I need help with the ending!

[Erin]

Okay at the end the women named Amanda comes.....Why is her fake last name Prior? Also just explain that whole part because I dont get it! Thanks

[Devin]

The last name is Prior because its showing that she's related to Tris. Her last name is also Prior. That whole thing is basically saying that this controlled society is the way it is because there were so many bad things happening in the real world, behind the fence. So they made this society using the five "most important" traits for human survival. Amanda Ritter was placed in the test world with other people with her memories erased and a new name to see if this society would work better. They were supposed to show the video to everyone once there was a large enough population of Divergent people.

[Erin]

Ahhh that helps! Thanks

[Erica]

Erin wrote: "Okay at the end the women named Amanda comes.....Why is her fake last name Prior? Also just explain that whole part because I dont get it! Thanks"

how do you know that?

[Erin]

Its in the book....

[Tyla]

But why would they show the video when there are a lot of Divergents ?

[Meghna]

Tyla wrote: "But why would they show the video when there are a lot of Divergents ?"
because divergent people have more than 1 of the qualities of the factions which will "cure" the world outside the fence.

[Heather]

ohhhh i get it! i kept rereading the last couple of pages over and over and still couldn't fully get it. Thanks for breaking it down!

[themikko]

I couldn't get it either. Thanks.

[chinami]

When was this video made and how long have the ppl being living inside the fence?

[Max]

Veronica wrote: "When was this video made and how long have the ppl being living inside the fence?"

That hasn't been answered yet. We will probably get a better idea in the final book.

[Nat]

I don't really understand what she means by: "like the rest of you, I will voluntarily forget my name, my family, my home" the rest of you? So none of them were born there? And I don't understand what the point of creating these factions were, if they wanted people who didn't fit into them to begin with...? argh. lol. And how are the Divergent supposed to help them? What are they supposed to do? Ahh, I really don't get it

[Erin]

I dont get it either...

[Erin]

Hmmmm possibly

[Nat]

Ok, So I have thought about it more, and I get the IDEA of the ending... I think I understand the direction it's headed in, but I feel like there is still some vital information missing... but it will probably just come in the third book. So I'm not worrying about it anymore. I'm just thinking of Four instead. ha.

[chinami]

Dhavni wrote: "I think that Edith Prior is most likely Tris’s grandmother, Tris’s mother’s mother. Towards the end of Divergent when Tris’s mom was rescuing her she mentioned that her mother was a Dauntless leade..."

i think so too. but i'm speculating on more generations to have gone by as the society looks well established.

[Melanie]

Wouldn't Prior be on Tris's FATHERS side, since the women take the mans last name? I assumed it was her paternal grandmother.

[Taylor]

Melanie wrote: "Wouldn't Prior be on Tris's FATHERS side, since the women take the mans last name? I assumed it was her paternal grandmother."

When the were describing the marriages in Abnegation, they said they took A last name, they didn't specify which side they took it from. So it could be her Mothers.

[Taylor]

Melanie wrote: "Wouldn't Prior be on Tris's FATHERS side, since the women take the mans last name? I assumed it was her paternal grandmother."

When the were describing the marriages in Abnegation, they said they took A last name, they didn't specify which side they took it from. So it could be her Mothers.

[Scarlett]

This is what I understood on whatever the video said: There is some massive war/massacre that is going on outside the the Gates. Edith Prior, may be one of those Peace leaders that is trying to bring back 'humanity sense' in the world but failed. So their setback is to group the rest of the people (Maybe group of professionals and normal people) that still believe in Peace and isolated themselves to build a new humanity which will be thought how to not turn their back against human kind.

The video also said that if their population gets a lot of Divergent, that is the time to leave the isolation and join the outside world. (So humanity can continue) but people like Jeanine doesn't like the idea of it. Why? She's obviously more scared on what's on the outside. She likes the isolation. She doesn't care about saving the human kind outside the gates. That's why she hates the Divergent population is growing more rapidly and she made Caleb believe that as well. She wasn't looking for power, but control because of fear.

Now, maybe because of long procedure of getting Divergents; the next generation thought that being a Divergent is impossible and bad. Why wouldn't they think so? They do not know the real reason of the isolation. Like the video said, the faction was started with false reasons because nobody wants to let them know the truth only their leaders. But what if all their leaders were run by fear? And they buried the truth more and made being a Divergent forbidden?

So the reason of letting it known by everyone is because that maybe more of the population isn't run over by fear and maybe the people will decide for themselves that they will rejoin humanity outside the Gate (because that ain't happening soon if the truth wasn't revealed, let's face it). And that is what we are about to find out I guess on the next book. Hope my opinion helps.

[Erikka]

Yes, I think it's Tris' grandmother or relative. I'm wondering if we're going to find out that:

A) the territory is experimental and the rest of the world is fine (or recovering from whatever happened in the video that clearly made Chicago into a wasteland)

B) they've been there a lot longer than we initially thought (i.e. Amanda may be an ancestor from several generations ago).

That's just my suppositions for how the last book might go, but just guesses obviously.

[Darina]

I agree with Scarlett, I got the story this way too.

I would just add that when starting this huge social experiment the people believed that those values will preserve. Well, during the books we could clearly see that it didn't turn out this way. Every faction is corrupted in some way or the other. The divergents that have several values are really the only ones that can truly be good.

There is something missing fromt he whole picture. I wonder what they really thought at the beginning of this "experiment".

About how long they were there:

I believe they were there approximately 60-100 years, 3 generations. Amanda is from the first people who isolated themselves in the city. Her children are the 1st generation and Tris is second generation, as it was mentioned somewhere in the book.

[Sadaf]

I agree with Darina about the time frame.

Another thing I didn't quite get was, how Marcus kept mentioning that they(I'm guessing he was referring to the Abnegation leaders...) were all "placed" there...does that mean that people like Marcus and Andrew didn't choose Abnegation willingly?

Besides the whole experiment doesn't seem to have turned out the way they expected it to....these factions turned towards violence too, so how can they be of any help to the outside world?

[Katrina]

Darina wrote: "I agree with Scarlett, I got the story this way too.

I would just add that when starting this huge social experiment the people believed that those values will preserve. Well, during the books we ..."

Edith Prior is Tris' grandparent. Remember when she went through the Erudite through to get to Jeanine and the computer, the machine was like "Beatrice Prior blahblahblah Abnegation blahblahblah Dauntless blahblahblah SECOND GENERATION" So yeah.

[Kass]

Katrina wrote: "Darina wrote: "I agree with Scarlett, I got the story this way too.

I would just add that when starting this huge social experiment the people believed that those values will preserve. Well, durin..."

I wonder, since that time frame seems accurate, what happened to the people outside the fence?

[Sadaf]

Kass wrote: "Katrina wrote: "Darina wrote: "I agree with Scarlett, I got the story this way too.

I would just add that when starting this huge social experiment the people believed that those values will prese..."

They've probably been killing each other off...

[Elyse]

Some of you are forgetting that when Tris walked into Jeanine's office it announced that she was second generation. Meaning that there's a 99% chance that this Edith Prior was her Grandmother. So this experiment can't have been going on for very long.

[Kass]

Elyse wrote: "Some of you are forgetting that when Tris walked into Jeanine's office it announced that she was second generation. Meaning that there's a 99% chance that this Edith Prior was her Grandmother. So t..."

Maybe..., but still, there are still people youger than Tris.

[Elyse]

Kass wrote: Maybe..., but still, there are still people youger than Tris.

I don't understand what you mean.

[Kass]

Elyse wrote: "Kass wrote: Maybe..., but still, there are still people youger than Tris.

I don't understand what you mean."

What I meant was that since there are younger people than Tris, there are like, 3rd generations and stuff, so, it could possibly be that long.:)

[Sadaf]

Elyse wrote: "Some of you are forgetting that when Tris walked into Jeanine's office it announced that she was second generation. Meaning that there's a 99% chance that this Edith Prior was her Grandmother. So t..."

A 70 to 80 year time frame really isn't all that long. That much time would be needed for their society to get where it is now, since they were completely cut off from the rest of the world. Also in the beginning of Divergent, while giving his speech during the Choosing Ceremony, Marcus starts off with " Decades ago our ancestors realised..." Unless his speech was crafted to conceal the information, 70/80 years seem reasonable...

[Camille]

So that means they're like some sort of experiment? NOW I GET IT. God, I kept reading the last part over and over again!

[Elyse]

I think his speech was crafted to conceal the information since Abnegation knew.

[NatTheRatFace]

Erin wrote: "Okay at the end the women named Amanda comes.....Why is her fake last name Prior? Also just explain that whole part because I dont get it! Thanks"

lol, I was so confused , thx