astute and observant and stops waiting to be rescued, which seems to go against her system of belief, but I do hope she bucks up and stops being a whiny doormat.
I agree, in A Feast for crows Sansa some how seems to be growing some sort of back bone but then she just seems to be going with what ever little finger says! She is HEIR of Winterfell (she thinks everyone is dead) and she just thinks Little Finger is helping her! I mean sure he is teaching her a few things about playing "The Game of Thrones" But seriously when is she going to stop believing that her life is songs which are about heroes and knights! She holds no interest for me...
Sansa is NOT the heir to Winterfell. Jon Snow is even tho he is in the Night's Watch & (view spoiler) Robb signed those papers proclaiming so, since @ the time Sansa was/is married to a Lannister & they thought all the other Stark children dead. As I have stated before GRRM does not seem to give us useless information. This "royal decree" or whatever is gonna come back into play @ some point.
Maggie wrote: "Sansa is NOT the heir to Winterfell. Jon Snow is even tho he is in the Night's Watch & [spoilers removed] Robb signed those papers proclaiming so, since @ the time Sansa was/is married to a Lannist..."On a unrelated topic. How do you hide spoilers?
< spoiler > enter spoiler in here < /spoiler > Leave out spaces in between brackets. :)
I'd like to state that is Sansa becomes Queen in the North, I'll piss all over my books and set them ablaze. I'm not sure if urine is flammable, but I'll find a way.
Lolrotflmao!Seed! yer a bright light in this dark world inside my twisted head,
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Cheers Maggie! (view spoiler) (except for the weird brackets :S)I think this thread ought to be devoted to what we would do if Sansa does indeed become Queen of the North,needless to say, I'd pity the North for having such an ineffectual Queen, but I could be wrong!
Well, if she is in ineffectual Queen then someone will overthrow her. It happened in the English monarch. :)
@ Jayme, that would be sad tho cos "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell."
Well there is still Bran and Rickon and Arya. Not saying it will happen but there is a possibility.
She wouldn't be ineffectual, probably, cause she'd only be a puppet to somebody else. I'm guessing Baelish.
Hmmm...now if Sansa marries who Littletwistedfinger wants her to marry she will have Winterfell and be Queen of his realm by marriage as well, neat plan if I do say so myself!
Sansa is not going to a puppet for much longer, she is gonna be a great player. I find she is a lot like Ned, but add in Littlefingers talents for playing the game of thrones and she is gonna be unstoppable. I definitely think she will be the "younger, more beautiful Queen" from Cerseis prophecy.
Abso-Tyrion-lately! ( I use his name when and where ever I can!)
im still not over her contribyting to so much angst in book one. she is responsible for the loss of two stark pups, the death of her father, and just a waste of air for a thousand pages. and she could have been done with joffrey long before he got as bad as he did. im sorry but after he showed me my fathers head piked i dont think i could have stopped from dumping him over the wall
Ned is responsible for the death of Ned, not Sansa. And wow, i don't see how you can fault her for not killing Joffrey in that instance, it would of surely been the death of her as well. She played her part in Joffreys death anyways lol.
Jake wrote: "Ned is responsible for the death of Ned, not Sansa. And wow, i don't see how you can fault her for not killing Joffrey in that instance, it would of surely been the death of her as well. She played..."I disagree. Sansa played a huge part in Ned's death if she would have stayed true to her family instead of running to Cersi then Ned may have survived long enough to get out of King's Landing
I think the Cersei would have killed Ned regardless.
For just a fleeting second there I thought she was going to jump off that ledge herself but I realized that would have not moved the story along. Unfortunately if she had given the brat the "ol nudge" she'd be dead as well, so it was a lose, lose situation. Cerci would have chewed off her head with teeth bared, or slapped her to death. ( hmm I'd think I might have liked to have seen that? ) nope, I guess....it worked out the way it was meant to be....As for the Ned thing, it's possible, given the shock shown by Cerci, she'd have let him at least head for the wall and maybe had him killed on the way?
I'm not saying Ned wouldn't have died, he'd be dead by now for sure but it's Sansa fault it happened as fast as it did.
Kenneth wrote: "Jake wrote: "Ned is responsible for the death of Ned, not Sansa. And wow, i don't see how you can fault her for not killing Joffrey in that instance, it would of surely been the death of her as wel..."Ned literally told Cersei he knew about the incest and just let her go on about her day without even telling Robert on his death bed, ummmm yeah Sansa may have been a naive 13 year old girl who was infatuated with being with her "prince" but Ned managed to be just as dumb as a 13 year old girl was! Don't get me wrong i love The NED but it is really not Sansas fault he is dead, She definitely made a mistake but Ned killed Ned through his own stupidity
True Jake true... Ned wasn't the brighter bulb in the box, but he thought himself invincible. Right vs. might and all that. His failure to see what would happen without Roberts support was sheer madness.
Hey, Jayme doesn't Cersi blame Ned's death on Joffery? Even so, you still think she's behind it?Jake & Ada-Lee, It's honor not stupidity. Ned wanted to give Cersi a chance to split w/ her kids so Robert wouldn't kill them. Ned didn't want to upset his BFF while he was dying. I'm in NO WAY saying he was not responsible for his own death. Cos, clearly he was but, it's certainly not because he was stupid.
That's true too! Honor is important... But at such a high cost?
I don't think Sansa would have any power to do anything at that time. She was still playing the dutiful, obeident daughter and betrothed role.
Maggie wrote: "Hey, Jayme doesn't Cersi blame Ned's death on Joffery? Even so, you still think she's behind it?Jake & Ada-Lee, It's honor not stupidity. Ned wanted to give Cersi a chance to split w/ her kids so..."
Yes, Ned made the honorable decision and i love him for it but it doesn't mean it wasn't stupid imo. Either way Sansa was hardly to blame.
Perhaps if Ned paid more attention to his heroic delusion drunk, spoilt teenage daughter, he might not have been betrayed by her, albeit unintentionally. Of course Sansa would likely have not been able to anticipate Cersei's reaction, but seriously though, what did she expect the outcome to be? Perhaps because she was married to Robert, Daddy's bestest friend she'd give Daddy ponies and precious stones to make his little Princess happy or some such selfish empty-headed nonsense she would have likely composed for her self in her 'reality'.That said, Ned was an idiot, he forgets the fundamental rule of power, it needs support, it's all very well to be the lone voice of integrity and honour, but you need powerful friends to uphold it with you to see that justice is done. She's the Queen, and telling her back off I know your secret isn't the smartest thing to do when you're dealing with a devious Lannister, whose emblem ought to be the duplicitous snake instead of the deceptively noble lion, but c'est ironic no?
I agree their emblem should be the snake
Isn't there a creature with the front of a loin and the rear of a snake or did i just make that up? (Well of there isn't there should be! ) a Slyon?
I am actually interested to see what happens with her in the next couple books -I feel like she will foil Littlefinger eventually. Maybe not by outsmarting him, but by strategically revealing her true identity or some such.