Mockingjay (The Hunger Games, #3) Mockingjay discussion


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Worst. F**king. Ending. Ever!

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message 351: by Thomas (new) - rated it 5 stars

Thomas Taylor I thought it was a great ending. None of the, "Hollywood wrap everything up in sugar" kind of ending that I do not like at all. She even had scars that were not magically healed by some wondrous ointment or whatever. I enjoyed the three books from start to finish.


message 352: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Rylee wrote: "Anika "Who loves chocolate" wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died. Gale was responsible for Prims death so Gale knew that Katniss wou..."

I agree on the the fact that Katniss never acted on anything in the end when she's set up to be someone who will take action. Katniss doesn't just stagnate, she devolves as a character. I also wasn't invested in either Gale or Peeta but even there, Katniss settles on one whomever is convenient. The war's over, let's just retreat into obscurity and oh you want kids Peeta? Sure, why not?

The book ended poorly because the ending was poorly written.


message 353: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Tanvira wrote: "THe death actually played a huge part to the end of the war, prim dead means snow and coin dead which means panem wouldn't be ruled in the messed up way it had been for the past 75 years. They need..."

How did Katniss know that someone worse wouldn't take over if Coin died?


message 354: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Neesh (LINKIN PARK FTW) wrote: "Brit wrote: "3rd book felt super rushed, like she got tired of writing it. Kind of a bummer since the first 2 were good. I don't really have a major complaint about the ending really. I just felt t..."

I actually thought the second book depicted Katniss as a fighter dealing with her PTSD in a constructive way. She was facing her fears and even though she was damaged, she faced the obstacles in her life head-on. In Mockingjay, she had PTSD and collapsed. Realistic, yes. Good fiction and true to established character motivation? No.

Good fiction does not have to be overly realistic.


message 355: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Wendylicious wrote: "I like the ending.

Life isn't all happy happy joy joy and this book reflects that. In life, people die; little sisters die.

The entire point of the book is to make the reader THINK; think about w..."


I think that when faced with tragedy, some people run and some people stand up to fight. It's more interesting to read about those who stand up and fight. I remember a character named Katniss Everdeen who used to do that.


message 356: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Bill wrote: "I find it amusing that people are upset that the ending of a bad book is bad.

There are issues all THROUGH Mockingjay. I could be here all day long pointing out the problems (like why the Capitol ..."


I agree. The book was serviceable at best. The 1st person POV was a major weakness in the book because all the interesting stuff happens outside of Katniss' POV. Repeated plot elements of drugging or knocking out characters gets old. Characters that are well established devolve to serve the message of the book and create a plot that has a lot of holes (not big holes mind you, but holes). And finally the ending, the rushed ending.


message 357: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Alberto wrote: "Anika *Who is very obsessed with cheese!* wrote: "Prim had to die for many reasons.. Katniss wouldn't have killed Coin if Prim hadn't have died."

Please explain what possible motivation Coin had t..."


Agreed. We know Coin isn't an angel but she was painted with this broad brush so we'd have a reason as to why Katniss did what she did.

Sorry, not buying it. Not buying any of it. It just smacks of lazy writing and a deadline that needed to be met. Like she had a good ending and her cat knocked her laptop into the pool and the ending got erased and she had to write the whole thing from memory before the deadline came.


message 358: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Holly wrote: "Alysha wrote: "To be honest.... I loved the book in it's self i hated the way they did the move of it. I mean yeah the ending of the book was said but the final ending was sweet i loved it. So y'al..."

I agree. I think it was Collins' attempt to convey that 1- life isn't fair and 2 - no good deed goes unpunished.


Because that's why I read a three book series. To learn what I already know.


Lazharae Hall this was the worst ending ever there should have been a fourth book


message 360: by Jonida (new) - rated it 3 stars

Jonida There are worse ending believe it or not. I do not mind a realistic ending but it is the unthought , abrupt way it ended that makes it terrible. The whole third book was sloppy.


message 361: by Heidi (new) - rated it 4 stars

Heidi I am 14 years old, and I was personally very disappointed with the ending and pretty much the whole book. I felt like I didn't even know the characters in the ending. They were nothing like in the beginning of the first book. Katniss had - in my oppinion - lost her spirit to fight, Peeta was not loving and caring, and Gale had become an extreme version of the boy in the woods, criticizing Capitol's ways. I know what war does to people, and that there is no way everything could just go back to normal, but ALL of my favorite characters either die or change completely.

I also feel like Peeta's and Katniss' lives seem so empty. Some days, they are happy and others, they don't see anything good about living. So the characters were empty, feelings were empty and so on, and leaving me turning the last page so empty with no real answers. I felt so depressed, but I must say that it certainly did not turn out the way that I had expected or wanted it to, for that matter.


message 362: by Meg (new) - rated it 5 stars

Meg McGregor I agree that the ending was terrible. But the absolute worst ending was to the Animorphs series. I had read all 50 and more books in the series and then the author kills off the romance in the whole series, kills 2 major characters, and leaves the ending open. I was livid about that as you can probably tell.


message 363: by Elekis (new) - rated it 4 stars

Elekis I loved the ending. Throughout the series I disliked Katniss but that's what made the series so amazing. In good dystopic novels main characters are perceived to be horrible characters because they are going against the protocol the way society runs and therefore are ruining it, our natural instinct is to dislike characters like this. So at the end when Katniss decided to continue the hunger games with the population of the capitol we were able to see she wasn't perfect, Suzanne Collins continued Katniss's characteristics with a natural flow. If Prim hadn't been killed then Katniss wouldn't have made that decision, this is called a domino effect. Something happened and this lead to another and another and another... if Prim had not died then Katniss's character would have been destroyed.


message 364: by Mike (new) - rated it 2 stars

Mike Elekis wrote: "I loved the ending. Throughout the series I disliked Katniss but that's what made the series so amazing. In good dystopic novels main characters are perceived to be horrible characters because they... Something happened and this lead to another and another and another... if Prim had not died then Katniss's character would have been destroyed. "

That's the point. Prim didn't die because it was central to the story. She died so The Author Could Make a Point That War is Bad and War Destroys Lives.

Also, I like characters who disrupt society, especially a society as dystopian as Panem. Hell, most heroes disrupt society when they see injustice. In real life, Martin Luther King, Ben Franklin, Ghandi. . . they saw society as unjust and you best believe they disrupted society so it would change. So the argument that our natural instincts are to not like characters who disrupt the workings of an unjust society don't fly.

The last part of Mockingjay was contrived to fit a certain message. Besides the fact that it felt rushed and was sub par on a technical aspect, it failed because it didn't pay attention to character continuity. Katniss may be flawed, but she overcomes adversity. It was pure bait and switch; we got a Katniss who went backwards in character development.


The_Halfblood_Muslim i hate katniss


message 366: by Eulene (new) - rated it 2 stars

Eulene They got the wrong girl out of the arena. It wasn't Katniss, it was Bella Swan.


message 367: by Kenny (last edited May 14, 2013 12:24PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kenny McCain David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."
Well personally I though it was a bad ending, but in real life there is no real happy ending! You always make sacrifices and go through heart breaking events. I love this series because it resembled things that could happen in a possible future.
Kenny-District 4


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Yamz0619 wrote: "i hate katniss"
She sucks.


message 369: by Kenny (new) - rated it 3 stars

Kenny McCain That person should not be in this chat, hating and all.


message 370: by Daniel (new) - rated it 5 stars

Daniel Elekis wrote: "I loved the ending. Throughout the series I disliked Katniss but that's what made the series so amazing. In good dystopic novels main characters are perceived to be horrible characters because they..."

Another person that didn't understand the book. When Katniss voted for another Hunger Games, she didn't actually want another one. If you read the book properly you should have understood that.


message 371: by Sarah (new) - rated it 3 stars

Sarah Vogel I have quite the opposite idea about the ending. In my opinion, KATNISS GOT OF LIGHLTY. I was so freeking annoyed that she ended up with Peeta. I wanted Peeta and Prim to die, Gale to leave because he basically killed Prim, leaving Katniss alone and then commit suicide. I know thats even more bleak than the storyline, but it makes more sense to me.

Peeta - he basically got of scot free throughout much of the games hardly killing anybody. He is alive because Katniss saved him pretty much. But he was too wordy and not enough action and he probably should have been killed the same way as Finnick (with the mutts)

Katniss - she doesn't deserve the love that Peeta gave her. With him and prim dead and Gale gone, she has no one to love or care for her. so she turns to alcohol and morphling and eventually overdoses

Prim - she had to die. there was not other way. the irony worked

But yeah, i'm mean when it comes to characters. In Harry Potter, i was hoping one of the trio would die. Same with plenty of other series.

- Sarah


Stephanie Bolen Plots within plots, the first books were simple you knew who the bad guy was and the hero outsmarted them. This book shows you that the world isn't that simple, and that there are no such thing as the bad guys, both sides are equally bad, so what does the hero do? She breaks, and never really recovers. Beautiful in it's own tragic way.
And really how can Gale and Katniss not end on a bad note he came up with the plan that killed her sister. And it had to be Prim because if it had been some other group of innocents that were martyred Katniss may not have acted. Or if she had heard about it instead of seen it with her own eyes she would have used it as a fuel to take down the Capital and left it at that. 13 would have won either way.
Katniss isn't King Arthur, she isn't trying to create a new world. She's more like Odysseus, roped into fighting a war and finding out that her journey isn't over after she's led her side to victory.
She goes to war for personal reasons, and all she wants at the end of the day is for her family to be safe. If Prim would have been safe if Gail's crime had never come to life or if it had been another group his invention would have been used on. Then I think Katniss would have said screw it y'all fight it out I'm going home. And, she would have been quietly killed by the new government. They couldn't have someone alive that could rally the people to overthrow them. But by killing Prim and then talking about a new hunger games, they showed Katniss that she hadn't really killed the monster. And by killing Coin, she let the new government know that if it ever tried to replace Snow's government then she wouldn't hesitate to end them.
And then she went home.


message 373: by Grace (last edited Jul 09, 2013 10:09AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Grace I liked the ending even though some of my favorite characters die. The society in this book was horrible. I think the ending just showed that it was going to take awhile 'till things were peaceful for everyone. Not everything ends up with a happy ending. And I highly doubt any of you could write a series as epic as The Hunger Games.


message 374: by Rachel (new) - rated it 3 stars

Rachel I felt like Prim's death was unfortunately necessary. Katniss was always going to end up with Peeta because she shared a stronger bond with him even though her relationship with Gale was longer. I liked the other two books, but my problem with this one was how much time the characters spent mentally and emotionally incapacitated.....I understand that it illustrates that the games, war, death and life are hard but it dragged down the book so much I didn't think I was going to make it through. Then after all the breakdowns the characters always popped back up when needed. It ended up being a group of fragile warriors at the end instead of war hardened, which is ok, but absolutely no one conveyed even a facade of strength or confidence by the end. This may be more realistic but lets face it this is a fictional book and the characters should maintain some semblance of growth instead of continual degradation of spirit. I don't know, it was really slow. It's unfortunate Finnick died, he would have been a great friend for her outside a romantic interest, but that doesn't have anything to do with my opinion.


message 375: by Selina (new) - rated it 2 stars

Selina Chasity wrote: "i felt the ending was very rushed and i would have liked a little more substance, especially with the grief of losing her sister, i agree with PP that this was the least best book of the 3"

i agree that it was very rushed, but it was by far the WORST book of all of them.


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Selina wrote: "Chasity wrote: "i felt the ending was very rushed and i would have liked a little more substance, especially with the grief of losing her sister, i agree with PP that this was the least best book o..."
By far.


message 377: by Addee (new) - rated it 5 stars

Addee Loved the ending! Best ending ever! Peeta got what he always wanted, that's all I care about. Although my favourite part was when Peeta was trying to kill Katniss. Freakin Fantastic!!!


message 378: by S.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

S.K. Munt Laura wrote: "David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Kat..."

I couldn't agree more. I devoured that series and the ending ruined it for me. I'll read books 1 and 2 over again but NEVER touch 3! I don't care what she's trying to say about war-as an author I will NEVER rip out a readers heart like that!
And after that, the depressing ass ending. Ugh. I hated it hated it hated it.


message 379: by S.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

S.K. Munt Here's the thing though-aren't they making 4 movies instead of 3? I hope it's to fix it. For the first time ever, I would be grateful if they changed the story a lot.


Jasmine Mockingjay did not seem to have that seamless thread the other books, especially one, had. It was rather erratic, they were everywhere and nowhere, and what I especially didn't like about the ending, was Katniss & Peeta being terribly burnt. How many more injuries could they take? I got the impression at the end of them looking like distorted creatures with their limbs falling apart.

That was too much.


message 381: by S.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

S.K. Munt Jasmine wrote: "Mockingjay did not seem to have that seamless thread the other books, especially one, had. It was rather erratic, they were everywhere and nowhere, and what I especially didn't like about the endin..."

True-it was fragmented wasn't it? That was annoying me from the start


Kristina I didn't like the ending, either. Actually, I didn't like the whole book. The first two were a masterpiece and this one was just so meh.

Prim's death was necessary, but you know what else was necessary? That Prim actually appeared in the series more than a few times. Yes, Katniss loved her because she was her sister, but I as a reader could never know her as a character so her death felt like such a hurried plot device that I ended up not caring.

Then there's Finnick's death. Now, THAT was pointless. Killing for the sake of killing.

Gale, one of the main characters, got a one-sentence resolve. That's kinda insulting.

Katniss, strong Katniss I loved, turned into a zombie that could only mope around and show only flashes of strength occasionally. Then when the ending came and she talked about kids and how it was always Peeta who wanted them, not her...honestly, that felt like a slap.


message 383: by S.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

S.K. Munt Kristina wrote: "I didn't like the ending, either. Actually, I didn't like the whole book. The first two were a masterpiece and this one was just so meh.

Prim's death was necessary, but you know what else was nece..."


Completely agreed!


message 384: by Faith (new) - rated it 4 stars

Faith Darlene =) wrote: "I liked it a lot. I loved how Suzanne Collins wasn't afraid to make the ending dark and realistic no matter what audience was reading her books. In my opinion it ended exactly how it should have en..."

I agree
I just wish Katniss ended on a better note with Gale.


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Neesh (LINKIN PARK FTW) wrote: "im 12 and absolutely hated the ending, it was, lets put it politely, utter crap. first book was epic awesomeness, 2nd book was decent and 3rd book was CRAP! there was no emotion when prim died and ..."

I felt exactly the same way!


message 386: by Jasmine (last edited Jul 11, 2013 12:15PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Jasmine S.K. wrote: "True-it was fragmented wasn't it? That was annoying me from the start"

It was... Mockingjay sometimes felt like a lot of ideas, more than a thought together story line

I'm glad they didn't amputate Peeta's leg in the movie though.


message 387: by [deleted user] (new)

I must concur.
The world, the characters, the story...everything was there for her to play with, everything was there for her to create a story that would live on for years after she was gone. She had proved that you never judge a book by the hype. I loved The Hunger Games and I saw the movie three times, and I read the book just as many times. I was excited for the next book, though I did not like Catching Fire as much as I liked The Hunger Games, but I may appreciate it more in the second go around when I reread it for Booktube-A-Thon. Anyhow, I was baffled and torn by the ending of Catching Fire, and then came Mockingjay.
WTF.
Katniss had obviously been hanging out with Bella, and apparently war is the perfect time for you to close yourself in a shell and say 'Goodbye' to the Old Katniss who ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING!
Katniss was a YA character who did things, she did what was needed, said what was needed, and she was just BA. But, for the whole of Mockingjay she moped, and sighed, and saw the world through the eyes of some bystander and not the symbol-the fighter-that everyone needed and had been waiting for. And then there was Peeta. I felt like that was just really unessisary, and it sidetracked the plot. This is why I keep romance in my stories to a minimum, and I make sure it knows I'm the boss. Suzanne Collins apprently couldn't tame her own book.
And there was just a slowness about the book. Even the action scenes were a tad bit slow. I think that the book is very realistic, but Suzanne, couldn't you have described the war, the falling apart of a nation, and th death of many in a much more Katniss like way. Maybe this is how Collins saw the war as a child with her father gone, but if it is...
This book was supposed to hold up the trilogy, and make its way out of the building with shades on, and the building combusting, flames fly. Instead, it left the building tripping over its own feet. The ending of this book was the worst. I know that war can take a hefty toll on you, but I have read novels where even when the character is torn and broken, their inner monologue is extremely interesting to read about. I was up and down with this book, and I set it aside in the memory of the others. Not to mention the fact that it was so rushed. I'm sure she could have written maybe 20 or 30-or 100- more pages about the aftermath or even expounding upon the war. I would have liked to have seen more Katniss action, I would have wanted to see Katniss running down the streets, or on the top of buildings shooting flaming and bombed arrows at the Peacekeepers. I wouldn't have minded the compassionate side of Katniss, but I wish we would have been given that good old Mother Katniss to guide us through the flames of Rebellion.
Not Bella's very distant cousin.


Valerie This book clearly showed lack of imagination and logic of Collins, especially in the ending. I was really pissed off, because she spends so many pages developing characters and then kills them just to kill! Like Finnick, who became one of the major characters and really got readers' attention, but then is simply eliminated for NOTHING, as Katniss just thinks "Oh, he's killed" and then does not ever mention him again. Same goes for any other character, including Prim (it's not me who must build all those psychological lines to explain how her death could affect others, it's YOU, the author, who must bring me this feeling through writing!). And the end... WTF?! Both Katniss and Peeta are different people now, they do not have same feelings like before, love is not something that fills their minds and hearts now. But Collins knows, that according to readers' expectations, they're SUPPOSED to end up together, so she writes this crap about flowers, sunshine and hope, though on the contrary, the new after-war setting implies that the only reason Katniss and Peeta choose to be together is because of the only "B" choice is Haymitch, whom they obviously cannot marry and have kids with, so they decided it'd be more logical to be with each other instead. BULLSHIT! I regret spending my time reading such CRAP!


message 389: by Varia (new) - rated it 4 stars

Varia OK. So im not the only one that didnt love the ending...Thats good to know even though i cant remember why i didnt like it that much.?!


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Darlene =) wrote: "I liked it a lot. I loved how Suzanne Collins wasn't afraid to make the ending dark and realistic no matter what audience was reading her books. In my opinion it ended exactly how it should have en..."

I totally agree - though I really don't understand Katniss voting yes to a final Hungergame. But I guess that's because I wouldn't - It actually fits her caracter - she is driven by revenge.


message 391: by S.K. (new) - rated it 2 stars

S.K. Munt Lauren wrote: "it really was the worst ending ever. i tell all my friends-as much as they want to-DO NOT READ IT. completely kills all the love i have for the series. pretty much summed everything up in my rvw
ht..."



YUP!


message 392: by Mathew (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mathew I must be in the minority, but I loved everything about the ending. It was tragic, brutal and felt really numb. Remember that Katniss is the narrator and we're seeing events through her perspective; she'd suffered so much and her mental state was so frail that the ending was written in a way to reflect that. Or that's the impression I had, anyway.


message 393: by [deleted user] (new)

I hated it, but I think the author knew what she was doing. Life is hard.


message 394: by Chayz (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chayz i toataly agree i was very mad at the ending and suprised by who she killed off and anoiyed by the ending Because im TEAM GALE all the way every day


message 395: by Pink (new) - rated it 4 stars

Pink it's been a while since i read this book and whenever anyone brings it up i STILL go on a passionate rant about how terrible of an ending this was to what could have been a great trilogy. i honestly felt betrayed by how she decided to end this story.
not only did she take her brave, selfless main character and turn her into a whiny, self-centered coward, but she made us fall in love with characters only to kill them off needlessly with barely any mention or caring afterwards. and to kill prim?!! protecting her life was the whole reason katniss went in the first place!
the love triangle was played out very badly. pretty much just, 'oh, gale went away, so i guess i'm left with peeta.'
i understand being realistic. that some people die or don't grow after going through hardships - but the way she chose to go about it. it seemed really sloppy and rushed.

suzanne collins took my heart and then stabbed it repeatedly, threw it on the ground, and laughed in my face while grinding it under her shoe. i don't get how anyone could think this was a good book at all.


message 396: by Chayz (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chayz i agree


message 397: by Feliks (new)

Feliks Its not worse than the BEGINNING. Starting these asinine, insipid, series of books *at all*, is the real crime.


message 398: by [deleted user] (new)

Feliks wrote: "Its not worse than the BEGINNING. Starting these asinine, insipid, series of books *at all*, is the real crime."
Lol, yeah. I wish I'd stopped after the first book.


message 399: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Klein It seemed that each book in this The Hunger Games Trilogy was better than the last right up until Katniss awakens in that Capitol Hospital Bed. It was stupid to go out on this genuinely thrilling sequence of Katniss and Gale running through the streets, where I was expecting this nail biting, emotionally charged ending in which Snow and either Gale or Peeta (Preferably the latter.) dies. Putting Prim in at the end was unexpected and cool, but having the bombs kill Prim and disable Katniss like that was just plain unnecessary. How I think it should of ended is that Coin should of somehow died, Katniss should have been more of a celebrity, she marries Gale, Snow and Peeta are dead, and it shouldn't of taken a huge plot twist with Prim dying because the book felt driven up until that point.


message 400: by Erik (new)

Erik I think the ending was fantastic bar a couple of factors. I was thrilled when I realized this book didn't end in the typical "happy go lucky" fashion. As for everyone's comments about there was no emotion from Katniss once Prim died, are failing to see the author's attempt at what some one would actually feel in that situtation. Katniss, some one who has gone through so much emotional struggles, learns throughout the series to suppress the typical bawling and hysteria except in private situations. So when the worst thing in the world happens to her (Prim dying) she finally breaks. Not in the sense of hysteria (non-stop crying suggests that her soul is somewhat intact) but in the form of her "everything-ness" and the fire inside of her has been completely stripped away and there is nothing left to feel except her willingness to die and join her loved ones.
I believe that Prim was destined to die. I think everyone believes that some one close to her had to die but no one else really fits the part. Gale or Peeta dying would be a cheap way to solve the love triangle dilemma and no one would really appreciate that because it would feel like she was basically stuck with the other person. Her mother was not a huge part of the series and didn't have a very strong connection with Katniss (I know that sounds crazy but look at who is absolutely most important to Katniss and who, when in a pickle, goes to for support, and you will see that her mother is low on the list. Haymitch being the only other choice is somewhat of the comic relief and, though extemely important to Katniss, would not make a huge statement by dying (basically already dead through alcoholism and emotional emptiness).
Prim was the prime suspect, someone who would destroy Katniss emotionally by dying.
Now on to what I didn't enjoy so much....
I wasn't thrilled about Katniss's trial. I felt the public should have been made aware about Coin's plot. People were led to believe that Katniss was just bat sh*t crazy and that was that, it left a sour taste. I feel that it basically destroyed the hero image of the Mockingjay. I believe that Collins was using irony here as mental instability was a theme from book 1 (her mother, Finnick, Annie and Peeta)
Other than that I feel the series was outstanding and I enjoyed every book as well as the ending.


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