Mockingjay (The Hunger Games, #3) Mockingjay discussion


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Worst. F**king. Ending. Ever!

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message 301: by Gos (new) - rated it 5 stars

Gos It doesn't matter to me anymore as long as Katniss and Peeta is together now and have kids and the nonsense, nightmarish Hunger Games is over.


message 302: by Gos (new) - rated it 5 stars

Gos Dj wrote: "In my opinion the end was the best part of the book. I would hate the books if the serie ended with "everthing is fine, there are only nice people and that will continue for the rest of their lifes..."

I agree.


Dayani Didn't like the end either. First of all, after all Finnick have been trough, was it so hard to leave him enjoy his wife and his son? WAS IT? Just let him enjoy life for a bit, it was kida rude that he had a kid he never met...
And Gale, it's like at the end Katniss didn't need him anymore so he just disappear from the story, after all he did for her... It wasn't his fault what happened to Prim! But we'll never be able to know what happened to him, I guess.
After the war, after everything they did... was it worth it? Life did get better for everybody? Or just for Peeta and Katniss? For me the end came way too quick, the war ended and suddenly everything was wonderful. NO. And we didn't enjoy Peeta and Katniss as a couple, either. I felt like the pain was the only topic of the book, I barely realized about the good moments, because they dind't last not even a page of the book, actually I felt like I readed a recap of the truly end, and that's what bothers me the most.


Barbara This book was such a slow, long, difficult haul to the end with no uplifting moments. The violence of the last two books finally takes a toll on all the characters, who are falling apart. They make bad decisions with bad results. Gale develops Angry Young Man syndrome and decides to make a career out of committing war crimes. I wish the book had held out a little more hope too. It was sad to see Katmiss at the end wrestling to find any good in humanity and still fearing motherhood even after her children were born.


message 305: by SassyPsycho (last edited Jan 21, 2013 09:01PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

SassyPsycho totally agree with you!!!!!!!!! David you rock soooo what I felt when I was done reading


message 306: by Julia (new) - rated it 1 star

Julia This was the worst ending ever. Collins obviously got board and didn't want to write anymore.


Siobhan Lindsey wrote: "I think it was a nice break from cookie cutter endings where everyone ends up happy and the girl has to make a heart-breaking decision between her two beaus. Boo-hoo."

Agreed, I don't necessarily have to have happy endings, or sad endings, but endings that respect the rest of the books. And I think the ending of Mockingjay suited what the Hunger Games was even about. The only way to start something new was to get rid of everything that was rotten. The only way Katniss could begin to grow again was to be set free from everyone she'd known. The reason she stuck with Peeta was more or less because he knew everything she'd been through, and she knew everything he'd been through, and no one else was ever going to understand either of them.


message 308: by [deleted user] (new)

Oh i know the ending was so lame. People are like "it's realistic" and I'm like just because it's realistic doesn't mean it's good. Happiness or even closure is realistic too.


message 309: by Alissa (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alissa I really didn't like the ending either. I really was disappointed by it. It felt like the ending was really rushed. I really wished she ended up with Gale. I know that she wouldn't have been able to forgive him, but still. They had been friends forever and they just suddenly stopped talking to each other. I think Prim did have to die because then Peeta and Katniss could comfort each other. But I guess we all have to live with the fact that its the way the book is and we can't change it.


Eleanor Hated the ending


Audie Murphy Why didn't Peeta die?


ϟEvelynϟ The ending literally made me throw the book across the room because of how pissed off I was. I was like what the fuck katniss


message 313: by Ultra (new) - rated it 1 star

Ultra Graytiger At the end i just wanted to punch sc in the face really badly and i still do


message 314: by Natasha (new)

Natasha Has anyone ever thought that maybe the epilogue could lead to another series for Suzanne Collins. Perhaps it was vague for a reason. I also think that the ending was more realistic as people in Katniss's position would never have just been all cheery with a skip in their step after everything she went through. It goes against the romantic idea that everything should be perfection after an atrocity such as she went through. Although as most I do wish that there had been more about the other characters and that Finnick didn't die.


message 315: by [deleted user] (new)

You don't f***ing say.


message 316: by Natasha (new)

Natasha No need to be a f***ing b****. I can give my opinion here just the same as everyone else.


VIVI  GARCIA i hated the end so bad i was depressed for like a week


message 318: by [deleted user] (new)

Natasha wrote: "No need to be a f***ing b****. I can give my opinion here just the same as everyone else."

Are you talking to me natasha? Cuz I wasn't talking to you so don't fucking tell me not to bitch when I wasn't in the first place.


message 319: by Natasha (new)

Natasha Well it seemed like you were speaking to me since your comment was directly after mine and you made no comment about who it was aimed at. Seriously if you want to go all volcano then at least specify!


message 320: by [deleted user] (last edited Jan 24, 2013 10:36PM) (new)

Right back at ya, honey. Maybe think twice about who you're talking to and what you're saying before you go VOLCANO at someone who didn't even talk to you. I was aiming my comment at the whole 'Worst. F***ing. Ending. Ever!' thing, as that's what this whole thing is ABOUT.

And no, I won't specify, because I don't NEED to and especially not to you.


message 321: by Natasha (new)

Natasha Oh I thought twice before I said what I did to you because I believed it was aimed at me. And if you're not prepared to specify then expect people to blow up at you. That's all I can say.


message 322: by [deleted user] (last edited Jan 25, 2013 04:43AM) (new)

You're the one who accused me. You made the mistake. No one needs to specify anything.

Why are YOU the only one who has even 'blown up at me'? I don't think I'm the problem here. Back off.


message 323: by Natasha (new)

Natasha Well you have a seriously bad attitude in any event. And it was directly after my comment so anyone would assume its directed at them. And since you know that it was a misunderstanding why don't you shut up and back off yourself?


message 324: by [deleted user] (last edited Jan 25, 2013 05:14AM) (new)

I don't have a bad attitude I just stand up for myself when people I don't know accuse me of stuff I shouldn't be accused of.

So calm down honey just back off. Just leave me alone I've had enough of this end of.


message 325: by Natasha (new)

Natasha Seriously...don't call me honey and you needed to maybe back off from the beginning. Like I said it was unnecessary to take it any further.


message 326: by Julia (new) - rated it 1 star

Julia It's the worst ending ever because here you have 3 long books.. the third book rambles on and on about much of nothing... most people die off, and if that isn't enough, she ends the book in one paragraph. It's not how the characters ended up, but the fact she dedicated NOTHING to their story. THAT'S why it's the worst ending ever!!!


message 327: by [deleted user] (new)

I think this book had a better ending than any series I've ever read. It got the message that Suzanne Collins was trying to get across: we are desensitized to violence, open your eyes and see what happens.
It wasn't a happily ever after, it was unsettling, and that's the perfect way to end it. You cannot end a book like the Hunger Games, where you send 24 children to their death, with a simple happy ending. I think we should be grateful Katniss and Peeta lived to see the end of it. The ending was perfect.


message 328: by [deleted user] (new)

Natasha wrote: "Seriously...don't call me honey and you needed to maybe back off from the beginning. Like I said it was unnecessary to take it any further."

Says you...


message 329: by Dyana (new) - rated it 3 stars

Dyana wowza! dont hate on Collins! it couldnt b a "happy ever after" book or not this book would have sucked...more! but i do agree with u on some parts... like the fact that Gale at one point was REALLY obsessed with Katniss, only wanting her ALL to himself..and then leaving her after the war to go off to do a..what? tv show? with a new girl -.- SO katniss says O.- and Peeta just popping out of nowhere out her backyard and katniss accepting him...NO! though i gotta say..the ending was epic and cute~ "love me real or not real" ...."real" *fan girl squeal*
BUT WHY MUST THE HOT FINNICK ORDAIR DIIIIE?
I HATE GALE FOR "purposely" KILLING PRIM!!
FUDGER!


message 330: by Sasha (new) - rated it 2 stars

Sasha I did not like it.


message 331: by Bryn (new) - rated it 1 star

Bryn I honestly think that the ending was god awful, no not the ending, THE WHOLE BOOK!!! Everything happened in a sequence of events that just didn't lead up to eachother. It was just not a good book and it could've been a lot better


message 332: by Khuzafa (new) - rated it 1 star

Khuzafa Rauf Totally!
Same were my emotions at the end. Even I found very hard to finish the book! Lost interest at the very beginning.


message 333: by Holly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Holly Aleesha wrote: "Prim's death was not unnecessary... Katniss went into the Hunger Games because of Prim and Katniss chose to be a part of the war and in war there are consequences. Collins uses irony by Prim dying ..."

Agreed!


message 334: by Holly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Holly Dj wrote: "In my opinion the end was the best part of the book. I would hate the books if the serie ended with "everthing is fine, there are only nice people and that will continue for the rest of their lifes..."

Precisely.


message 335: by Holly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Holly Alysha wrote: "To be honest.... I loved the book in it's self i hated the way they did the move of it. I mean yeah the ending of the book was said but the final ending was sweet i loved it. So y'all can judge the..."

I agree. I think it was Collins' attempt to convey that 1- life isn't fair and 2 - no good deed goes unpunished.


message 336: by [deleted user] (new)

Chin123 wrote: "WTF! Prim dies!!!!!!!"

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


message 337: by [deleted user] (new)

Kristin wrote: "I'm so tired of people getting mad about the ending of this book. ITS A CIVIL WAR!! The ending isn't supposed to be fair or happy, its REAL! War and poverty leave orphans, widows, childless parents..."

Okay let me say this. I understand that it's a CIVIL WAR. I understand the point Collins was trying to make. I understand that things can't always have a happy ending. But I also understand that none of this means that it was a GOOD ending. It was crappy.


message 338: by [deleted user] (new)

emma wrote: "Natasha wrote: "Seriously...don't call me honey and you needed to maybe back off from the beginning. Like I said it was unnecessary to take it any further."

Says you..."

Totally agree with emma. I mean it's as easy as this,
"Was that comment directed at me?"
OH MY GOD THAT WAS EASY
before blowing up on someone.
maybe i shudnt get involved but that shit was ridiculous


message 339: by [deleted user] (last edited Jan 27, 2013 06:18PM) (new)

Thank you Baylor I agree with you but we've settled it it's over and lets get talking about this actual discussion again and I'm sorry for other peps who had to read all that shiz


message 340: by Bill (new) - rated it 2 stars

Bill Golden It seems like people who hated the ending break down into 3 groups:

1.) "WHY OH WHY did Finnick have to die?" If no one died in any of the books, it wouldn't be dramatic at all. May as well call it The Big-Ass Tickle Fight at that point.

Having a character that everyone cares about get killed adds emotional impact and a sense of drama to the story: "If he can die... why... ANYONE can. Even Peeta!!! Or Gale!!!"

2.) "Oh no, SHE died!!! It was so unnecessary!!!" (You all should know who I mean. It was spoiled once, I won't do it again... oh, and Snape kills Dumbledore.)

Actually... yes, her death WAS necessary. See, if it didn't happen, Katniss would have thrown in with Coin, who was at least as bad as Snow. The Capitol would have been replaced with District 13, bit nothing else would have changed. "Meet the new boss... same as the old boss."

3.) "Katniss should have been with Gale!!!" No... Gale wasn't there for some of the most dramatic parts of her life. He wasn't there to support her. He basically invented the technique that killed HER (Dumbledore, not Snape).

However... she shouldn't have ended up with Peeta, either. Looking at him will be like reliving all of the most horrifying moments of her life. He was present for pretty much each kill she was forced to make. PTSD on steroids, people. Romantic, eh?

I still say, though, that the end was much better than the rest of the book. Collins would have us believe that the defense of the Capitol, the most important city in Panem, was left in the hands of game designers... and pretty much nothing else. Suspension of disbelief? Ummm... hell, no,


message 341: by Megan (new) - rated it 2 stars

Megan Grooms I understand what Coillins was trying to say and I agree people have to die. I don't like that we are lost in katness's grief for a large chunk of the ending. We don't get to see how the fighting really ended and we don't get to see her 'trial' just a lot of moaning and her hiding from people. I like leading men and women in my books to grow and become stronger. This kind of ruined the idea that she was getting stronger as a person.


message 342: by Holly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Holly Bill wrote: "It seems like people who hated the ending break down into 3 groups:

1.) "WHY OH WHY did Finnick have to die?" If no one died in any of the books, it wouldn't be dramatic at all. May as well call i..."


I love your assessment! I still love the book in its entireity, but you bring new perspective; and I thought the same thing about game designers - although, you have to admit, those are some pretty effed up designers, right? LOL OH and the Dumbledore/Snape thing - HILARIOUS!


message 343: by Holly (new) - rated it 5 stars

Holly Megan wrote: "I understand what Coillins was trying to say and I agree people have to die. I don't like that we are lost in katness's grief for a large chunk of the ending. We don't get to see how the fighting r..."

In my interpretation, that was kind of the point though - the Capitol (Snow) was trying to break her and - mission accomplished; but she got her revenge in the end, however not entirely because BOTH of them (P&K) still have obvious flashbacks for what is deemed to be the rest of their lives.


message 344: by Suge (new) - rated it 5 stars

Suge Yes, Prim dying kind of pissed me off too but it was the push that Katniss needed to get her to do the things she ended up doing, like killing Coin. I actually liked the ending. I had to ruminate on it for awhile but I did like it. I was never a huge fan of Gale so when their relationship ended the way it did, I wasn't bothered with it. I kinda liked Peeta and Katniss and wanted them to end up together anyways.


message 345: by Kristin (last edited Jan 28, 2013 09:33PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kristin The ending of this book made me go take a shower to hide my sobbing from my roommates. It took me a while, but I realized that since this whole series was about war and being manipulated, a bittersweet ending is just what was needed. I'll admit that when the first sentence of chapter 25 asked, "Real or not real?" I was screaming, "Not real!" But at least, the terrible cycle of the Hunger Games was ended when Katniss killed Coin, though I really don't get why she voted yes earlier. Just because revenge sounded pretty good? Who knows.

And ticked ME off was that Katniss's and Peeta's children have black hair, blue eyes and blond hair, gray eyes or whatever. That's genetically impossible, isn't it? That's what really broke my immersion from the story.


message 346: by Leslie (new) - rated it 5 stars

Leslie David wrote: "Mightymoose wrote: "Because they were in the middle of the war zone being chased by Snow as well as Coin they didn't have time to stop and lament every death. They had to mourn on the run. But when..."

I kinda got that too. Thought the ending was a bit rushed. I would have been happy with just a little bit more detail at the end.


message 347: by Bill (new) - rated it 2 stars

Bill Golden Leslie wrote: "I kinda got that too. Thought the ending was a bit rushed. I would have been happy with just a little bit more detail at the end."

That's actually pretty easy to justify: view the trilogy as her catharsis, and breaking the final links between her old life of virtual slavery, and her new life as a free individual trying to work out her problems on paper.

The entirety of the series up to the epilogue in book 3 was "their" time. The Capitol, District 13... everything in Katniss' life to that point were things that were inflicted on her by external forces, like the Hunger Games, the Quarter Quell, and the revolution.

Once she assassinates Coin, however, her life is her own: no need to kill some poor shmuck from District X who's sole crime is having his/her name picked from a drum, for example. There's no real need for her to wrap things up, as she has basically finished the story she needs to tell.

At least, that's how I read it.


Carolyn Watson-Dubisch The problem with Mockingjay was that Katniss was borderline mad in most of it, which made it difficult for the reader to be in her head. She's in pain, and so are we. Anyway once it became a series about war I was aware that many of the characters would die. Prim dying was of course poetic irony for the series. As for who would be her companion/lover, it was obvious that Katniss, and the reader with her, was learning to love Peeta. Her feelings for Gale were already in place at the beginning of the book.


message 349: by Olivia (new) - rated it 5 stars

Olivia im glad the book ended the way it did except i just wish it had been better written. my only objection is that it was too rushed. otherwise i quite liked it


message 350: by [deleted user] (new)

David wrote: "Excuse my "French" in the title, but I can't describe IN WORDS the emotions I felt after concluding the Hunger Games series with Mocking Jay a couple seconds ago! Why did Gale and Katniss have to l..."
Me too. Me. Freaking. Too. Mockingjay was HORRIBLE. No, BEYOND horrible. >:-(


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